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Xbox One graphics capabilities, odd SoC architecture, and bus bandwidth confirmed by Microsoft

Here’s the important points, for comparison’s sake. The CPU cache block attaches to the GPU MMU, which drives the entire graphics core and video engine. Of particular interest for our purposes is this bit: “CPU, GPU, special processors, and I/O share memory via host-guest MMUs and synchronized page tables.” If Microsoft is using synchronized page tables, this strongly suggests that the Xbox One supports HSA/hUMA and that we were mistaken in our assertion to the contrary. Mea culpa.

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thetruthx13894d ago

"The underlying architecture is very similar to a super-charged APU with much higher internal bandwidth than a normal AMD chip"

Hmmm things are getting very interesting

4Sh0w3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

Nice deeper look at the specs from extremetech. X1 is customized up the ...! That chip is packing some surprising punch, with stuff like DirectX 11.1+, eSRAM, and the 109-204gb's of improved bandwith has my head exploding, plus no mention of the 8gb flash memory I read on a previous thread or am I confusing myself with something else? Damm its going to be very interesting to see the Digital Foundry bench tests once these 2 monsters release.

thetruthx13894d ago

Yup it'll also have 8 gigs of flash memory. Ms also said they have some things in the Xbox One that they don't want the competitors knowing about

4Sh0w3894d ago

I thought so. Are they purposely keeping some spec info under the radar? I wonder what the hell that 8gb flash memory does?

PrimeGrime3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

@4Sh0w

The internal flash is used to store the new Xbox One's massive OS and firmware updates, also to alleviate space on the non removable HDD. Nothing more, if you are hoping it can free up RAM usage that the OS will need. Well we aren't there yet.

That is just impossible to use flash memory to run the entire OS. PC's can't even currently do that.

So to answer your question that is what they are using it for to store the OS, it will still use a certain amount of the systems RAM to operate.

NextGen24Gamer3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

Developers have been pleasantly surprised by the extra power the xbox one has due to the custom architecture in the xbox one. 8 gigs of ram, 8 gigs of flash memory, 2 extra custom cores for the hd audio, etc....

Here is a quote from the article:

If the cache really is 1024 bits wide, and the developers can make suitable use of it, then the Xbox One’s performance might surprise us.

This technical unveil confirms much of what we suspected about the chip, but throws us for some curves in other areas. All in all, a great session.

slivery3894d ago

@Elite24Gamer

Those 2 audio chips are for the new Kinect and its audio processes.

PrimeGrime3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

Lol I love how many are disagreeing with pure facts. Flash memory cannot be used to run the OS but only to store it.

Why do you think the Xbox One's HDD and internal flash memory are using in conjunction with each other. Simple.

Jesus I am not shitting on the thing.

I am just explaining what the internal flash is used for. What else would be used for then? Since you can't use flash memory like RAM.

Please correct me then don't just disagree.

Lol ever since I got slasher716 or w/e his name is in trouble since then every time I comment. I get one disagree immediately..

Bennibop3894d ago

109 - 204 gb is theoretical bandwidth, this is just Microsoft spin the reality will be around 109 - 150. Sony I am sure could release some theoretical figures too!

kupomogli3894d ago

@Bennibop

Since only the 32MB ESRAM is 204GB/s most of it's going to be 109GB/s. Developers will probably be able to have the 8GB of slower ram not drop the commonly used textures and stuff that's not commonly used might go onto the 32MB first and then drop off the 32MB after it's on the DDR3.

It'll work well if the game is developed well, but the GDDR5 will run at a static speed, so giving developers less of a chance to make a mistake on filtering ram back and forth when there's only one pool to do it.

NewMonday3894d ago

- 8g of Flash is most likely used to store the OS and system resources separately from the HDD, and that is to make it harder to crack.

- HSA/hUMA are not the same, hUMA concerns memory, HSA concerns processing, and the XB1 chip presentation did not state the use of hUMA or HSA or described a process that is similar.

NextGenHorny3893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

Since the 8GB flash memory matches the RAM size, I guess it will be used for some kind of system suspension.
Instead of saving the RAM memory content to disk, it saves it to the flash memory, which I believe it's faster access than an HDD.

Tw1tch3D3893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

@ Bennibop

"Theoretical bandwidth" makes no difference in either consoles, whether it be PS4's 176 GB/s or XOne's 204 GB/s ESRAM.

Sony's PS4 will NEVER hold a rate of 176 GB/s, but marking it at that point shows how much developers can work with. Same thing goes for XOne.

So if 109 GB/s is the minimum and 204 is peak and the ESRAM points to the GPU...well, that goes to show how much the developers can work with and not that they'll have difficulty going beyond 109 GB/s.

The question now is what is the ESRAM used for?!

