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Why Microsoft And The Xbox One Deserves Its Flak From Gamers

Recently, former Microsoft Exec and indie-dev Peter Molyneux stated that the backlash Microsoft got is unfair despite reversing policies for the Xbox One. While Molyneux continues on further to defend Microsoft’s vision of the future, my reason behind why the corporate giant deserves the flak that it is receiving because that Microsoft failed to focus on the core gamer audience that brought them up to where they are as well as the kind of message they sent out about the Xbox One and its gamer base. - Lazy Tech Guys

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GarrusVakarian3906d ago (Edited 3906d ago )

"Microsoft failed to focus on the core gamer audience that brought them up to where they are"

Pretty much what i think too. Too much focus on non gaming related content, and the gaming related content is alot of the time kinect focused, so we feel left out sometimes.

LOGICWINS3906d ago

"Too much focus on non gaming related content"

Did your electricity go out during the Microsoft conference? The only thing I saw from them was game-related content. But I suppose some people will only see what they want to see.

GarrusVakarian3906d ago (Edited 3906d ago )

Did you not see the February conference? It was 10 percent games and 90 percent everything else.

Either way, the fact they opened a conference with tv tells you alot about a company that used to be so dedicated to the core gamer. Right out of the gate they should have showed a game, not tv.

I'll get an Xbox One, for one thing only...gaming.

Thatguy-3103906d ago

They finally show a lot of games in one conference and all of a sudden they change. Let's remember how dry they were when it came to games the past few years. Let's see if they blew out all their load at e3 or saved some for Gamescon too.

HappyTrigger3906d ago

Slick ninja editing Lukas. lol

But yes, their February conference was pretty awful.

DiRtY3906d ago

I won't get tired of repeating this:

Exclusive games MS announced at E3 (games we have not heard of before):

- Halo 5
- Sunset Overdrive
- Kinect Sports Rivals
- Dead Rising 3
- Project Spark
- Killer Instinct
- D4
- Below

Exclusive games Sony announced at E3 (games we have not heard of before):

- The Order 1886

HammadTheBeast3906d ago (Edited 3906d ago )

Exclusive games MS announced at their reveal that we've not heard of:

Forza 5(?)

Exclusive games Sony announced at their reveal that we've not heard of:

The Witness
Killzone Shadowfall
Knack
Infamous Second Son
Octodad
Mercenary Kings
Deep Down

In MS' case, you guys are impressed because your expectations were so low. With Sony, keep your standards high.

corvusmd3906d ago

There really isn't any reason to be mad at MS...these kids just have a HUGE false sense of entitlement and feel that MS should grovel at their feet and beg them to be customers...ironic cause Sony as a company has shown to be much more arrogant over the years...which is why they still charge 30% more for Tvs that aren't as good. Companies need to make money to stay in business, FACT...so if MS adjusts so they can do that...that's called a smart business decision. The TRUTH here is that articles like this keep popping up because PS Fanboys picked sides really really early on without getting all the facts, and now don't want to backpedal (or do a 180 as it were....side note, you can see what really bothers them, by the insults they throw out). It's all about saving their own "face" now, plain and simple...so the Anti-MS propaganda campaign is out in full force...but if you look at facts and details, and the business path that BOTH companies have taken..there really is NO reason for this EXCESSIVE anger towards MS. Just look at how "mad" they get at MS, it's obvious that there is something going on other than being mad at a system... how often do you not want to buy a product, then go out of your way to slam it all the time. How ridiculous would it look to say "damn you coke with your red can and stupid stripe, you're too sweet....Pepsi for the win, they have better ingredients and promotions"

corvusmd3906d ago

Hammad. Witness is not a PS4 exclusive, and all hints point at Deep Down not being exclusive either

n4rc3906d ago

Why wouldn't they start with the new stuff?

Its a fkn Xbox.. Think we all knew it would be based around gaming.. No need to state the obvious..

And as said.. If you want to talk games, Microsoft is leading the pack right now

DiRtY3906d ago

@Hammad

please don't make things up, it makes you look bad.

"Exclusive games MS announced at their reveal that we've not heard of:

Forza 5(?)"

No,

Forza 5
Quantum Break
Titanfall
Ryse

And the Witness is already confirmed to be on Xbox One as well. Sony just paid for timed exclusivity. Yeah, they do this, too!

Octodad is an indi game, that was released on PC 3 years ago.

Mercenary Kings is another PC indie game and an early version is up on steam if you want to play it today.

Deep Down might or might not be an exclusive.

Why don't you just accept the fact, that MS has more exclusive games coming up? is it so hard to accept?

