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Xbox One: How Microsoft Could Change the Impression of Their New Console

It’s no secret that the Xbox One has suffered one of the worst console openings in video game history, with nearly every aspect of the console from how it looks down to its features, have managed to generate more anger and hatred against them that it was though possible. Can such a problem possibly be overcome? Well that’s what we at TheGameHeadz.com hope to find out.

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Chaostar3925d ago

Microsoft lost me as customer completely when they announced their DRM policies back in May but, since the 180, the only thing stopping me from lining up on day 1 is the price.

I don't think it's fair to say "The Xbox One is a poorly planned, overpriced, ugly, and oversized device with inferior software..." since we've not really played any games yet.

NewMonday3925d ago

the price should be $350 for the much weaker XBone hardware

Godmars2903925d ago

Until we see what that hardware can to, compared to the PS4, your statement is just opinion.

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okmrman3925d ago

for a set a people who hate xbox one so much
its surprising how obsessed you are with it

you make ps fans look like little whiney kids

NewMonday3925d ago

@thecoronor

debunked FUD, confirmed PS4 games in development use 6G, and more RAM available in the future.

FUD is all the Xbone is doing these days and failing badly at it, just confirms MS are not to be trusted.

why would anyone overpay $500 for a lesser console with few 1st party studios and has #rd party games at lower frame rate, lower resolution and lower textures?

even the touted "multitasking" of the XBone is getting matched by the PS4's own features and superior social interface.

all the XBone has is a shoehorned spycam that people want to avoid because of the MS Prism spying program.

Tctczach3925d ago

@newmonday
Lol. You need to find a new hobby.

Rhinoceros3925d ago (Edited 3925d ago )

Kinect is a 500 dollar piece of tech alone. X1 is probably a 400 dollar piece of tech. It's a value.

MysticStrummer3925d ago

"Lol. You need to find a new hobby"

Translation : I have no valid response, so I'll type "lol" + a dismissive comment and declare it a win.

I guess the Belking Method is gaining popularity.

thetruthx13925d ago

@newmonday you are aware that xbox one has more games confirmed at 1080p 60 fps right?

Forza, Halo 5, Killer Instinct all 60 fps

Driveclub, Killzone 30 fps

Hmmm

n4rc3925d ago

@newmonday

Funny how all the bs you continue to spread in every Xbox thread has been debunked.. Yet you just ignore the facts and keep trolling..

Microsoft has more games at higher frame rates.. So that one is just an out right lie

Superior social interface? Umm... What?

All you cling to are promises from Sony.. But everything Microsoft says is a lie.. You are the definition of hypocrisy

NewMonday3925d ago (Edited 3925d ago )

@thetruthx1

BF4 is 60fps on PS4 so what is your point exactly?

and the Crew is 30fps but nobody complains

hmmm

give any game low graphics and it will do higher frame rates.
Forza with baked lighting and no weather, an epic fail considering dynamic environments and effects should be a standard next gen.

Killer Instinct looks like a current gen game

and lets look at the XBone exclusives that actully try to look good, like that stuttering 25fps on dead rising 3 and 30fps on the slow motion Ryse.

hmmm

@n4rc
sorry but even the lame Eurogamer PS4 and XBone comparison showed PS4 doing better frame rates, even with Richard ignoring the other PS4 spec advantages

pyramidshead3925d ago

@Mystic
where is Mr. Belking these days? lol

Electric-flamingo3925d ago

Your comment was so well thought out !!!

trafalger3925d ago

"the price should be $350 for the much weaker XBone hardware"

why when the wii u is the same price? the original kinect was also over $100 and the new one is ten times better. bluray added a lot to the price of the ps3 and so will the new kinect on the xbone. sure not everyone wants kinect but not everyone wanted a bluray movie player either. yes some will argue bluray was needed for some games but they could have gotten around that by having them installed on the hard drive.

if the games that come out are good most people will forget about the early impressions. the price will be there biggest barrier and m$ will have to show why kinect has value just like how sony had to prove bluray had value.

NewMonday3925d ago

@trafalger
$350 after removing Kinect ofcorse

@Electric-flamingo

MS doubling down on the FUD is very offensive, just standing up to their campaign.

BattleTorn3925d ago

Newmonday has played on both systems!

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NewMonday3924d ago

@NextGenGamer85
everything I say comes from facts or critical arguments, it's not like I go bad mouthing the members here.

if you have a comeback just say it, that's what we all are here for.

MWong3924d ago

@ thecoronor

If you think M$ made these changes because they are making these changes based on the consumers opinion you're kidding yourself. M$ is making changes based on their pre-orders. They are actively making changes to fix their PR.

