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Submitted by richierich 854d ago | news

Ex Darksiders 2 Developer Says Wii U Is A ‘$400 Xbox 360 Seven Years Late’

Ex Darksiders 2 Senior UI Designer, Xander Davis, has spoken to Not Enough Shaders about working with THQ on Darksiders 2, and what he thinks of Nintendo’s forthcoming console Wii U. Here’s Davis’ unedited thoughts about the system. (Wii U)

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richierich  +   854d ago
Personally I dont agree what do you guys think
Morrigan-Aensland  +   854d ago
"From what I’m hearing from people who have actually played a Wii U as recently as a month ago, the games pretty much suck and the tablet is pretty much a complete gimmick." - ex -dev

Well fans are quick to cite quotes from darksiders 2 devs to prove the Wii u is powerful so I guess the word from an ex-dev is good enough. I can't wait til the spin doctors who aren't devs to discredit what this matey said.
E3 and gamescom are telling about Nintendo and Wii u. There still aren't any info on the price and release date on Wii u.
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samtheseed  +   854d ago
Bitter ex *user interface* developer, that's, User Interface developer, who hated the Wii U from day one, admits he's never even been near one, calls Wii U a 360. I believe him. Yes. I believe him.
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victoryscreeeeeech  +   854d ago
Some say the Wii u good, others say its bad. I really do not know who his people are because from what I'm hearings the WII U is pretty good. In all honesty we really wont know until we got more confirmed info. Or you or I can actually play it.
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user5467007  +   854d ago
@victoryscreeeeeech

Have you noticed though that the ones that say it's good have games coming up on the Wii U. I mean to me that just makes me think they are only saying that so it dosen't hurt sales.

...think about it
nintendojunkie28  +   854d ago
Read the article.He's never even worked on the Wii U.Everything this blabbermouth said was pure speculation from a bitter ex UI designer.It's quite obvious that he hates the concept of the Wii U (He can't rap his little mind around it) and probably any concept or innovation ninty has to offer.He just gave his 2 cents,which once again I'll reiterate,means absolutely nothing because he's (by his own admission) never touched the damn thing.
ABizzel1  +   854d ago
And here you are again.

From the rumored specs. this dev is exactly right. The CPU and the GPU are very similar, albeit, more powerful versions of those in the Xbox 360.

My question is, is there anything wrong with that?

IMO no, and honestly it's what I expected out of Nintendo's next console. I'm excited for the potential of the Wii-U, but Nintendo has failed to prove anything to me, beside Zombe-U. I need to see more / better 3rd party support, a better launch line-up, more trailers / demos of 1st party games, and what the future holds for the Wii-U.
sikbeta  +   854d ago
Just WOW! what's going on here? lol
Brosy  +   854d ago
Who knows if this guy is right or wrong? F**king Nintendo wont release the specs.One side you have a guy that hasnt touched the Wii U being critical of it. On the other hand you have devs that have their hands on a Wii U talking it up. Which one do you believe? One is talking out of his ass, and the other has it in their best financial interest to not slam the Wii U.

Its past time for Nintendo to step up and start getting people excited about the Wii U. They havent released the specs for whatever reason. And Wii U software videos are almost non-existant. Give us some Wii U Mario and Zelda footage to get us excited already.
PoSTedUP  +   854d ago
i will only get the WiiU if they make a Super Mario Sunshine 2 for it, omg SO worth the $400 (seriousness, Not sarcasm)

OT: yes, the WiiU will probably be a $400 360.

just deliver the games Nintendo, no more shovel ware. lets bring this bad boy back to the golden era.
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gaffyh  +   854d ago
If it actually does cost anywhere near $400, EPIC FAIL from Nintendo. Sony will be able to offer a PS Vita and PS3 bundle for less than that soon, and Xbox 360 is already less than half that price.
showtimefolks  +   853d ago
How many different developers have said the same thing that wii u is as powerful as current consoles but no be wants to hear it. Look I didnt expect Nintendo to make a powerful system I am just happy it's a HD console and I get to lay Zelda in HD.

And they have a regular controller which is just like a xbox360 controller.