Skips3906d ago (Edited 3906d ago )

LMFAO!!!! @ Dirty! XD

Sony got so much flak for showing a crap ton of indie/PSN games... lol And yet MS does the same thing. XD

Crimson Dragon = Indie/XBLA
Below = Timed exclusive/XBLA
D4 = Indie/XBLA
Lococycle = Indie/XBLA
Killer Instinct = F2P/XBLA
Project Spark = Indie/XBLA

So all that really leaves is Halo, DR3, Forza 5, Quantum Break, Sunset Overdrive, Ryse, and Titanfall (Also on PC and most likely timed)...

But don't forget, a few of those exclusives were scrapped 360 games meant to fluff up their next gen launch lineup because they probably didn't have much else. Pretty much explains why it's been a barren wasteland on the 360 for the past few years. lol

Retail PS3 exclusives for 2013:
- Sly 4
- GOW Ascension
- The Last Of Us (GOTY Condender)
- Beyond Two Souls
- Puppeteer
- Gran Turismo 6
- Until Dawn

Retail PS4 exclusives for 2013:
- Killzone SF
- Knack
- DriveClub

vs...

Retail Xbox 360 exclusives for 2013:
- GOW Judgement

Retail Xbox One exclusives for 2013:
- Ryse (Former Kinect 360 game)
- Dead Rising 3 (Former 360 game)
- Forza 5

Doesn't look so one sided when you look at how much support MS had to drop for the 360 now does it??? lol

http://www.gamepur.com/news...

^^^ But look here!!!

If all MS is gonna do at Gamescom is a short presentation and the rest of the time, hands on with what they already showed. That pretty much goes to show they blew almost their entire load at E3. lol

The_Con-Sept3906d ago

The only games that interest me out of every conference and outlet has been on PlayStation.

But when I first saw the Xbox one.... All I got from it is TV TV TV TV and football.

Then E3 comes around and it was shooter shooter shooter fighter shooter.

I'm in to shooters, but not that much. I wanted to see a game that didn't involve racing cars or shooting guns. Killer instinct isn't enough.

DiRtY3906d ago

@Skips,

I never mentioned some of the games you brought up. And you are still wrong:

- Killer Instinct is not free to play. There is one character you can play with for free. This is nothing more than a demo. It is not a typical XBLA game either.

- Project Spark is not indie. It is made by a MS first party studio. It is not a XBLA game either.

- LocoCycle is not indie. It is made by a MS first party studio.

Every game will be available for download day and date with the retail version... are those all XBLA games then?

Even if you exclude Killer Instinct and Project Spark for the bigger budget games and only care about those type of games, they still outnumber the PS4 exclusives.

- Ryse
- Forza
- Dead Rising 3
- Halo
- Sunset Overdrive
- Titanfall
- Quantum Break

vs

- Knack
- The Order
- Killzone
- Infamous
- MAYBE (and that is a big one) Deepdown
- (MAYBE Driveclub, but if you exclude Killer Instinct you have to exclude this one for the very same reasons)

So the Xbox One wins when it comes to blockbuster games. Period.

Nice try though.

HammadTheBeast3905d ago

Titanfall on PC, remove that, and Halo we have seen quite literally NOTHING of.

The trailer bit they showed had nothing to do with Halo 5 as confirmed by 343 themselves.

Or leave Titanfall and include Planet side, DCUO, blacklgh

ginsunuva3905d ago

They'll pretend like they care about core gamers for the first year then go back to casuals and kinect.

darthv723905d ago

I do agree that MS are to blame for their own flip flopping and deserve the criticism they are getting.

But, there is a point to where criticism takes a back seat and we are left with straight up mob mentality of people jumping on board for the ride not so much the cause.

Skips3905d ago (Edited 3905d ago )

-Dirty

Like I said, only because MS practically ABANDONED support for the 360 in favor of fluffing up their launch lineup...

*Cough Cough...

"But don't forget, a few of those exclusives were scrapped 360 games meant to fluff up their next gen launch lineup because they probably didn't have much else. Pretty much explains why it's been a barren wasteland on the 360 for the past few years. lol

Retail PS3 exclusives for 2013:
- Sly 4
- GOW Ascension
- The Last Of Us (GOTY Condender)
- Beyond Two Souls
- Puppeteer
- Gran Turismo 6
- Until Dawn

Retail PS4 exclusives for 2013:
- Killzone SF
- Knack
- DriveClub

vs...