...and the last question is a hint to Kupomogli on what his meaning of the term "commonly used textures" on the CPU, as if the CPU will be heavily used for graphics?! Doubt that!

@ newmonday

"..hUMA concerns memory, HSA concerns processing..."

Whaaa?!

There is no difference between the two, only that hUMA truly facilitates memory coherency. Do you understand what you post before doing it? Probably a twitter habit, right??

Computersaysno3893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

The architecture is a bit of a mish mash created simply because Microsoft didn't think they could use faster memory in the shape of GDDR5.

In that sense it is overly complicated and patched up to try and help the weakness using DDR3 was going to create for the machine, that is not enough memory bandwidth for serious graphics performance.

We have to remember that is the only reason this complicated memory architecture exists, NOT because it is better than straight up massive chunk of unified memory.

Sony illustrated that they could theoretically have a small chunk of esram with bandwidth on the scale of 1000 gigabytes per second, but this was just not as good as having a large pool of memory with 'only' 176Gb/s.

If these small chunks of very fast on die memory were so helpful to graphics architectures, then PC graphics cards would be chock full of it.

The fact is its still a waste of die space for them. Its still much better to just use the space for extra shaders or TMUs and have a medium sized memory bus with high speed GDDR5.

Thats how every high end GPU still does it. Sony gambled choosing GDDR5 and it has paid off mega stylee. Microsoft have a slower architecture packed with more complex buses and a more difficult chip to get yields on.

Its hilarious really, Microsoft provided the best programming environment with the most straight forward machine in X360, and it worked fantastically for them. Sony created this fiddly machine in PS3 to accommodate their CELL processor and separate memory banks that devs grappled with for years.

This new generation is the ultimate role reversal.

Athonline3893d ago

^To some people above:

HSA is part of the Jaguar APUs' architecture. There isn't ANY way the XBox could have a Jaguar-based APU and not HSA. HSA specifications are set by the HSA Foundation: http://hsafoundation.com/st...
which AMD HAS to implement and as a result, both Sony and Microsoft have to.

hUMA is AMD implementation of an HSA-like solution in traditional Von Neumann architectures X86(and X86-64) PCs to allow a shared memory pool to be used. hUMA is NOT part of the HSA specification and NOT the same. It is like an a poor, incomplete implementation of the HSA specifications, as HSA is NOT possible within a PC.
Similar to AMD's hUMA nVidia is launching Maxwell-architecture GPUs to allow shared memory access.

Both PS4 and XBOne got HSA in their APUs and none has nor needs hUMA.

HSA is an actual STANDARD set by a consortium of companies. hUMA is a MARKETING name for an AMD technology.

If you want, you can enjoy reading "brainless journalism", who try for a bit of internet traffic feed people with false info or incomplete statements.

aceitman3893d ago

the 8 gig of flash was rumored for the interactive ads.

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ma1asiah3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

You got to love this bit s well

"Of particular interest for our purposes is this bit: “CPU, GPU, special processors, and I/O share memory via host-guest MMUs and synchronized page tables.” If Microsoft is using synchronized page tables, this strongly suggests that the Xbox One supports HSA/hUMA and that we were mistaken in our assertion to the contrary"

I mean it doesn't confirm that they actually do but it is more and more looking highly likely.

As for unrevealed details that only makes logical sense. I mean its not like you want to show all your cards too early it is a war after all.

Man that 8 GB of flash memory if they do the same as they did with the X360 by using that for the OS then we could see even more of the pool of DDR3 RAM freed up for other uses.

Plus the hypervisor which can dial up and down resource allocation to where most needed.

Loving the X1 more and more

NextGen24Gamer3894d ago

It's definitely good stuff. I'm with you. I'm loving the xbox one more and more as well. This is what they meant by saying it's rocket science stuff in the box.

It definitely looks like it. MS knew what they were doing all along. That's why they kept saying it's not only about the raw numbers that Sony was throwing out there.

What is even more interesting is they decided not to talk about specifics under the hood until Sony announced their launch date. Just to make sure they didn't change their tech in an attempt to compete.

kneon3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

If they used flash in place if ram not only would it be incredibly slow but it would burn through the read/write cycles of the chip in no time.

The flash is for storing the os or its another form of data cache, basically a mini ssd.

JP13693894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

Elite-
"What is even more interesting is they decided not to talk about specifics under the hood until Sony announced their launch date. Just to make sure they didn't change their tech in an attempt to compete."

Why would Sony need to change tech when they're already ahead?

