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Recap: How Microsoft Redeemed the Xbox One // LevelSave

It’s been quite a few months since Microsoft unveiled the Xbox One to the world, and since that time, quite a lot has changed. This has left gamers more confused then informed. Let’s take a quick look back at the past couple months and see exactly what happened to the Xbox One and what Microsoft has done to fix it.

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Bundi3877d ago

through sheer gaming awesomeness and the power of the cloud.

Maddens Raiders3877d ago

Yeah but the continued rationalisation of a forced camera and additional $100 price tag for a piece of kit with less power, demonstrates that neither Microsoft nor the author knows the meaning of the words "fixed" or "redeemed". Micro is determined to have their way and recoup their Kinect investment, the gamers be damned in the process. Major Nelson stated that forum posters weren't engineers, and that MS couldn't just "flip a switch" to circumvent drm checks, and an always on, required Kinect. All lies and ridiculous confusion.

I'll say it again, the system was not very well planned to be received by the gaming faithful and Sony prematurely forced their hand in Feb of this year. That's why we've seen an avalanche of policy reversals, backflips, and apologies because these contingent issues were never accounted for in the first place. It's as simple as that..

JokesOnYou3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

No Maddens X1 will do just fine, heres why:

"Yeah but the continued rationalisation of a forced camera and additional $100 price tag"

-The camera is welcomed by all who are interested in gaming beyond just a graphic upgrade. Kinect v2 retails for $400 so in fact included in X1 package we are getting a helluva bargain.

"Microsoft nor the author knows the meaning of the words "fixed" or "redeemed"."

All of thr DRM policies have been reversed= fixed. Normal gamers without an axe to grind who really wanted an X1 but were not in favor of those changes are satisfied and will buy an X1=redeemed. It seems its you who does not understand the meaning of fixed/redeemed.

"Major Nelson stated that forum posters weren't engineers, and that MS couldn't just "flip a switch" to circumvent drm checks"

-Thats just simply saying it is a big decision thats OVER HIS HEAD he is just a PR guy but common sense dictates it would require a lot of re-thinking, re-coding and careful implementation of current policy and code at the hardware level, the reversal came weeks later and micro/X1 engineers are likely still finalizing the NEW FIRMWARE CODE for the DAY ONE PATCH/UPDATE its not magic its hardwork and late nights for engineers/coders= So in conclusion it is a FACT that its not just flipping a switch but when you are pre-programmed to think micro is evil everything is a conspiracy and lies to you.

"I'll say it again, the system was not very well planned to be received by the gaming faithful and Sony prematurely forced their hand in Feb of this year."

-A console that launches 1 week after ps4 in the US, 1 week before in most of the big Euro markets, has the better quality and quantity of next gen exclusive games, has actively made small upgrades to specs which is unheard of when you are have production issues and is a console that aims to do more with kinect, tv integration, media and will bring full use of dedicated servers also incorporating the cloud so far in ways no other console has, all this DAY ONE, while a company far less ambitious with its Gaikai service wont even be available at launch, hell I still remember when FCC suddenly became the measuring stick for a console being ready, then we find out X2 passed before ps4, now the guys like you are still grasping a new straws to make it look as if the X1 is rushed meanwhile dony wont even confirm the share buttons youtube uplaod, come to think of it micro has shown and talked about X1's specs and functionality in alot mote detail than sony= if that is not ready compared to their competition then I dont know what is?

ZBlacktt3877d ago

JokesOnYou, such a fitting name, lol. Wow, hook line and sinker they've sold you on a bag of goods. Best of luck with that.

JokesOnYou3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Edit, little mistake I meant "X1" in the last paragraph above.

ZBlacktt, how original, never heard that before but I guess its much harder to debate logically. lol, when in doubt just fall back on "Xbot", "you work for micro", or wait, wait "haha the Jokes On You!" yeah you got me.

AngelicIceDiamond3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@Maddens Hmm that's nice meanwhile.

http://www.videogamer.com/x...

Good news for the X1. So you were saying?

I guess you weren't saying much of anything.

EDIT: @Monday Ok? Your giving predictions and I'm giving you facts so who wins? You can talk down about X1 all you want people are still pre-ordering the console so have fun with your night sweats and stressing over the X1.

Don't worry so much about the X1 focus on PS4. I know this'll be Sony's best console yet.

NewMonday3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

@JokesOnYou

logic says the market rejects the XB1

the only thing going for it is brand loyalty, tainted glasses can make what you want look beautiful and powerful, so you can convince yourself but the majority of gamers don't like what the XB1 has to offer so far.