Ont thing I don't get why are the 2 analog sticks on top and buttons on bottom right on the controller? Wouldn't that be hard to control the camera and try to press buttons?

What if both MS and Sony drop the price on day of wii u launch a full $100? Families would much rather get s3 or xbox360 which has more games than a $400 machine. Nintendo fanboys will buy it since they buy everything Nintendo just like ms and Sony fanboys.

Nintendo have yet to announce a price or a release date and we abut to hit September what are they waiting for?
PshycoNinja  +   853d ago
This is pretty accurate actually.

I played the Wii-U at E3. I was totally underwhelmed. Most people there were actually. As a matter of fact Batman: AC and AC3 looked WORSE on Wii-U than on the PS3 or 360. The controller was uncomfortable after about 20 minutes. All in all most people were disappointed with it. Just because devs are paid to say nice things about Wii-U compared to people who have worked on it and have gone on record saying its not that impressive.

Who has more to lose? I trust the person who has nothing to lose than the developer who has everything to lose. That and I actually played the darn thing, so...
quantae06  +   853d ago
Nintendo needs to just say F it & release those specs so people can STFU & stop speculating already. This developer has never even worked on a Wii U console, & it just doesn't like the idea of the Wii U. But he doesn't know crap without any hands on experience. He sounds like a freaking fanboy.
Awesome_Gamer  +   853d ago
He is just a bitter dev that got sacked for being shit.

P.S: I'm a Playstation fan, but this guy is just a liar
Shadonic  +   854d ago
idk i mean if the specs are similar and the wii u is doing something the 360 and ps3 can alread do today with say smartglass on your phone then he may have some truth to what hes saying but should he say such things like this NOPE! caue hes going to gethimself in trouble. It all depends on wat nitendo does and hw innovative they are with the wiiu.
R_A_LEE20  +   854d ago
What are you talking about? Wii U came before Smartglass not the other way round.
Lvl_up_gamer  +   854d ago
@ r_a_lee20

Announcement wise yes, but we don't know how long each company has been working on their product.

Wii u uses a tablet as part of their gaming where tablets are now old news as well as the tech in the console is said to be on par as a 360 which is 8+ year old tech so not much complex designing there.

However smart glass is just a program. How hard or long does it take to write some code?

Both the wii u and smart glass aren't exactly treading new ground complexity wise. So it's hard to say what was in developement longer.

All we can go by is announcement to customers.
DarkHeroZX  +   854d ago
Did you see the Vit/ps3 LBP2 gamescom play through? It was like Sony wiped out a smelly 18 incher and shoved the whole mess up Nintendo's bum. If the wii U cost that much the ps3/vita combo will make the Wii U irrelevant day 1. All ps3 buyers have to do is grab a vita. While many people who don't own sited may get both. I mean for $100 more you get a controller you can play games on anywhere. Have to leave the Wii U tablet at home....
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dc7070  +   854d ago
How can you disagree with something that I'm going to assume you haven't even played hands on.

On the other hand this is from a developer who most likely has worked on it and has had some hands on with the Wii U. Ultimately we will see when it comes out and the specs are revealed.
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Puddlejumper75  +   854d ago
"From what I’m hearing from people who have actually played a Wii U as recently as a month ago, the games pretty much suck and the tablet is pretty much a complete gimmick." - ex -dev

He admits he never played it. "From what I am hearing" being a big clue. Had he actually touched it would be "From my experience"

Sad part is people wont care that he has never touched it because he is saying what the haters want to hear.
Flip it around and this article would be empty if it said Wii u made last gen console look bad
DarkHeroZX  +   854d ago
Well if other Devs or people ahe knows are actually making that statement.......
Incipio  +   853d ago
"From what I’m hearing from people who have actually played a Wii U as recently as a month ago"

What you're supposed to read into is: "played a Wii U as recently as a month ago", not "actually played a Wii U". You can't ignore the other part of the quote.

He's saying that he's played a Wii U, but the implication is not recently, yet others have played games further along in development and more recently than him.

