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Why Xbox One's 720p problem is the biggest deal-breaker yet

VideoGamer: "For a long time I've accepted Microsoft's rhetoric on the power of Xbox One. I've gone along with the talk about balance; I've acknowledged the promise of Cloud technology; and I've empathised with its frustration over the ongoing community backlash."

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allformats3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

It is. Soon we'll be in 2014, 720 gaming in such a modern world, on a games console that will be around for the better part of ten years, and a console that's sold at $100 higher than it's more powerful, 1080p capable competitor, is simply unacceptable, and you'd be blind to think otherwise.

slimeybrainboy3830d ago

I still think that this is being blown out of proportion. Devs only found out the final specs this year. Engines arent really optimised for next gen consoles yet.

I think this highlights that the PS4 is more powerful, but I dont think this means that the XB1 wont be able to 1080p 60fps in future multiplats. Didnt alot of devs say they were shocked by the PS4 GDDR5 announcement in Feb? And dev kits were only finalised a couple of months ago.

As developers get a hang of the XB1 hardware they'll be able to get alot more out of it. Look at the PS3 launch games compared to GTAV.

The Meerkat3830d ago

But then PS4 devs will improve too.

They might not add more pixels or fps but the PS4 devs could add better lighting or AA.

There is no way anybody can put a positive spin on this news without looking like they are employed by MS

theBAWSE3830d ago

@slimeybrain

well doesn't that goes for ps4 as well? Sony changed the specs so devs are not used to its architecture either and yet.... it's pushing DOUBLE the pixels of xbone

this will not get better as devs get used to both consoles the gap will widen as the ps4 is that more powerful

shivvy243830d ago

I see why it wasn't called the xbox720
/s
@slimey, I kinda do agree with you but I doubt theres gonna be much of a difference on resolution once optimised

AsimLeonheart3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

Both consoles are starting at an equal footing right now. There is no doubt that Xbone will improve over the years but so will the PS4. It is just like two brothers ageing together. When the 5 year old reaches 10, the formerly 10 year old is already 15. The little one will never be able to catch up.

vigilante_man3830d ago

Now we know why they didn't name the new console XBox 720!!

In 2-3 years the tools will be there to get the XB1 as close to where the PS4 is now as possible. By that time the PS4 tools will be even more advanced.

The PS4 has the raw power. It will always be ahead in terms of graphics. Lets get used to this right away and move on.

Now we know, we can focus on the most important thing - the GAMES!

scofios3830d ago

Dudes calm down you can soon buy 1080p dlc on live .
Or 1080p if you are gold :-)

4Sh0w3830d ago

"But then PS4 devs will improve too."

So, but why are we pretending 2 lower res games mean that X1 cant do 1080p its whole lfetime, besides the fact that there are already 1080p games on the console now?

Crazay3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

I find the # of disagrees comical.

You're absolutely right. PS3 was notoriously difficult to develop for but developers figured it out with time and the system benefited greatly for it. The same will happen here, for both systems even.

tigertom533830d ago

I love a lot of things about Microsoft but I agree with what this person wrote Sony has sealed my purchase first this generation. maybe down the road I will look at Microsoft with price drops and new sku for what exclusives they might have....

tigertom533830d ago

Xbox should of been easier to develop for being X86 processor and the architecture similar to xbox 360 im not sure how much more they can improve this generation, it seems like a slightly better xbox 360 with a little bit more cpu power and ram...

bcrazy183830d ago

I agree with you. I've stayed this before, the PS4 is easier to code for and the devs just recently got the finalized dev kits.

@ The Meerkat and theBAWSE.... Yes it does mean the PS4 will ass well but the Xbox One had more to gain than the PS4 so the improvement will be more with the Xbox One over time.

Stick893830d ago

The comparison of Xbox One to PS3 when it comes to programming isn't very good. The Xbox One's architecture is for the most part identical to the Xbox 360's (everything is just bigger and better of course) yet it's specs when compared to the PS4 are lacking and there is no denying that, there is no secret sauce here for developers to figure out. The PS3 on the other hand launched with a totally unknown architecture and was arguably on par or better than the 360 spec wise (except for not unifying the RAM). Once developers figured out how to code for the PS3 they were able to create games that matched what 360 could do, and in terms of exclusives look better than anything 360 had.

TLDR:
Xbox One architecture isn't new, no secret formula.

