Why Xbox One's 720p problem is the biggest deal-breaker yet

VideoGamer: "For a long time I've accepted Microsoft's rhetoric on the power of Xbox One. I've gone along with the talk about balance; I've acknowledged the promise of Cloud technology; and I've empathised with its frustration over the ongoing community backlash."

[allformats]

It is. Soon we'll be in 2014, 720 gaming in such a modern world, on a games console that will be around for the better part of ten years, and a console that's sold at $100 higher than it's more powerful, 1080p capable competitor, is simply unacceptable, and you'd be blind to think otherwise.

[slimeybrainboy]

I still think that this is being blown out of proportion. Devs only found out the final specs this year. Engines arent really optimised for next gen consoles yet.

I think this highlights that the PS4 is more powerful, but I dont think this means that the XB1 wont be able to 1080p 60fps in future multiplats. Didnt alot of devs say they were shocked by the PS4 GDDR5 announcement in Feb? And dev kits were only finalised a couple of months ago.

As developers get a hang of the XB1 hardware they'll be able to get alot more out of it. Look at the PS3 launch games compared to GTAV.

[The Meerkat]

But then PS4 devs will improve too.

They might not add more pixels or fps but the PS4 devs could add better lighting or AA.

There is no way anybody can put a positive spin on this news without looking like they are employed by MS

[theBAWSE]

@slimeybrain

well doesn't that goes for ps4 as well? Sony changed the specs so devs are not used to its architecture either and yet.... it's pushing DOUBLE the pixels of xbone

this will not get better as devs get used to both consoles the gap will widen as the ps4 is that more powerful

[shivvy24]

I see why it wasn't called the xbox720
/s
@slimey, I kinda do agree with you but I doubt theres gonna be much of a difference on resolution once optimised

[AsimLeonheart]

Both consoles are starting at an equal footing right now. There is no doubt that Xbone will improve over the years but so will the PS4. It is just like two brothers ageing together. When the 5 year old reaches 10, the formerly 10 year old is already 15. The little one will never be able to catch up.

[vigilante_man]

Now we know why they didn't name the new console XBox 720!!

In 2-3 years the tools will be there to get the XB1 as close to where the PS4 is now as possible. By that time the PS4 tools will be even more advanced.

The PS4 has the raw power. It will always be ahead in terms of graphics. Lets get used to this right away and move on.

Now we know, we can focus on the most important thing - the GAMES!

[scofios]

Dudes calm down you can soon buy 1080p dlc on live .
Or 1080p if you are gold :-)

[4Sh0w]

"But then PS4 devs will improve too."

So, but why are we pretending 2 lower res games mean that X1 cant do 1080p its whole lfetime, besides the fact that there are already 1080p games on the console now?

[Crazay]

I find the # of disagrees comical.

You're absolutely right. PS3 was notoriously difficult to develop for but developers figured it out with time and the system benefited greatly for it. The same will happen here, for both systems even.

[tigertom53]

I love a lot of things about Microsoft but I agree with what this person wrote Sony has sealed my purchase first this generation. maybe down the road I will look at Microsoft with price drops and new sku for what exclusives they might have....

[tigertom53]

Xbox should of been easier to develop for being X86 processor and the architecture similar to xbox 360 im not sure how much more they can improve this generation, it seems like a slightly better xbox 360 with a little bit more cpu power and ram...

[bcrazy18]

I agree with you. I've stayed this before, the PS4 is easier to code for and the devs just recently got the finalized dev kits.

@ The Meerkat and theBAWSE.... Yes it does mean the PS4 will ass well but the Xbox One had more to gain than the PS4 so the improvement will be more with the Xbox One over time.

[Stick89]

The comparison of Xbox One to PS3 when it comes to programming isn't very good. The Xbox One's architecture is for the most part identical to the Xbox 360's (everything is just bigger and better of course) yet it's specs when compared to the PS4 are lacking and there is no denying that, there is no secret sauce here for developers to figure out. The PS3 on the other hand launched with a totally unknown architecture and was arguably on par or better than the 360 spec wise (except for not unifying the RAM). Once developers figured out how to code for the PS3 they were able to create games that matched what 360 could do, and in terms of exclusives look better than anything 360 had.

TLDR:
Xbox One architecture isn't new, no secret formula.

PS3 had a totally unique architecture and therefore had room for growth as developers learned it.

Apples to oranges.

[NewMonday]

@bcrazy18

actually the upside is even bigger on the PS4 because future games will tap into GPU compute and developers will let themselves loos with the huge RAM bandwidth.

[boneso82]

Current PS3 owners are going to buy a PS4, if and when they upgrade. A significant percentage of 360 owners are going to buy a PS4, if and when they upgrade. A percentage of 360 owners are going to buy an Xbone, if and when they upgrade. That percentage of 360 owners moving to Playstation next gen are what is going to make the difference in sales, because nobody already in the Sony camp are going to convert to a more expensive, less powerful and most importantly, unfamiliar and unliked piece of hardware from a company they are not familiar with who have dug themselves a very very very deep hole. It's only a matter of time before they are buried alive in it.

[gaffyh]

It's actually quite a well thought out article, and you can tell the writer is genuinely frustrated at the fact that MS has blatantly lied to everyone up to this point when it comes to the power of the system when compared to the PS4.

Major Nelson said he was looking forward to the truth coming out. I bet he regrets saying that now...

[UltimateMaster]

@People saying Xbox One will get better with time.

No doubt it will.

The PS4's GPU is still superior, meaning they can push graphics even more so than the Xbox One can.

It's not some foreign architecture that's hard to develop for, maybe it is in the case of the eSRAM but that's it.
3rd party developers made almost identical games last gen because they did not want to bother to learn the Cell, but first party made good use of it.

Now, not only will first part devs make good use of it, but so will 3rd party and it's already showing. Some sites say you can only increase the performance of Gb/s by 40 with the eSRAM, with the 68Gb/s of DDR3, it makes around 105/110 GB/s as opposed to the easier GDDR5's 176Gb/s.
Other sites say it can reach 200Gb/s in total, but it's still not that significant.

First one, 110 VS 176, X1=62% of the Ps4
Second one "max optimization in some future", PS4=88% of the X1
(This comes from somewhataccurate.com, just the name of the website makes me feel like, meh.)
That's if they even use the eSRAM, 68 VS 176, X1=38% of the PS4.

And that's before we count in the GPU PS4 50% > X1.

So yeah, if everything were already optimized maybe it would be a bigger debate, maybe not, but developers are hating the eSRAM because it's too complicated. So, your call.

[theAMC1981]

Both consoles will improve, but how much, nobody knows. I just don't think people should rule out Xbox One so fast. We can see that the PS4 is more powerful (on paper), but so was the PS3. It depends on what they bring to the platform. How can a system (360) have a 50% fail rate, but still stay on top for 32 months? I'm sure Xbox will be worth it as well as PS4 will be.

I can't wait to see the next God of War.

If nobody can put a positive spin on this news about the resolution without sounding like they are employed by Microsoft themselves then the person who thinks this is a reason to not get a Xbox One is employed by Sony. There is no way that the Xbox One will suck (really people... suck?) as people say who have never played it, but seem to follow what other people say.

A game system hasn't really sucked for years
The CD-i sucked. Virtual Boy sucked.

The RROD was a horrible situation, but at least people got to play theirs for a few years, but the PS3 had updates that killed off the system completely (an update!) a lot of times if you didn't update, you couldn't experience some better features until you did. That is scary. I'm glad I never had a single problem with updates though. Let's just hope things are better this time.

We finally got some PS4 games at my job and I instantly got hyped. We got a Xbox One demo too, but can't set it up which is killing me. People need to be experiencing these consoles and we need to set up the damn kiosk.

[gaffyh]

@theAMC - "We can see that the PS4 is more powerful (on paper), but so was the PS3."

Difference is, PS3 was A LOT more difficult to code for than the Xbox 360. Which is why nobody other than Sony devs were able to fully take advantage of the system. This time round, PS4 is as easy, and looks like it is in fact easier to code for than the Xbone. I said it months ago, this would most likely mean better looking third party games on PS4 vs Xbone, and looks like I and a lot of others, were right.

"It depends on what they bring to the platform. How can a system (360) have a 50% fail rate, but still stay on top for 32 months?"

Simple, price. Xbox 360 has been $100 or more cheaper than the cheapest PS3 for the entire generation. The other thing to make note of is that this is in America, which MS has focused on this gen and most likely will next gen. Worldwide, PS3 has been outselling Xbox 360 for a while now. The final thing to remember is that some of those 360 sales are from consoles that have failed or been banned, so people buying multiples. I have 1 failed one out of warranty myself and have 1 working one.

If your system gets bricked, it is actually fixable, as it is a software issue. RROD and YLOD are hardware issues, much more difficult to fix. My PS3 has never gotten bricked by an update.

[SilentNegotiator]

"Engines arent really optimised for next gen consoles yet"

Didn't stop developers on Ps4.

[UltimateMaster]

All consoles will do their best to push the graphics.

[LocutusEstBorg]

10 year old PCs with a fraction of the power of the Xbox One ran games at 1080p.

[Ps4Console]

Yeah they did find out this year & the same time as each other but the Ps4 can run at 1080p but the Xbox one can't explain .

[AsimLeonheart]

I wonder where are all those Xbone fans that said that the developers will program for the lowest common denominator and the PS4's potential will be wasted anyway so it does not matters if the PS4 is a "little" more powerful. They were so horribly wrong.
Now we see that the PS4 is much more powerful and its potential is being utilized.

BF4 PS4 = 1600x900 = 1,440,000 pixels
BF4 Xbone = 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels

PS4 is pushing 56.25% more pixels than Xbone!

CoD Ghosts PS4 = 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
CoD Ghosts Xbone = 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels

PS4 is pushing 125% more pixels than Xbone!