Retail Xbox 360 exclusives for 2013:
- GOW Judgement

Retail Xbox One exclusives for 2013:
- Ryse (Former Kinect 360 game)
- Dead Rising 3 (Former 360 game)
- Forza 5

Doesn't look so one sided when you look at how much support MS had to drop for the 360 now does it??? lol"

^^^
Nice try a trying to keep that little tidbit out though... XD

And are you serious??? If Deep Down is a huge "MAYBE" then so it Titanfall. LMFAO!!!! And are you seriously comparing Driveclub to Killer Instinct??? That's just pathetic dude. Killer Instinct is a low budgeted small XBLA game through and through while Drivelub is an actual AAA Title being made available for PS+ because that's what Sony does for PS+. -___-

If Killzone SF was the game Sony chose for PS+, are you seriously saying that shouldn't be counted as AAA??? Talk about reaching.... lol!

Anyways, considering MS isn't even having a full conference! But a small "presentation" and the rest of the time devoted for hands on with what they've already shown. It's a no brainer they practically blew almost their entire load at E3...

Sony on the other hand... XD

WrAiTh Sp3cTr33905d ago

That conference in Feb was 35 minutes long lol. Try again.

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Wikkid6663906d ago (Edited 3906d ago )

Sorry to hear that you missed E3... they showed a lot of games.

Do car companies tell you that you can drive a car from point A to B? Of course not, it's a car. They focus on all the bell and whistles... because that's what makes it different from all the other cars.

LOGICWINS3906d ago

I bubbled you up for intelligent.

XboxFun3906d ago

I bubbled you too Wiikid.

A lot of folks pretend just because MS showed the features of the Xbox One that somehow some way it meant that it would never play games.

I know deep down they know this is false and just use it as some sort of ammo for their own agenda.

But don't be surprised if I take your quote and apply it elsewhere.

Hicken3906d ago

Your standard car company would be more like PC: it can race(game), but it's really about the overall versatility.

Consoles are more like the luxury brands. They try to one-up each other on the things luxury car owners(gamers) want most: namely performance and build quality. BMW and Mercedes(Sony and Nintendo) reference their long histories of providing quality, while Lexus and Infinity(Microsoft) tries to appeal more to younger, newer audiences.

What MS is doing is trying to convince performance car enthusiasts that, after a few years of trying to cater to those who'd buy minivans, they're once again dedication to high-quality luxury driving machines.

XboxFun3905d ago

LOL@ Hicken, always making little to no sense.

Please elaborate on this fantastic world you live in filled cotton candy lakes and spongy chocolate fields.

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Cmk01213906d ago

I mean but folks are cheering and applauding sony's new MS announcement of the pay tv deal with viacomm. So while im not saying some of it wasnt warranted because it was, its turned into an outright withchunt and EVIL EVIL MS schpeel that frankly is pathetic. People are living in some alternate reality where they think sony is this great company out to please all consumers and not make money. For example the headset thing, people reamed MS for not including a headset in the box originally and they did so citing its the more expensive system. How short are our memories because last gen sony did the exact same thing, the more expensive console and didnt include a headset. There a difference between giving flak and being a fanboy and most of the noise is from fanboys. im getting both so have no dog in the race but seeing folks so naive to reality has me shaking my head

Thatguy-3103906d ago

Sony was the under dog which everyone loves. They'll be back to the ps1,ps2 domination.

GarrusVakarian3906d ago

Bringing out boat loads of quality exclusives year after year makes you an underdog? Lol,ok.

Hercules1893906d ago

Did I see a different E3 than everyone else. Microsoft not only has sequels coming on launch but also has a bunch of new ips too, which are actually coming shortly after launch, unlike alot of games that might not come until 2015.

GarrusVakarian3906d ago

@Dirty

Its all good listing those games, but lets take this gen as an example, Sony hands down made the best exclusives, the fact that are still pumping exclusives out at the end of a generation (The Last Of Us and Beyond Two Souls) shows how gamer focused they are.

Lets face it, alot of those games you mentioned are garbage, you just listed those games to fill the list. Come this time at the end of next gen and i guarantee PS4 will have the better exclusives overall.

3-4-53906d ago

* Microsoft wouldn't have $500 million to invest in the XB1, if it wasn't for Xbox Original & Xbox 360 sales.

* Since 2007, they've gone away from core gaming and into casual and we the gamers have noticed this.

* Original Xbox had a ton of good games that you couldn't play anywhere else and had unique cool multiplayer styles:

* Blood Wake

* Deathrow

* Fusion Frenzy 1

* Crimson Skies

Some of the most fun I've ever had playing multiplayer games was playing those I just listed.

Nothing has come even close to these games in terms of creativeness and pure fun.

They've gone away from these unique type of games and gone more towards the casual games that people will play a lot for a month and drop.