I will wait to see what M$ does before I get an XBone. I still am a little fearful that they will change their minds and turn their DRM switch back on.

redwin3924d ago

The 360 was way weaker than the ps3 and MS still did very well, in fact MS does so well that SONY ends up abducting many ideas that at first it demonizes. Adam Adkins parents need to hug him more often, that guy has some anger issues. Lol... What an editorial ..

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allformats3925d ago

They lost with with DRM, No Used Games, Mandatory Kinect, Arrogance and, finally they lost me with price.

The thing is $100 more expensive than PS4 and 50 percent weaker than PS4.

Yeah, Microsoft, you lost me.

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MariaHelFutura3925d ago

The Azure cloud.

Microsoft can't even power up their console w/o an external powerbrick or controllers w/o a battery pack or AA's, but let me guess.... their gonna power up the Xbox One 3x, 7x, 10x more w/ your internet connection.

Got it.

KUV19773925d ago (Edited 3925d ago )

Yeah, until not 7 but 300 years from now. Not sooner will a faster GPU show it's advantages on an architecture that is very close in design.

Also: '300k servers' and 'azure cloud' is one argument, not two. Plus SONY has a cloud. I don't think there is as much advantage as you might want. TV is cool for people who really want it. I stopped watching regular TV about 2 years ago, plus it's not gonna work as well in Europe anyway. DevKit is cool I guess, but I will not use the functionality so it is no plus for me as a gamer. It may mean that there are a gazillion terrible games coming out through which you might have to filter for hours until you find a real gem. That leaves Kinect and that too is highly subjective.

More/Better exclusives is a joke, right? If one can have learnt anything from this generation than it is that SONY has vastly more exclusives and better ones too. But again at least quality is subjective. The 'more'-argument is in my book void. Let's wait till after GamesCom and see what will be announced there - from both parties.

Ultimately I think the price is close to irrelevant as is the tech-advantage on SONYs side. If you like Halo and Gears, why would you buy a PlayStation? All that tech and price talk is meaningless. Choose your console based on the games you like and noone will be able to say your decision is wrong but stop trying to convince others that console A is better than console B. That goes for both parties. However if you MUST compare consoles admit where the other fraction has an advantage. So far I(!) only see a small advantage for tech on SONYs side and Kinect and TV integration on XBox side if one likes it. That's about it. The cloud thingy may be nice but we have yet to see REAL features for it.

Rhinoceros3925d ago

@MariaHelFutura

http://graphics.cs.williams...

That has to be worth a couple hundred gflops of computing power and it's done off box.

Imagine if they could perform 500 gflops or more in the cloud reliably, between ai, non interactive physics, lighting, ect...

That's more than a 360's worth of power. Very impressive.

KUV19773925d ago

Thanx, that's actually really impressive!

MariaHelFutura3925d ago

@Rhinoceros

The problem isn't what they can do server side, it's getting the data to your console w/o lagging.

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slimeybrainboy3925d ago

It is poorly planned, ugly and oversized though.

pete0073925d ago

Just Like hundreds of psfanboys in here

slimeybrainboy3925d ago

@pete007

Poorly planned - Reversed almost every policy due to backlash from hardcore xbox fans, I think we can consider it poorly planned.

Ugly - It's a ginat rectangular box. Nothing interestinf about it and is regularly compared to a VCR. Ok maybe this is personal opinion, bu you're outvoted.

Oversized - Do I need a measuring tape to prove this one? Even has a power brick doesnt it. It's not even comparable in size to the PS4. More comparable to a gaming PC on it's side.

Also I was nice to leave off the other things that comment 1 had in it's post. These things are the general consensus amongst errbody!

Gildarts3925d ago

Both consoles are ugly but turning of my fanboy mode. I still think the Xbox One looks better then the PS4. It looks more like a modern device. And PS4 looks kinda like a PS2. Props to sony for fitting nextgen hardware into such a tiny box.

It makes my wonder why the Xbox One is so big,AND still have a power brick. It all sounds suspicious to me. Maybe the hardware is upgradeable?

creatchee3925d ago

@slimeybrainboy

Poorly planned - screamed incessantly about how much better having 7GB of available RAM was than 5GB of RAM. Then the amount of RAM was no longer important when a rumor put it at 4.5. Then it was important again when another rumor put it at 6.

Ugly - go out of their way to put down the Xbox One and anybody who chooses to buy it. Write off any potential positive difference or innovation on the One as PR talk. Repeatedly celebrate and bring up any bad news, whether fixed or not.

Oversized - I'll make no fat jokes here, but that's probably what pete007 was going for. Could also represent the ego of the lot who think that their hateful opinions will influence anybody other than those who already share them.