50% More shaders
50% more texture units
50% more compute units
Twice the ROPS
Better RAM that is easier to get the most out of.
Also has dedicated audio chip

Sorry, MS themselves confirmed 1.3 TFLOPS, while PS4 is sitting at 1.8. No amount of spin and PR buzzwords will overcome that advantage.

juggulator3893d ago

@JP1369
This is a comment thread for an X1 article. Most people commenting here don't care that PS4s specs prove its 50% more powerful(except maybe you and me). To them those specs are "raw numbers" which begs the question, if Sonys PS4 specs are raw numbers then what is all those specs/numbers mentioned in this article?

JP13693893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

juggalator-
" To them those specs are "raw numbers" which begs the question, if Sonys PS4 specs are raw numbers then what is all those specs/numbers mentioned in this article?"

Are you dense? You know exactly what those numbers are.
The reason I commented is to clear up the nonsense that people love to spew in articles like these. Saying that Sony needs to change tech to compete is, in fact, nonsense. Sony fanboys can be pretty bad as well, but I haven't seen as many of them willfully ignore the facts and succumb to hearsay, conspiracy theory and full-on delusion in an attempt to justify their purchase. The One will have great games and I'm sure millions of people will enjoy their experience with it. However, it won't be the most powerful console on the market, not by some margin. There's nothing wrong with that and - until recently - you heard many people in the MS camp say that graphics aren't all that important, yet it seems many of them have changed their tune now that official specs have been released. Unfortunately for them, all the specs do is confirm what we already knew. This is what is confusing and sad and pathetic about the situation; that is has remained pretty much the same, but a certain fanbase is acting as if some game changer just occured. Well, it hasn't. Deal with it.

ma1asiah3893d ago

Could Microsoft somehow have managed to have implemented Fusion ioMemory to work with in the architecture of the X1???? possibly maybe?????

The virtual memory subsystem abstracts logical data addresses from their physical location by creating a directory of data locations. In modern OSs, a 64-bit virtual address space is used to organize and partition data used by the applications and users. Below this virtual address space lays the physical RAM, which has a much smaller address space. Operating systems and applications use this virtual interface to RAM (called the page table) to look up the physical location of data using a directory rather than requiring massive quantities of RAM just to satisfy each application's memory address space.

Similar to page tables in the host virtual memory subsystem, VSL virtualizes Flash via "block tables." VSL translates block requests to physical ioMemory addresses, also analogous to the virtual memory subsystem. It's important to note that these block tables are stored in host memory. This is a key advantage over other solid-state architectures (e.g. SSDs) that store block tables only in embedded RAM, where block tables are accessible only behind legacy storage protocols.

MarkusMcNugen3893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

@JP1369
"Sony fanboys can be pretty bad as well, but I haven't seen as many of them willfully ignore the facts and succumb to hearsay, conspiracy theory and full-on delusion in an attempt to justify their purchase."

Sure they have. Kinect spybox comes to mind. That is a conspiracy theory an full-on delusion that PS4 fanboys have been spouting to defend their purchase of a PS4 and convince others to do the same.

And if not to defend their purchase than to try and convince others to participate in the delusion and buy their preferred console.

Trust me, both sides are guilty. Xbox fanboys defend the Xbox One without understanding the specs and how they compare, and PS4 fanboys attack the Xbox One because of specs they dont understand.

juggulator3888d ago (Edited 3888d ago )

@JP1369

First let's get one thing straight. I've been gaming since playing Asteroids and Pole Psotion on an Atari and have a college degree in level design. I work with game engines like UE3 and CRYENGINE on a daily basis. I know exactly what the specs of boths systems are. I comment on here for recreation, you comment here for a living and I will not be disprespected by some incognito delusonal fanboy.

"50% More shaders
50% more texture units
50% more compute units
Twice the ROPS "

Yes but HOW MANY of each cuz you sound like your spitting out raw numbers. Sony has provided the exact specs of what their CPU/GPU. MS is saying "you may get over 200/gbps depending on whether or not the 32MB of ESRAM is properly utilized" and obviously there are devs that are doing that because Ryse and Titanfall exist and they look damn good.

The sad thing is that I was initially agreeing with you but the "blinders" have obviously blurred your vision. And I won't be issuing or accepting any apologies either. I want to remain as respectful as possible as I know this is a comment thread for an X1 article but I've been a PlayStation gamer for over 20 years and that won't be changing because some article comes out claiming there's "new info" about the X1's architecture when in reality it's stuff that I knew before MS's reveal prior to E3.

I may be able to tolerate being called dense on the day that I exchange my Dualshock for something else, until then I don't f**cking think so.

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PrimeGrime3894d ago

Not trying to rain on your parade but it isn't anything new. I talked about this a couple days ago. Especially if anyone has been reading up on AMD's APU's lately.

Both the PS4 and Xbox APU's are based off of the same high performance technology used in the Kaveri APU planned to be released in early 2014.

The only difference is they are still based off of Jaguar cores and the Kaveri is steamroller cores but its still very new tech none the less.