The better textures, lighting, anti-aliasing and frame rate to boot are a completely another matter. The fact is that the PS4 is simply much more powerful than the Xbone and once the Santa Monica and Naughty Dog games are revealed, we will truly understand the difference in power.

[Elit3Nick]

you have to realize that resolution is only a certain part of the game, just because BF4 PS4 version has 56.25% more pixels, does not mean that it's more powerful by the same amount, assuming that both were using the same everything(textures, lighting etc.) it would mean that it's about 20% more powerful. But the fact here is that the BF4 X1 version IS using better textures, I mean not marginally better, but multiple comparisons confirm this, the difference is a bit smaller, not to mention that they are still working out the ESRAM means that gap might close even more. Not saying that both will have identical performance at their max, but the difference between the two is much smaller than most people here like to think

[McScroggz]

@Elit3Nick The Xbox One isn't using better textures, Infinity Ward just simply increased the sharpness. Well, that's what it looks like to me at least. Based off of everything I've read about game design the game with the lower resolution isn't going to have better textures - that's backwards.

The Xbox One's version has it's sharpness and contrast tuned higher with weaker overall visual effects. There isn't a huge difference for people who aren't sensitive to these things (For the most part I consider myself among them), but this idea that the lower resolution versions of games will have better textures, etc. is just a farce.

[AnteCash]

You dont need to w8 for ND or SM ,Gameinformer already sed that Order 1886 is the best looking game they have ever seen.

[TristanPR77]

Agree with you. What is shocking here is the extreme denial that the xbox community have, they even believe that an inferior version of a game will look better than the superior version.

[cell989]

@Elit3Nick extreme denial, I get what youre trying to say, but you seem to emphasize your point way overboard, like youre trying real hard to let people know the xbone isnt that bad, when in reality I think it is.

I bet the PS4 version has (for the mist part) been done, and it was the xbone version Infinity Ward had to really optimize to get it running at 60FPS. HAd they spent more time optimizing the PS4 version we would have better lightning, effects, and AA as well. That extra horsepower was just used to bump the resolution.

I picture developer nightmares with the xbone SDKs

[Sayai jin]

This will be a deal breaker for some of the core. While having the best graphics appeals to some of us most of the base which makes up the casual which is the majority of the market are not really going to compare graphic specs side by side. Casuals on the other hand are going to go with brand name and/or price and errr availability. The PS4 has the upper-hand on price. MS is missing an opportunity to have a matching or cheaper price point.

All in all what does this really mean....if you want to play games that are only on the PS4 then they'll get a PS4 and if you want to play games that are only on the XB1 then they'll get a XB1.

[boing1]

Word of mouth is enough for MS to be worried. And this is just the beginning.

[5eriously]

@Sayai jin

THUS if you want the best of both worlds then play the best games on the PC and the best exclusives on PS4. Than that makes the eXB0Ne an eXN0Ne and totally redundant in my books. I will look at the eXB0Ne in future purely for the Kinect2 experience unless the Kinect2 also becomes available for the PC.

[MynextGen]

Denial and your Ps4 wont be around that long remember we have games you don't we have dedicates servers you dont we have money you don't

Aww no Hdd support and lots of other stuff not coming at your launch lmao

[LoveOfTheGame]

I'm more of an Xbox guy, but this goes to fans of both sides:

Don't use the word "we" to describe the community you are a part of. It just comes off weird as you are most likely not a part of that company.

[InTheLab]

There's dedicated servers for PS3 games.

Internal HDD is still a thing.

MS has money but not to burn on a failed launch or yet another failure like the first Xbox, RRoD, zune and eventually surface.

You also only have Forza and DR3 for launch. Titanfall is multiplat and coming in March. The other games you have look and perform better on another console.

[TristanPR77]

PS4 have HDD replacement and xbone don't.
PS3 have dedicated servers
Microsoft have money and yet they have never won a console generation while Sony have won 2 console generations and have the best console of history, the PS2.

Don't force it, accept it and die in peace.

[Funnymonkey013]

Have fun with ur weaker gimmicks cable box while we enjoy games the way they r made to look best on PS4:)

[SonyKong64]

wow.. please don't breed = /

[IcicleTrepan]

It's not a 'cancel pre-order' type of deal breaker for me as I have both preordered. What it is for me is a 'looks like I'm buying all multiplats for PS4.'

[LackTrue4K]

Some people want to take full advantage of there set ups!! 1080p large tv/surround sound, nothing wrong wanting a system/console that can take full advantage of there sick setups.

[tigertom53]

still Microsoft will have 2x better audio processor, but will suck in the graphics

[Shnooze]

@tigertom53

Audio.. Processor? Don't you mean sound card?

[IRON883]

I don't really understand why is it only 720p? I mean come on we're on the door step of next gen and Xbox drops this brown bag of flaming poop on us??? Not cool

[ambientFLIER]

Microsidt didn't develop COD ghosts...so why the hell are you blaming them? BF4 looks better and has WAY more going on, so obviously the console can handle better graphics. Forza is 1080p/60fps bative...

[tigertom53]

Microsoft F**k up the GPU....

[ziggurcat]

@ ambient:

IW not being able to get CoD @1080p native on xbone means one of two things:

1. the hardware isn't strong enough (which is why you could blame MS).

2. the people at IW are awful programmers, and should probably just stop making games altogether if they can't get native 1080p @ 60fps (and CoD isn't necessarily known for taxing the system, graphically) on a console that is at least 10x more powerful than current gen tech.

xbone supporters are probably now seeing what PS3 owners had to deal with early on in this generation's life cycle - bad ports from lazy devs. we're even starting to see "bu-bu-but xbone is more difficult to program for" excuses (which i've always thought as being lazy talk from devs, even on PS3) coming from the xbox camp, and esram isn't exactly new tech, either...

[cell989]

@ambientFLIER: you really got to stop using Forza as an example of supreme graphics, the game runs on a lot of old gen tech, Forza is more of a xbox360 port for xbone, which is why its able to achieve 1080P/60FPS a lot of smoke and mirrors on that game. Ryse is still the best visually impressive game xbone has

[mistertwoturbo]

People should have a look at this

http://i.imgur.com/qWs3tuQ....

[T2]

Show me exactly where any developers stated xbone is hard to develop for and is not simply lower in power .

^wow quite a graphic , thats crazy

[Darrius Cole]

It took me a few minutes to realize that the PS4 screen is the black space. i thought it was background wallpaper.

[IRON883]

Yup that's a great point buddy good job

[SL1M DADDY]

It's a shame to think that the Xbox team has been resting on their laurels like this. It all feels like the last launch in reverse. I wonder if MS will be able to pull themselves up from this much like Sony did the last gen.

[devwan]

The xbox team haven't been resting on laurels - they're been working hard to create the system and ecosystem they were tasked with - al all-in-one living room box. Not a games console. People inside the xbox team apparently made plenty of comments and suggestions regarding the direction, policies and focus of the platform - but it's the suits in charge and they prioritised TV and TV content over gaming (apparently investing more money in this than gaming). They took gaming and gamers for granted - that was a given for them, they already had them in the bag. They wanted 10x the audience and it looks like they'll have to settle for only a fraction of what they thought they had and no more.

[Warrick]

WHO CARES TELL ME WHEN YOU NOTICE A DIFFERENCE IN GRAPHICS! plus cloud is awsome fixes glitches also better lighting and better graphics on game. xbox spent 700million PS4 spent 380 xbox. Cloud is next generation gaming and Microsoft knows it enough said.

[T2]

Even if it wasnt a big deal now , it will be . My new prediction is xbox two aka xbox 1080p drops in 4 years

[strickers]

That is a wall of babble.

[Funnymonkey013]

Dude u must be blind the cloud does not make games look better all it does is make better al. And slightly better connection on games that's it. So how about u start reading what things r and do before writing something that isn't true really people like u r laughable fanboys.

[Pope_Kaz_Hirai_II]

hahahahaha

[SonyKong64]

can't wait for puberty can you? it'll come, literally = )

[IRON883]

It is a big deal the Xbox one is suppose to be the next gen gaming system but they don't want to move up

[LAYLOW]

Channeling my inner IVERSON . " What are talking about COD ? COD ? we are talking about COD ! COD....? not a REAL 1st party Game that we all love and wait for with infinite anticipation ,no not that ,we are talking about COD ! COD ? We are talking about COD ....CALL OF DUTY ,CALL OF DUTY PEOPLE ,CALL OF DUTY!! Seriously ? We are talking about COD ? Not a actual game that we here about in development for years and we cant wait to get our hands on for a years before its launch,no not that ,weare talking about CALL OF DUTY? Man who gives a fuq if that shitty game 480,720,1080 .....its COD !! Call of duty people ........call of duty!! Blahahahahah!!

[devwan]

We are talking about only one of a very few multiplat games we can compare directly on both platforms. Laugh all you like - it'll continue as more and more multiplats arrive to both systems.

[Foxhound922]

Wait....what game is it? Call of what?

OT: Still this is no excuse, and the fact that it is call of duty kind of goes against what you are saying. Cod is in no way shape or form a next gen game. It's not a hard game to run in terms of processing. If current generation games can run it, then there should be no reason why the x1 can't. If they can't get a simple copy and paste, simple game to run on par with the ps4, then what can they?

[jmc8888]

Actually so far we're talking about multiple games, and expect it to be HUNDREDS of games by the end of the generation.

It does matter, because at 1080p, you can better see the camping snipers in the distance. Or some guy trying to hide somewhere.

It definitely means something.

Every bit the ESRAM leaves on the table, increases the ~50-400 percent power difference the PS4 holds over the Xbox One.

If you had two cars racing, one had 300 HP, one had 500 HP, which one would win? Easily the 500 HP. But what if besides this raw advantage the 300 HP car also had a wonky fuel line, which might only give you only 1/3 flow on fuel? The 500 HP car would thrash the 300 HP car by far larger margins.