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cleft53925d ago

To be fair I think the recent developments are very positive for the Xbox One, but the DRM thing did make me completely go against them as a customer as well. Still I want the system to be nice for those who like it.

adorie3925d ago

[Off topic]
I'm seeing so many new Xbox fans register, many under a month. one I saw was merely a few hours ago.

It's interesting. I wonder if multiple accounts, returning accounts, or could it be people lurking, who just had to register and join in a heated discussion?

I feel a few sound familiar with their writing style, choice of words and handles. :D

Thomper3925d ago

I'm getting both, but was happy with MS announcements from day 1....

Then again, I'm 38 have a good income, don't trade games and like digital downloads...

I can see how it would have pissed some people off though. MS were a little ahead of time in their thinking.

At the end of the day, I would pay £1000 to play KI3 with the Madcatz fight stick....

Other than that, the other games that interest me are:-

- Titanfall
-Anything Halo related
- Destiny
-Infamous, second son
- Witcher 3
- Forza 5
- Deadrising 3
- Battlefield
- Kinect Sports... (Yes, yes I know it's not cool, but after a few sweet sherries with your chums, this and sing star are awesome)
- Crimson Dragon (a big fan of Panzer, so have high hopes this won't be shizzle)
- errr...I'm sure I've missed stuff... Help me out here!

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Godmars2903925d ago

That's easy: remove Kinect. include it as a pack in but don't make it mandatory to use.

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JokesOnYou3925d ago (Edited 3925d ago )

-X1 won't even work without Kinect, because of the way the hardware/software structure is designed.

"For starters, dumping mandatory Kinect after the example of Microsoft's recent online DRM U-turn may not be a practical possibility - Xbox One has literally been built for the sensor, and it's rather late in the day to go fiddling around at the level of the hardware itself."
http://www.oxm.co.uk/58866/...

More importantly I'm with you thecoronor, I don't want a ps4 called an Xbox One, if I did I just save myself $100 and get a ps4. What I want are new game gameplay experiences/options and the UI integration only Kinect offers. So its fortunate for me that Microsoft built X1 from the ground up with Kinect v2 in mind.

DigitalRaptor3925d ago (Edited 3925d ago )

Don't tell me it's not possible to press the power button to turn on the Xbox One.

Don't tell me it's not possible to use the Xbox One controller to navigate the menus and options.

The reasoning you're giving for why Kinect is required for the Xbox One to function is invalid. Microsoft haven't given you a solid straightforward answer. Probably because it's not an answer that most sane, balanced gamers would be happy to hear.

If your Kinect breaks, you can't use your system and you can't play its games that use the controller? What kind of excuse can you draw up to apologise for them if that happens? It's simply not logical.

JokesOnYou3924d ago (Edited 3924d ago )

"Don't tell me it's not possible to press the power button to turn on the Xbox One."

-Sure it is, but why did they make that possible in the first place since YOU COULD ALWAYS GET UP AND TURN OFF PREVIOUS CONSOLES BY PRESSING THE OFF BUTTON? It was not needed, it was just an added convenient feature that we are used to now....Its an option and when you consider Kinects voice control is also how you turn ON/OFF X1 and your TV when you walk in the room; that is a simple convenience= that's why tech evolves to give us greater convenience/more options.

"Don't tell me it's not possible to use the Xbox One controller to navigate the menus and options"

-Again why are you talking as if I said Kinect invented navigating a device, NO it enhances the experience of doing such, similar to how cell phones adopted touch screens, was it not possible before to dial a phone number with buttons? Sure it was but touchscreen was just a more intuitive way, then other intuitive advancements were built off the feature. Are you telling me simple voice commands like "xbox tv", "xbox game", etc to navigate back and forth quickly jumping from 1 completely different entertainment form to another is not a nice feature to have?

"The reasoning you're giving for why Kinect is required for the Xbox One to function is invalid."

-After the X1 reveal micro was asked directly if you could use X1 without Kinect and they said "Kinect does require to be connected to Xbox One in all cases, yes," http://www.destructoid.com/... the oxm article is THE explanation WHY, so its not reasoning I'm giving its the source, what inside info(link) do you have to say its "invalid"?...or is that just what you believe?

"Microsoft haven't given you a solid straightforward answer. Probably because it's not an answer that most sane, balanced gamers would be happy to hear."

-Why should they have to give you anymore than the official statements that they believe Kinect is an important part of their vision for X1?...No, they shouldn't anymore than Nintendo should have explain why Wii U GamePad Controller comes with their console, you can certainly play games with the more traditional controller Wii U Pro Controller available, and it would be cheaper, but why? when they have designed the entire interactive experience around their new device, like the original wii with wii remotes....that means they don't have to *prove to you they could do it WITHOUT, NO you are want it or you don't.