They are both customized and everyone should be excited if you are Playstation fan or Xbox fan to see what these new APU's bring to the table.

kewlkat0073894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

Nobody has yet to tell me what the 8GB flash ram is for?

I didn't know Microsoft customize that ship so much...
http://www.reactiongifs.com...

The XboxOne might not have the better GPU but if it were a Race car, it would have a more efficient and very very zippy Pitcrew looking at the architecture.

bromtown3893d ago

People have said above - probably for storing the operating system since the HDD is non replaceable. However it's not for running the OS as some people have been saying, a) it's not quick enough, and b) Flash memory has a finite number of read/write operations before it craps out, so running an operating system from it would kill it super fast.

NextGenHorny3893d ago

I guess it will be used for some kind of system suspension, as it matches the RAM size.

Omegasyde3893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

@Bromtown.

Finally someone address that. The OS will be written to the HDD (despite not being able to be removed except by MS).

The 8 gig flash is a bit concerning as even the best quality flash drives have a limited read/write limit.

My guess is it used for storing background permanent information (I.e. "Software licenses") and has an advanced form of anti-hacking encryption on it. This leads me to believe that Major Nelson was right in a sense, that DRM can't be just turned off with a "switch".

IMHO, unless it was retooled for another purpose, the Xbox one might not even use the flash memory because of their reversal of policies after the FCC submission. It could possibly still store licences, but if thats true 8 gigs seems like overkill.

MarkusMcNugen3893d ago

@Omegasyde
"The 8 gig flash is a bit concerning as even the best quality flash drives have a limited read/write limit."

True, but it all depends on whether its SLC or MLC for how many read/writes it can take before the end of its life. Id also like to point out that every smart phone has flash storage as well, and most of those have yet to die from read/writes.

Pretty sure my android phone is writing to and reading from the flash memory storage a ton and its alive and well. Hell, my old iPhone 3G is still working fine and I cant tell you the number of times Ive had to reload my 20000 songs to it.

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nosferatuzodd3893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

when it comes to hardware we all know who's king Samsung GE sharp all get help by Sony on hardware if it was software related then Microsoft would have the advantage but hardware please we are not worried about their theory 204 gbs second its just wishful thinking to trick ppl on their under power console look at the fact no matter how they over clock and es ram they're just making the system more difficult to work with they're going to overclock until every Xbox one catch fire in ppl houses I'm going to laugh at the RRoD that's coming i don't trust Microsoft with a dish washer much less a console

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stuna13894d ago

And from your comments I'm willing to bet that you think that Microsoft are the only one that have something up their sleeve that they don't want the competition to know about!? After all you are about the truth!

I'm sure both have secret sauce in their architecture.

ThatCanadianGuy5143894d ago

PS4: 1152 Shaders
Xbone: 768 Shaders

PS4: 72 Texture units
Xbone: 48 Texture units

PS4: 32 ROPS
Xbone: 16 ROPS

Doesn't change the cold hard facts.

ThatCanadianGuy5143894d ago

Facts are spam now?
How convenient.

Skips3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

DayZ

But some don't like facts... They'd rather cling to "theoretical", "powah of ze ClOuD!!", and rainbows and dreams and whatnot... lol On paper, PS4 is definitely more powerful from what I understand...

And the games do show it, no doubt...

http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
vs.
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/vid...

I admit, Forza 5 does look incredible...
http://a.pomf.se/3El1.gif

But I could honestly say the SAME thing about DriveClub... lol http://a.pomf.se/5Cj7.gif

^^Courtesy of GribbleGrunger...

EDIT: @badkolo...

Not sure if serious??? :/

Anyways, as good as Titanfall looks. It doesn't even come close... lol

https://www.googledrive.com...
https://www.googledrive.com...
vs.
http://i.minus.com/ibkLh2II...
http://i.minus.com/iSylqprP...

Ritsujun3894d ago

YeH yOu cAn'T beEt tEh pAwaA of za ClouDz.

badkolo3894d ago

skips, your first killzone pic is not gameplay , try harder. when the gameplay starts all that prettyness gets blurred, watch killzone videos again to see the truth

u got owned3894d ago

From "theWB27";

Bugattii- 1000 horsepower 270mph 0-60 2 seconds
Nurburgring- 7:40 mins
Top Gear- 1:16 mins

Nissan GT-R-Stats- 480HP 193mph 0-60 3.2 seconds
Nurburgring- 7:24 mins
Top Gear- 1:17 mins

Game design isn't a straight line."

enough said!

ALLWRONG3894d ago

The people who deny cloud or cloud computing (See OnLive) have the same mind set as those who thought electricity was magic. The same kind of people who tried to discredit Genetics or DNA.