PS3 had a totally unique architecture and therefore had room for growth as developers learned it.

Apples to oranges.

NewMonday3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

@bcrazy18

actually the upside is even bigger on the PS4 because future games will tap into GPU compute and developers will let themselves loos with the huge RAM bandwidth.

boneso823830d ago

Current PS3 owners are going to buy a PS4, if and when they upgrade. A significant percentage of 360 owners are going to buy a PS4, if and when they upgrade. A percentage of 360 owners are going to buy an Xbone, if and when they upgrade. That percentage of 360 owners moving to Playstation next gen are what is going to make the difference in sales, because nobody already in the Sony camp are going to convert to a more expensive, less powerful and most importantly, unfamiliar and unliked piece of hardware from a company they are not familiar with who have dug themselves a very very very deep hole. It's only a matter of time before they are buried alive in it.

gaffyh3830d ago

It's actually quite a well thought out article, and you can tell the writer is genuinely frustrated at the fact that MS has blatantly lied to everyone up to this point when it comes to the power of the system when compared to the PS4.

Major Nelson said he was looking forward to the truth coming out. I bet he regrets saying that now...

UltimateMaster3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

@People saying Xbox One will get better with time.

No doubt it will.

The PS4's GPU is still superior, meaning they can push graphics even more so than the Xbox One can.

It's not some foreign architecture that's hard to develop for, maybe it is in the case of the eSRAM but that's it.
3rd party developers made almost identical games last gen because they did not want to bother to learn the Cell, but first party made good use of it.

Now, not only will first part devs make good use of it, but so will 3rd party and it's already showing. Some sites say you can only increase the performance of Gb/s by 40 with the eSRAM, with the 68Gb/s of DDR3, it makes around 105/110 GB/s as opposed to the easier GDDR5's 176Gb/s.
Other sites say it can reach 200Gb/s in total, but it's still not that significant.

First one, 110 VS 176, X1=62% of the Ps4
Second one "max optimization in some future", PS4=88% of the X1
(This comes from somewhataccurate.com, just the name of the website makes me feel like, meh.)
That's if they even use the eSRAM, 68 VS 176, X1=38% of the PS4.

And that's before we count in the GPU PS4 50% > X1.

So yeah, if everything were already optimized maybe it would be a bigger debate, maybe not, but developers are hating the eSRAM because it's too complicated. So, your call.

theAMC19813830d ago

Both consoles will improve, but how much, nobody knows. I just don't think people should rule out Xbox One so fast. We can see that the PS4 is more powerful (on paper), but so was the PS3. It depends on what they bring to the platform. How can a system (360) have a 50% fail rate, but still stay on top for 32 months? I'm sure Xbox will be worth it as well as PS4 will be.

I can't wait to see the next God of War.

If nobody can put a positive spin on this news about the resolution without sounding like they are employed by Microsoft themselves then the person who thinks this is a reason to not get a Xbox One is employed by Sony. There is no way that the Xbox One will suck (really people... suck?) as people say who have never played it, but seem to follow what other people say.

A game system hasn't really sucked for years
The CD-i sucked. Virtual Boy sucked.

The RROD was a horrible situation, but at least people got to play theirs for a few years, but the PS3 had updates that killed off the system completely (an update!) a lot of times if you didn't update, you couldn't experience some better features until you did. That is scary. I'm glad I never had a single problem with updates though. Let's just hope things are better this time.

We finally got some PS4 games at my job and I instantly got hyped. We got a Xbox One demo too, but can't set it up which is killing me. People need to be experiencing these consoles and we need to set up the damn kiosk.

gaffyh3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

@theAMC - "We can see that the PS4 is more powerful (on paper), but so was the PS3."

Difference is, PS3 was A LOT more difficult to code for than the Xbox 360. Which is why nobody other than Sony devs were able to fully take advantage of the system. This time round, PS4 is as easy, and looks like it is in fact easier to code for than the Xbone. I said it months ago, this would most likely mean better looking third party games on PS4 vs Xbone, and looks like I and a lot of others, were right.

"It depends on what they bring to the platform. How can a system (360) have a 50% fail rate, but still stay on top for 32 months?"

