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Is “GPU Acceleration” Xbox One Secret Sauce

A look at the Xbox One's secret weapon

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xHeavYx3880d ago

So many "secret" weapons, but nothing real, first the cloud, then dGPU, now this. What's next?

black0o3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

another day with another secret in the xbone (-_-)

off topic: M.Cerny never compared Ps4 too x1 or hinted anything about the other camp nor talked in PR stuns

Bigpappy3880d ago

No one asked him. People are always asking are always asking M$ Exec's about PS4 so they answer. Haven't herd them say a negative thing about PS4 yet.

sincitysir13880d ago

Xbox is becoming like the.krusty. crab. All kinds of dear ol secret sauces. Just be.upfront already jeez, they r trying to hard to defend their product every few hrs its oozing with desperation

xHeavYx3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

@Bigpappy
People ask MS because they give info that make no sense, like the latest Neogaf fiasco by Penello

Angeljuice3880d ago

I think this is a bit of wishful thinking really. Another hope to be dashed I expect. The author even admits to being a big MS fan so make of that what you will.

NatureOfLogic3880d ago

Xbox One is weaker than PS4, everyone knows that. Now Xbox fanboys are trying to grasp at any and every little thing to close the gap. MS is releasing a weaker console #dealwithit. Xbox One will have inferior multiplat games, so what. Just play the games and be happy. If you want the best specs and superior next gen multiplats get a PS4 for cheaper. It's that simple.

XB1_PS43880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

While something like this would make very interesting news if true, I don't see it happening. Why would Microsoft keep any secrets about potential speed boosts. They sure did hurry that overclock on the CPU out. No matter what software the XWon runs, the GPU in the PS4TW is more powerful.

Also to all the people above me. This has nothing to do with Microsoft. This article is by Rickey Gibson and Tyler Zdenek. Blame them.

Furthermore, The majority of people commenting on this are Sony fans, not Xbox fans "Grasping at Straws".

NewMonday3880d ago

LOL

that gif is a perfect discription

JokesOnYou3880d ago

No Heavy BigBappy is correct the sony cheerleaders over at neogaf continue making false claims like the yeild problems and manufacturing delays, 50% power mis-qoutes of devs and accuse Penello etc of all sorts of stuff and the guy respectfully answers them and said nothing bad about sony. Truth is sonyfanboys have built a record of caring far more about X1 than X1 folks care about ps4. Its apparent in every specs, games, policy, kinect or business related article to microsoft yet you act naive as to why the guy is speaking out.

denawayne3880d ago

Joke - You couldn't be more right. I'm getting an Xbox One so I only concentrate on Xbox One articles. It's getting ridiculous how many Sony fans comment in Xbox related articles. It's almost like they're constantly trying to justify their decision. Sad really.

xHeavYx3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

@Jokes
Nobody said anything about rumors. I was talking about some of Penello's claims that made no sense from a technical standpoint.
Grasping straws much to defend your precious cable box?
@denawayne
You can say the same about Xbox fans coming up with positive rumors that end up being debunked

ShwankyShpanky3880d ago

@JOY: "accuse Penello etc of all sorts of stuff and the guy respectfully answers" with bullshit.

I've read through more than 15 pages of that 20+ page GAF thread, and people are asking very straightforward questions that Penello refuses to answer. Penello claims the Xbone has a faster CPU... but Sony hasn't released their CPU clock, so people asked how he knew Xbone's was faster. No response from Penello.

Penello said that the 6% clock boost on the CUs resulted in more than a 6% performance boost. People asked how, because that doesn't make sense. No answer from Penello.

Penello said that 50% more CUs on the PS4 GPU doesn't equate to a 50% performance gain for the chip, because there is inherent efficiency losses the higher the CU count. But those efficiency losses don't apply to highly parallel calculations, like with graphics calculations. People pointed that out and asked for clarification. No response from Penello.

(well, there was his "I know a wizard" response ... sorry ... "I know a Technical Fellow and they're super smart and he says it's true.")

And then of course there's the good ol' memory bandwidth issue... with Penello adding the DDR3 bandwidth to the eSRAM bandwidth to get a peak of 272Gb/s. Funny thing about that is that apparently when you run with "MS math," the 360 had higher bandwidth than the Xbone!

