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Microsoft ads imply Xbox is losing to PS4 ... but at least they're still fighting

The first Rocky film introduced us to a fighter who no one thought could succeed. It's the ultimate underdog story, and it's interesting how many people forget that Rocky lost in the first film. - Ben Kuchera, Polygon

Catoplepas3549d ago

The difference being that you actually rooted for Rocky Balboa.......

ethomaz3549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

Well Kuchera is rooting for MS :D

MightyNoX3549d ago

The article also seems to resign that the Xbox is losing, which is a HUGE shock for me considering Kuchera wrote it.

He's been blasting about how "Dear sony, you're number one but Xbox is coming for you" and now this? *whiplash*

darthv723549d ago

So would this be like Rocky 3 then? Rocky lost to Clubber Lang but then came back at the end to win.

Is that what this implies? If so then who is going to be the Apollo Creed to help motivate MS to get that eye of the tiger?

ethomaz3549d ago

@MightyNoX

That is why I laugh reading the article... he get something bad and make it looks good. It is like... hey guys MS is losing but it is all good.

The article is all positive.

MightyNoX3549d ago

@ethomaz: So basically he's being all IGN "Don't look deeply into it."

Oh, now I get it. :P

denawayne3549d ago

Losing to a competitor and losing financially are two very different things. Once there are some must have exclusives for Xbox One, the Xbox brand will be fine.

Mr Pumblechook3549d ago

This is why Polygon's relationship with Microsoft needs to be investigated:

He takes bad MS news and tries to sell to readers that MS is the underdog and you should root for them. BBC journalists are banned from showing personal bias.

Pogmathoin3549d ago

This does nothing other than remind me that the Rocky movies were crap....

MysticStrummer3549d ago

@denawayne - "Losing to a competitor and losing financially are two very different things."

http://n4g.com/news/1563679...

SilentNegotiator3549d ago

"This is why Polygon's relationship with Microsoft needs to be investigated"

No need. It's a fact that MS funded Polygon's creation.

UltimateMaster3549d ago

Adds have virtually no effect on their fanbase.
If people were to purchase an Xbox One over a PS4, they would have done so with the arrival of Titanfall and that publicity blitz.

Bzone243549d ago

@MysticStrummer

Where in the article you linked does it say they are losing financially?

ThanatosDMC3548d ago

What surprises me more is i thought we got rid of Polygon from N4G since they were spouting so much rubbish but now they're back on n4g. Wonder what happened.

bandit9053548d ago

@Darthv72
the cloud that's whos gonna be the eye of the tiger lol

ZombieKiller3548d ago (Edited 3548d ago )

XBOX dONE.

Let's hope not though, Sony needs some good competition. We as the gamers, keep gaining the benefit by these companies going neck in neck with each other. Plus, I like my 360 if not for it being a MS branded item.....greedy bastards.

@Superman below me: Dude rooting for the xbox won't help, it's buying it that would, and no thank you. I refuse to support a company that won't support my gaming habits the way I want. It's not the system that sucks, it's the manufacturer.

morganfell3548d ago

Kuchera is unable to grasp that movies are not reality. Now in his desperation he has taken to hoping for a fairy tale ending (from his point of view. I think of it as a horror flick). I missed the first part of the Rocky story, Rocky the Thug where he extorts money from people and robs them of their rights.

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iamnsuperman3549d ago

Why not root for the Xbox. It isn't a bad system.

darthv723549d ago

The disagrees feel differently but yeah...it's not a bad system. Just the management of it is questionable.

fr0sty3549d ago

It wouldn't be a bad system if it weren't for the company running it. Their insistence of putting things behind a paywall that have no business being there (though they have improved in that respect, still a long way to go), their insistence on charging the same or more for weaker hardware, their lack of dedicated first party support and heavily reliance on third party (which is biting them in the ass now, since many of their exclusives are now coming to other platforms), their attempts to shove DRM down our throats which they are still trying to pull off by making people think that a game needs internet connectivity for "cloud powah!"... I could go on and on about all their fumbles, but you get the point.

