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Microsoft Deserves Credit For Xbox One Policy Changes

Forbes - Microsoft screwed up its Xbox One launch magnificently, and for several weeks the PR disaster played out in all its gory detail, culminating finally at E3, where Sony rode the waves of consumer discontent to a resounding public relations victory.

xHeavYx3937d ago (Edited 3937d ago )

No they don't, stop saying that they listened to their fans, that's not the case. No-one was preordering the One and they were the joke of most gaming sites. That's the only reason why they reversed their policies.
I would have given them credit if they had reversed their policies when it was a rumor. People were not happy back then but MS didn't listen. Then E3 happened

US8F3937d ago (Edited 3937d ago )

Implementing things first is for the consumers, and implementing things second is for the money. Sony wants to make money by giving the consumers more quality than they are paying for while Microsoft changed the policies not for the consumers but for the potential of losing lots of money, since they got their asses handed to them by Sony. Say what you will, but in this generation, world wide sales, it would be a vast difference in sales with Sony getting the upper hand. Not everyone is a fool, and the US kids who defend the Xbox wants to be patriotic, since its an american company, and it can do no wrong, when it comes to microshaft. these people rather take it up the ..., than say they are wrong. They sell their privacy for cheap. Losers

Wrong will stay wrong even if everyone follows it and right will stay right even if no one follows it

MWong3937d ago (Edited 3937d ago )

@ xHeavYx ... you nailed it

Like I said before if M$ would have saw pre-order numbers the way they wanted them to be, trust me they wouldn't have reversed anything.

papashango3937d ago

In all honesty. M$ deserves a lot of credit for listening to the fans.

Big win for the consumer and much respect to M$ for finally opening their eyes.

georgeenoob3937d ago (Edited 3937d ago )

You guys don't get it.

MS thought this turn in gaming would stongly benefit the gaming induatry, especially long term.. No-disk gaming, family share, and many other features. They had no idea there were so many ignorant gamers to not look into this and focus soley on the negatives of DRM. When the backlash happened, they decided to do the 180 cause the fanboys obviously took over and completely ignored any benefit this might bring, which gave them no choice but to back-track on their innovating motives as this brought attention to many gamers

My point is: MS thought this innovating approach would benefit the gamers at launch and without a doubt for the future, but since Sheep took over and cried all over the media, they listened, for the sake of gamers.

Don't believe me and disagree? Then why is there a petition, and the hundred articles that constantly appeared after the reversed drm. I know you guys love calling me a fanboy, but look into this to open your eyes.

xHeavYx3937d ago

@georgeenoob
You speak so much nonsense, it hurts.
They thought they would benefit their own wallet doing what they did, that's what backfired.
Funny you seem to say the DRM restrictions were good and bla bla, but you also commented on those topics saying that only Sony fanboys were signing it.
Just do us a favor and go away

papashango3937d ago

Always knew you were a fanboy in disguise Thanatos.

QuickdrawMcgraw3936d ago

georgeenoob MS should have explained what they were doing was beneficial to gamers.ALL I heard was MS saying try it you'll like it.Or you have no choice you'll get use to it.Gamers had a choice and MS blinked.Now I hope MS takes the time to really explain their new features as they slowly implement them on the Xbox1.

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zeal0us3937d ago

If anyone deserves credit it would be the consumers and gamers who backlash against the policies and not MS tbh.

Lovable3937d ago

This.

The consumers talked with their money and got the results they want.

cleft53937d ago

Exactly, consumers voted with their dollars and for the first time consumers really got to see how powerful that really is. I hope that trend continues now that we all have something major and tangible to point too that shows the power of voting with your dollars.

OllieBoy3937d ago

Yep. They don't deserve anything. Only the harsh criticism that they've been getting.

YNWA963937d ago

Ok, Heavy, you are right, but when is enough enough?
They reversed, obviously because of low preorders, admitted communications where bad, and are trying to steer their ship correctly. But the constant bashing is getting tiresome. The 24 hour check in was the only bad thing to me, but everything else they seemed to communicate very badly.The used games, well affects some, but not all and the family share was good. For the record, I am getting both, but please the bashing should stop, and lets look forward to next gen...

UnHoly_One3937d ago

Maybe it's just me, but responding to low pre-orders by changing what people don't like IS listening to your customers.

What better way for a consumer to get his point across than by "speaking with his/her wallet"?

And if they weren't listening, how did they know what things were holding people back from pre-ordering?

They obviously knew exactly what they needed to change, hence they were listening, yes?

jmc88883936d ago

Only fools think they did a 180.

A 180 would be to drop the mandatory Kinect2.

They on turned 90 degrees, and the NSA Kinect2 is still there.

Microsoft and the NSA have been in bed for decades. All of their products have backdoors for the NSA and other gov't agencies. Including the fascist GCHQ of Britain.

http://www.zerohedge.com/ne...

You want to trust THESE guys with your data?

Not to mention all the crap they want to do with watching and logging you, your habits, and all sorts of other stuff so they can advertise to you, and share that data with thousands of corporations.

Your health insurance. Your life insurance. Your work? Your school?

Imagine fighting with your wife/girlfriend and getting a phone call for counseling?

That's the sort of creepy thing Kinect2 will do as well as various Smart TV's.

Also this data isn't just for now, it'll be around as long as you live.

Just like people's insane disclosures on facebook will keep millions from higher level jobs in the future. Oh so you want to run for congress, but it shows here your entire partying and philandering lifestyle from 15-40.

People just don't understand how much power they give over to other people to exploit them, black mail them, or otherwise deny them. Kinect2 is a massive empowerment tool for others to screw YOU over.

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zeal0us3937d ago (Edited 3937d ago )

This would be like saying your cable provider or internet service provider deserve credit for removing unfair charges on your bill after you had filed numerous complaint.

InTheLab3937d ago

Yeah....give them credit for doing what they should have from the start. Give them credit for removing then reinstating your ownership rights.

Please. They still haven't won back the respect of all but the most diehard Xbox fans and they are not even trying.

cleft53937d ago

Yeah, not only did this move make me lose complete respect for Microsoft, but I have also canceled my Xbox live account and I am no longer buying 360 games. Maybe with the exception of Fable HD if that gets great reviews.

I won't even rent games for the 360. I have moved over to the PS3/PC side of gaming. The PS3 infrastructure isn't as good as the 360's online, but I feel better about purchasing games for the PS3 and that's all that matters to me.

With that said, maybe Julie Larson can convince me to return the Microsoft ecosystem for the 360, but I want nothing to do with the Xbox One for so many reasons beyond the DRM policies that they reversed.

XtraTrstrL3937d ago

Considering they waited until they saw the pre-sales weren't boding well before they made the changes. No, they don't deserve credit for it. They did it solely to stay afloat, not because they heard the voices of the people and wanted to make them happy.

cyberninja3937d ago

They deserve all the bashing they got, that's for sure; you don't treat your fans like that.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7214h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle1h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Cacabunga30m ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

purple1013h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos2h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac2h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1011h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 10h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 8h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 5h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN22h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies20h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 8h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic18h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9017h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 9h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 9h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 6h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 8h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 8h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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