Simple, price. Xbox 360 has been $100 or more cheaper than the cheapest PS3 for the entire generation. The other thing to make note of is that this is in America, which MS has focused on this gen and most likely will next gen. Worldwide, PS3 has been outselling Xbox 360 for a while now. The final thing to remember is that some of those 360 sales are from consoles that have failed or been banned, so people buying multiples. I have 1 failed one out of warranty myself and have 1 working one.

If your system gets bricked, it is actually fixable, as it is a software issue. RROD and YLOD are hardware issues, much more difficult to fix. My PS3 has never gotten bricked by an update.

SilentNegotiator3830d ago

"Engines arent really optimised for next gen consoles yet"

Didn't stop developers on Ps4.

UltimateMaster3829d ago

All consoles will do their best to push the graphics.

LocutusEstBorg3829d ago

10 year old PCs with a fraction of the power of the Xbox One ran games at 1080p.

Ps4Console3829d ago (Edited 3829d ago )

Yeah they did find out this year & the same time as each other but the Ps4 can run at 1080p but the Xbox one can't explain .

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AsimLeonheart3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

I wonder where are all those Xbone fans that said that the developers will program for the lowest common denominator and the PS4's potential will be wasted anyway so it does not matters if the PS4 is a "little" more powerful. They were so horribly wrong.
Now we see that the PS4 is much more powerful and its potential is being utilized.

BF4 PS4 = 1600x900 = 1,440,000 pixels
BF4 Xbone = 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels

PS4 is pushing 56.25% more pixels than Xbone!

CoD Ghosts PS4 = 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
CoD Ghosts Xbone = 1280x720 = 921,600 pixels

PS4 is pushing 125% more pixels than Xbone!

The better textures, lighting, anti-aliasing and frame rate to boot are a completely another matter. The fact is that the PS4 is simply much more powerful than the Xbone and once the Santa Monica and Naughty Dog games are revealed, we will truly understand the difference in power.

Elit3Nick3830d ago

you have to realize that resolution is only a certain part of the game, just because BF4 PS4 version has 56.25% more pixels, does not mean that it's more powerful by the same amount, assuming that both were using the same everything(textures, lighting etc.) it would mean that it's about 20% more powerful. But the fact here is that the BF4 X1 version IS using better textures, I mean not marginally better, but multiple comparisons confirm this, the difference is a bit smaller, not to mention that they are still working out the ESRAM means that gap might close even more. Not saying that both will have identical performance at their max, but the difference between the two is much smaller than most people here like to think

McScroggz3830d ago

@Elit3Nick The Xbox One isn't using better textures, Infinity Ward just simply increased the sharpness. Well, that's what it looks like to me at least. Based off of everything I've read about game design the game with the lower resolution isn't going to have better textures - that's backwards.

The Xbox One's version has it's sharpness and contrast tuned higher with weaker overall visual effects. There isn't a huge difference for people who aren't sensitive to these things (For the most part I consider myself among them), but this idea that the lower resolution versions of games will have better textures, etc. is just a farce.

AnteCash3830d ago

You dont need to w8 for ND or SM ,Gameinformer already sed that Order 1886 is the best looking game they have ever seen.

TristanPR773830d ago

Agree with you. What is shocking here is the extreme denial that the xbox community have, they even believe that an inferior version of a game will look better than the superior version.

cell9893830d ago

@Elit3Nick extreme denial, I get what youre trying to say, but you seem to emphasize your point way overboard, like youre trying real hard to let people know the xbone isnt that bad, when in reality I think it is.

I bet the PS4 version has (for the mist part) been done, and it was the xbone version Infinity Ward had to really optimize to get it running at 60FPS. HAd they spent more time optimizing the PS4 version we would have better lightning, effects, and AA as well. That extra horsepower was just used to bump the resolution.

I picture developer nightmares with the xbone SDKs

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Sayai jin3830d ago

This will be a deal breaker for some of the core. While having the best graphics appeals to some of us most of the base which makes up the casual which is the majority of the market are not really going to compare graphic specs side by side. Casuals on the other hand are going to go with brand name and/or price and errr availability. The PS4 has the upper-hand on price. MS is missing an opportunity to have a matching or cheaper price point.

All in all what does this really mean....if you want to play games that are only on the PS4 then they'll get a PS4 and if you want to play games that are only on the XB1 then they'll get a XB1.

boing13830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

Word of mouth is enough for MS to be worried. And this is just the beginning.