"If your Kinect breaks, you can't use your system and you can't play its games that use the controller? What kind of excuse can you draw up to apologise for them if that happens? It's simply not logical."

-I tell you what's NOT logical, your stupid excuse try to say it shouldn't be part of the X1's design. "What if", I mean what if anything breaks, "What if" the HDD is bad?, "What if" motherboard is bad?, "What if" the disc drive fails? "What if" the console has some type error? Just as would be the case with any other electronics the answer is simple if it breaks you are going to need to send it back for repairs, "What if", pfft that's weak and not a good reason for a electronics manufacturer NOT to pursue a platform vision.

btw its also a horrible way to downplay Kinect by taking 1 individual feature as if it exists in a vacuum and therefore not justified because like all devices its NOT 1 thing that sells it but the versatility/multitasking features that sell it as a WHOLE PACKAGE.

pompombrum3924d ago (Edited 3924d ago )

"-I tell you what's NOT logical, your stupid excuse try to say it shouldn't be part of the X1's design. "What if", I mean what if anything breaks, "What if" the HDD is bad?, "What if" motherboard is bad?, "What if" the disc drive fails? "What if" the console has some type error? Just as would be the case with any other electronics the answer is simple if it breaks you are going to need to send it back for repairs, "What if", pfft that's weak and not a good reason for a electronics manufacturer NOT to pursue a platform vision. "

Wow just wow.. what if a vital hardware component breaks vs what if a peripheral breaks.. it's an apples and oranges argument. Kinect is NOT vital, no matter how you look at it, it's just a potentially well integrated peripheral, anything else is a flaw in Microsoft's design.. it's not even a part of the box but an external device.

Lvl_up_gamer3924d ago

@ Digitalraptor

Your arguments are small minded, short sighted and just down right juvenile.

Why does common sense evade you so easily?

JokesOnYou3924d ago (Edited 3924d ago )

aiBreeze, who died and put you in charge?

"Kinect is NOT vital, no matter how you look at it, it's just a potentially well integrated peripheral, anything else is a flaw in Microsoft's design.. it's not even a part of the box but an external device."

Who are you to say its NOT vital, I didn't R&D the X1/Kinect architecture, YOU DIDN'T, but Microsoft DID and they say it is a vital part of X1(read my above link)....aahh but YOU say now its a "well intergrated peripheral" or anything else is a flaw in design, lol so tell me genius what exactly have you R&D'd and produced for consumer purchase? Oh but you talk like you are the 2nd coming of Steve Jobs and its your mission to tell the world how all consumer products should be designed. Riiiight. Also whether its part of the box or not is semantics, Kinect is a "well integrated" piece of electronics and they both work in unison to deliver entertainment content, convenient features and gaming entertainment, just because its not housed inside the X1 does not reduce its importance if Microsoft built both from the ground up to work in conjunction with each other, they are not together because the X1's internals were custom built to maximize airflow and you can place the location of the camera in a variety of different setups depending on your entertainment setup, (tv, speakers, other devices). Read about the hardware for yourself, instead of jumping to conclusions, I could care less if you don't like the console/kinect but that doesn't make your belief facts.
http://www.wired.com/gadget...

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Rhinoceros3925d ago (Edited 3925d ago )

New gameplay experiences only exist on the X1. People who think they have to WAVE their arms around don't understand how powerful the kinect is in regards to fidelity. You need only touch your temple to activate something like night vision goggles in a game. It's gonna be awesome!

HowarthsNJ3925d ago

Make sure your temple is the only thing you touch while gaming. Kinect will be watching...and counting.

Maybe it will generate an anti-itch cream advert for you on the fly :-)

Gildarts3925d ago

Agreed.

People who think they should exclude kinect are fools.

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sAVAge_bEaST3924d ago (Edited 3924d ago )

Marketing, marketing, Marketing,. (your missing the point, the system was built around the kinect)

_JokesOnYou-

Wow , how are those M$ dollars?

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from the beach3925d ago

The general perception of Xbox One seems to have changed quite a bit in the past couple of months following some aggressive policy changes.

Price is the final piece of the puzzle - although for me the package they're offering, including launch lineup, is worth the extra £80..

Gildarts3925d ago

Following don mattrick departing.

from the beach3925d ago

Hard not to link the two events!

S2Killinit3925d ago

they could apologize for trying to rip us off and take their spy capabilities out of kinect. Make a promise they wont try any of their schemes in the future.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7218h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle5h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18812h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio2h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga4h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21833h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga2h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1017h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos6h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac6h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1015h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic3h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 14h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 9h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 2h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 4h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic22h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9021h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 13h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 13h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 10h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 12h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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