@AngelicIceDiamond
http://s1199.photobucket.co...

creatchee3877d ago

@newmonday

If your graph holds true, then if PS4 sells 100,000,000 consoles, then the Xbox One will sell about 55,000,000.

That's more than enough to ensure a good online community and continued developer support.

Unless all you care about is sales.

NewMonday3877d ago

@creatchee

good enough for me
a larger market share will give a better foundation for 1st party games to succeed, this will make Sony take more risks.

and the pressure of a small market share will push MS to invest in true exclusive games to win the gamers back, they could get back to the good old days of the TrueXB1 and early 360 years. they should stay under pressure because they will just shift back to timed DLC if you give them the chance.

Deltaohio3877d ago

@jokesonyou
Just FYI the kinect is not $400. Idk why ppl still believe this.
Don't get me wrong I like the X1 over the PS4 hands down. I just don't like how ppl believe crazy things.
The kinect cost "maybe" $200 at best. The $400 tag ppl throw out is actually for a dev kit where the dev gets 2 kinect and a shit ton of support from MS.
Get ur facts straight home skillet.

Google windows for Kinect new dev kit

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ArchangelMike3877d ago

The proof that Microsoft have yet to redeem themselves is borne out in pre-order numbers.

The pre-order numbers suggest overwhelmingly that gamers this gen have (initially at least) sided with Sony and the PS4.

Policy reversals, Fifa 14 bundles, Forza bundles, Titanfall etc etc have not done enough to reverse the low pre-order numbers.

JokesOnYou3877d ago (Edited 3877d ago )

Yeah because a console gen that will last the next 10+ yrs is going to be determined by sold out preorders that are a DIRECT REFLECTION of how many each manufacturer CAN PRODUCE prior to launch that will ALL sellout to a few million hardcore gamers over the course of 1-2 months, thats cool but the other 120+ months what will happen?...oh my bad nevermind preorders is whats most important.

Bundi3877d ago

They have doubled their pre-orders compared to the Xbox 360...sounds pretty redeemed to me.

devwan3877d ago

@Bundi But the xbox one isn't competing with the 360, it's competing with the ps4, so that's irrelevant and clearly one of those kinds of "facts" that gets pulled out when meaningful numbers don't tell the story they wish to portray.

@JokesOnYou 10 years? No chance. If anything the next generation will be shorter than the last and Microsoft aren't going to want to drag on into the 2020s with hardware that already struggles to live with 2012 PC hardware.

ArchangelMike3877d ago

@Jokesonyou

Pre-order numbers are a direct indication of demand. At present there is much more demand for the PS4 than XbOne.

The thing is that increased demand breeds more demend (the Wii is a prime example of this). The higher demand for a PS4 will feedback into the consumer minset, which will have the effect of feeding demand over the coming years.

ZBlacktt3877d ago

Joke, this is becoming a joke. You are aware MS has never out sold Sony at any time right? Even with a full year head start and a worldwide launch in 2005. Now fast forward to Next Gen pre orders and Sony has the most ever in company history. Their message has been clear from the start " All about the gamers and developers ".

PS1 - Second best selling console of all time

PS2 - Best selling console of all time

PS3 - Outsold XBox 360 full year later launch date. No worldwide launch. All of Europe waited until 2007 to get it.

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Retroman3877d ago

"a lot has changed. this has left gamers confused"

REALLY!!! like what gamers??? unexpected casual non hardcore gamers you mean?? only thing MS redeemed is more lies, more advertisement to promote "this is the BEST console since invention of bread" to casual gamer.

jessupj3877d ago

They would have completely and utterly ruined my beloved hobby. I will never forgive MS.

starchild3877d ago

Oh jeez, more ridiculous melodrama from a fanboy.

MS, Sony, Nintendo, AMD, Nvidia and other companies all offer gaming hardware, and you can either choose to buy it or not. No one is holding a gun to your head.

If Microsoft would have come out with the Xbox One with the original features it wouldn't have ruined anything. The people that wanted to move into a digital future on a console similar to what we have on PC would have bought the console and been happy. Those that didn't like it would have bought something else.

What I have to ask is, why do most of the people that "will never forgive Microsoft" just happen to be Playstation fans? You guys already had a thing for Sony and didn't like the Xbox anyway. Most of the people I see making comments like yours are people that I saw making anti-Xbox 360 comments last generation long before the announcement of the Xbox One.

SITH3877d ago

Exactly. They act like they are angry former and loyal Xbox gamers who have suddenly lost all respect for Microsoft and can't understand why you have not. It kills me they have no clue we can see every word they ever say in their comment history.