Retroman3906d ago (Edited 3906d ago )

@ LUKAS
how did you get 10 disagrees is beyond me.

MS did fail to focus on gamers who put them where they are now "fact".
hell im not a xbox fanboy i know thats a fact.
SONY would not be where they are if not for hardcore games. FACT!!!!!

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cl19833906d ago

Yes microsoft should of modified their check in so it didn't occur everyday, however microsoft should of stayed with the rest of their decisions. It would of left season passes and resale to game publishers, it wouldn't of stopped used game sale, but it would stop dev's and publishers claiming they were being robbed or short changed. This would then still allow the sharing of a digital library in a house hold instead of requiring people to carry games where ever they go.

IcicleTrepan3906d ago

the author deserves flak for writing incendiary crappy articles that are unnecessary.

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thrust3906d ago

It's like the in thing to do now, bash the xbox

theWB273906d ago

While I applaud the article for not going all out mental on the X1...I still find it funny how shortsighted the gaming community is. Why, in 2013 when most devices are more than their main target, do gamers expect consoles to do nothing but game. Why don't they look at this on the business side of things.

There is no way to make a gaming only console, and only appeal to gamers and expect to be successful. More time was spent watching movies on the PS3 than actually gaming. 46%(games)54%(movies) I wish we knew how many of those(54%) people only bought the console mainly for media and only played a few titles here and there.

Then people keep talking about the reveal. Did the internet only work for a select amount of people? They explicitly stated, before the May reveal, that they would have two events. The first was to introduce the CONSOLE and what it does. Then E3 show nothing but games. They did exactly that and people complained.

Exclusives. I maintain quality over quantity. Sony can release triple the exclusives as Microsoft...but if they aren't all up to snuff then what's the point? It's funny the Sony camp brags about the amount of exclusives, yet the Microsoft camp supports their few more. How is it that Xbox exclusives outsold Sony's this whole gen??

Anyway...I was supporting Xbox from day one. The system is only getting better...can't wait.

iamnsuperman3906d ago (Edited 3906d ago )

"do gamers expect consoles to do nothing but game"

It isn't about that though. Both these companies are catering to us at launch. We are the ones who will go out and buy it at launch. So everything should be focused on gaming. That doesn't mean don't have said features but don't make it the first thing you unveil. Rookie error. It sets a precedents to what a company feels is the most important thing.

"Exclusives. I maintain quality over quantity. Sony can release triple the exclusives as Microsoft...but if they aren't all up to snuff then what's the point? It's funny the Sony camp brags about the amount of exclusives, yet the Microsoft camp supports their few more. How is it that Xbox exclusives outsold Sony's this whole gen??"

I feel this doesn't need an answer. Just think about for more than two seconds.The answer will come to you

theWB273906d ago

The answer hasn't come to me. More consoles sold worldwide, more exclusives...less sales. What am I missing?

"It isn't about that though. Both these companies are catering to us at launch. We are the ones who will go out and buy it at launch. So everything should be focused on gaming. That doesn't mean don't have said features but don't make it the first thing you unveil. Rookie error. It sets a precedents to what a company feels is the most important thing."

This isn't a sprint. It's a marathon. I thought we learned that from this past gen. When you advertise a product...say what it does. They focused an entire E3 on nothing but games...how is that not a focus? Why is it so hard for people to comprehend when you reveal a product, you reveal what it does. They revealed the X1, and showed us what the entirety of it does and still got to see games games games.

LordNikon3906d ago

"The answer hasn't come to me. More consoles sold worldwide,
more exclusives...less sales. What am I missing?"

Sales doesn't tell you everything about a products quality. You can't seriously be this ignorant...

Also, quantity doesn't automatically mean that there's a loss in quality. And just because MS had less exclusives this gen, doesn't AUTOMATICALLY (again) mean that its a product of a quality. Whatever, this is all subjective anyway.

"This isn't a sprint. It's a marathon. I thought we learned that from
this past gen. When you advertise a product...say what it does.
They focused an entire E3 on nothing but games...how is that not
a focus? Why is it so hard for people to comprehend when you
reveal a product, you reveal what it does. They revealed the X1,
and showed us what the entirety of it does and still got to see
games games games."

And MS's opening into this marathon was a complete disastor. It hurt the Xbox one. That is the reality... no matter how you try to spin it.

iceman063905d ago

@theWB27...here let me help you. If there are not many games to buy, then generally you buy what is available. Hence, the games that are available sell better. Contrast this with availability of several games which leads to choices and sales being spread out amongst what is available.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7218h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle5h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18812h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio2h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga4h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21834h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga3h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1017h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos7h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac6h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1015h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic22h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9022h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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