I really think the Xbox brand would function better under a new company. It has the name recognition needed to succeed. The only reason it isn't is Microsoft. They won't let it.

AngelicIceDiamond3549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

No, no its not.

Sunset Overdrive, Halo MCC Ori And The Blind Forest and possibly even Forza Horizon 2 for me this year.

Quantum Break, Fable Legends, Halo 5 next year. Hopefully Crack Down 3 and my all time most anticipated game Phantom Dust next year (again hopefully).

Yep its a terrible console.

Disagree and cry all you want I'll be having fun and that's all that matters.

I own the console so all the negativity should concern the ones you know, the ones who bought it.

donthate3549d ago

frost:

I find it interesting that you don't have the same comment for your favorite console, PS4. I mean, after the recent denying EA Access debacle, and marketing shenanigans at Sony, I would think Sony's management isn't in the best interest for the players.

I think the article is right, in the history of gaming there has never been another console manufacturer that has been so willing to react so fast to any changes the public wants (even if that is comes from mis-information). I think this is a real testament to management in Xbox division.

700p3549d ago

Xbox is a great console. Constant updates and plenty of games/exclusives coming during the holidays. :)

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Abash3549d ago

Yeah, Microsoft has no one to blame but themselves for their sales situation with the Xbox One. I do have to say though that the PS4 is a hard product to compete with, even if the Xbox One launched at $400

bleedsoe9mm3549d ago

anyone rooting for sony to have a monopoly is rooting against there own interest

johndoe112113549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

No one is rooting for sony to have a monopoly, they're just rooting for microsoft to go to hell. If you don't get that by now then you haven't been listening to or understanding the gaming community for the past year and a half.

bleedsoe9mm3549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

@johndoe11211 yes allot of people on n4g are rooting for a sony monopoly , its myopic not to remember how sony got to the place they are today policy put in place to combat bad policies from 7 years ago . ms has gone back on every bad policy that people didn't like , and people that should know better still are holding a grudge .

@MysticStrummer until devs start making multiplats for wiiu or steam boxes gain more ground in the living room , sony would have the market all to themselves .

MysticStrummer3549d ago

If MS left the console business entirely Sony still wouldn't have a monopoly.

Major_Glitch3549d ago

@bleed go ahead and quote one person that actually said they want a Sony monopoly. Go ahead I'll wait.
OT: The PS4 is beating the xbone and it's beating it hard. Fact. End of story. And you know who's to blame for the xbone's horrible start this gen? MS. Fact. End of story. You ms fanboys just need to face facts. The people have spoken with their wallets, and they've overwhelming chosen the PS4.

iceman063549d ago

I could counter that with anyone rooting for MS to succeed while doing what they were doing is rooting against their own interests. That's why voices raised up. That's why changes were made. That's why MS is far less arrogant today than a year ago. This ad proves it. When was the last time that MS admitted to losing a fight? In the end, there wouldn't be a Sony monopoly. There are MANY companies chomping at the bit to get into the console space. But, most people don't see room for them to grow now. If MS left, not saying that they should or would, the others would step right in and compete. That's basically how MS got here in the first place. They stepped in when Sega dropped out.

BX813549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

If ms left the industry we would be fu$ked into a corner. Ask your self where psn would be right now if xbl didn't set a standard. All they would have to do is be a little better than nintendo's online setup, and let's just say it ain't the best. The same goes if Sony wasn't here, ms wouldn't be where it's at. Like it or not your favorite company is where it's at because of competition. Take that away and let the regressing commence.
@ iceman
Now that the changes are made move along. No point in beating a dead horse. I'm not saying walk blindly believing everything or forget but damn give credit to those who are making it right.

gootimes3548d ago (Edited 3548d ago )

^
Every company that entered the console business brought something great to the table and helped move the industry forward, even if they didn't last. If Micro leaves there will be another great company to enter and do their own thing to help shape the industry...