"Our peak on paper is 272gb/sec."
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

"Xbox 360 has 278.4 GB/s of memory system bandwidth."
http://majornelson.com/2005...

There are plenty of people on GAF that are familiar with the technical ins and outs of game development and computer science, and they're calling Penello on his spin. Pathetically attempting to label them as "Sony chearleaders" does nothing but heap more sand upon your deeply buried head.

P0werVR3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

^

It's simple.

Sony can't because it's design is final.

Believe me when I tell you that when companies have ANYTHING to claim they'll do so. Since not eve a hint of anything but the specs announced a while back tells you they have nothing else but added features.

Their last conference should hint to you that FACT since it was only Deep Down and PS Vita TV that was announced...

Also, how can you not do YOUR OWN DD and find that they've stated it time and time again that the ESRAM is an upgrade from EDRAM. Two totally different designs and why ESRAM is an integral part of the Xbox One, pointed DIRECTLY at the GPU!

How can anyone debunk anything that hasn't even been proven otherwise?! Consoles hasn't even released, and they've said it'll take overtime for Azure to show it's true potential. Games to look out for are Black Tusk Studio's game, Forza 5 and Sunset Overdrive.

NOTHING HAS BEEN DEBUNKED!

Can anyone prove me their arguments?! This a so called "discussion" board isn't it??

EDIT:

You should leave GAF...and go to beyond3d if you your fuzzy lil' head can handle the technical part.

whoyouwit043880d ago

but jack trentin did it plenty, So don't act like Mirosoft is the only one that is bringing up the competitor.

JokesOnYou3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

@Shwanky
"I've read through more than 15 pages of that 20+ page GAF thread, and people are asking very straightforward questions"

-Some yes but there is a lot of this too:
"Penello just keeps digging his hole ..STHAP"
"Shut up with all this PR nonsense"
"Forty f**king percent! Where's my whiskey bottle?"

"Penello claims the Xbone has a faster CPU... but Sony hasn't released their CPU clock, so people asked how he knew Xbone's was faster. No response from Penello."
-Well its simple here the normal clockspeed for AMD's Jaguar is 1.6 http://www.anandtech.com/sh... sure sony could have upclocked too but they aren't on record stating such with hundreds of sites coming to this conclusion they have never denied it while micro did state an upgraded CPU clockspeed.

"Penello said that the 6% clock boost on the CUs resulted in more than a 6% performance boost. People asked how, because that doesn't make sense. No answer from Penello."
-Wrong he did answer its right in his statement: "Adding to that, each of our CU's is running 6% faster. It's not simply a 6% clock speed increase overall." -Its not his fault if fanboys just say no, no, no you're wrong...prove it.

"Penello said that 50% more CUs on the PS4 GPU doesn't equate to a 50% performance gain for the chip, because there is inherent efficiency losses the higher the CU count."
-Wrong he said "18 CU's vs. 12 CU's =/= 50% more performance. Multi-core processors have inherent inefficiency with more CU's, so it's simply incorrect to say 50% more GPU."= True

"And then of course there's the good ol' memory bandwidth issue"

Not the same comparison years apart and Major is calculating total bandwidth of both I believe which extreme tech outlined years ago with this: "The Xbox 360 has an extensive amount of bandwidth in comparison to its competition; however, this statistic includes the eDRAM logic to memory bandwidth, and not internal CPU bandwidths. The eDRAM internal logic to its internal memory bandwidth is 256 GB/s. The high bandwidth is used primarily for z-buffering, alpha blending, and antialiasing; it saves time and space on the GPU die. Between the eDRAM die and the GPU, data is transferred at 32 GB/s. The memory interface bus has a bandwidth of 22.40 GB/s and the Southbridge a bandwidth of 500 MB/s."
http://www.extremetech.com/...

-Again I think Alberts mistake is engaging with neogaf at all,(I said this a couple weeks ago) they will twist everything he says or just call it PR. I don't think most people there are interested in the actual differences they only just want to hear that the ps4 is a super computer capable of cooking you breakfast.

IRetrouk3880d ago

I keep hearing stuff about the xbox having customised chips and sony having off the shelf parts, didnt mark cerny state that both the cpu and gpu in the ps4 were modified? Look back at the first video of mark explaining the ins and outs of the ps4 for the answer

DoubleM703879d ago

You right it's these Ponies that are saying this %30 to %50 percent. Do you expect that big a difference on $500 hundred dollar machines. The specs and Arch are identical.