5eriously3830d ago

@Sayai jin

THUS if you want the best of both worlds then play the best games on the PC and the best exclusives on PS4. Than that makes the eXB0Ne an eXN0Ne and totally redundant in my books. I will look at the eXB0Ne in future purely for the Kinect2 experience unless the Kinect2 also becomes available for the PC.

MynextGen3830d ago

Denial and your Ps4 wont be around that long remember we have games you don't we have dedicates servers you dont we have money you don't

Aww no Hdd support and lots of other stuff not coming at your launch lmao

LoveOfTheGame3830d ago

I'm more of an Xbox guy, but this goes to fans of both sides:

Don't use the word "we" to describe the community you are a part of. It just comes off weird as you are most likely not a part of that company.

InTheLab3830d ago

There's dedicated servers for PS3 games.

Internal HDD is still a thing.

MS has money but not to burn on a failed launch or yet another failure like the first Xbox, RRoD, zune and eventually surface.

You also only have Forza and DR3 for launch. Titanfall is multiplat and coming in March. The other games you have look and perform better on another console.

TristanPR773830d ago

PS4 have HDD replacement and xbone don't.
PS3 have dedicated servers
Microsoft have money and yet they have never won a console generation while Sony have won 2 console generations and have the best console of history, the PS2.

Don't force it, accept it and die in peace.

Funnymonkey0133829d ago

Have fun with ur weaker gimmicks cable box while we enjoy games the way they r made to look best on PS4:)

SonyKong643829d ago

wow.. please don't breed = /

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IcicleTrepan3830d ago

It's not a 'cancel pre-order' type of deal breaker for me as I have both preordered. What it is for me is a 'looks like I'm buying all multiplats for PS4.'

LackTrue4K3830d ago

Some people want to take full advantage of there set ups!! 1080p large tv/surround sound, nothing wrong wanting a system/console that can take full advantage of there sick setups.

tigertom533830d ago

still Microsoft will have 2x better audio processor, but will suck in the graphics

Shnooze3830d ago

@tigertom53

Audio.. Processor? Don't you mean sound card?

IRON883 3830d ago

I don't really understand why is it only 720p? I mean come on we're on the door step of next gen and Xbox drops this brown bag of flaming poop on us??? Not cool

ambientFLIER3830d ago

Microsidt didn't develop COD ghosts...so why the hell are you blaming them? BF4 looks better and has WAY more going on, so obviously the console can handle better graphics. Forza is 1080p/60fps bative...

tigertom533830d ago

Microsoft F**k up the GPU....

ziggurcat3830d ago

@ ambient:

IW not being able to get CoD @1080p native on xbone means one of two things:

1. the hardware isn't strong enough (which is why you could blame MS).

2. the people at IW are awful programmers, and should probably just stop making games altogether if they can't get native 1080p @ 60fps (and CoD isn't necessarily known for taxing the system, graphically) on a console that is at least 10x more powerful than current gen tech.

xbone supporters are probably now seeing what PS3 owners had to deal with early on in this generation's life cycle - bad ports from lazy devs. we're even starting to see "bu-bu-but xbone is more difficult to program for" excuses (which i've always thought as being lazy talk from devs, even on PS3) coming from the xbox camp, and esram isn't exactly new tech, either...

cell9893829d ago

@ambientFLIER: you really got to stop using Forza as an example of supreme graphics, the game runs on a lot of old gen tech, Forza is more of a xbox360 port for xbone, which is why its able to achieve 1080P/60FPS a lot of smoke and mirrors on that game. Ryse is still the best visually impressive game xbone has

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T23830d ago

Show me exactly where any developers stated xbone is hard to develop for and is not simply lower in power .

^wow quite a graphic , thats crazy

Darrius Cole3830d ago

It took me a few minutes to realize that the PS4 screen is the black space. i thought it was background wallpaper.

IRON883 3829d ago

Yup that's a great point buddy good job

SL1M DADDY3830d ago

It's a shame to think that the Xbox team has been resting on their laurels like this. It all feels like the last launch in reverse. I wonder if MS will be able to pull themselves up from this much like Sony did the last gen.

devwan3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

The xbox team haven't been resting on laurels - they're been working hard to create the system and ecosystem they were tasked with - al all-in-one living room box. Not a games console. People inside the xbox team apparently made plenty of comments and suggestions regarding the direction, policies and focus of the platform - but it's the suits in charge and they prioritised TV and TV content over gaming (apparently investing more money in this than gaming). They took gaming and gamers for granted - that was a given for them, they already had them in the bag. They wanted 10x the audience and it looks like they'll have to settle for only a fraction of what they thought they had and no more.