A developer wouldn't trash something unless he's had it in his hands and played it at some point. This is a poor quote and is taken out of context.
Oh_Yeah  +   854d ago
didnt crytek say the wii u is good enough for them to work with? thats a team that focuses on graphical power houses. their word counts more than a lot of other devs.

either way, what i think is... 3rd party support will be good for the wii u in the beginning, but once ps4 and 720 get rolling, that support will slowly trickle off.
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Incipio  +   853d ago
Crytek dumbed down their sequel to the PC-only Crysis/Crysis Warhead games so it would work on consoles.

When they say "good enough", I'm sure they mean it would end up a scrunched-down version of the full glory of the original Crysis/Crysis Warhead.
Oh_Yeah  +   853d ago
@Incipio your right, but the crysis games looked great to me on the current consoles. i like nice graphics and all but by no means am i a graphics whore. i started out on the nes/snes and had a blast as a kid, so for me to say oh i cant play this game because its not pretty enough would make me some type of spoiled, hypocritical gamer. which ill never be, ultimately its gameplay > graphics. if the graphics are twice as good as the current consoles on the wii u, i wont have a problem playing it at all. anyway most of us wont be getting one for 3rd party games. its about the exclusives, which nintendo always has a quantity of. so im fine with "good enough graphics" as long as great gameplay is there.
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Amphion  +   854d ago
I don t see why this is making the news, I thought we already knew that.
Blasphemy  +   853d ago
My Friend once told me during the PS2 era that Nintendo is always a generation behind, I guess he was right.
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quantae06  +   853d ago
You realize Gamecube had better graphics then the PS2 right?
mike1up  +   853d ago
Did your friend happen to mention that the PS2 was the weakest console of that era?
Spydiggity  +   853d ago
personally, i don't see how somebody who isn't a developer (you) should be expressing an opinion about hardware he's probably never (or hardly) been exposed to.
ConstipatedGorilla  +   853d ago
Everyone is quick to hate on this thing without having played it, including this ex-dev.
Jadedz  +   854d ago
People can say whatever they want about the Wii U (whether good or bad)
In the end - It's the consumers who decide whether a product will succeed, or not.
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Godmars290  +   854d ago
Except in the case of a game console, the Wii being the perfect example, hardware and software are two halves of the same whole. And while Wii sold well, at the beginning at least, most games for it didn't.

You may indeed call the Wii a success, but the arguable fact remains that Nintendo abandoned it almost before the WiiU was announced. 3rd party devs well before then.

The WiiU might sell solely on Nintendo's name, but it does not speak well of the system that one of its premiere titles will be years old at its release.
cleft5  +   854d ago
Ultimately what makes a console a success or failure is how many units they sell of said console. That is not up for debate and whether you love or hate the Wii it sold an incredible amount of units. Whether you love or hate the Kinect it sold an incredible amount of units.

Success is not up for debate, it either is or isn't. In this case, the Wii is a successful console. Whether the WiiU will be is yet to be seen. And considering this guy hasn't even worked on the console, his opinion isn't even slightly valid.
linkratos  +   854d ago
I agree that it got abandoned but remember, it did sell both the most hardware AND total software.
wishingW3L  +   853d ago
The Wii has the highest software sales because of Wii-sport that came bundled with the console and Mario... But most 3rd party games flopped. =/
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KMCROC54  +   854d ago
Yes so true you are ,but bad press be it by word of mouth or thur social networks will still cause consumer confusion & doubt.
LOL_WUT  +   854d ago
Sounds legit to me and it's no anonymous source either. I wonder why Nintendo still refuse to say anything about the Wii U's hardware.

@Jadedz Glad you didn't try to spin this too bad i can't speak for the rest of your friends...
ChickeyCantor  +   854d ago
"I can only speculate, but as a UI Designer applying experienced critical thinking to game mechanics UI and the Wii U tablet, none of it makes sense to me to truly add value to gamers, even if you try."

Yeah cause screw games that could benefit from a "pointer" like mouse interface. Screw everything about it.

I swear, if EA doesn't release a C&C pack including the original, redalert 2 etc. Then their bloody idiots.