In other words "denial"

JokesOnYou3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

ssshhh you're making too much sense. I keep telling them the performance difference is so close its mute, devs and money will determine quality of games. It will however be interesting to see the backtracking when real world bench tests highlight X1 advantages.

GribbleGrunger3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

@badkolo: I wasn't going to post anything until I saw your post.

"skips, your first killzone pic is not gameplay , try harder. when the gameplay starts all that prettyness gets blurred, watch killzone videos again to see the truth"

1080p comparison. Keep an eye on the shadows, lighting and reflections as well as the density of action and the near photorealism of textures:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Fun fact: The KZS footage is 1080p/60fps

Don't get me wrong though, Titanfall will be a fantastic game and well worth the purchase.

Deadpoolio3893d ago

It's amazing how with Xbots facts are suddenly Spam or just someone being a hater....It's weaker get over it, the One80 will never be as powerful, the cloud will never do what you people think it will especially graphically....

But that doesn't mean the One80 is a slouch, it's just weaker....So what games will still look nice on it

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Arrrriibaa3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

More money > less money.

edit: oohh nice pc fanboys disliking a fact, nothing new them PC fanboys haha!.

madpuppy3894d ago

If you are so enamoured by the PC, why are you spamming console threads? wouldn't you just stay where you are with like-minded gamers?

_QQ_3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

Then why is he spamming XBOX threads? of course i'm not surprised, the white damage control knights don't come out on this site untill Sony gets criticism. plus why would i dislike someone claiming that i have allot of money?yeah more money,better graphics too,better indie scene, better options,better performance,better online community,More games. Cold hard facts right?

LucasEVille3894d ago

What's wrong with choosing a console and using your pc? Unless your just staying with pc in which case why are you even commenting on console articles?

Narutone663894d ago

@lopez_josue,
Since your beloved XB1 is losing on specs, you have to resort to PC to win an argument.

kneon3894d ago

Why bother? Because the games you want to play are only available on one of the consoles.

That's the only reason you need.

_QQ_3894d ago

@Narutone Yep my beloved X1,I guess being unbiased now days means you are a fanboy. I don't give an ass about the X1.

wtopez3893d ago

I agree with Lopez_Josue. If you're gonna swing your PS4 specs d*ck around an Xbox thread, don't moan when a PC user drops, as DayZ would put it, "cold hard facts".

PS4: 1152 Shaders
GTX 770: 1536 Shaders

PS4: 72 Texture units
GTX 770: 128 Texture units

This is from a Mid/High end GPU that has been out for months. By the time the consoles are out, AMD will have launched it's new line of GPUs and Nvidia will have revised it's GTX 700 series. That is only this year and it happens every year.

Sevir3893d ago

Sooooo are you going to Spend $600 to upgrade so you can PLAY the SAME multiplatform Games which currently have PS3/Xbox 360 as their BASELINE, just so you can GLOSS over Framerates and Resolution? the overall story and gameplay dont matter, EVEN if its just a high res console port!?

LOL keep playing the resolution and framerate game.

But if a game runs steady and looks pretty on one console the overall experience is THE SAME across the board, even with high res assets and higher frame rates!

Just saying.

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maniacmayhem3894d ago

All of that and the games shown for Xbox One still look excellent.

torchic3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

I don't think anybody ever said that they wouldn't look excellent.

they just won't look as good as PS4, (especially 1st party) that's it. that is nothing to be ashamed of though, 360 users enjoyed their 1st party titles even though they didn't look as good as PS3 1st party titles.

Death3893d ago

The same ones talking about PS4's superiority also claimed the PS3 would be "TrueHD" 1080p for everything released. They also said Blu-ray made PS3 games look better.

Here's a nice flashback to 2005 http://www.ign.com/articles...

The PS3 GPU was also rated at 1.8 Tflops by Sony so you will have to excuse me if I don't seem to overly excited by Sony's claims for the PS4.

torchic3893d ago

holy fudgecakes! disagrees! what did I say wrong?

1st party PS3 games looked better than 1st party 360 games.

devs already saying that PS4 versions of multiplats will look a bit better (Rivals, Warframe)

these are indisputable facts people! not trying to trash 360 or Xbox One!

@death

if that's somewhat directed at me, just note that I was 12 in 2005, blissfully unaware of such topics.

nightfallfilms3894d ago

No its SPAM when you post it in every single article. I could probably go onto a non gaming website and find you posting this crap.

CPTN MITCHELL3894d ago

What about xbone fans with the no game spam

MarkusMcNugen3893d ago

@CPTIN MITCHELL

They are both stupid. Fanboys are stupid, thats all there really is to it. Not stupid as in unintelligent, stupid as in blind to anyone elses interests other than their own.

tuglu_pati3894d ago

@DayZ

Spam much...

i don't see any mention or comparison with the PS4 in the article. So its obvious that you are trolling.

corvusmd3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

@ Day Z Well this is based on old SUSPECTED figures..not to mention it's just a SMALL slice of the over all picture, you keep focusing on the paper specs you like....you'll get left in the dust...you've been warned.