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Aceman183549d ago

Man this guy Ben has some serious mommy/daddy issues lol. All he ever does us whine about Sony this Sony that, and how MS is for the people blah, blah, blah lol.

He's truly a sad individual lol.

headblackman3549d ago

im rooting for microsoft and the xbox one and im sure there are many do the same.

im a proud xbox one owner. wouldn't change it for nothing!

Jonny5isalive3548d ago (Edited 3548d ago )

Anyone who thought the ps4 would not dominate even before last year was cluless. After the reveal of the systems It was beyond obvious that my prediction would come true.

MS just has no chance in the world. Xbox will be remembered for helping to bring more PC games to consoles and console games to PC. Only the xbox will be gone and it will be PC, PS and nintendo. Unless MS wants to continue to try and support a console that will make them no money, and has no hopes to having a successful followup console. ALl ground they gained with 360, completely lost long before the XB1 launched. Xbox got soft, xbox got dropped... off a cliff onto spikes.

edit-- ok so I exaggerated a bit, but I had a feeling PS would rise to the top this gen. NIntendo had no chance to win again with an underpowered console. Their hopes to get more 3rd party titles with go out the window for good once support for ps3/360 dries up. Xbox well, Ive felt for a long time they could have kept bungie and let them work on destiny, im guessing tehy wanted them to make halo. Kinnect was a good seller for a year or 2 but sucked after taht and never had any good games. Xbox bosses of all people couldnt even figure out to make a kinnect game with a gun that you hide behind cover in your living room. THen they talk about getting more exclusives after letting theri best developer make their new game on their competitors more powerful console with year DLC. But their biggest mistake was not using their money to make a console that sony COULDT financially build on a spec level. These APUs are CHEAP AS DIRT and in 2 years these console will be alot cheaper to produce. They could have gotten more sales if they invested in a more powerful console.

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k2d3548d ago

Polygon - fortelling the Return of The king, or singing Xb's swan song?

DOOMZ3548d ago

I'm rooting for XBOX! I hope all game companies do well... In the end, us gamers WIN!!!

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Tony-A3549d ago

From the article:

"It's interesting that Microsoft is willing to more or less state that it's in the No. 2 spot, but that it's going to keep fighting."

But it's not No. 2. It's actually No. 3.

I'm not saying it's going to end this generation in last place, but I don't like how Nintendo is ignored every generation during sales talk (even though it's mostly their fault). They frickin won last generation! Obviously speaking sales talk here and not quantity of great games ", although there were some.

With a sudden strong showing from Nintendo lately, Microsoft needs to get over the first hill before climbing the mountain. It's pretty clear that there is a very large gap growing between the PS4 and the other two; the other two are actually closer in weekly, monthly and cumulative sales.

I feel like no matter how well Nintendo does, it's always PS vs Xbox.

UnHoly_One3549d ago

These companies make more money off the games they sell for their consoles than they do off selling the actual consoles.

Nintendo may have sold the most consoles, but they didn't sell jack squat for games compared to Sony and MS.

That is why they aren't really mentioned. Well that, and the fact that they are kind of off in their own little world with a slightly different product.

They really aren't competing directly with Sony and MS.

Tedakin3549d ago

Yeah weird right? That's how it was last gen. Wii mopped the floor with 360 and Ps3, yet even then it's like it didn't matter. It was always Sony vs MS. I think cause the power of the Wii systems is always so much less and they don't get the third party support so they're put into their own category.

hkgamer3549d ago

its because of the graphical power of the consoles. its not capable of running the so called games that we like. we as mean people who go on these sites.

last generation was main about cod and also many other big franchises that were multiplat. nintendo didnt have any of these.

@unholy_one
why do you care about which company making more money?

anyway, wii sold the most consoles. made the most money per hardware sold, sold the most peripherals and surprise surprise sold the most retail games.

XiMasterChief3548d ago

The only reason the Wii sold that much is because it was something new in at that time. Also it's Nintendo.