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theWB273880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

Specs aside....the games do the talking. I won't refute the difference on paper...IDK.

The comparisons I see and the news put together....it won't be that big of a difference.

PC elitists laugh at people who think the PS4 is a high end PC.

Kinda makes you think then the X1 is so weak it's a WiiU.

Strictly games...it's running every third party game the PS4 is running and devs say there won't be much of a difference.

If only a handful of Sony devs..mainly SSM and ND...really show the difference in power would it be something to keep boasting about?

If a few years down the road the PS4 gets a few extra bumps in detail..yet the X1 gets the core game intact is there anything gamers are missing out on?

Everyone knows the paper specs are great...but actions speak louder than words and the X1 isn't lagging behind. Gamers are getting powerful systems on both sides...even if there is no secret sauce.

@black0o
I could link to IGN saying the PS4 demo was sorely lacking in visuals and was only running 16 players. We could go back and forth about who said what.

I could say the X1 supports DirectX and we know DICE is supporting it on PC....it wouldn't solve or prove anything at this point especially since DICE is adamant about not showing BF running on consoles.

All in all...it's still getting the core game.

black0o3880d ago

example
BF4 on ps4 runs at higher thn 720p
http://www.craveonline.com/...

http://abload.de/img/jackbf...

while x1 runs at 720p

guess what's gonna happen after a year or 18 months

Bigpappy3880d ago

I never get too evolved in the spec's wars. These games are optimized for the hardware they run on. Not everyone has the same power PC yet they all go on 'steam', download what they want and play it. Same will happen here and the results will be even closer.

No if some one was to ask me what I think is X1 biggest feature over PS4, I would have to say Kinect. Kinect is the secret sauce. It is going to sell more X1's for M$ than any single game or feature.

Matching power and graphics only here with fanboy wars. But unique features truly work as a selling tool.

mcstorm3880d ago

@Bigpappy good to here someone not being a fancy boy on here. Im sure people on this site who keep talking about power have only been gaming for ps3 generation. Power has never been the reason why people buy a games console.

Example, Wii, ps2, psx over the last 3 gens had the lest power out of the other consoles in the same generation but they had the games people wanted.

Another example the 360 was the go to console for games at the start of this generation and that a why it sold well but as the generation went on Sony brought out more ips and the ps3 sales picked up.

The start of a new generation is not about power or 3rd party games it about the exclusive games as the cod and bf fans will not be buying a new console for the same game they can gent on there current gen console and the ps3 and 360 still have games like gta 5 and gt6 which are not on the new gen consoles.

Another example is the psv. It is far better than the 3ds in terms of specs but it is lacking the games and this is the reason why its not selling as well as the 3ds.

The next gen is going to be interesting as the ps4, Wiiu and Xbox one all have must own games as of the end of this year but it will be between Christmas this year and next we will are which console the main stream and core gamers want.

itBourne3880d ago

I think this whole power debate is nonsense as well. I mean a high end pc wins out. If you want the best experience get it on pc, end of debate.

The reason to own a console is for the exclusive games, among a few other reasons. 28 of my 37 games on ps3 are ONLY on ps3. I have a few multiplatform games for playing with friends, and the rest are on my pc.

IRetrouk3880d ago

@bigpappy, i disagree, kinect has only sold to a fraction of the 360 install base, i think you are giving it more credit as a system seller than it deserves, i dont think kinect is as popular as you think, i dont think kinect 2.0 would sell any better than the first and thats why its coming in with the system, either way this next gen is gonna be close, i cant wait for all the new games :-)

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2cents3880d ago

To be fair, the only one of those that you list has been actually proclaimed by microsoft is the cloud.

It's all speculation created by people, that gets latched onto and everyone starts discussing it to hell. Then MS will say no its a false rumor.
And then the process starts again.

Its become like a gameshow, a bad gameshow. "And todays rumour will beeeeee....... drum roll.... (insert rumour here).