PS3 did this SAME thing last gen...and it's still getting whooped at the end of the gen in graphics and playability. Open your mind a little, and stop focusing on paper specs that are outdated and mean little to nothing

cell9893894d ago

Um... Show me something on the 360 that looks and plays better than The Last Of Us, Uncharted 3, God of War Acension, or Two souls. Exactly stfu and try harder

ziggurcat3894d ago

Suspected specs that are confirmed.

How is PS3 being whooped? Because it's widely known that graphics in 1st party titles have far surpassed that of the X360. 3rd party titles have also reached parity in terms of graphical fideltiy, and are increasingly surpassing the X360. And where are you getting that nonsense about playability from?

MysticStrummer3894d ago

"PS3 did this SAME thing last gen...and it's still getting whooped at the end of the gen in graphics and playability."

There goes any hope of credibility.

fooltheman3894d ago

I once had a guy over who only had a 360 and had played halo 4...
and even him had to confess Killzone looked a lot better... He was even impressed by all the first party games...

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StrangerX3893d ago

@cell 989

well if you insist!then:
Crysis 2&3,
Halo 4
Alan Wake
Gears of War 3
Forza 3&4

Sevir3893d ago

StrangerX....

OK well lets compare.

Crysis 2 and 3 on Xbox 360 to Killzone 2 and 3 on PS3... it isn't Crysis

Again Halo 4 compared to Killzone 3 still falls flat.

You said Alan WAKE? let me say it like the form MS exec Don Mattrick... "HAVE YOU SEEN..." BEYOND: 2 Souls?

Gears of War 3... OK! UNCHARTED 2 or Uncharted 3 or better yet THE LAST OF US! Which ever do you pick the out come remains.

Forza 3/4? GT6 lets not play blind here! Visually PS3 exclusives hold the crown and always will!

but can we just stay on Topic here, this isn't about teh PS4's superior specs or the PS3s first party game comparisons to the xbox 360... Its about MS confirming what we all already knew about the XBO's internals with some interesting additions.

As it stands Now the XBOX is exactly the machine that it was predicted to be even when MS was being ambiguous and left tech junkies to scrounge for facts while they through out 5 billion transistor GPU and cloud powered.

Its a marked step up over the xbox 360... IT'll have some great games, Hello Titan Fall! but thats it. Acting as if the detailed info on the MS finally revealed makes the console magically more stronger than it already is silly. It is a POUND for POUND exact confirmation on the performance of the machine that many tech sites have deduced months prior MS just made it official. Lets get back to waiting for the great games coming out at launch for these 2 devices!

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badkolo3894d ago

then this will be the first time you see a lower powered system trounce a 40% more powerful system, cause no one is even denying the facts,, the games look better on the x1

ziggurcat3894d ago

"the games look better on the x1"

Subjective opinion, not fact.

JamieL3894d ago

@ ziggurcat
Yep, sure is, just like every PS4 zealot on here talking about how much better the PS4 is, before the damn thing has even come out. Why is his opinion any different that the folks talking about how much they love the PS4? One more thing, why didn't you start your crusade way up there where this opinion BS started? I saw at least 5 PS fanboy opinions you could have targeted before this one from badkolo.

Funantic13894d ago

Your "facts" haven't been proven because no one but Microsoft understands their architecture. The more we learn about the X1 the more we find out that it's more powerful than what we originally thought. So your spec spam is just a spoof.

Quicktopick3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

maybe ur ryt... then maybe u arent. well c in a couple of months

PFFT3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

And this is a fact as well!

From "theWB27";

Bugattii- 1000 horsepower 270mph 0-60 2 seconds
Nurburgring- 7:40 mins
Top Gear- 1:16 mins

Nissan GT-R-Stats- 480HP 193mph 0-60 3.2 seconds
Nurburgring- 7:24 mins
Top Gear- 1:17 mins

Game design isn't a straight line."

I couldnt have said it better myself.
Thank you theWB27 and thanks to u got owned for re posting this awesome quote!

JackOfAllBlades3894d ago

And the GT-R is Japanese, the PS4 is Japanese, the PS4 is more powerful, the Veyron is more powerful. The best of both worlds, so the PS4 is far superior, I understand what you are getting at now.

:D

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Narutone663894d ago

Lol at the comparison between the cars and game designs. Just like the power of the clouds, not everybody's internet is fiber optic, right? So based on that comparison, the power of the clouds is just wishful thinking.