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Kavorklestein3548d ago (Edited 3548d ago )

I have to say, I'm MORE impressed that MS could supposedly "lose billions" with each console that comes out, and STILL not stop trying to bring us entertainment.
If any company doesn't give it their best, then they are the wrong company to support. If you have not other option then yeah, okay... go the way of Sega. They threw in the towel when it was time.

Microsoft? They can keep fighting for a while, the doom and gloom is just part of insecure losers doing what they do best, like they can only feel good if they are putting something/someone else down. I personally am just gonna stay optimistic, and if this continues for another two years, however... Then maybe it will be time to ask question about how successful vs. unsuccessful the Xbox one is.

People are to anxious to have their fanboy wet-dreams come true and look even more foolish than if they said nothing in the first place.

Let's just be patient, and we may all be surprised at what happens. For better OR worse.

danny8183549d ago

Lol thats just ridiculous. Its a motivational speech. Most likely they are inpluing when you are losing a match in multiplayer or in a game. Plus they made more money than playstation lol

UnHoly_One3549d ago

I'm glad somebody else got that.

The speech is literally just speaking to the player about playing games, and has nothing to do with the console itself or any imaginary "winning" or "losing" battle in the "console war".

Stupid article.

danny8183549d ago

Flamebait article and all the ponys are makinh a campfire and dancing around it

ThanatosDMC3548d ago

I thought it was the other way around. It's trying to paint Xbone as the underdog and they one that would dominate in the end. You guys might want to reread it.

It's actually hilarious that y'all are interpreting it as something else. The author is a huge xbox fanboy too. Gotta remove your thick fanboy glasses because that's friendly fire.

UnHoly_One3548d ago

I'm not talking about the stupid article, I'm talking about the ad he wrote the article about.

YOU need to go back and watch that.

Anyone that thinks that ad has anything to do with PS4 and the console wars is outside their mind.

rainslacker3549d ago

I've seen these commercials several times, and not until I read this article had I considered that it was MS saying that they were behind Sony, but they could make a comeback in the end.

Seemed to me to be more about making people feel that they could do anything on the Xbox One, because the speech is targeted at the buyers. Saying, no matter how far the chips are down(in any game you may be playing), you can overcome it...which is the way most games are presented anyhow...overcoming insurmountable odds.

I highly doubt MS would try and play the underdog position this early in the console's life span. It shows a position of weakness, which they never do. They always stress the positive side of their products, no matter how much they may suck, or how poorly they're doing(not saying X1 sucks BTW, but in relation to many of their other products).

danny8183549d ago

Im sure they are happy sales are better than the 360 in closing in on the first year. I just think they feel abit overwhelmed with sony using that as a strong arm on their marketing

Bonkerz3549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

The sad thing is, Sony has you guys under them so badly that you cannot see that the X1 has become 100% better than the PS4 all around. Better games, actual AAA exclusives, better network, better apps.. It is crazy, you guy are worse than Apple fanboys. You guys are getting a half baked racing game, and a childs game this year lol.

@Scatpants.. So Titanfall, Sunset Overdrive, and the best racing game ever dont beat the worst infamous made, and a childrens game? Driveclub doesnt even count since it doesnt become a full game until 2015, its launching 80% undone.

-Foxtrot3549d ago

The only crazy person here is you

Cryptcuzz3549d ago

That is for damn sure.

Well, people don't call him Bonkerz, for nothing if he wasn't crazy :D

ThanatosDMC3548d ago

Foxtrot, you made me smile and laugh after pos work day. Thank you.

OT: Lol. Nvm. Still funny.

Scatpants3549d ago

Really because the last game I bought for it was Titanfall months ago and there are only 2 exclusives coming up that I want for it.

CervantesPR3549d ago

Ps4 has more retail games and AAA games than xbox one do the math

xDHAV0K24x3549d ago

no denying that. just not for me

stripe8143549d ago

saddest thing is that you yourself cant seem to look the obvious reasons why more 360 users switch jump dive and buy the ps4...

oh i see the bitterness...leave britney alone!!!!! wahaha

SoapShoes3549d ago

Best racing game ever? Forza? lol Forza 5 was the worst in the series so far. How's that N'Ring treating you? Oh wait it's not...

