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Microsoft discloses details on Xbox One and Kinect chips

Microsoft disclosed details for the main processor and the Kinect image processor in the Xbox One video game console today at a chip design conference.

Those details are critical for the kind of experience that consumers will have with the Xbox One when it launches this fall. The guts inside the box will determine what kind of quality games the consumers will see and whether the machine will be prone to failure, as the Xbox 360 was when it debuted in 2005.

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greenpowerz3896d ago (Edited 3896d ago )

Makes you wonder who's spec NDA was being enforced. MSFT's? or AMD's? Or both?

One of the better articles about this. I'm just glad I now know what I pre ordered LOL

Games is all that matters but I lean audiophile videophile and like to know what I'm getting.

Disagree? LOL

LOL @Neogaf guy says: "Huma(n) After All" http://i.imgur.com/vdsVDpc....

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LordMaim3896d ago (Edited 3896d ago )

@Starbucks_Fan: It means that the Xbox One is at 1.31 TFlops vs 1.84 TFlops for PS4. That overclock really didn't do much for the Xbox.

Edit: Not sure why the disagrees. It's not like it's an opinion, they're facts. Look at the picture for the proof. Prior to the overclock it was running 1.23 TFlops, now they're at 1.31. That's not a massive increase. Microsoft needs to give people the complete picture.

https://semiaccurate.com/as...

iamnsuperman3896d ago (Edited 3896d ago )

It is N4G. You will get a disagree for saying we live on the Earth. Honestly, I have no idea what a TFlops. Is that a big difference. Would anyone realistically notice that difference. Again TFLops are alien to me (and I think to everyone on this site judging by some of the ridiculous things being said in the other article)

FlameBaitGod3896d ago

What is this earth u speak of ?

bromtown3896d ago (Edited 3896d ago )

For anyone that's wondering what a difference of 0.53TFlops means, its a difference of just over 2 PS3's worth of power. Not inconsiderable.

KRUSSIDULL3896d ago

@iamnsuperman

FLOPS FLoating-point Operations Per Second and the T = Tera (Billion)
It is a measurement how powerful a system is (But in reality it's not that accurate)

Below specs does not include CPU FLOPS data.

Xbox 360 Xenos GPU = 0,240 TFLOPS
Playstation 3 RSX GPU = 0,176 TFLOPS

Xbox One = 1,31 TFLOPS
Playstation 4 = 1,84TFLOPS

For further comparison
Nvidia GTX580 (2010 HIGH-END GPU) = 1,58TFLOPS
Nvidia GTX680 (2012 HIGH-END GPU) = 3,09TFLOPS

The GTX680 is almost twice of powerful but doesn't render twice as many FPS (Frames Per Second) but closer to 35% faster than the GTX580.
So the difference between the Xbox and PS4 is not gonna be very significant when we're talking about graphics as it looks right now.

Hope that explains some for you, cheers!

marchinggamer3896d ago

Honestly this whole teraflops comparison is a load of bullshit. Teraflops measures compute performance not graphical power. For example a radeon 7979 has about 1000 more gigaflops than a gtx 680 yet a gtx 680 beats it in most benchmarks

Swiggins3896d ago

Thank you Krussidull, that was very helpful in explaining that to me.

Bubbles for being helpful.

EVILDEAD3603896d ago

Nice post & +bubz @ Krussidull

The FLOP talk is cool pre-launch but post launch it's going to be great to finally have the games in our hands.

Evil

sorane3896d ago

@iamnsuperman

"It is N4G. You will get a disagree for saying we live on the Earth."

So true and so funny :P I'll give ya +bubble for that one :)

iamgoatman3896d ago

@marchinggamer

"For example a radeon 7979 has about 1000 more gigaflops than a gtx 680 yet a gtx 680 beats it in most benchmarks."

No it doesn't. When compared to a 7970Ghz (pretty much all can manage that) it's the other way around.

mistertwoturbo3895d ago

"For example a radeon 7979 has about 1000 more gigaflops than a gtx 680 yet a gtx 680 beats it in most benchmarks"

That's correct if you compare a Radeon to a Geforce, you can't directly compare them to each other because the architectures are different.

But since we're talking about Radeon vs Radeon, 530GFLOPS more is an apples to apples comparison.

ThanatosDMC3895d ago

I disagree with iamnsuperman because you live in Krypton.

DonFreezer3895d ago

Shut your freaking mouth.Name me one graphics card retailer who mentiones teraflops of a grpahics card.Just one. PS fanboys you should realise that if something so big on a gpu isn't even mentioned in shops why the hell does Sony advertise it so much?I haven't seen Nintendo nitpicking specs that the Gamecube had over the first Xbox so they could feel more powerfull.

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SITH3896d ago

BOOM!

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaahaha hah all win!

kewlkat0073896d ago

" For example a radeon 7979 has about 1000 more gigaflops than a gtx 680 yet a gtx 680 beats it in most benchmarks"

Wtf..I got the 7979..sh!t I was lied to.