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TheHierarchy3894d ago (Edited 3894d ago )

@DayZ

you know, I wonder in 6 years from now when things change again what you'll be saying then.

to me this tech comparison won't matter. we'll all be getting remasters of this upcoming gen's games in the future for the next consoles.

Bundles will be made and we'll all be buying the same sh3t because the gen after won't be backwards compatible with APUs and whatnot.

B-radical3894d ago

You are so annoying no one is denying that? Geeeee

starchild3894d ago

You're trolling because, while those are facts, they aren't all the facts.

You are only drawing attention to facts that support your bias.

BallsEye3894d ago

Here we go again.
RAW specs RAW specs.
By saying that XO is not on par even with ps4, you automaticly admit that ps3 is like a SNES compared to xbox 360. Why? Because X360 got WAY more raw power.

Funny how amazing looking games still came out on ps3. It must be magic or your facts don't mean sh!t.

http://www.examiner.com/ima...

Here you go. Now go do something useful.

Kingnichendrix3893d ago

let me just copy and paste something i pointed out to someone further down. "Ps3 is not 5x less capable in raw power are you out of your mind let me summarise just for you.
Cpu: Xbox 360 3.2-GHz PowerPC Tri-Core Xenon vs Ps3's 3.2 GHz Cell Broadband Engine x8 spes which work like cores one was reserved for os.
Gpu: Xbox 360 500 MHz ATI Xenos, Up to 512 MB GDDR3 RAM (shared w/ system RAM) and 10 MB eDRAM 21.6 GBps bandwidth (256 GBps via eDRAM) vs Ps3's RSX “Reality Synthesizer” @ 550MHz, 256 MB GDDR 3RAM (additional 224 MB can be shared w/ system RAM) and 22.4 GBps bandwidth
Total T-Flop performance: Xbox 360 1052 Gflops vs Ps3 1.8 Tflop's
Ram: Xbox 360 512 MB GDDR3 RAM (shared with GPU), 700 MHz speed and 22.4 Gbps bandwidth vs Ps3's 256 MB XDR RAM, 3.2 GHz speed and 25.6 Gbps bandwidth"

FrigidDARKNESS3894d ago

Lmao you people still klinging to those old specs from vgleaks.

JP13693893d ago

Oh, you mean the leak that these new specs confirm? The boost in performance is from increased GPU clock speeds, which means the numbers are still in line with what VGleaks reported. Good argument though...

Also, it's clinging. This isn't Mortal Kombat, learn to spell.

Belking3894d ago

lol..You can't measure performance with ROPS and FLOPS.

while the raw numbers would favor Sony, the real trick here is to try and output only what is required. MS custom design and the way they cached the heck out of this thing will easily match ps4 performance. The power gap that people thought was there just isn't, now that we have all the information from MS.

The real proof is in the games. xb1 games look just as good or even better than PS4....and they are running at better framerates.

JP13693893d ago

Killzone: Shadow Fall MP runs 1080P60. The only XBONE equivalents are Forza (baked lighting, racing game) and KI (fighting game). Your examples are poor.

"You can't measure performance with ROPS and FLOPS."

Actually, you can measure performance is ROPS and FLOPS, which is why these measurements even exist. The caching is done to overcome the slow DDR3, which may bring it on par with the PS4's GDDR5 (reports say the theoretical numbers for XBOne bandwidth is actually in the 150gb/s range). Still, that requires extra time and effort just to maybe get the memory on the One working as well as its competition. You're also ignoring the PS4's ability to bypass cache altogether and use multiple pipelines to ensure communication between CPU and CPU.
Still, that's only the memory. The One doesn't have the grunt to compete with PS4. Launch games are always a mixed bag, with devs constantly aiming at a moving target. I don't doubt the One will compare favorably this November, but things will change once the second wave comes out. It will only get worse from there, as people start to use compute functions on the PS4 that the One doesn't have.

To reiterate:
No amount of memory management will help the One develop more compute units, texture units, shaders or ROPS. These are physical limitations on the console and it's in this area that the One is completely outclassed. Enjoy your launch games, as they are the first and last generation on Xbone software that will be able to compete with PS4 graphically.

XabiDaChosenOne3893d ago

@JP1369
"Enjoy your launch games, as they are the first and last generation on Xbone software that will be able to compete with PS4 graphically."
Pretty much.

Badassbab3893d ago

@ Skips

Unfair screenshot comparisons. Let me explain why.

Titanfall is being developed on a heavily modified 'Source' game engine which was originally developed by Vale for Counterstrike and Half Life 2 way back in 2004. It's also 60FPS so only has 16.66ms to render an entire frame. In no way does Titanfall take full advantage of the Xbox One.

Killzone SF is on a game engine developed by first party developer Guerilla Games specifically for the PS4 from ground up. It's also a 30FPS SP so has twice as long to render a frame making for nicer looking graphics.