Volkama3549d ago

The track was added in a free update a few months ago (e3 time).

Forza 5 is actually a really good game, if you don't hold forza 4 against it. And considering just about everything in it was built from scratch, it's a little unfair to hold forza 4 against it.

SKnight133549d ago

Wasn't that a free track that was added at E3. Pretty sure it was.

Whirlwind_Fanfare_083549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

@Bonkerz

Wow! you've gone bonkers today!
'better games'
you mean 3rd party games always runs better on PS4.
'actual AAA exclusives'
ryse coming to PC along with DR3, plants vs zombies.
'you guys are getting a half-baked racing game'
hardcopy and PS+edition of driveclub is coming out, and can upgrade to full version of it. Try harder!

DigitalRaptor3549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

"Better games"

Nope…. That is 100% opinion, but the majority opinion is that… PS4 has better rated games: http://n4g.com/news/1510473...
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"actual AAA exclusives"

PS4 has more actual exclusives, even if you disregard the indies, games also on PC, and even games that are also on PS3.

Xbone exclusive lineup so far is practically ALL third-party games that are more or less ALL coming to PC or PS4. Many of the games you call "actual exclusives" are also on PC from the very start.
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"better network"

Proof or GTFO. There's literally nothing you can say to prove this, and obviously you're still pretending that PSN is still in 2008 stages.
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"better apps"

It has more apps. And that doesn't matter to any gamer.
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"You guys are getting a half baked racing game, and a childs game this year lol. "

We are getting an arcade racer that is about as complete as ANY arcade racer that has been out in the past decade. Is sad that you resort to downplaying a game that shares the Project Gotham DNA, but if and when that particular Xbox exclusive makes an appearance, you won't be hating on something like that. You're so transparent.

LittleBigPlanet has been a series enjoyed by adults and kids and until the console war got so aggressive that an amazing quality game is actually considered a bad thing because certain bitter individuals consider it a "child's game".

LBP won plenty of GOTY awards in 2008, and that is voted by ADULTS.

No gamer complains about Nintendo's lineup having an AWESOME game like Super Mario 3D World. You can call that a "child's game" if you want… but that was also a GOTY contender last year too. I'm truly sorry that the diversity of a platform offends you.

PlayStation gamers seem to appreciate that which you cannot.
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And yet… those 2 games are not even the end of PS4's lineup for the rest of this year, but you're just another desperate, crazy Xbox fanboy pretending that Sony don't have just as many PS4 "exclusives" as Microsoft has for their Xbone.

KirbysDump3549d ago

stick lbp and uncharted. suckage

Spotie3549d ago

The sad thing is: Microsoft has guys like you so under them you actually believe this nonsense you spew.

rainslacker3549d ago

The worst infamous ever made is still a damn good game. Seems that both companies are about on par with the AAA exclusives, better games is purely subjective, as there is only really one game that interests me on the X1(Quantum Break), whereas Xbox fans may be in the reverse situation, better network...they both perform about the same from what I can tell, better apps....don't care, I play games, not apps.

I also would never consider Forza to be the best racing game ever. Maybe in comparison to Need for Speed(only other racing game available on next gen), but best ever? Really? Even Gran Turismo isn't the best racer ever made, and I absolutely love that game and would choose it over the last Forza any day.

The sad thing is that you will keep holding on to a position that you have because you want it to be true. In some cases, some things you mention may be true for you. In the meantime, the PS4 is selling like crazy, and is the fastest selling console of all time. No matter what you may believe, there are many people who disagree with you, unless you believe that everyone that's purchased a PS4 to date is a rabid fan boy under Sony's magical spell.

Nine_Thousaaandd3548d ago

@Bonkerz

" Better games, actual AAA exclusives, better network, better apps.. It is crazy, you guy are worse than Apple fanboys. You guys are getting a half baked racing game, and a childs game this year lol."