Warrick3830d ago

WHO CARES TELL ME WHEN YOU NOTICE A DIFFERENCE IN GRAPHICS! plus cloud is awsome fixes glitches also better lighting and better graphics on game. xbox spent 700million PS4 spent 380 xbox. Cloud is next generation gaming and Microsoft knows it enough said.

T23830d ago

Even if it wasnt a big deal now , it will be . My new prediction is xbox two aka xbox 1080p drops in 4 years

strickers3829d ago

That is a wall of babble.

Funnymonkey0133829d ago

Dude u must be blind the cloud does not make games look better all it does is make better al. And slightly better connection on games that's it. So how about u start reading what things r and do before writing something that isn't true really people like u r laughable fanboys.

SonyKong643829d ago

can't wait for puberty can you? it'll come, literally = )

IRON883 3829d ago

It is a big deal the Xbox one is suppose to be the next gen gaming system but they don't want to move up

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LAYLOW3830d ago

Channeling my inner IVERSON . " What are talking about COD ? COD ? we are talking about COD ! COD....? not a REAL 1st party Game that we all love and wait for with infinite anticipation ,no not that ,we are talking about COD ! COD ? We are talking about COD ....CALL OF DUTY ,CALL OF DUTY PEOPLE ,CALL OF DUTY!! Seriously ? We are talking about COD ? Not a actual game that we here about in development for years and we cant wait to get our hands on for a years before its launch,no not that ,weare talking about CALL OF DUTY? Man who gives a fuq if that shitty game 480,720,1080 .....its COD !! Call of duty people ........call of duty!! Blahahahahah!!

devwan3830d ago

We are talking about only one of a very few multiplat games we can compare directly on both platforms. Laugh all you like - it'll continue as more and more multiplats arrive to both systems.

Foxhound9223830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

Wait....what game is it? Call of what?

OT: Still this is no excuse, and the fact that it is call of duty kind of goes against what you are saying. Cod is in no way shape or form a next gen game. It's not a hard game to run in terms of processing. If current generation games can run it, then there should be no reason why the x1 can't. If they can't get a simple copy and paste, simple game to run on par with the ps4, then what can they?

jmc88883830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

Actually so far we're talking about multiple games, and expect it to be HUNDREDS of games by the end of the generation.

It does matter, because at 1080p, you can better see the camping snipers in the distance. Or some guy trying to hide somewhere.

It definitely means something.

Every bit the ESRAM leaves on the table, increases the ~50-400 percent power difference the PS4 holds over the Xbox One.

If you had two cars racing, one had 300 HP, one had 500 HP, which one would win? Easily the 500 HP. But what if besides this raw advantage the 300 HP car also had a wonky fuel line, which might only give you only 1/3 flow on fuel? The 500 HP car would thrash the 300 HP car by far larger margins.

ESRAM is going to be an issue in EVERY GAME. It's something that more experienced devs, in yearly franchise type settings, will get somewhat better with it, but it will always be an issue. As for the medium and indie devs that might not have quite the same time, money, and talent? They're screwed. Which means xbox one owners are screwed.

H0RSE3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

@allformats

Some of you seem to be extremely naive or overambitious with this arbitrary idea that 1080p is a "must" for next-gen. You guys really need to understand that although the console are "next-gen" (largely just a buzzword with no definitive meaning) they are still just $400-500 devices, not high end PC's. Some of you even go a step further, and include 60fps in your "demands," as if it's such meager feat to fulfill...To expect nothing but "the best" across the board on such a medium, is pipe-dreams.

I don't doubt that games will release in 1080p, as some games already are, but every single game? Get over yourselves. If such high-end quality is of the utmost importance to where you "demand" that games play a t 1080p, or even worse, 1080p/60fps, as seems to be the case with many, than you should playing your games on the best hardware available - PC. If you choose a lesser medium, than you should except a lesser quality product, it's really that simple. You can point the finger and cry "PC elitism," but really it's just being rational.