FM5 is like Titanfall a 60FPS game so 30 FPS Driveclub has twice as much time to render a frame which should mean it has a better chance of turning out to be the prettier game but in this instance it's not because Turn 10 are just better developers when it comes to extracting the most out of a console.

It really is down to the developer and the game engine used. If Killzone SF was 60FPS those screenshots would not have looked as good. In my opinion Titanfall looks like to have the better gameplay which is what matters in the end.

JP13693893d ago

Killzone multiplayer runs at 60 frames, just like Titanfall and it looks leagues ahead graphically. No other console game matches what is does and it does it at 1080P60.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Also, if you knew anything about Respawn, they've modified - and in some cases completely rewritten - the Source code to take advantage of new tech. What they've been saying is that the Xbone version may not run at 1080P60.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

Forza 5 does look good, but it's using the same baked lighting tech Forza 3 used. Driveclub, on the other hand, is using full dynamic lighting with trackside detail and density that Forza can't match. The team have also stated, on multiple occasions, that they are aiming for 60 fps at launch.

Badassbab3892d ago

JP1369

Titanfall target frame rate is 60 for both SP and MP and as far as I can tell TF looks like the smoother game with more freedom of movement and with a lot more going on, Warzone looks to be the corridor MP experience from the video seen thus far and I can bet my bottom dollar it will be a perceptual 60fps while Titanfall will be more rock solid. As I said earlier Source has been heavily modified for TF but it's still not a ground up Xbone game engine like Killzone SF is on PS4 so it's still not a fair comparison. You can see the Source heritage right off the bat. Plus GG are masters of pushing hardware to the limit. Forgot to mention latency will most likely be superior on TF too.

I would hope Driveclub ends up looking better than F5 (not seen any evidence yet) since it's running at half the frame rate! The trackside detail and lighting you speak of, I don't see anything amazing over FM5. Also I would be surprised if DC turns up as a solid 60fps game. It may like GT5 be perceptual which I guess is ok for some.

Nocando3893d ago (Edited 3893d ago )

PS4: 1152 Shaders
Xbone: 768 Shaders

PS4: 72 Texture units
Xbone: 48 Texture units

PS4: 32 ROPS
Xbone: 16 ROPS

All of which amount to what? A few more FPS? A better texture here and there? Those are the cold hard facts, my friend.
However, if you want to talk specs, here is a great analogy: I have seen 4 cylinder cars beat 8 cylinder muscle cars in the quarter mile at a local track. It's not the horsepower, its what you do with it.

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JP13693893d ago

Actually, it's torque, which is the baseline measurement for horsepower, that does it. I've also seen 4 cylinders that have more power than an 8. As has already been mentioned, your analogy is inaccurate and serves only to display your ignorance of cars, physics and tech.

Nocando3893d ago

Hey everybody, look at how much of an ahole DayZ is, he just PMed me this little gem:

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, so i'll forgive your ignorance.However, that analogy was just plain autistic.

You should be embarrassed, honestly.

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DonFreezer3893d ago

Name one graphics card retailer that mentions those specs or shut your fucking mouth.The Sony pr bullcrap should stop. Just one retailer that has information on the rops and texture units of a graphics card.

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MASTER_RAIDEN3894d ago

not sure what any of this means, but idc. just give me a next gen gta 5.

NOW PILE ON THE DISAGREES!

SchwoererBear3894d ago

Your comment makes more sense to me than anything on this thread. processor this and core that, IDK what da faque these people are talking about! show me the games! show me the games! I will pick a system and I will play games

KwietStorm_BLM3894d ago

Where is that article asking when did gamers stop caring about games?

Kingnichendrix3893d ago

if you are talking about graphics it is pretty nice to have a game thats also nice to look at you know. Imagine zelda ocarina of time with xbox one or ps4 graphics that would be the best or even imagine playing the ocarina through the kinect haha that would be funny

titletownrelo3893d ago

when they started caring more about pointless bragging rights, rather than having fun.

I've been coming to this site and others for months, and the people on here are really starting to disgust me.

Who gives a flying f*ck on what product some RANDOM person on the internet is getting!?

And then to try to make whatever console you're getting sound more superior than the other...to make yourself feel better is incredibly CHILDISH!

-Mine has more RAM!
-Well, mine has a better launch line-up!(even though I'll probably only buy one of the games)
-Oh yeah, well, the graphics of games on mine look better than yours!

This is all so...pointless

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7213h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle39m ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Cacabunga6m ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

purple1012h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos2h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac1h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1011h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos39m ago(Edited 37m ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 10h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 7h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 5h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN22h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo23h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies19h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 7h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic17h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9017h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 9h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 9h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 6h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 8h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 7h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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