Better games, last I checked...PS4 games ranked higher than X1...and selling better on PS4 as well. AAA exclusives...Sony has more, and not losing their AAA games to PC development. Network is quite even now...I've played on both many times, not much of difference now. Better apps, I'll give that to X1...it's their main focus over gaming...PS4 is gaming first, could care less about apps and ads plastered all over my home screen on PS4.

And a half baked racing game...Forza 5 owns that category.
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Next-gen racing game that comes with less than its predecessor and doesn’t feature things like weather too.

And a child's game this year...drum roll please...introducing?
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Ages 10...GTFO!

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Scatpants3549d ago

It's their own fault for designing a weak system. If their system architects really thought that hitting 1080p wasn't a big deal they should be fired because it has cost Microsoft hundreds of millions in sales.

creatchee3549d ago

The initial price point of $499 brought on by mandatory Kinect, along with DRM confusion is what has cost them sales more than anything.

If Microsoft launched Xbox One as it is available now, 399 without Kinect and 499 with it, no DRM or paywall, etc, the race in North America would have been a massacre in Microsoft's favor. Worldwide obviously would have been a different story, but it would have been a repeat of last gen. Microsoft shot themselves in the foot not with the 180's themselves, but with the fact that they needed to do 180's in the first place. Now, they're lagging behind because a lot of early next-gen adopters went to a PS4 instead of an Xbox One. They're doing better now, but the problems that they had prelaunch, even though they are fixed, continue to haunt them.

TFJWM3549d ago

Umm the only time Xbox ever massacred PS in sales was after the 360 was released till the PS3 was released

MRMagoo1233549d ago

Yes it was a massacre in the US because they had the console out a year before and then Sony still sold more world wide with a year and a half deficit to combat. If that doesn't show you how strong the playstation brand is you are blind.

TLDR MS can't beat Sony no matter what they do.

creatchee3549d ago

In the U.S./N.A. (which I explicitly stated I was talking about) the numbers sold are:

Xbox 360: 47.28 million
PS3: 28.57 million

Is that not a massacre? Also, I simply do not care about worldwide numbers for this argument. I was stating that things would be a lot different on their home turf if they launched with the better price, options, and policies.

rainslacker3549d ago (Edited 3549d ago )

Massacre may be pushing it unless the power of the system was on par with the PS4. It would have certainly performed better though.

You have to remember, those first few months of sales are predominately informed gamers who are going to choose the system they feel is best for them.

Outside of power and price, the games situation in the first few months was pretty much equal, with MS having a slight edge due to Forza.

You also assume that a console that sells well one gen will do equally as well the next gen. That isn't always the case.

In the end, it's all just a speculation debate. The cards have been dealt, and we can only see what happens from here on out.

Brettman20083549d ago

PS1 and PS2 dominated NA. PS4 is just restoring the natural order in NA.

TFJWM3548d ago

"In the U.S./N.A. (which I explicitly stated I was talking about) the numbers sold are:

Xbox 360: 47.28 million
PS3: 28.57 million "

Adjust for VGchartz over tracking Xbox and under tracking PS and take away that every RROD is included in that

So no it wasn't, xbox won with by nice margin but it was no massacre

Do you also consider the PS4 to be massacring the XBox1 Worldwide now as well?

creatchee3546d ago

@TFJWM

"Adjust for VGchartz over tracking Xbox and under tracking PS and take away that every RROD is included in that"

No. You don't take away any RROD. A bought console is a bought console. If you wreck a car and buy a new one, does that mean that you never bought the first one? Also, as far as I know, replacement consoles from the manufacturer don't count either, so that wouldn't matter. Also, if you could find a more concise total for NA, I'm all ears.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7223h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle10h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18817h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio7h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning772h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga9h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21838h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga7h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan3h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus232h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv722h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10112h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos12h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-1h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac11h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10110h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic8h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead2h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 19h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 17h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 14h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 7h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 9h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 5h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 17h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 3h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 2h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 19h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 18h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 15h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 18h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 17h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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