ESRAM is going to be an issue in EVERY GAME. It's something that more experienced devs, in yearly franchise type settings, will get somewhat better with it, but it will always be an issue. As for the medium and indie devs that might not have quite the same time, money, and talent? They're screwed. Which means xbox one owners are screwed.

[H0RSE]

@allformats

Some of you seem to be extremely naive or overambitious with this arbitrary idea that 1080p is a "must" for next-gen. You guys really need to understand that although the console are "next-gen" (largely just a buzzword with no definitive meaning) they are still just $400-500 devices, not high end PC's. Some of you even go a step further, and include 60fps in your "demands," as if it's such meager feat to fulfill...To expect nothing but "the best" across the board on such a medium, is pipe-dreams.

I don't doubt that games will release in 1080p, as some games already are, but every single game? Get over yourselves. If such high-end quality is of the utmost importance to where you "demand" that games play a t 1080p, or even worse, 1080p/60fps, as seems to be the case with many, than you should playing your games on the best hardware available - PC. If you choose a lesser medium, than you should except a lesser quality product, it's really that simple. You can point the finger and cry "PC elitism," but really it's just being rational.

Graphics or resolution alone is not some guideline to base whether or not a game achieves "next-gen" status, and if you think otherwise, then quite frankly, you're wrong. If none of the next-gen games achieved 1080p, they could still easily qualify as next-gen, due to other aspects, whether it be to techniques like AA or AO, more content and features available, new, innovative ideas, higher framerates, higher poly counts, and even sharper visuals. Yes, a game running at 720p, can look sharper than a game running at 1080p. BF4 is a good example of this. Is it running at 1080p? No, not on either system, but both versions are running at 60fps, and have 64 man servers. That is an example of "next-gen" in gaming, despite lacking 1080p resolution.

If it's just pretty games running at a smooth framerate that is needed to justify your purchase, then again, you are on the wrong platform, since we have been achieving this for years on PC.

As for the arguments over X1's perfroance/graphics and it being "more for less," these arguments are misplaced and inaccurate, due to the fact that the extra cost is largely due to the inclusion of the Kinect, NOT due to the claim that you are getting more powerful hardware. Another aspect is the HDMI-in port, which regardless how useless you see it (along with the Kinect) it's still going to drive up the initial cost, so it would actually be more accurate to claim that you are paying "more for more," since you are physically getting more. Do the PS4 bundles cost more than the regular PS4's? Same logic applies here.

[otherZinc]

You guys sound ridiculous.

You guys are talking about a 3rd party game, that's made FOR LAST GEN CONSOLES.

COD & BF4 is the exact game for the PS3 & 360 that's upped to 1080p @ 60fps, that's it.

However:

Forza 5 is MADE FOR NEXT GEN and is
1080p "native" @ 60fps: Both On & Offline!
With more features than any racing game Ever.

Yet, you guys refuse to acknowledged that Fact!

I ask you haters: where's Drive Club?

[devwan]

"COD & BF4 is the exact game for the PS3 & 360 that's upped to 1080p @ 60fps, that's it. "

Do your homework - BF4 on current gen is nothing like the same game that the ps4 & xbox one will have.

As for f5 made for next gen - that's your opinion. Many people would disagree with that as they believe it's very much built on existing tech.

[T2]

The fact that a free game makes you so defensive is hilarious , wait till the forza 5 vs gt6 comparisons come out you will be screaming about how forza wheel treads have blacker blacks

[Magicite]

Now You see why MS said: specs dont matter, its all about games.

[HardcoreDaBoss]

is it really? This is not PC gaming people. we play games to enjoy the quality, not to look at pretty walls and ceilings. I play games to enjoy every exclusive on every console xbox, nintendo, sony. Im what you would call a real gamer... not some fanboy like N4G seems to attract. All I ever hear on this site is wii u is weak, xbox is weak, ps4 iss umm super awesome. If people really care so much about being 1080p at 60 frames then go out and buy a gaming pc and then brag.. but bragging about console specs just makes everyone look foolish and kiddie. I bet most of you have never seen gaming above 1080p with settings maxed out.. If you did you wouldn't be on here bragging about your'e favorite console being almighty

[HugoDrax]

" I bet most of you have never seen gaming above 1080p with settings maxed out.. If you did you wouldn't be on here bragging about your'e favorite console being almighty"

Well said! I have, and let me tell you....my first experience was when Half Life 2 released. I couldn't believe how good it looked, and that was in 2005. I had purchased an Alienware PC, for gaming and design work. This was before I began building my own rigs. Anyhow, if I played The Orange Box today on my PS3/360, it still wouldn't look as good as it did on my 2005 PC.

[grassyknoll]

Anyone who says it doesn't matter & can't tell the difference may as well stick with the 360.

[CRAIG667]

Are you saying Ryse,Forza 5 etc are able to run on the 360? No. That's why I am upgrading.

[Themba76]

actually ryse started on the 360 long ago and was ported to x1 not a true x1 title.

[DoesUs]

I* think he's refering to the 720p VS 1080p discussion.

[Elit3Nick]

@Themba76 okay that's a stupid argument, there was no working demo of the game when it was a kinect title, so the only thing that got ported over was it's name. Are you so insecure about your choice of first party launch titles that you have to call a game "not a true X1 title" just because of some made up technicality.

[Drekken]

Titanfall is on PC too, Craig. Settle down.

[H0RSE]

@Themba76

That is a stupid argument...BF4 is a PS3 and X360 game, so I guess the next-gen versions won't be any different, right?

And if your argument is claiming that Ryse started development on 360 and was simply ported over to X1, do you not think that any changes/improvements were made? Do you think they just used the 360's resources and left it at that?

[andibandit]

@drekken

True i wonder why i didnt think of that too, oh yeah i just remembered now.......im not rich

[Drekken]

andibandit, I am not rich by any means but I am a gamer. I have a HD TV, Console, and a gaming PC. The PC was built for like $600. You don't need to be rich.

[jackanderson1985]

except you know different games are coming to xbox one that aren't on the 360

[amiga-man]

Such an obvious distance in power between the two consoles you really would have to be some kind of Halo nut to purchase the lesser more expensive one.

Panello didn't know the resolution he said you really would have to have been some sucker to have believed that.

Why anyone trusts anything M$ says at this point is beyond me.

[VENOMACR1227]

Right because Sony loves you and doesnt care about a profit. They always tell the truth. Keep telling yourself that.

"Lesser" system? Because the specs are lower? I guess all the other stuff that it does or comes with that the PS4 doesn't makes it the lesser system.

[amiga-man]

WOW!!! VENOMACR1227

M$ really have got you by the balls haven't they, I feel genuinly sorry for you man

[mcstorm]

But the PS4 is less because it comes with less tech. People seem to be forgetting this. The PS4 dose not come with a camera is only using Bluetooth 2.1 and dose not have a HDMI input.

The Xbox one comes with Kinect 2 which is an impressive bit of kit even if you don't want to use it or not. the one also has WiFi Direct and HDMI input.

The xbox one is also built on Windows RT with Hyper-V and xbox software with adds plus points over the PS4 too.

For me box the xbox one and PS4 are priced right for what they come with and what they offer too.

Its the same with the WiiU.

Power dose not make a console the best you can buy as its the games that sell it and this will be the reason why sales well be good or poor.

Look at the PSV for example the thing is a best but the lack of games is the reason why it is being walked all over by the 3DS. Yet the 3DS sales were not as high as people were expecting when it went on sale as it did not have the software people wanted but since then it has been unstoppable.

No one knows if the sales of the WiiU will pickup or if the PS4 or Xbox one will hit the ground running until a few years into there life.

[Skynetone]

there's a reason why ps4 is using Bluetooth 2.1 because its 90% faster then Bluetooth 4.0 when it comes to input from the controller

[Trekster_Gamer]

well there are the games they have showed that look as good if not better than the ps4. You are a pathetic troll that really needs to
STFU...

[VENOMACR1227]

Pretty stupid quote because a comparison between the 360 and X1 is like comparing a 2000 Camaro to a 2013 Camaro. Sure they share the same name, but the specs are totally different. It's really not that big of a deal. Look at the BF4 comparisons, not that huge of a difference. As developers get more time for games they will improve, just like they do on every system. The games look amazing either way, so to me it doesnt really matter 1080 or 720.

[-wub-]

Of course it doesn't matter to you, you're obviously a fanboy.

[andibandit]

As basic human beings we want whats best. You may have a hard time spotting the difference but you know which one is more powerful.

[VENOMACR1227]

@wub

And obviously your a moron. What did I say that was a "fanboy"? Doubt you even know what that is.

@andi

For sure, I know the PS4 is more powerful. Just like the PS3 is more powerful then 360 but if you compare BF4 on PS3 and 360, not a drastic difference.

[vigilante_man]

Of course it matters!

For the past 7 or so years it has mattered to 360 owners that multi-platform games looked very slightly better than on PS3. It mattered to PS3 owners that exclusives wiped the floor with 360 games in terms of graphics (in their opinion).

It mattered to developers that the 360 was easier to develop for (not better, just easier). It mattered to the pro-360 gaming sites (IGN, Eurogamer, to name but 2) that would use any statistic to try and justify better reviews for 360 games.

Now PS4 is much stronger in a very noticeable way and now Sony have proved themselves these past few years with very strong studio games, it all of a sudden does not matter!

It does matter. It always has, and it always will. It matters!

[Biggest]

And that is the ballgame! Well said, vigilante_man.

[devwan]

#truthfacts

[Ko_Uraki]

It matters only in relation to the price. Of course at MS they have to work hard to explain the value of the xboxone. In few words: more hardcore exclusives, more marketing, more games, perfect online...and more applications for kinect. If they don't do it, they have to cut the price as soon as possible.