Also this guy just sounds like he is out of his zone. He just doesn't know what to do with it other than making touchable buttons. DS was awesome because of its touchscreen. I don't see how it won't enhance the experience.
Infernostew  +   854d ago
EA already did release a C&C pack with all the games and expansions from Command & Conquer to the Generals expansion called C&C: The First Decade. The only problem is it only runs on Windows XP.
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ChickeyCantor  +   854d ago
Im talking about a Wii-u release.
Infernostew  +   854d ago
That makes more sense. But it's probably not gonna happen.
TenkoTAiLS  +   854d ago
Only runs on XP you say? I better uninstall it from my computer running Windows 7 64bit then...could have sworn I was playing Tiberium Sun via First Decade just yesterday >.<
Infernostew  +   854d ago
How about the other games? I've read a lot of things online about all the games not running. I still have all my older C&C discs but never tried them but I was thinking of getting the first decade but I heard of numerous problems and most of the games not working on newer machines.
TenkoTAiLS  +   854d ago
There's actually a fan made patch that restores lost music and movies that were missing from the original release, mainly affecting the original C&C and Red Alert. It also includes tweaks that let all the games run on Vista and 7. I can play all of them on my 64bit Windows 7. I'm pretty sure the Vista/7 compatability was in the last official patch for the game too that came out before the fan one.

The fan patch is really good tho, works a charm and adds music/movies and some multiplayer maps that were officially released but missing from the First Decade release. Has all the fixes from the 3 official patches too. Well worth a google :)
BitbyDeath  +   854d ago
EA are idiots though, just look at what they did to C&C.

Hmm let's make a game where you no longer have bases! Genius EA, just friggen genius SMH -_-
ChunkyLover53  +   854d ago
He hasn't even worked on the Wii U!
“I’ve not worked on any Wii U version of anything (luckily). But, y’know, I very early on raised my major concern about this. Anybody buying any Wii U game that’s a port is probably buying it almost exclusively and specifically for how it can play differently through the Wii U’s alleged innovated UI."

This guy sounds bitter, and who says fanboys cant exist in the game world outside of forums? The way the guy is ranting, it sounds like Nintendo pissed in his Cheerio's.
beerkeg  +   854d ago
'I’ve not worked on any Wii U version of anything'

Well, that's a credible opinion.

EDIT:This guy is bitter because he couldn't do a decent job at what he was employed to do.
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nintendojunkie28  +   854d ago
Exactly,people READ the article.This guy has virtually no frame of reference,which renders his opinion as useless as that of michael pachter's.
cleft5  +   854d ago
Gee I wonder why he is an "Ex" Darksiders 2 developer. These guys really need to learn to keep their mouth shout.
HammadTheBeast  +   854d ago
There goes his future employment options in gaming.
TemplarDante  +   854d ago
He said $400 Wii U? ... interesting..
TruthbeTold  +   854d ago
They're insane if they release it at that price. Too expensive in today's economy for a number of gamers to buy it that is positive, and there is still as of yet, no 'MUST HAVE' (in the minds of millions of gamers) game on the console that can't be had elsewhere. They release it at $400, they'll be making the 3DS mistake all over again.
BitbyDeath  +   854d ago
Maybe releasing it priced high so they can drop it 6 months later is a marketing strategy?

Seems to have worked for the 3DS, its selling like crazy now.
DarkHeroZX  +   854d ago
Its was selling like crazy but they didn't start making money off the 3DS unless recently with the XL. They cut the production cost but increased the retail price to start making money again.
DigitalHorror81  +   853d ago
A new Nintendo console offering at $400 that performs graphically AS WELL AS the Xbox 360 and PS3 over 6 years ago is a desperately sad new low for Nintendo. I remember supporting them from the original Game Boy even deep into N64 back when I was in High School, but the very thought of FINALLY selling a HD console is a day late and a dollar short. They are WAY behind the competition. The tablet is just another gimmick.
sway_z  +   854d ago
and there you have it....proof there is a serious lack of professionalism in the gaming industry...I seriously cannot believe this guy said this....

Even if it's true....so what? Nintendo are doing their own thing...Power does not equate to quality.

The PS2 was underpowered compared to Xbox but look how that turned out...the whole console bashing thing is over played and needs to stop!