Elit3Nick3880d ago

What do you mean "first the cloud"? You have to be in total denial if you think that the cloud doesn't exist/work. We already have many examples of the cloud in action, Azure itself is used to provide more processing power to computers, we had onlive which processed complete games all from the cloud, and even Gaikai to some degree.

xHeavYx3880d ago

The funny thing is that you say it's me the one in total denial

Nekroo913880d ago

the problem with the cloud its limited by bandwith , so what xbox fans were thinking its not possible. image countries with low internet speeds they would have breaks on single player games. is that a way to get supporters? No.

hell most part of the world doesent even support internet speeds for that to happen

Regis3880d ago

@Nekroo91 Recently AT&T bought more Speed access from Verizon for 1.9 billion so I will receive in increase in bandwith so I will have better connectivity to said clouds and severs. But sad for Europe who won't receive very good bandwith from both Gaikai and Azure.

testerg353880d ago

Nekroo91, so how does Gaika work? The slower the internet speed, the closer I get to only playing pong?

kneon3880d ago

@Regis

It doesn't really matter how fast your internet might be when most other people still have limited bandwidth.

Dvs are going to limit what the do with the cloud because most people won't have sufficient bandwidth to do too much.

Because there is no guarantee regarding the bandwidth and latency they will mainly use the cloud for non-critical features. It would be silly to expend a lot of effort on something that few users can really use.

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ATi_Elite3880d ago

The next Xbox One secret..........

"There is really a PS4 inside there" LMAO

modesign3880d ago

how about a original title.

Forza3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

Original Xbox was much more powerful than PS2 with its Nvidia GPU and Intel processor and yet most games looked the same and most people couldn't tell a difference.

PS3 was supposedly 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 and yet we didn't see even 00.1x the difference in power. Pretty much no difference at all. If any, Xbox 360 actually ran some multiplatform games better.

I bet millions we don't see any differences between Xbox One and PS4 in graphical capability. They both are gonna look the same even if Xbox One launch games looked better over all. Spec sheets mean nothing in real-time performance. U can look at the differences between latest dual core iPhones vs quad core Androids running at a higher clock speed, real-time performance is what matters. Both consoles use similar APU tech and capable of running games at 1080p max.

PS4 fanboyz need to know about the law of diminishing returns. PS4 spec just doesn't go far enough for an average gamer to see any difference in graphics and overall performance. If people's sole reason is "Graphics" then they will be very disappointed cause PS4 & Xbox One games will look identical. If graphic's is your main concern which in N4G, it seems it is...Just get a f****** high end PC and ur sorted cause PS4 VS Xbox One, u just will not see the huge graphical difference.

Go ahead Sony fanboyz, press the negative button. N4G is filled with Sonyfanboyz. It'll only prove i am right.

xReDeMpTiOnx3880d ago

Not one 360 game technically and graphically outshines last of us. Hell or even gow3 or uc2

Forza3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

@xReDeMpTiOnx

That's ur opinion. I though Gears of War 3 & Halo 4 matched Uncharted 3 & Last of Us in graphics but ultimately the best looking game on console is a multiplatform game...Crysis 3. Simply the best looking game i have seen this generation on consoles and the best looking game ever via PC. GTA5 is also looking like a solid contender for the best console graphics.

I own a PS3 & Xbox 360. I enjoy both consoles, i'm just stating my opinion how i see it.

M-M3880d ago

"Original Xbox was much more powerful than PS2 with its Nvidia GPU and Intel processor and yet most games looked the same and most people couldn't tell a difference."

That's actually pretty false, most Xbox games looked better than PS2 games because it was more powerful.

"PS3 was supposedly 2x more powerful than Xbox 360 and yet we didn't see even 00.1x the difference in power. Pretty much no difference at all. If any, Xbox 360 actually ran some multiplatform games better."

Somewhat false again, not a single Xbox game looks as good as The Last Of Us, Uncharted 2-3, or the upcoming Beyond: Two Souls. 360 ran most mutiplatform games better because the architecture was much easier than that of a PS3.

"I bet millions we don't see any differences between Xbox One and PS4 in graphical capability. They both are gonna look the same even if Xbox One launch games looked better over all. Spec sheets mean nothing in real-time performance. U can look at the differences between latest dual core iPhones vs quad core Androids running at a higher clock speed, real-time performance is what matters. Both consoles use similar APU tech and capable of running games at 1080p max."

PS4 games such as KZ:SF and Driveclub look better than Xbox One launch exclusives, although games like Ryse and Forza 5 look great. There will be differences, people will be able to tell the differences as the PS4 will perform better, but it won't be astronomically huge. Games on both systems will be able to run games(not graphic heavy games) in the middle or end of their life cycles, it's pretty much a given.