[pompombrum]

It's more than the price though. For them to consider themselves a next gen console yet still doing 720p is laughable. The price is the icing on the cake imho.

[Ritsujun]

Xbone180'd.

[Manic2014]

It's not like they cannot go past 720p, other games such as Forza 5, 2K14, Live 14 etc can do 1080p natively and Ryse doing 900p, but its more likely for the dev's to get familiar with the system and push 1080p by end of next year. The truth is that the PS4 is easier to programme than the X1 hence the difference in resolution.

[pompombrum]

^^^ I do hope you're right. Imho, there should be no excuses for any "next gen" game not to run in 1080p.

[H0RSE]

1080p is not some holy grail, official accomplishment that games must meet in order to be considered "next-gen." It is nothing more than an arbitrary technicality cooked up by the community, largely due to moving goalpost mentalities and over-expectations. Games that run at 1080p can actually be "less-gen" than games that do not, based on other arguably more important parameters.

Anyone suggesting that any game that gets released on a $400-500 device, cannot be considered "next-gen" if it is anything less than 1080p, or even more demanding, 1080/60fps, is naive and out of touch with reality, especially considering all the other (arguably) more important factors that can contribute to a game being "next-gen," which is a little more than a buzzword itself, with no definitive meaning.

And for the millionth time - the increased price of the X1 has to due with the inclusion of the Kinect and the HDMI-in port, and nothing to do with a claim that it has more powerful hardware. The increased price has nothing to do with increased graphics/processing power. It's like paying more for a PS4 bundle vs a standard PS4.

[ruefrak]

It's too funny.
Xbox Fan: "It doesn't do 1080p? Pre-ordered cancelled. I'm getting a PS4!"
PS4 Fan: "It doesn't play MP3s? Pre-ordered cancelled. I'm getting an Xbox One!"

[pyramidshead]

Stuff like that for the PS4 can be updated through firmware though but you can't upgrade hardware like that :x. It is very very odd that they didn't include such basic media capabilities though o.O. I'm glad I had no intention of selling my PS3. Will just use that to play movies off of

[ruefrak]

Agreed. I was keeping my PS3 anyway since I have tons of games still needing to be played. And the more I thought about it, the more I realized I never (NEVER) use my PS3 to play MP3s. I have a stereo for listening to music. And the DLNA thing was always so slow or unreliable for me that I started just putting everything on an SD card and copying it over that way.
So while this news originally had me pissed off, the more I thought about it, the less I cared. But I still want an answer on what kind of video files the PS4 can play. That does effect me.

[Biggest]

I haven't used my console to play music since the original Playstation.

Did Sony say that the PS4 can't play movies? Your comment is confusing, pyramidshead.

". . . selling my PS3. Will just use that to play movies off of"

[ziggurcat]

well, it seems yoshida is listening to people:

https://twitter.com/yosp/st...

[KUV1977]

I think they want to push their music-streaming and video-services. Offering ingame-music but forcing you to get music unlimited is just not cool. I'm glad I am not using the ingame-music feature anyway, but missing DLNA really hurts.

[avengers1978]

I haven't heard of anyone canceling PS4 preorders because of the MP3 thing though

[ruefrak]

Go read the comments for the FAQ on the PlayStation Blog (US or EU, both are pissed off). It's filled with tons of people all saying they're cancelling or have already cancelled.

[T2]

@ruefrak - people just say that because Sony will change policy ... noone cancelled sht .

[andibandit]

I find the dlna thing more important

[Drekken]

Anyone crying about functionality missing at launch for the PS4 is blowing it way out of proportion. People need a history lesson about the PS3's firmware and all of the killer features we received over the years. Sony met everyone's requests with features as long as the hardware allowed it.

We will have streaming and MP3 soon enough. Shu has already been talking about it with the devs.

[T2]

This . I still applaud people complain though , they should let their voice be heard ... Sony has always exceeded expectations for media I remember when I downloaded one update and itwas like "ps3 now upconverts dvd to hd " .... I was like wha?! Awesome!

[pyramidshead]

I feel as if there's gonna be so many articles about this lol.

Wonder which multiplatform game is next...I'm gonna guess Rivals as one looks comparable to PC, so the dev says anyway.

[Mills93]

I'll give it a few months to see if it's really just driver problems etc, Due to the fact Forza is 1080p yet the COD port can't really just shows it not as simple as "X1 can't do 1080p"

At the moment X1 has more games me and my friends are interested in which is personally my most important thing

Will most likely get a PS4 too once a few games come out

[shivvy24]

See any game can do 1080p, but turn5 had to make cutbacks to get F5 running 1080p 60FPS for example the lighting.

[Elit3Nick]

people here quickly forget that the PS3 versions of COD were horribly unoptimized and broken games, the fact that the PC minimum specs are a gts450 ti or comparable is laughable since pretty much every other game requires just a 8800 gt. They're too lazy to actually optimize the game properly.

[tigertom53]

Forza they put a lot of detail in the cars and track but the background was worse then the forza 4

[strickers]

I keep hearing about the "better XB launch line up". I can see the point on launch day( although I wouldn't swap KZ for all the XB disc games and I wouldn't buy any of them if they were PS4). What about the next few months? Say next 5 months. How many games are coming to XB1 and how many to PS4? First day is merely that. Then what?

[Einhert]

Its only good looking game titanfall is also out for the PC so I have literally no need for this console, I love the setting of Ryse but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.

But the PS4 camp is no better, struggling to put out 1080p 60fps that was the standard on PC for so many years and the bar is now raised to 1440p.

[Manic2014]

Well i think titanfall looks great but visually ryse and also Quantum break look terrific......

[Einhert]

more so the gameplay I was commenting on with regards to Ryse. Quantum Break is a complete unknown at this point.

[strickers]

Titanfall might be brilliant but graphics are men. I saw it running on PC( we already know XB1 will look weaker) and it us not impressive looking.

[obliterator]

This is a pretty big blow for x1. It won't be able to keep up with ps4. It's just the beginning, situation will deteriorate for x1 in the future as games will be becoming more graphically intense.
Obviously the best thing will be to have a high end rig to remain at the bleeding edge of tech but if you prefer consoles like me, ps4 is the way to go. :)

[Manic2014]

Actually the situation will not deteriorate but it will be improving, if you think about it as the devs are still on their first games for this console, once they get familiarised with the architecture the visuals will start to improve. Its similar to the PS3 situation with the cell architecture....

[obliterator]

Don't you think the ps4 will be improving too or does that improvement is exclusive to x1 according to your logic.
If x1 has hardware bottlenecks, no amount of software improvement can undo that, so its better to be rational bro.

[Sayai jin]

@obliterator - I think he comment only on the X1, because that's the only thing you commented on as far as things getter better or worse.

Consoles graphics always improve over their life cycle it it not console specific, rather it is game devs becoming more familiar with the hardware.

[Manic2014]

@obliterator
Yes it's the same with PS4, But according to your logic the development of games on the X1 will deteriorate, which is the exact opposite which will happen. Just like this generation both consoles improved over time especially the PS3 which i remember being very difficult to programme according to dev's. What i am saying is being rational, even CBOAT stated as of now the eSRAM is a hurdle the dev's will overcome overtime....Dev;s have stated that the PS4 is more faster to develop for compared to the X1, in hindsight if dev's had more time for the X1 the target 1080p 60fps may have been approachable as they had more time to get over the hurdles, As for the PS4 its architecture is much more easier and less complex than the X1, hence in the same amount of development time x1 comes out with less resolution and weaker optimisation....

[Elit3Nick]

@MMEHTA exactly it was pretty much the exact same story with the PS3, because of it's more complex architecture, it was having issues on multi platform games, people here won't "remember" this because it would spoil their fantasy.

[McScroggz]

Here's the key difference:

The Xbox 360 and PS3 have relative power parity. One has a better CPU, the other a better GPU. But overall the raw horsepower is pretty similar. Factor in the Cell, and while it does make the PS3 overall a little more powerful it is also really hard to develop for. Even after learning how, there isn't a huge inherent difference in power.

Then compare the Xbox One and the PS4:

The Xbox One is significantly less powerful, and what makes it harder to develop for is something that will always be a bottleneck. Always. Unlike Cell which, in a way, unlocked power, the eSRAM will always inhibit the Xbox One. So even after developers learn to develop for the Xbox One (which will lessen the gap between it and PS4) the PS4 will still be significantly more powerful.

The Xbox One just cannot ever match the PS4.

[Manic2014]

@McScroggz
I wouldn't say significantly powerful, Dev's stated that the systems are almost the similar, yes PS4 is powerful but the difference in the end will be negligible, There were anonymous sources of kotaku and edge whom stated the power differences is big but then they stated the in the end the differences of games will be negligible. As for the eSRAM it plays the same role of what Cell did with the PS3, to unlock more horsepower for the console. From what it looks like eSRAM will play the same with Dev's once they have become experienced. So i'm guessing the the roles have reversed from last gen. Though what i said is just conjecture, we should wait until both consoles have launched.....but below is a link for what is stated by kotaku in one of their many articles.

http://kotaku.com/about-tho...

[purp13m0nk3y]

@MMEHTA

eSRAM - "As for the eSRAM it plays the same role of what Cell did with the PS3, to unlock more horsepower for the console."

LMFAO!?! You should really do some reading before you post dude! That is the stupidest statement I've read in a long time.

Cell is a processor, eSRAM is well... ram.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

If your interested?

[gnothe1]

its not a deal breaker for me...I prefer the xbox games..the xbox online infrastructure an the system capabilities with the Kinect...so i'll take all of the over alittle resolution on games that STILL LOOK AMAZING...

[sealava]

I always had more 360 games because I preferred Xbox live for online games , But the way things are going,looks like I'm heading to the PS4 camp for most of my next-gen games.

[avengers1978]

XDF is gonna have a hard time defending this.
A game MS pays big money for exclusive timed DLC will be better on the PS4...