SITH3877d ago

Lmao, N4g is full of you pretend butt hurt people. You do realize we can all see you comment history!? You never supported Xbox one, and that is clear by your obvious disdain of the Xbox 36o and Microsoft. You never had respect for MS to have anything ruined by them.

Your very first comment on your account.

"360 a better concole?
M$ definitely couldn't sell it's console if they didn't do all the dirty tricks they did. Not saying sony doesn't do the same thing, but in my opinion M$ does it a lot worse and it's just getting personal now.

and by the way, none of the sony customers ever said "who needs duel shock (rumble)". As i recall, they were all screaming bloody murder, demanding it back and sony actually listened to it's customer base.

The 360 is in no way a better console. I... #37.1

2176d ago by jessupj | View comment"

You always been in butt hurt mode. In context of this article, Xbox one would have never done a thing to change that for you.

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yellowgerbil3877d ago

Microsoft redeemed the X1?
that's news to me.

Bzone243877d ago

It's because you get all your gaming news on N4G. Positive Xbox One articles have a hard time getting approved.

yellowgerbil3877d ago

Nope that's not it. I read all the "pos" articles, I am just not so easily swayed, MS will have to go above and beyond to earn back my business after the RROD and all the crap with the new system. Got rid of my 360 in 08 they've not done anything to make me regret that decision

ZBlacktt3877d ago

Again, thanks to Sony for forcing their hand. Otherwise you would still be screwed. That is a absolute fact. Thanks to Sony for bringing the Blu-ray player to video gaming and also wining the format war. Now the X1 won't be held back there either. It really looks like MS has a extremely hard time coming out with new consoles without huge major issues. Years of RROD to all this. Then comes the sorry about that we are going to flip flop on that. If the devil was selling candy that was poisoned and you found out it was poisoned. Called him on it and he said ok I took the poison out. Would you still buy it? That's what all this is really.

Great for the gamers who just love this brand no matter what. But never turn a blind eye to what you really are dealing with here. It's your money after all.

Sitdown3877d ago

My gosh......Sony didn't force their hand; before Sony's announcement at E3 there was already rumblings and complaining, and gamers refusing to turn down basic rules and principles that they have enjoyed since the start of gaming. Did Sony when the dvd war? But somehow dvd made their way into consoles....so guess what, if hd dvd would have one, then most likely it would have been in consoles. What was the huge major issue with the original xbox? Pretty sure purchasing a $500 console is not the same as eating candy that can kill you from an entity bent on destroying you. But since you are using that example.....what us your analogy for Sony and rootkit? What about Sony removing an advertised feature of other OS from a console you already owned? Both of these companies are far from innocent, and I willingly purchase both knowing this.

stuna13877d ago

@Sitdown

In a lot of ways Sony did force Microsofts hand, here's why; if Sony had said nothing one way or another concerning the planned policies they intended to implement, best believe Microsoft wouldn't have been so quick to start reversing their intended vision for the Xbox1, regardless of how low the pre-order were for the Xbox1, because regardless of what anyone including Microsoft could say, everyone was under the assumption that Sony was also going down the same route! The PS4's pre-order wouldn't be anywhere near the level they are now, because the jury would have still been out concerning Sonys plans on policies, thereby not posing a major threat to Microsoft.

At this very moment the Xbox1 would have had the industry in a catch 22 situation! Because they would have been able to dictate the direction of the entire industry. People with too much power, that they use to control and instill fear are called Dictators! The restriction, policies, and demands that Microsoft tried to impose on gamers, developers, the industry as a whole, were nothing short of a "DICTATORSHIP" of gaming.

Here we have those still spouting on about how they wish Microsoft had been clearer on their presentation of their message.....Well here it is! Notice how the popularity of Xbox brand has also ushered in some of the extremist measures and restrictions known to gaming to date!? If Microsoft could monetize every aspect of gaming they would! The always online feature was a means to that end!

What happened to gaming being fun? I'll tell you what happened to it! Microsoft happened to it, now it's becoming more like a costly chore to have fun.

puntthor3877d ago

microsoft is evil! it is the antichrist! sony is pope! I am the fanboy of the sony!

opinska3876d ago

let sony suck your money! funboy

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 2h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle13h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188110h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio10h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning775h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga13h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218312h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga11h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan6h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus235h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv725h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10115h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos15h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-4h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac14h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10114h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic12h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead5h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 23h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 20h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 17h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 11h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 12h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 8h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 20h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 6h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 6h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger3h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 22h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 21h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 18h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 21h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 20h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10113d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218312d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai13d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218312d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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