*Maybe he's applying for a PR role with MS or Sony ....Lol jus Kiddin :)
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DaPrintz  +   854d ago
How come every time someone questions the power of WiiU, somebody talks about the ps2 being underpowered compared to Xbox or gamecube? You shouldn't pretend that there was a large gap between the 3. It was marginal at best. The ps2 played DVDs as well which pushed it to dominate. The ps2 is the greatest system of all time for a reason and it's not because it was weak compared to the others. This is not a Wii/ps3 comparison.
sway_z  +   854d ago
Dude GTFU ....and learn to read things within context...I won't even bother to clarify your dumb *ss
FragMnTagM  +   854d ago
The PS2 is the best selling console of all time certainly, but greatest system of all time is an opinion.

I am sure that many people would agree the PS2 was frigging awesome, but they are still opinions.

Stop forcing your view on others.

The XBOX played DVD's also, you just needed the infrared sensor plugin that came with a remote.

You are the one that is making it a comparison dumb dumb.
cgoodno  +   854d ago
One guy being unprofessional does not equate to the whole industry being unprofessional.

You want to know what I think is unprofessional? Requiring everyone to say only good things about a product or nothing because you are either putting out software on it and you don't want the device to be seen in a poor light or you might release one in the future and you don't want a history of having said bad things about it.

People go off like this because they are just like everyone else. But, more importantly, the people we want to hear the truth from can never do it because they are prevented by NDAs and job agreements that would get their butt's canned in a second.
Puddlejumper75  +   854d ago
I think you missed the part where he has no experience with the Wii U at all. I think most people here that don't agree with him are doing so not because he is being negative but because he is doing so with nothing to base it off of.
cgoodno  +   854d ago
I didn't miss anything. I was replying to your hyperbolic statement of "proof there is a serious lack of professionalism in the gaming industry".

As I said, one guy being unprofessional does not equate to the whole industry being unprofessional or there being a lack of professionalism in the industry.

My follow up statement actually points out that most devs are professional because they never speak their own minds at all. How often have we heard of Joe Schmo coming out and spilling his guts about how he really feels about a game he made? Rarely. Because they are professionals who understand doing as such will get them fired.
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sway_z  +   854d ago
Sony say stuff about Nintendo, Nintendo say stuff about MS, MS say stuff too....that's 3 major players in an 'Industry' where it's been well document that they all dish dirt when they want to....

Sometimes in an unprofessional way...same with EA, Activision and analysts like Pachter says dumb unprofessional stuff...Peter Molyneux bad mouthed MS when he left.....so whilst I agree not all are unprofessional...many are.

We do like to pick other peoples words apart...don't we cgoodno? ....challenging behavior is rife on this site....peeps love to pick holes in & object to anything & everything.

That developer kinda messed up....Its like bad mouthing your old job during an interview for a new job....nobody wants to hire people like that.....pretty dumb
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cgoodno  +   854d ago
***We do like to pick other peoples words apart...don't we cgoodno? ....challenging behavior is rife on this site....peeps love to pick holes in & object to anything & everything. ***

You can debate topics without being unprofessional. Please tell me where I have acted unprofessional in my responses.

If you disagree with my opinion, that's cool. But don't go trying to make someone look one way or another just because you disagree. That's unprofessional.
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SlavisH2  +   854d ago
this is a dev saying this not a fanboy. DEAL WITH IT!
PygmelionHunter  +   854d ago
Lol, he was fired recently and complained about Vigil too, not to mention, he hasn't even touched a single Wii U in his life, that alone makes his opinion worthless.
cgoodno  +   854d ago
Scratch what I said. I was wrong.

Yay me!
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Death_Grin48  +   854d ago
It's hard to feel sorry for the guy after reading this. Everything he said was just pure speculation; he has no experience with the Wii U whatsoever, giving no credibility to his argument.