[Rzep]

Deal breaker or not, it is damn disapointing. It was obvious for a long time that a jump in quality that we saw in the case of PSX=>PS2, Xbox=>360 will never happen again, but these news that keep showing up are disheartning.

It's as I feared and consoles have stopped being consoles. They are media boxes. Games are only one element, and sometimes it seems it's not the most important one.

This goes a long way to something that I've been saying for years, that this will be the last console generation. Next gen will simply be one of branded PC's. MS PC, Sony PC...sad.

[ape007]

i think that xbox one's Esram need some extra time for optimization and stuff, u have Forza 5 which is of course technically higher than CoD ghosts run at 1080p 60 FPS

i expect the first wave of X1 multiplats to have 720p, first 6 to 12 months

[Volkama]

Some people said the One was rushed to market. There have been numerous reports that the dev tools have been poor/behind schedule whereas general consensus seems to be that Sony had their sh** together.

If that's true then perhaps the XBox will close the gap a bit. Perhaps the tools to use ESRAM will be more intuitive, perhaps devs will start tailoring games to better use the move engines (megatextures and such).

Meanwhile games may start making better/heavier use of the PS4's extra GPU compute power, so the gap could even get bigger.

Time will tell. Fortunately it's not like buying either console locks you into it forever though, you can buy the other at some point if you like what you see.

[theBAWSE]

and the most delusional fanboy award goes to......... ape007 *cheers and rounds of applause in the background *

did you really just say forza has more going on than cod? a driving game with static backgrounds and baked lighting against a first person shooter with enemies and sorts of effects going on in the background?

it was a close call between you and jokesonyou... sod it you and him can share the damn trophy

[ape007]

LoL what an idiot, first of all im a huge Playstation gamer, i have all their systems

and secondly NBA 2K14 is true nextgen and 1080p on X1, MGS V the same and many more, halo 5 will look like CG and run 1080p/60 FPS

wake up darling, use your head

[theBAWSE]

yaah ... cool story bro

[strickers]

Chimp007 would a better name.
Forza is not as advanced , tech wise as some of you seem to think.

[Volkama]

It's not a bullet point for the sales reps, but it's not a deal breaker at all. At least not for me.

The reasons I favoured the One:

Brand loyalty
-I've always enjoyed core XBox games. Halo, Gears, Forza, Crackdown etc but also 3rd party games like Mass Effect.
-MS' consoles have been strongest outside of the gaming space. OS features, Xbox live and such, MS have been leaders in those areas.

Promises for new experiences
-I have a monstrous PC that can push pixels far in excess of the consoles. The online infrastructure and Kinect can set the One apart to give me something different.

Those things still apply today, COD running at 720p doesn't really change any of it.

Of course if I didn't have a PC then my perspective on pushing pixels would be very different, and I'd probably be getting a PS4 first. So I can certainly see the recent revelations swaying a lot of people's minds.

Note I know this is my perspective. You can say you prefer TLOU/God of War/JRPGs and I wont disagree with you, my reasons and opinions don't have to match yours.

[jimbobbeers]

But..but...but you're not allowed a preference, not unless its the same as mine! What do you mean you prefer Xbox games to Sony games? This is outrageous.

Please notice my sarcasm ;-)

[Volkama]

I'm actually quite a fan of some PS3 exclusives. Heavy Rain,Infamous and such in particular. I quite like JRPGs too as a bit of a blast from the past. I'll get a PS4 down the line for sure.

It just seems to strike a nerve with some people if I say I don't enjoy their particular favourite game.

I'll get a tonne of disagrees for this right here: I didn't enjoy the Uncharted games much. Not a fan of cheesy stealth mechanics, and not a fan of spotting nooks and ledges I'm supposed to climb on. I'm not saying it's a bad game, just stating my own preference but it makes some people foam at the mouth.

[McScroggz]

Honestly, I think your reasoning and situation perfectly validates your choice. Not that you NEED it validated by strangers on an internet forum, but there are legitimate reasons to buy an Xbox One over PS4.

[thisismyaccount]

I bet they will have their "momentum"...

Arrr! Ahoy to all me fellow heartys! Let us have all som´Grog! Yo-ho-ho ~ Yo-ho-ho..

[Skynetone]

you don't need to know

[johny5]

There isn't they both go backwards!

[Gore-Content]

That was a fine read.

[Maxor]

If BF 4 is 1080p on the PS4 then it's a wrap.

[bcrazy18]

It's not. Confirmed to be 900p.

[ooquis]

For me 1080p is a waist of power on a console. If naughty dog where to make a game running 720P 60fps to really push the envelope regarding Physics(most impotent in my opinion),graphics and all the jazz i wouldn't mind one bit. So the Xboxone really is weaker than the ps4,now we can move on i think beacuse i'm a proud Playstation FANBOY and part of the title comes class and i wont kick a xbox fanboy when his down on the ground with his mouth in the mud.

[Jdoki]

I'm no XB1 fan, but this is rubbish.

The biggest market is not the hardcore who care about resolution. If resolution was such a big deal the Wii would have sold almost zero units.

And lets be clear here. The XB1 is MORE than capable of 1080p IF the detail/effects level is lowered - but what devs appear to be doing is keeping the eye candy between PS4 and XB1 comparable at the expense of resolution. Is that acceptable? Who cares, if the games are fun.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

Not really.

Plenty of AA on the PS4 version Of BF4.No jaggies at all and all this, while rendering literally over twice the amount of pixels per-frame @ a consistent framerate over Xbone.Very impressive stuff.

[Jdoki]

I watched the comparison videos, and yeah PS4 wins it, but it wasn't a huge disparity - certainly not like comparing a Wii to PS3 game like some are making out! The only thing that really bugged me about the XB1 version of BF4 was the ridiculous lighting engine.

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

It will be much more noticeable on a TV.Trying to to judge difference through videos compressed through youtube (also capped at 30fps on youtube) or screens just taken from the same videos doesn't do the comparisons any justice.

But yeah i also agree.Some people try to play it up like a wii vs PS3/360 difference.It won't be as dramatic as that but the differences will be much, much bigger then the differences between 360/PS3.

Example:
http://i.imgur.com/qWs3tuQ....

[Elit3Nick]

lol it's not even close to twice the frames, stop spouting BS

[ThatCanadianGuy514]

^

I didn't say twice the framerate.Learn to comprehend what you read instead of going into defense mode.

[Jdoki]

Thing is DayZ - while I agree that it may be more noticeable on a TV, how many people are running PS4 / XB1 next to each other realistically?

I played Assassins Creed 1, and Red Dead Redemption on PS3 - two of the many multi-plat games that were marginally, but noticeably, better on the 360 - and I never cared one bit that the framerate in AC was a bit choppier than 360, or that RDR had less tufts of grass - the games were fun.

So I really can't see how 720p is the deal breaker that the article suggests.

[jimbobbeers]

Sensible comments don't belong here.

[SaveFerris]

How about this crazy idea, have all Xbox One games in 720p and 60fps. I think it could make a big difference. But they will have to change the name of the console.

[McScroggz]

I think it's more an issue of all the flaws of the Xbox One combined when compared to the PS4 rather than any one issue. To me there are two factors that tip the scale when it comes to the majority of non-enthusiast gamers: Which system has the best multiplatform games and which system has the best online ecosystem. It's pretty clear that Sony wins one the former, it's the latter that is the Xbox One's last chance to stay competitive with the PS4 for this generation.

There are a lot of things that can change and happen throughout a console cycle. The PS3, even though it had a lot of promise, needed a lot of updates/redesigns and a massive price drop before it became truly competitive with the Xbox 360. Even now, with the PS3 clearly having the best library and a free online that's not much worse the the 360, the PS3 almost never outsells the 360 in terms of hardware and software in the United States. To me, the biggest reasons are the two I mention: multiplatform games and online experience.

Sure, most games are virtually the same between the two; however, for several years multiplatform games were clearly better on the Xbox 360 and that established a perception that still carries on today. Also, even though XBL and PSN are fairly comparable, the Xbox 360 established such a stranglehold on the online ecosystem that a lot of people have stuck with it because all their friends have stuck with it. So, if PSN for the PS4 is better than the Xbox One, or it's close enough that it's not a deciding factor for most, then Microsoft will have to really work to make the Xbox One competitive.

I'm certainly interested to see how this all plays out.

[Sadist3]

News flash, people. The average consumer doesn't care about 720p/1080p

[ooquis]

True. This hole 720p/1080p debacle is like back in 2008 when M$ announced hd-dvd getting discontinued. There is NO more arguing which console is more powerful......PS4 won. This is a big deal.

[mistertwoturbo]

Is that so? So the millions and millions of people who ditched their 720p tvs for 1080p tvs don't count? The average consumer is still informed enough to tell the difference between 720p and 1080p because of the past 7-8 years of marketing.

[TristanPR77]

Jajaja liars, if it was the PS4 with the 720 issue you would talking trash about the PS4.

Drop the hypocrisy and at least have some dignity.

[Imalwaysright]

True they care about price the most and MS loses on that front too.

[Maxor]

Average consumer would also buy the best console for the money instead of paying $100 more Kinect.

[Sven Benoit]

Man I swear the hate for the Xbone is starting to get unbearable. I feel like now people just want to hate on the Xbox just to fit in with the community at the moment. Spec wise is the Xbox weaker than the Ps4? Absolutely! I just find it funny that now all of a sudden everything is all about graphics and not about the games. Remember Ps2 is still widely considered to this day the best console of ALL TIME, yet it was CONSIDERABLY weaker than the original Xbox and what happen? I mean people act like there is not 1 1080p/60fps game on Xbone. Lol, it is definitely great time for Sony fanboys though, as they are having a field day with all this bad Microsoft press. Even though I am getting a Xbone first, I will be getting my Ps4 very shortly after. Man I swear these fanboys are funny, especially on the Sony side. It really makes me question the age these guys. I'm just praying that you guys are not grown men.