Graphics or resolution alone is not some guideline to base whether or not a game achieves "next-gen" status, and if you think otherwise, then quite frankly, you're wrong. If none of the next-gen games achieved 1080p, they could still easily qualify as next-gen, due to other aspects, whether it be to techniques like AA or AO, more content and features available, new, innovative ideas, higher framerates, higher poly counts, and even sharper visuals. Yes, a game running at 720p, can look sharper than a game running at 1080p. BF4 is a good example of this. Is it running at 1080p? No, not on either system, but both versions are running at 60fps, and have 64 man servers. That is an example of "next-gen" in gaming, despite lacking 1080p resolution.

If it's just pretty games running at a smooth framerate that is needed to justify your purchase, then again, you are on the wrong platform, since we have been achieving this for years on PC.

As for the arguments over X1's perfroance/graphics and it being "more for less," these arguments are misplaced and inaccurate, due to the fact that the extra cost is largely due to the inclusion of the Kinect, NOT due to the claim that you are getting more powerful hardware. Another aspect is the HDMI-in port, which regardless how useless you see it (along with the Kinect) it's still going to drive up the initial cost, so it would actually be more accurate to claim that you are paying "more for more," since you are physically getting more. Do the PS4 bundles cost more than the regular PS4's? Same logic applies here.

otherZinc3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

You guys sound ridiculous.

You guys are talking about a 3rd party game, that's made FOR LAST GEN CONSOLES.

COD & BF4 is the exact game for the PS3 & 360 that's upped to 1080p @ 60fps, that's it.

However:

Forza 5 is MADE FOR NEXT GEN and is
1080p "native" @ 60fps: Both On & Offline!
With more features than any racing game Ever.

Yet, you guys refuse to acknowledged that Fact!

I ask you haters: where's Drive Club?

devwan3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

"COD & BF4 is the exact game for the PS3 & 360 that's upped to 1080p @ 60fps, that's it. "

Do your homework - BF4 on current gen is nothing like the same game that the ps4 & xbox one will have.

As for f5 made for next gen - that's your opinion. Many people would disagree with that as they believe it's very much built on existing tech.

T23830d ago

The fact that a free game makes you so defensive is hilarious , wait till the forza 5 vs gt6 comparisons come out you will be screaming about how forza wheel treads have blacker blacks

Magicite3830d ago

Now You see why MS said: specs dont matter, its all about games.

HardcoreDaBoss3830d ago

is it really? This is not PC gaming people. we play games to enjoy the quality, not to look at pretty walls and ceilings. I play games to enjoy every exclusive on every console xbox, nintendo, sony. Im what you would call a real gamer... not some fanboy like N4G seems to attract. All I ever hear on this site is wii u is weak, xbox is weak, ps4 iss umm super awesome. If people really care so much about being 1080p at 60 frames then go out and buy a gaming pc and then brag.. but bragging about console specs just makes everyone look foolish and kiddie. I bet most of you have never seen gaming above 1080p with settings maxed out.. If you did you wouldn't be on here bragging about your'e favorite console being almighty

HugoDrax3829d ago

" I bet most of you have never seen gaming above 1080p with settings maxed out.. If you did you wouldn't be on here bragging about your'e favorite console being almighty"

Well said! I have, and let me tell you....my first experience was when Half Life 2 released. I couldn't believe how good it looked, and that was in 2005. I had purchased an Alienware PC, for gaming and design work. This was before I began building my own rigs. Anyhow, if I played The Orange Box today on my PS3/360, it still wouldn't look as good as it did on my 2005 PC.

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grassyknoll3830d ago

Anyone who says it doesn't matter & can't tell the difference may as well stick with the 360.

CRAIG6673830d ago

Are you saying Ryse,Forza 5 etc are able to run on the 360? No. That's why I am upgrading.

Themba763830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

actually ryse started on the 360 long ago and was ported to x1 not a true x1 title.

DoesUs3830d ago

I* think he's refering to the 720p VS 1080p discussion.

Elit3Nick3830d ago

@Themba76 okay that's a stupid argument, there was no working demo of the game when it was a kinect title, so the only thing that got ported over was it's name. Are you so insecure about your choice of first party launch titles that you have to call a game "not a true X1 title" just because of some made up technicality.

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Drekken3830d ago

Titanfall is on PC too, Craig. Settle down.

H0RSE3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

@Themba76

That is a stupid argument...BF4 is a PS3 and X360 game, so I guess the next-gen versions won't be any different, right?