Bigpappy3895d ago (Edited 3895d ago )

Seems to me a lot of people are misunderstanding band width affect on speed as opposed to clock speed. If clock speeds are similar, RAM with a narrower bandwidth can actually have the bus addressed in parallel. So it all come down to the design. in particular, how the processor accesses the RAM. If they both access the RAM directly form the processor PS4 wins speed. If MS is using the internal 47MB of RAM link a front end bus, it would increase the data and address bandwidth of the DDR3 RAM in a flexible manner, depending on how much is used for address and how much for data cache.

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JunioRS1013896d ago

THUMBS UP IF YOU'RE AS DUMB AS ME! :D

PraxxtorCruel3896d ago

...but how dumb are you? We gotta know your power level!

JunioRS1013896d ago

I tried to go Super Saiyan once and pooped my drawers.

XboxFun3896d ago

Now there's a God level Super Saiyan, so we have to know if this can be achieved by you.

Kayant3896d ago (Edited 3896d ago )

Frigid where are you..... Xbox one uses Jaguar like PS4.
It looks like the leak specs from earlier where true.
More info ---> http://www.neogaf.com/forum...

pyramidshead3896d ago

Let's not tease him too much........maybe. :P

MasterCornholio3896d ago

I remember some people were saying that Microsoft would change the specs by a huge amount in the last few months before release.

I guess they were wrong because the specs barely changed anything.

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M-M3896d ago

I don't know where the disagrees are coming from, Frigid would always go around saying that the Xbox One will have a Kaveri chip. Like EVERYONE said, it doesn't have one. Even Greenpowerz said yesterday "people will be in for a surprise tomorrow", where's that surprise at?

ziggurcat3896d ago

he'll probably start spouting off nonsense along the lines of, "since it's the same, then PS4 definitely doesn't have hUMA or HSA blah blah blah" even though that wouldn't be true.

badz1493896d ago (Edited 3896d ago )

no...it's just that they are now all saying "it's all about the games"

MRMagoo1233896d ago

the surprise is that the xboners after seeing 100% fact that the ps4 is more powerful still deny it, i was surprised i thought they would just go hide back in their caves but it seems the denial is strong and they dont even believe MS' own spec sheet lol.

All we know after this is the ps4 has the same gap on the xbone as we thought it was weeks ago.

n4rc3895d ago

I love this.. I almost can't believe it!

Nobody has EVER said the specs you throw out aren't true.. Yes when you measure one aspect of a component.. the ps4 is ahead in a bunch of them..

Why people argue with you is the other bullshit you include.. Usually something along the lines of xbox sucks and it cant compete blah blah blah...

That is why people ignore you.. You refuse to accept arguments based on effiency or anything else.. Just "look at my .5 tflop! Screw xbox"

Games are what matters... Not a number...

Funny tho... Thats exactly what ps3 owners always said when the roles were reversed.. And i wasnt here bashing ps3 so i dont give a crap what someone else said to you years ago..

MarkusMcNugen3895d ago

@n4rc

Its okay man. Most of the hate these guys come up with they dont even understand themselves. I can guarantee you that 98% of all the people who post GPU specs (i.e. ROPs) or Teraflops have absolutely no idea what they are or how they correlate to the system architecture as a whole. These are just fanboys picking a few small pieces of information and spouting it as the end-all be-all of Xbox One without understanding how it all works.

And yes, in the end, as much as people think PS4 specs are the most important thing. They are not. It will be features and games that sell the systems to the masses.

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vigilante_man3896d ago (Edited 3896d ago )

Read the article but it made little sense. Your link was way more useful so thanks.

Not sure what the true picture is yet for both. We will find out nearer the time. Guess it also matters how the hardware is utilised.

Seems PS4 could of gone the ESRAM route for super fast speeds at certain times but thought the best option with less bottle neck was the unified fast GDDR5.

Microsoft have gone with the small cache system. Both are vastly superior to what we already have. How much cheaper would the XB1 be to make/produce? We know the Kinnect 2 costs almost as much as the XB1. Does this make the XB1 cheaper without the Kinnect 2?

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SkippyPaccino3896d ago

I wonder if lays is making their chips?

Swiggins3896d ago

We all know that Sony uses superior Pringles technology in the PS4.

SkippyPaccino3896d ago

I thought Nintendo used the power of Pringle? The Pringle mascot is a picture of Marios dad? I believe Sony also uses lays but they add onion dip

kneon3896d ago

Yes the pringle technology is far superior. There is much better consistency and few broken chips :)

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 1h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle12h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18819h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio9h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning774h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga11h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218311h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga9h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan5h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus234h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv724h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10114h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos14h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-3h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac13h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10112h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic11h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead4h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 21h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 19h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 16h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 9h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 11h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 7h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 19h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 5h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 4h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger2h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 21h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 20h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 17h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 20h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 19h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10113d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai13d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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