[mistertwoturbo]

You might have a point about the ps2, but the PS4 is cheaper and more powerful and has the software too. So if anything is more like the ps2 it's the ps4 ten fold.

[JeffGUNZ]

My stance is simple really. I have both the 360 and PS3 and I have enjoyed multiple games on each system. The first system I got this generation was an Xbox 360 and several years later I purchased a PS3 Slim. I began this generation with the 360 and all my friends I have met online and friends throughout my real life have all built a community with one another and for that reason I tend to favor the xbox console. My initial plans were to preorder this Xbox One but was hesitant about dishing out the money. I was hoping by the new year/christmas I would cave in and purchase the Xbox One. Now, if you followed the console development cycle closely, without favoritism, you are all aware that Sony dished out the PS4 Dev. kits a lot earlier then the Xbox One. With that knowledge, I am not shocked or even slightly surprised that multiplat ports like COD are going to be running 720p right away. I know by this time next year almost every exclusive will most likely be 1080p and that games only get better and better as the generation progresses. I am just not overwhelmed at what I have seen for next generation at this point, I mean the fun factor on these games for next generation are going to be amazing and games like Killzone and Dead Rising 3 look incredible for what they offer, but rushed ports and early hardware has just made me cautious. I really think games like the last of us and GTAV have really made the leap to next generation less substantial then I once anticipated. For the time being I am content with playing GTA Online (whenever they get it fixed and add heists/more missions/dlc, etc) and will wait till both systems impress me enough to warrant the money. Game on fellas!

[My_precious]

now i know why they don't name that an xbox720, because that name will make the worst joke even than the xbone one

[Moz]

It does seem like a lot of people misunderstand the whole 1080p thing. It's not about can the system do games at 1080p because it can, so can 360 & PS3.

What is important is what level of detail (geometry, lighting, effects) the system can support while rendering at 1080p60.

With these early games the devs haven't had time to optimise so they put more or less the same assets and effects onto both system and then tweek the settings to get a solid frame rate and reducing the render resolution is the quickest and easiest thing to change.

It's more then likely that there will be game in the future the run 1080p on both PS4 and XB1 with the XB1 version having some effects and geometry cut back but the devs will have had the time to be clever about it and reduce how perceivable the difference is to the average player.

You'll also games that are run at 720p30 on purpose on both platforms but will still look amazing as they will have more effects, better lighting better AA etc.

Best demonstration of why 720p can make fantastic looking game is watch a pixar movie at 720p (eg sky movies HD) and it looks increadible.

Natural looking light and good AA are just as if not more important then the resolution.

[Juangie3]

I heard the servers are holding the other 360p. Nah.. just kiddin. Games are still 720p

[Max-Zorin]

For God sake. Let's just pretend Sony have a monopoly. It's been nothing but bad news back to back.

[horndog]

No x1 can't do 1080p. Lets just pretend that the other 1080p titles on it don't even exist.

[ziggurcat]

title. xbone has one 1080p title.

[Jamaicangmr]

Based on the specs i've always known the PS4 was more powerful, then all the articles came about stating the X1 is 50+% less powerful. Alot of people denied and alot of us said fine we'll see. However we expected the argument to be made by comparing say GT7 to Forza 6 or KZ to Halo. Never did i expect that right out the game this 50+% power difference would be shown. I mean Call of Duty and battlefield? It's not gonna get better people that gap is always gonna be there ALWAYS.

Plus let me remind you that MS has upclocked the CPU and GPU so what the hell would we be getting if they didn't? MS was either not ready and Sony just piled it on em or MS underestimated what Sony had planned. Either way it's not looking good for the X1 at all.

[bornsinner]

i think people are taking this ghost 720p thing too far, the xbone is capable of 1080 60 as forza is, it can do 900p 30 which ryse is, bf4 is 720 60 and ps4 is 900 which is still sub hd, so you cant say ps4 can do 1080p on all games, best it can do is sub hd 60 or 1080p 30 on most games.

xbone had a late driver update which could have caused the xbone games to be a problem, they were even considering delaying bf4 remember.

besides a game like cod aint exactly great on visuals so as long as its hd 60fps i think we wont notice much of a difference.

and i am still picking it over ps4 because of DEDICATED SERVERS. its something every online gaming fan wants. if i want the best graphics id go pc

[SuperWeeb]

http://www.pushsquare.com/n...

The PS4 is getting dedicated servers too, you idiot.
You're just buying the inferior version for no added bonus.

[bornsinner]

LOL get a better source or read what he actually wrote, he said 'one' might assume that, which means one might take it the wrong way. he also mentioned that it was a hybrid system, of dedicated & listen servers, do you even know what that means? a dedicated server will do the matchmaking, look for location based ping & select a PLAYER AS A HOST, the listen server is a P2P connection, a player is selected as host.. the funny thing is THEY ALREADY DO THIS! they are merely making people speculate to assume ghost is ps4 dedicated when it is not, people take it the wrong way but they dont care it boost sales.

also worth mentioning is they wont quote on other platforms expect xbone was admitted to have dedicated yet they kept quiet about everything else...most likely they don't want to make other plats feel demoted

[Rickgrimes95]

If you have a tv over 40" the difference between 720 and 1080 is very noticeable

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Well Infinity Ward did have the game running at nativ 1080p before Microsoft upgraded its drivers in August. With two months to go IW had to re-optimize the game but ran out of time. The same can be said for Dice BF4. The change is for the better because games in 2014 are going to look fantastic and run at native 1080p. I would sayay the strategy backfired on Microsoft green lighting Dice and IW to use the new drivers with two months to optimize the games.

[Jamaicangmr]

Hey Frigid, sup man?

I think people are getting abit beyond the real issue here. it's not that the X1 can't do 1080p that's ridiculous however it's the fact that it's showing weakness in comparison to the PS4 and this much of it already.

I've pretty sure there will be games that are 1080p on both consoles but best believe that devs will use the extra power on the PS4 to improve texture, effect and lighting so that will result in both 1080p at 60fps but the PS4 version still looking considerably better based on the things i mentioned before.

There is no closing that gap, no magical driver will make up for the difference in power and keep in mind that PS4 will have driver updates as well. So yeah....

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Hey whats up good morning to you in Jamaica. I dunno know it depends on which video you watch from DF or IGN. The IGN video shows some of the ps4 weaknesses the DF shows x1 weaknesses. Their are journalists that prefer the x1 and others prefer the ps4 it all comes down to taste. Hey PM me your new number i will try to call you this weekend.

[bornsinner]

you dont seem to understand that the devs hated the microsoft drivers, they had a driver update and they were considering delaying games because of this... optimiaztion makes a difference but having difficulty with the drivers must have caused the poor performance

[Clarence]

Stop it. It can only get better for the PS4 as well. There is no way the xbone will out do the PS4.

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Okay if you say so be careful what you say. Don't drink the kool-aid.

[Clarence]

@ fridges
I'm drinking the kool-aid and I'm loven it.

The 360 had a year head start, cheaper and easy to develop for console. Yet they ended up dead last.

Now the PS4 is cheaper more powerful and easy to develop for. Top that off with Sony's 1st party studios ability to create new ips. Yeah the PS4 future is looking real bright. You should have some kool-aid. Everybody else is drinking it.

Cheers.

[ziggurcat]

@ frigid:

that's a load of crap, and you know it... do you have proof that it was ever running at native 1080p or that the updated drivers had any effect on the game's resolution?

[FrigidDARKNESS]

Sure go back to the unveiling of the game and you will find out do some research dude instead of reading and regurgitating fanboy articles.

[weap0nx]

Simple answer is YES this is Next Gen and can't even run 1080p. 4K gaming not coming to Xbox One or PS4 no way in hell.

[Jamaicangmr]

Oh yeah i forgot 4K lol! Who the hell even believed that crap?

[weap0nx]

I know for sure people are feeling a little disappoint right now with Xbox One. Everything is feeling so rushed.

[KontryBoy706]

stop calling it the Xbox One... it is now the Xbox720 didn't you get the memo?

[josephayal]

what problem? 360 did some 720p games at 60fps with 512mb

[ElementX]

COD... *yawn* I'll wait for better games before I pass judgement on a console

[credit86]

just in from work and the best part of my day is defo watchin fanboys argue it out....if ur such big gamers ud e gettin both console cause the exclusives are great on both... am gettin a box first then the ps next year i know i should be doing it the other way round but the kids want kinect...and unes wont notice the difference anyway if ur gettin a box then thats gonna be ur next gen benchmark if ur gettin a ps4 then thats urs....if ye get wet for graphics go get a good pc lol...feel free to tellme how wrong i am ;)

[svoulis]

I'll put this here, for anyone who cares. Nothing doctored up, NOTHING filtered.

Simply took the screenshots of the game running at 1080p and 720p on my PC all settings maxed out adjusted FOV to 65 and nothing else.

I'll let you decide if it matters or not. Personally it does to me, because I don't want to pay more for less. Thats just me thought.

http://tinyurl.com/lderhog

[DevilishSix]

The X1 is weaker hardware and should be sold as such. In no way should it cost $100 more than the stronger hardware it goes against free market principles. What MS needs to do is sell a non kinect SKU at $299 or $325, but that may not happen because MS wants to sell you that unnecessary Kinect at $100 profit.

With that way of thinking I hope Sony cleans MS clock and I was primarily a 360 player and used PS3 for exclusives, but I changed after seeing Sony's reveal and then all the crap MS pulled. MS can't be trusted.

Now I am just going to wait and see if the next nail comes, if there are hardware issues in X1 like 360 once its in the wild, it could be the death nail for the X1 console.

Lastly, xbox fans don't defend MS over this situation, get ticked off, we have been waiting 8 years for a new Xbox and this is the crap MS gives us its indefensible. You've been taken for granted.