And if your argument is claiming that Ryse started development on 360 and was simply ported over to X1, do you not think that any changes/improvements were made? Do you think they just used the 360's resources and left it at that?

andibandit3830d ago

@drekken

True i wonder why i didnt think of that too, oh yeah i just remembered now.......im not rich

Drekken3829d ago

andibandit, I am not rich by any means but I am a gamer. I have a HD TV, Console, and a gaming PC. The PC was built for like $600. You don't need to be rich.

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jackanderson19853830d ago

except you know different games are coming to xbox one that aren't on the 360

amiga-man3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

Such an obvious distance in power between the two consoles you really would have to be some kind of Halo nut to purchase the lesser more expensive one.

Panello didn't know the resolution he said you really would have to have been some sucker to have believed that.

Why anyone trusts anything M$ says at this point is beyond me.

VENOMACR12273830d ago

Right because Sony loves you and doesnt care about a profit. They always tell the truth. Keep telling yourself that.

"Lesser" system? Because the specs are lower? I guess all the other stuff that it does or comes with that the PS4 doesn't makes it the lesser system.

amiga-man3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

WOW!!! VENOMACR1227

M$ really have got you by the balls haven't they, I feel genuinly sorry for you man

mcstorm3830d ago

But the PS4 is less because it comes with less tech. People seem to be forgetting this. The PS4 dose not come with a camera is only using Bluetooth 2.1 and dose not have a HDMI input.

The Xbox one comes with Kinect 2 which is an impressive bit of kit even if you don't want to use it or not. the one also has WiFi Direct and HDMI input.

The xbox one is also built on Windows RT with Hyper-V and xbox software with adds plus points over the PS4 too.

For me box the xbox one and PS4 are priced right for what they come with and what they offer too.

Its the same with the WiiU.

Power dose not make a console the best you can buy as its the games that sell it and this will be the reason why sales well be good or poor.

Look at the PSV for example the thing is a best but the lack of games is the reason why it is being walked all over by the 3DS. Yet the 3DS sales were not as high as people were expecting when it went on sale as it did not have the software people wanted but since then it has been unstoppable.

No one knows if the sales of the WiiU will pickup or if the PS4 or Xbox one will hit the ground running until a few years into there life.

Skynetone3830d ago

there's a reason why ps4 is using Bluetooth 2.1 because its 90% faster then Bluetooth 4.0 when it comes to input from the controller

Trekster_Gamer3830d ago

well there are the games they have showed that look as good if not better than the ps4. You are a pathetic troll that really needs to
STFU...

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VENOMACR12273830d ago

Pretty stupid quote because a comparison between the 360 and X1 is like comparing a 2000 Camaro to a 2013 Camaro. Sure they share the same name, but the specs are totally different. It's really not that big of a deal. Look at the BF4 comparisons, not that huge of a difference. As developers get more time for games they will improve, just like they do on every system. The games look amazing either way, so to me it doesnt really matter 1080 or 720.

-wub-3830d ago

Of course it doesn't matter to you, you're obviously a fanboy.

andibandit3830d ago

As basic human beings we want whats best. You may have a hard time spotting the difference but you know which one is more powerful.

VENOMACR12273829d ago

@wub

And obviously your a moron. What did I say that was a "fanboy"? Doubt you even know what that is.

@andi

For sure, I know the PS4 is more powerful. Just like the PS3 is more powerful then 360 but if you compare BF4 on PS3 and 360, not a drastic difference.

vigilante_man3830d ago

Of course it matters!

For the past 7 or so years it has mattered to 360 owners that multi-platform games looked very slightly better than on PS3. It mattered to PS3 owners that exclusives wiped the floor with 360 games in terms of graphics (in their opinion).

It mattered to developers that the 360 was easier to develop for (not better, just easier). It mattered to the pro-360 gaming sites (IGN, Eurogamer, to name but 2) that would use any statistic to try and justify better reviews for 360 games.

Now PS4 is much stronger in a very noticeable way and now Sony have proved themselves these past few years with very strong studio games, it all of a sudden does not matter!

It does matter. It always has, and it always will. It matters!

Biggest3830d ago

And that is the ballgame! Well said, vigilante_man.

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Ko_Uraki3830d ago

It matters only in relation to the price. Of course at MS they have to work hard to explain the value of the xboxone. In few words: more hardcore exclusives, more marketing, more games, perfect online...and more applications for kinect. If they don't do it, they have to cut the price as soon as possible.

pompombrum3830d ago

It's more than the price though. For them to consider themselves a next gen console yet still doing 720p is laughable. The price is the icing on the cake imho.