"PS4 fanboyz need to know about the law of diminishing returns. PS4 spec just doesn't go far enough for an average gamer to see any difference in graphics and overall performance. If people's sole reason is "Graphics" then they will be very disappointed cause PS4 & Xbox One games will look identical. If graphic's is your main concern which in N4G, it seems it is...Just get a f****** high end PC and ur sorted cause PS4 VS Xbox One, u just will not see the huge graphical difference.

Go ahead Sony fanboyz, press the negative button. N4G is filled with Sonyfanboyz. It'll only prove i am right."

True colors shown, N4G username is Forza.

Lykon3880d ago

Well I'm a Sony fan (sort of) and I agree with you. To some extent anyway. It's true about the law of diminishing returns. i.e. ...it takes a large jump in hardware power for a significant increase in graphics and frame rate. I'm sure there will be 1st party studios who eke out the most from each system. The competition is good for all of us.

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Jazz41083880d ago

Cant people wait till the darn thing is released instead of looking for articles 24 hours aday to bash it and high five one another. This gets really old for people who want to read real unbiased news. Sorry but this is my opinion.

Patm823880d ago

don't forget the 12gig ram lol :)

Trekster_Gamer3880d ago

The games are real you blind PS troll. Look at the frackin games we have seen...

TheXgamerLive3880d ago

Open your eyes little man. Xbox One games look and play better so hmmmm somerhing must be true.

otherZinc3879d ago (Edited 3879d ago )

@xHeavYx #1

What's real is; Forza 5 running 1080p "native" @ 60fps.

See, that's all talk aside! Meanwhile, other devs say "we're running our game well over 30fps": what does that mean?

Talk is cheap, Forza 5 is displaying power on screen for us to see for ourselves!

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XboxFun3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

Excellent article.

A lot of people just copy and paste what they see but don't understand.

Both systems have absolute gorgeous graphics. But we have some on here who just keep spouting DDR Remix!

We will definitely see Xbox One come into it's own further down the line and then this will go the way of RAM, hUMA and the FCC report (Oh, and MS selling off Xbox).

Edit:
So many "tears" from the other camp, what's next?

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gaelic_laoch3880d ago

M$'s secret sauce is 99% BS and 1% Methane

BattleTorn3880d ago

And some blue food coloring to appear like Heisenbergs

Elit3Nick3880d ago

I'm sorry I didn't realize that you own an Xb1, seriously hold your fanboy comments until the consoles actually come out, the fact you say these things is because you're hoping it's not true.

ShwankyShpanky3880d ago

>>So many "tears" from the other camp

From laughing, perhaps.

HeyImBen113880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

What's the next "secret weapon"? Kinect acts like another GPU?

spongeboob3880d ago

Funny you say that, yesterday on GAF someone was joking that a third GPU was in the power brick. LOL

Godz Kastro3880d ago

Its funny how people are going back and forth over this. Waste of time IMO. I say it now and said it all along...look at the games. Both sytems are on par. John Carmack said the same, Ill take his owrd over N4G any day.

These same people will be posting on the day they get their systems. Not enjoying games but rather argue about them. Womp womp...

I cant wait for x1 so I can stop visiting this site for news.

GodGinrai3880d ago

Im with you on that one Godz Kastro. The vibe around here is pretty negative to say the least.Thinking of just reading the news on IGN/eurogamer etc. and staying way the hell away from N4g.

Im getting bored of seeing these articles . We already know the specs of X1..next subject plese. you already know what type of people make up most of the 300+ post on this thread. Not gonna say anything more than that. So dont pay it no mind. I just gloss over the BS comments and I dont give em a second thought.

Elit3Nick3880d ago (Edited 3880d ago )

I've thought so many times of just leaving this site and the fanboys to bicker among themselves but unfortunately there is no other site that organizes all gaming news in one place :/

n4rc3880d ago

Its why I keep coming back... I'm at work in my phone... Having everything in one place makes life easier.. Even if I have to search thru all the bs to get to facts

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7214h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle1h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Cacabunga1h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218329m ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

purple1014h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos3h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac2h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1012h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic30m ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 11h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 8h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 6h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN23h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 1h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies21h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 8h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic18h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9018h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 10h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 10h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 7h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 9h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 8h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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