[TristanPR77]

Suddenly performance, power and resolution is not important to the Xbox community.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Max-Zorin]

Performance, power, and resolution definitely don't matter when a PC gamer get in the conversation.

[miklo84]

Does it really matter? XBone will still look a billion times better graphically than the Atari Jaguar. Although Atari Jaguar does sound better than XBOX ONE. Can you imagine sitting there and saying, "Jaguar On", and hearing a beastly roar as is its start up sound

[kingdip90]

Of course xbox games run at 720p natively, that way when they unleash the 1080p version of the game they can say its because of the power of the cloud and make you pay for the better graphics... not that we will have any proof its the cloud, just their say so

[Clarence]

He mentions Titanfall like its a launch title when it's not. Ryse is the launch title. Infamous SS will come out when Titanfall releases. Sony will win the new gen, because they are always working on new IPs. Plus cheaper more powerful console can't hurt.

[assdan]

The reason its a deal breaker is we were promised a primary 1080p gen, and they can't even deliver half that res with many of the games they're putting on it. People would've been able to accept 1080p at a lower framerste or slightly lower detail than ps4. But the fact that the difference is this huge is astounding, easpecially when the company with the undeniably inferior product has the gall to release at a higher price. People can say infinity ward is bad at programming, but that means a Bad programmer was able to push the ps4 twice as far. When you buy an x1, you pay for a mediocre console and a really nice camera.

[gamer2013]

I know that I'm preaching to the choir here but it's been common knowledge for months now ever since the first rumors that the Xb1 was behind the PS4 in development time due to unfinished dev tools. Reports of poorly optimized drivers for the XB1 further confirm this. It will take time for these issues to be sorted out so we are going to see some poor results vs the PS4 early on with the Xb1 unfortunately.

[CrossingEden]

Meanwhile, AC4 is 1080p on xb1. And so is Quantum Break.

[bligmerk]

Going to keep posting this trend development comparison for some titles at launch, after recent updates in the past week. There is a definite trend there. See if you can see it. And remember, 720p is better than 1080p, according to MS <roll eyes>.

PS4
-----
Killzone SF.....1080p, 30-60 fps
Resogun.........1080p, 60 fps
COD Ghosts..1080p, 60 fps
DriveClub.......1080p, 30 fps, dev working on 60
Knack............1080p, ? fps
Infamous:SS......1080p, ? fps, possible demo
Battlefield 4....900p, 60fps
DC Universe....1080p, 60 fps
Warframe F2P..1080p, ? fps
Deep Down F2P..1080p, ? fps, beta at launch

XBone
-------
Forza 5..........1080p, 60 fps
Ryse..............900p, 30 fps
Killer Instinct..720p, 60 fps
DR 3..............720p, 30 fps
COD Ghosts....720p, 60 fps
Titanfall..........720p, 60 fps
Battlefield 4.....720p, 60fps

[Kidmyst]

I'm sure the 720 thing is just temporary and in time will get better. But I've got a PS4 and Xbone pre-ordered but weighing havily on canceling the Xb1 initially because Dead Rising is the only game I really want to play, but just feel more like waiting for the price to drop and getting one later. $100 more for it just for a camera I'll never use and if the game is on both plats I'll get it on PS4 and just miss out for now on Xbone Exclusives.

[TheOrion]

As big a Sony fanboy as I am, I don't see the big deal as far as resolution goes. Am I the only one who cares on the game experience?

[Jamaicangmr]

Resolution more than effect and textures is the most direct and clear cut indicator of the one hardwares strength or weakness in comparison to another.

Being able to hand 50+% more pixels on screen is huge deal because it directly relates to power and what we can expect in the future.

[TheOrion]

Couldn't care less.

Some of the best games I've played look like crap, but still provide a better quality and experience.

[tdogg]

NBA 2k14 is 1080p on both next gen consoles.

[bligmerk]

Sports games are a lot less demanding than even an FPS. Sports games don't have dialogue or much in the way of facial expressions, they don't have dynamic weather, the lighting effects are usually very bland, most sports don't have that many characters on a field, the large crowds are just low res bots, no vegetation or terrain, the list goes on and on but sports games aren't as compute intensive as many other genre of games.

[MCTJim]

While I watched this all unfold and watched all the videos and the comparisons..I think the comparisons and nit picking is negligible in terms of differences between the two console platforms. I only purchased the PS4 for Killzone and other "exclusives" that are "coming soon." I purchased the XBox one because it, for me, is the better platform for shooters and open world games.

All of my friends will be purchasing both consoles, but we all will be using the X1 for multiplats like CoD and BF.

I still see negligible differences so far. But these consoles are in the 9th month of the pregnancy and once they come out into the world...they will each grow and develop. So play what you wanna play and just enjoy them.

[bligmerk]

Wonder how long that is going to last when they see the MP jaggies all over in CoD and BF4, especially in motion? Apparently, along with the 720p, MS has a lower minimum of 2XAA, and that seems to be all the multi-plats are able to achieve and stay at 60fps.

[jmc8888]

Also the AO (ambient occlusion) isn't in the Xbox One version of BF4...they say they are going to add it.

But there's a performance cost. Might be 3-5-12 FPS. I'm sure they're probably trying to find other shortcuts to offset some of the hit, but when they add it, it will take a hit.

PS4's is already implemented, any improvement will probably just make the framerate more solid.

I agree the jaggies will look far worse when you're actually playing and running around on any game, and it really easily can distract you and make it hard to see people at distance. Especially those that might be right around the areas aliasing. This definitely lowers the experience for all FPS like CoD.

[jmc8888]

Then your friends are going to be hella disappointed until they purchase the PS4 version.

It's not nit picking. Maybe to you, at this time, but just you wait, you'll see it makes a MAJOR difference. Maybe you've only been gaming on consoles, so you don't know the difference, but as a console and a PC gamer, this is a major difference that will show up far more when ACTUALLY PLAYING.

You also might have watched the wrong comparisons. If you saw DF, forget everything they did, as the messed up their entire article on so many points that many people have lost all faith in them. They literally were talking out of their butt, and didn't know the PS4 and XB1 have the same freaking scaler. They really need to redo their article. It's like a tabloid rag piece. Little to no truth in it at all.

Better platform? The Xbox One isn't the 360. Open world games need POWER, and you're going to see THE BIGGEST DIFFERENCES on open world games.

Also Xbox Live for Xbox One is NOT the same network as Xbox Live for Xbox 360. Just like PS+ for PS3 is not the same network as PS+ for PS4.

While both networks will have the problems, we simply don't know how good they'll be. They could both be better then 360 Live, or both be worse then PS+ for PS3.

So if you and you're friends are buying an Xbox One for supposedly better Live experience, for open world games, and for multiplatforms, you might find you bought the Xbox One for nothing, as all might be drastically better on the PS4.

What I do know is that the people who have been leaking information like this 720p vs 1080p that was leaked a week or two ago, also said Xbox Live for Xbox One is having connection issues. What I also know is that only the PS4 intended to launch in 2013. Xbox One was clearly a 2014 product. If I'm going to trust a network working at launch, it isn't going to be Xbox Live for Xbox One.

[MCTJim]

You opinion is yours and mine is mine. Nothing you can write/say/link is going to change that. I will indeed be enjoying both Consoles.

Oh I watched the DF ones and the IGN ones. I still say the X1 looks better. But again its my opinion. I think MS's infrastructure is further along than Sony's in terms of online gaming and what they have to offer.

Im also looking forward to Killzone. That is the only game on PS4 on release date that interests me at this time. I am sure others will come along, but for now, my main gaming will be on the X1. 6 months from now maybe a PS4 game will come along and I will get stuck on that for a spell..who knows

[jmc8888]

So I guess this is the result when you BALANCE 8 GB's only having access to 1/3rd of your bandwidth and 32 MB's having access to 2/3rds.

That balance.

[GiantEnemyCrab]

The biggest deal breaker yet? Hardly. What a bunch of drama queens. Wow, 2 FPS games are 60fps but only 720p. Time to cancel your pre-order!

I am disappointed but the author sounds like he is 15 years old.

[tagan8tr]

Anyone else starting to feel held hostage by these console companies if online was cross platform we could by what we want.. huh imagine a world where the consumer has freedom of choice.

[killcole]

This is funny. People are insinuating that 1080p is better than having dedicated servers. When it really isn't.

[strickers]

Did you own a 360?
Did you play online?
Did you claim it was better than ps3 online?
Did you realise Live was mostly P2P and that PS3 had loads more dedicated servers?
Probably not. Another guy that knows best, when he actually doesn't.

[killcole]

Yes.
Yes.
Yes.
No.

Nope. Just a guy that is looking forward to playing Call Of Duty on dedicated servers.
PS has never had that. And PS won't for a while. I don't get what you're insinuating here. But I'm not implying anything. I'm 100% saying for Call of Duty, the most popular gaming franchise, dedicated servers are a must and are overdue. 1080p just isn't...

[1nsomniac]

"Eight weeks ago, Microsoft's Major Nelson said that he was “very much looking forward to the next few months (and beyond) as the truth comes out” about Xbox One. The truth is out there now, and it certainly isn't pretty."

That's the exact proof anyone should need out of the many, many examples, that Microsoft really don't have a clue what they are doing with the XBONE.

I think it all boils down to the complete incompetence of rushing an unfinished product out to market for the sake of keeping the 'corporates' happy. It never needed to be done & I genuinely believe it would be going the opposite way around if they hadn't rushed it even if it gave PS4 a few months head start. They've damaged every single aspect of their image & management during the last few months due to rushing it, their open & public lies & their complete public unknowingness of features & abilities.

Whenever I hear 1 of them say something it immediately comes across like it's coming from a stranger they just dragged off the street. Some of it's so stupid that at times it almost feels like it's an agenda to purposely fail for some kind of secret alternative plan..