Manic20143830d ago

It's not like they cannot go past 720p, other games such as Forza 5, 2K14, Live 14 etc can do 1080p natively and Ryse doing 900p, but its more likely for the dev's to get familiar with the system and push 1080p by end of next year. The truth is that the PS4 is easier to programme than the X1 hence the difference in resolution.

pompombrum3830d ago

^^^ I do hope you're right. Imho, there should be no excuses for any "next gen" game not to run in 1080p.

H0RSE3830d ago (Edited 3830d ago )

1080p is not some holy grail, official accomplishment that games must meet in order to be considered "next-gen." It is nothing more than an arbitrary technicality cooked up by the community, largely due to moving goalpost mentalities and over-expectations. Games that run at 1080p can actually be "less-gen" than games that do not, based on other arguably more important parameters.

Anyone suggesting that any game that gets released on a $400-500 device, cannot be considered "next-gen" if it is anything less than 1080p, or even more demanding, 1080/60fps, is naive and out of touch with reality, especially considering all the other (arguably) more important factors that can contribute to a game being "next-gen," which is a little more than a buzzword itself, with no definitive meaning.

And for the millionth time - the increased price of the X1 has to due with the inclusion of the Kinect and the HDMI-in port, and nothing to do with a claim that it has more powerful hardware. The increased price has nothing to do with increased graphics/processing power. It's like paying more for a PS4 bundle vs a standard PS4.

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ruefrak3830d ago

It's too funny.
Xbox Fan: "It doesn't do 1080p? Pre-ordered cancelled. I'm getting a PS4!"
PS4 Fan: "It doesn't play MP3s? Pre-ordered cancelled. I'm getting an Xbox One!"

pyramidshead3830d ago

Stuff like that for the PS4 can be updated through firmware though but you can't upgrade hardware like that :x. It is very very odd that they didn't include such basic media capabilities though o.O. I'm glad I had no intention of selling my PS3. Will just use that to play movies off of

ruefrak3830d ago

Agreed. I was keeping my PS3 anyway since I have tons of games still needing to be played. And the more I thought about it, the more I realized I never (NEVER) use my PS3 to play MP3s. I have a stereo for listening to music. And the DLNA thing was always so slow or unreliable for me that I started just putting everything on an SD card and copying it over that way.
So while this news originally had me pissed off, the more I thought about it, the less I cared. But I still want an answer on what kind of video files the PS4 can play. That does effect me.

Biggest3830d ago

I haven't used my console to play music since the original Playstation.

Did Sony say that the PS4 can't play movies? Your comment is confusing, pyramidshead.

". . . selling my PS3. Will just use that to play movies off of"

ziggurcat3830d ago

well, it seems yoshida is listening to people:

https://twitter.com/yosp/st...

KUV19773830d ago

I think they want to push their music-streaming and video-services. Offering ingame-music but forcing you to get music unlimited is just not cool. I'm glad I am not using the ingame-music feature anyway, but missing DLNA really hurts.

avengers19783830d ago

I haven't heard of anyone canceling PS4 preorders because of the MP3 thing though

ruefrak3830d ago

Go read the comments for the FAQ on the PlayStation Blog (US or EU, both are pissed off). It's filled with tons of people all saying they're cancelling or have already cancelled.

T23830d ago

@ruefrak - people just say that because Sony will change policy ... noone cancelled sht .

andibandit3830d ago

I find the dlna thing more important

Drekken3830d ago

Anyone crying about functionality missing at launch for the PS4 is blowing it way out of proportion. People need a history lesson about the PS3's firmware and all of the killer features we received over the years. Sony met everyone's requests with features as long as the hardware allowed it.

We will have streaming and MP3 soon enough. Shu has already been talking about it with the devs.

T23830d ago

This . I still applaud people complain though , they should let their voice be heard ... Sony has always exceeded expectations for media I remember when I downloaded one update and itwas like "ps3 now upconverts dvd to hd " .... I was like wha?! Awesome!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7217h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle4h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18812h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio1h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga4h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21833h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga2h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1017h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos6h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac5h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1015h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic3h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 14h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 11h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 2h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 11h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic22h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9021h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 13h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 12h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 11h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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