His lack of knowledge for the Wii U; taking the word from some people rather than experiencing the demos himself; the lack of professionalism in general (especially in those last several sentences)... I can see why he was fired.
Qrphe  +   854d ago
I just hope the $400 dollar part is wrong.
richierich  +   854d ago
Well I just put my second €20 deposit for the Wii U in Gamestop today (I live in Europe) and on my receipt it says that the Wii U is €350 in total. I dont know if this is the confirmed price, but €350 is pretty close to $400 if you do a currency conversion
Shok  +   854d ago
How could you hate a console so much that you've never even USED or PLAYED or even BEEN AROUND? Lol this guy sounds like the typical N4G user.
WeskerChildReborned  +   854d ago
Haha agreed, seriously, don't know what the dudes problem is though.
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wiiulee  +   854d ago
what's an xbox360? but a microsoft learning lesson from nintendo and the wii....nintendo has it right..that's why there are so much hatred and nonsense.....wiiu will put microsoft and sony on the backburner and alot of people with investments can't take that.
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Firebird360  +   854d ago
The guy comes off as a bitter dick, hating on the wiiu just for the sake of it. I'm interested in wiiu personally, very interested.
DigitalHorror81  +   853d ago
Other than the HD Zelda, I'm not excited. The Wii U should have been out 7 years ago, competing with PS3 and 360. They're a day late and a dollar short.
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DarthJay  +   854d ago
He was asked a question and he answered it. If that's his opinion, that is his opinion. Is he supposed to answer it to appease an audience?
Theyellowflash30  +   853d ago
No but as a professional and a developer he should at least experience something before he talks about how lame it is baseing it off of what "other people" say.
DarthJay  +   853d ago
To appease who? If that's what he believes, that's what he believes. He needs no qualifiers. If you want to discount his opinion, so be it. It sounds like people would have done so even if he had used it.

I value his opinion as a developer because developers thinking like him and wanting to stay away have just as valuable an opinion as developers that want to get involved. I want to hear both sides of the story.

If that's what he believes and the info he has gathered from his friends in the industry, so be it. It's his OPINION. Is your world over because of it?
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ReDDeaDDan  +   854d ago
Amen brother
FarCryLover182  +   854d ago
Well, we will know for sure come November and when we can compare the wiiu to the next PS and XBX.
x5exotic  +   854d ago
Oh look a Darksiders 2 dev talking about being outdated.

DS is an xbox game 7 gens late.
palaeomerus  +   853d ago
It looked a lot better than Twisted Metal did.
x5exotic  +   853d ago
Better than twisted metal 1? Maybe
WeskerChildReborned  +   854d ago
So this dude says it's bad but other devs say it's good. Who do we believe? It's like some people find it great and others find it bad.
lizard81288  +   853d ago
Well, since he said he hasn't been around one or even worked with it, I'm not going to take his word.

You can take mine though. The wiiu will be better than the PS789 and the Xbox 129600. It is amazing. Granted, I haven't worked with the Wiiu, developed for it, or even been to a con to even see it, but I just know.
thezeldadoth  +   854d ago
sounds butthurt
christheredhead  +   854d ago
I could care less what the WiiU is labeled as. I'm buying one on launch day.
nerdkiller  +   854d ago
sounds like third partys are going to skip nintendo next gen to but i guess it doesn't matter ppl buy nintendo for nintendo games which im sorry to say haven't been very good except metroid corruption.smg.mariokart not even zelda has been good i will say this nintendo makes strong lasting consoles almost unbreakable more i can say for 360 and ps3 which i replaced
MonopolyRSV  +   853d ago
No reason to be interested in Wii U unless they have a good handful of exclusive games. Gonna take more than ZombiiU and a gimmicky tablet controller to make me buy one.
synce  +   853d ago
Replace $400 with $250 and you have a true statement.
DigitalHorror81  +   853d ago
Source?
DivineAssault  +   853d ago
all i can do is laugh.. Just have to wait and see but i tell u one thing, if wii u is over $300, i wont be owning one.. I refuse to pay that much for something i already have.. The damn tablet only lasts 3-5 hrs so ill be charging the damn thing A LOT which means ill be tethered.. But if the wii u runs current gen games btr than the competition & is between $250-300, i dont mind picking one up.. Oh & gotta buy a 50-100 external HDD too so it adds up after a while
iliimaster  +   853d ago
nintendo has never done hd on a console so ill be happy playing zelda mario donkykong etc the list is too much to type in HD and love every second
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