[SilentGuard]

All signs point to it being rushed and true they would have been better releasing it in 2014. Sony getting a few months head start, or even a year, wouldn't have been a big deal when looking at a device meant to last 10 years. The fact that PS4 has been in development for 2 more years than Xbone is significant. Beyond that Sony learned from their mistakes, and MS made and is making the same ones Sony did 7 years ago. I would have been happy with my 360 another year and get the next gen Xbox in 2014. Now it looks like PS4 is the way I'll go.

[El_GuapoTron]

Everyone is forgeting that launch day multi-platform titles looked better on the Xbox 360. That did not mean that the Xbox 360 was more powerful than the PS4. I am not saying that the Xbox one is more powerful than the PS4, just that power can't really be judged by launch day multi-platform titles.

[El_GuapoTron]

I am going to save my judgement of the power of the next-gen consoles by which one runs Destiny better ;)

[1nsomniac]

I agree, there's no denying its common knowledge that the XBone was rushed out to release with PS4. Which was completely unnecessary in the first place & damaged them more than anything. As many developers have already stated, Microsoft didn't even have drivers available for the console until not too long ago.

But, the bottom line is the console isn't as powerful raw specs-wise. The product was rushed making many stupid design decisions that may never be able to be reversed while saving face & finally as not affiliated developers have already confirmed along with anyone who is an IT developer 'The Cloud' cannot physically make these groundbreaking improvements that Microsoft claim they will in the future. Yes it can be used for 'very' few background calculations but it simply cannot mathematically or physically make any real noticeable visual difference to a game & also requires the developer to actually develop at least 2 different versions of the same game, doubling development time.

We wont see what the XBone truly has to deliver for a little while but unfortunately it was born crippled from the beginning.

[PurpHerbison]

Games on both consoles will look just fine. This is not a deal breaker what so ever. The only deal breaker is Microsoft and Microsoft alone.

[tearysquid]

Dear Microsoft.

I hope you read all of these comments. I'm sure you have a department that does. I'm not someone who usually comments but after months of broken belief in the Xbox one brand I can't take anymore. I have been a huge and loyal fan of everything 360 since the start. I'm going to do to you now what many others have already done and rightfully so. I will not pay a huge amount of money £500 with games to have inferior versions of the games I love. My next move is to cancel my Xbox pre order. I'm not ready to accept a Sony machine as a replacement just yet especially after being fuel to the fire of a crazy hate campaign of which the people involved really must get a life. Let Sony have the next gen market and good luck to them. Microsoft on the other hand have let all of us loyal fans down with bad planning, backtracking and have dug their own grave. So they deserve defeat. I will be sticking with my 360 until end of life probably just to reminisce on the good times. I have turned my back on Microsoft and it's vision or should I say changed vision and I don't believe damage control is possible at this point. The evidence is all to clear. If you enjoy your games its more money for less. NO Thanks. Pre order cancelled!

[jakehammer]

Am I the only one who isn't a graphics whore?

[optimus]

I really don't get why resolution would be a "deal breaker" for anything. To this day i'm dumbfounded by people that want to make that argument as if running at 720p somehow cripples the game to the point of making it unplayable...

besides, it's not like the xbox-1 isn't capable of displaying 1080p, it's just that this particular game (and a few others) does not...so isn't it in the hands of the developer to make it 1080p? Why blame the system it's running on? If resolution was such a big deal then why isn't everyone flocking to pc gaming?? How in the world did the Wii manage to sell so well with such crappy resolution?, oh the horror!

I don't know, maybe it's just me. I'm a simple guy that has an sd satellite receiver on an hd tv and never owned a blu-ray player, yet somehow i still manage to enjoy everything i watch...go figure.

[1nsomniac]

When you add common sense to your argument though, the very simple reason for being annoyed is people are paying £450 for the console & £65 for the game when they can get the exact same experience for just £45 in total on their current console.

This may be all well & good for some people who will just decide to spend that £45 instead of £515 but it doesn't help the people who pre-ordered it based on the point blank lies that they were fed in the build up to release of their new groundbreaking 'Next-Gen' tech & features...

I agree it's always best to be happy with what you've got but being promoted & sold on something mainly at least in recent months by Microsoft themselves claiming it IS 1080p & looks "beautiful on Xbox One" even though its neither of those things & than massively over charging you at the very same time is surely a deal breaker for anyone, surely it has to be!??

In my book Microsoft & Activision deserve each other - They're the perfect match of inadequate, lazy, corporate, liars!

[optimus]

My common sense tells me that even if i did buy it for next gen it would STILL look better than current gen and that it's the developer's responsibility to take advantage of the system's capabilities which IS capable of displaying 1080p so it would not factor into me not buying the system simply because one particular game did not use it's full resolution.

[Gamer666]

I have seen the videos and games on both consoles look amazing. Is one better than the other? OK... But the vast majority of gamers won't even notice. 90% of gamers won't even know what the games look like on the other console.

[theAMC1981]

@gaffyh

I understand and have read many times that the PS3 was hard to work with, but the point of me bringing this up was because people still use the whole power thing as a reason to say another console will suck. Power doesn't mean much if you don't use it in your games. God of War 3 was 720p and is the best looking PS3 game (to me, maybe not to you) that showed just how powerful the PS3 could be. That game blew me away! Not a lot of games have done that in many years. It was stated that working with the PS4 is easy this time around, and working with the One is easy, but not as much as PS4. I see the low resolution and poor frame rates as just the developers have no clue how to work with everything the Xbox One has to give just yet. There are some added additions like eSRAM, but in time they will figure it out and games will look better and run smoother than before.

So now the Xbox One cost $100 more than the PS4, but gives the buyer a bit more in Kinect (even if you don't want it), but if they add better features, instant gratification like Sony did in content, then cost probably wouldn't matter because it is about what they can bring to draw people to their console.

Microsoft is America more because nobody else really cares for the Xbox; they just look at it as a horrible console. Japan is a big one, so there isn't no reason to try. It would be wasting money to ship consoles to places that don't really care. If you want to make money for your business then you will keep it where you can make the most.

It isn't fair to count countries that don't even care about what you bring whether they play it or not.

Sales are sales, so whether someone wants to buy something again doesn't make a difference. It seems so reverse to me though; people will buy a console that breaks down over time. People saw something in the 360 to want it over and over. I had two die on me before I got my S model. I think Xbox Live, in how good it ran, helped bring many people back and of course some of the blockbuster games that is known for awesome multiplayer.

As for the updates killing a console, yes, it is true that you can fix the PS3, but nobody wants to go through all that when it is from updating. Hardware issues are one thing, but to have something update and then harm your console is horrible and these are from Sony themselves. Sometimes those consoles can't be fixed if you don't have the money to do so.

All in all... it is too early to say Xbox or PS4 sucks, or can't do something.

What are you guys currently playing, and if you have 360, PS3 and Wii U, what are you playing on each?

I'm currently going back to old games and trying to beat them before next gen. Xbox: Gears of War 3 PS3: Killzone 3/ I never beat these games.

[SilentGuard]

"why, given the £80 premium, has Microsoft failed to provide a machine capable of offering the same performance - a reasonable performance - as its rival?"

The answer to this question is simple. MS decided to spend so much effort developing Kinect 2.0 and inlcude it in every console so that in order to keep costs down used cheaper components for the console. Kinect took precendance over creating a console powerful enough to compete with Sony.

The XBone is not the hardcore gaming machine the original Xbox was or 360 started out as. It is an entertainment device MS wanted to appeal to casuals and core gamers. In the end, the high price will push away casuals and weaker specs will push away core gamers. Jack of all trades but master of none. The arrogance of MS, like Sony with the PS3, meant they thought they could sell us anything after their success with the 360. Kinect has been the bane of the Xbox brand since it was introduced.

[BobBelcher]

saw the BF4 footage... not concerned.

[Mister_Dawg]

People have selective memories on N4G.

PS3 games looked utter donkey balls for a few years before devs got a handle on how to best use it's resources.
We'll forgive (or forget) that one hey?

[Jamaicangmr]

Both systems are X86 now basically the same CPU. The PS3 and Xbox360 were hugely different machines with one using split XDR and GDDR3. You know let me stop there.

Trust me it's a far different situation from PS3 and Xbox360.

[Mister_Dawg]

Hey there, you don't have to come across all sarcastic about the obvious differences between ps3 and 360.

I totally agree with you about those big differences. But to try and suggest the XBO and PS4 are similar is not the case. The cpu might be pretty close but that's where the similarities end. Everything else is highly customised. And that doesn't even take into account the huge difference in the way the hardware is being used via software. Let me stop there ;-)

[purp13m0nk3y]

Sorry, double post

[purp13m0nk3y]

@ all the people who are on about the eSRAM being a good thing.

It's one of the biggest issues. It was a band aid solution to the bottle neck created by the use of DDR3 ram for the system. Its fast yes, but there is nowhere near enough of it, and it creates unnecessary complexity for developer to deal with.

Basically eSRAM = fail

It will always be a hindrance and a bottle neck, no matter how "experienced" developers get with it.

A single chunk of fast unified RAM always > split pools of slow/fast RAM

[Izzy408]

I hate to beat around the bush so i'm just gonna be straight forward and say it: yeah, the PS4 has the edge in graphical power, but i'm still gonna buy the X1 and I could really careless about what anybody else thinks.

I'm not getting the X1 because I believe it will deliver the best looking games, I'm getting the X1 because I enjoy keeping up with my favorite sports teams and multi-tasking while playing a game, watching netflix, or regular tv.

Am I making a mistake by buying an X1? Based on my priorities, probably not. But the way I see it is, the PS4 isn't going anywhere; so if for some reason the X1 isn't cutting it for me in the future, I figured I could always make the transition for $100 less; no biggie.

[Mister_Dawg]

More power to choice and personal preference.