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Xbox One exec says Sony PS4 tech specs are "meaningless", games more important

OXM: Xbox product planning boss Albert Penello has downplayed technical comparisons between Xbox One and PS4, saying that hardware analysis is "meaningless" when "our games and experiences are going to be every bit as good as, if not better" than those you'll find on competing consoles.

dirigiblebill3972d ago ShowReplies(25)
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ThatCanadianGuy5143972d ago

How convenient that specs don't matter when your consoles specs are inferior.

And please microsoft, don't try to talk to me about games like you've been giving me GOTY winners for years straight.

moparful993972d ago

Lol it's ironic how games are suddenly important now that they have an expensive new console to support.. Think about it, we know they have been working on the ONE since 2010. Isn't that roughly the same time that the 360 exclusive train began to derail?? Meanwhile I'm playing one of the best games I have ever honestly played in The Last of US.....

sAVAge_bEaST3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

Exactly,, no support, no support, now GAMES. -fake as hell people at M$... Put up or shut up, like L.o.U.

snipab8t3971d ago Show
BABYLEG3971d ago

@snip

keep talking like that and you'll lose bubble.

Sony makes a system that is strong. Like the ps3 was before it.

Microsoft makes a system that's capable of running any game without breakdown.

this Gen will be the same. Sony brags about the strength of their system while games will be superior on Xbox like they were this Gen. Think about this, MS will most likely win north America, which means that any big budget game or games with meaning will be made on the Xbox. Sony can have those boring exclusives they like to deliver. Their games do nothing for me. Only games I like from sonys studios are god of war and infamous. God of war hasn't been entertaining since 2. Ascension and 3 was slow paced and dragging because they love Dem graphics so much they sacrificed anything else

ThatCanadianGuy5143971d ago

"Microsoft makes a system that's capable of running any game without breakdown."
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=RROD+

Xbox fans.They never cease to amaze me.

Pumbli3971d ago

snipab8t - Well, before 2010 that "shithouse" was the sole way to play games like Metal Gear Solid 4, LittleBigPlanet, Uncharted 1 and 2, Killzone 2, Infamous, etc. etc.

Resistance was a decent launch title, you calling it 'shit' doesn't change that.

trouble_bubble3971d ago

@snipab8t
Lmao, between albert penello, don mattrick, major "no switch" nelson and fan comments like this, it truly is the blind leading the blond in ms country these days.

Fyi mgs4, infamous, littlebigplanet, heavy rain, gow3, uncharted1+2, heavenly sword, ratchet n clank future, valkyria chronicles, demons souls, gt5, motorstorm, killzone2, resistance1+2, warhawk etc all came out 2010 or earlier. All successes.

You namedrop forza4 and halo4 in your 2010 benchmark spiel yet fail to realise those games came out in 2011 and 2012. I don't even...

tristanwerbe3971d ago

I don't consider a lot of the games like the Last of Us games there cinematic experiences but there good just I honestly don't think the games like The Walking Dead, Heavy Rain, Uncharted are games

Ezz20133971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

let's destroy MS claim once and for all:

http://www.reddit.com/r/Gam...

********"So this article at the top of /r/games sounds pretty rosy. They're claiming the esram on the XBO can actually push 192.0 GB/s. That sounds really great...

Except if we read the actual statement, it is this.

However, with near-final production silicon, Microsoft techs have found that the hardware is capable of reading and writing simultaneously. Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

No, they didn't wake up one morning and realize there was an extra data line in their memory module, so lets drill down to what that actually means.

Apparently, there are spare processing cycle "holes" that can be utilised for additional operations.

In other words, no, it isn't capable of bidirectional data transfer. Their trying to push through a few extra memory operations, but the it's still strictly read or write.
Now, look at the actual numbers. I have to give credit to R_K_M and Boreras for pointing this out. I'm just aggregating, so I'm going to direct quote.

If I am not mistaken, that just means that they lowered the clock from 800 to 750 and are using the bi-directonal bandwith number for marketing when everyone else is using the bandwith number in one direction. - R_K_M

you're right the numbers do match up perfectly for that (750 (GPU clock) * 128 (bus width)*2(read&write during same cycle) = 192.0 GB/s --- if it were 800 MHz you would get 204.8 GB/s) - Boreras

So we can basically confirm that cboat was correct. The numbers tell the truth. The esram has been downclocked, and Microsoft's PR department is trying to spin it as an increase in total bandwidth based on some cycle tricks that are probably being exaggerated."*********

keep the DC going MS ...keep it going

Varodor3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

“The problem is that Sony decided to go out and publish a bunch of numbers, which are in some ways meaningless”

cyberninja3971d ago

The Last Of Us is hands down the best game I've ever played.

Ol_G3971d ago

@snipab8t wow true fanboy comment xbox is always better except in real life stop spacing

awi59513971d ago

@Pumbli

The problem is at that point Microsoft had like what 20 games that had sold over 2 million copies and ps3 had nothing like that in sales. The 360 games actually sold and people bought them not just trolled on forums all day.

morganfell3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

Specs aren't meaningless and attempts to slip by the public won't work:

https://twitter.com/digital...

The sources DF had for the previous article were simply MS PR.

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miyamoto3971d ago

I know when a dog is tucking its tail between his legs in fear ....they talk that specs don't matter, right Nintendogs?

MoveTheGlow3971d ago

Right! If Microsoft developed one decent game I actually enjoyed, maybe I'd take that comment from them seriously. Oh, specs don't matter at all, because we have a Roman game which ran out of ideas, made another awful Normandy scene, and added QTE's when Kinect didn't work! It's a bloody exclusive! Also, if you weren't tired of Call of Duty, we have Call of Duty With Some Robots and no single-player! Games, man!

Seriously, only Nintendo earned the right to say specs don't matter, as they've outclassed the Xbone games with the past half-year of 3DS games. And even they're in the crapper because of the WiiUShouldRenameThisThing.

Meanwhile, Sony just brings out Cerny, asks him to talk, and they outclass everyone immediately. Because there's a smart person behind that system. I wish MS knew who their smart people were, because none have spoken up in years.

tigertom533971d ago

maybe the custom GPU that has DirectX 11.2 will make that system have advantages over Sony or make games look very much the same time will tell

blanket143971d ago

open gl is just as efficient they both get many updates as time goes on. plus ps4 has 2gig video ram x1 has 1 so do the math pal....

tigertom533971d ago

software will work but not as effective as hardware. the video talked about. only difference between ps4 and X1 would be ps4 has GDDR5 vs X1 DDDR3. with a custom GPU that would support and enhance the DirectX 11.2...

tigertom533971d ago

Microsoft has confirmed that DirectX 11.2, the next-generation version of its application programming interface (API) and hardware abstraction layer (HAL) for multimedia devices will be exclusive to Windows 8.1 and its Xbox One console. word is hardware and devices that support...

jmac533971d ago

People on here really need to look at what the specs really mean. The Xbox has 12 CUs compared to 18 CUs in the PS4 on the GPU. This is combined with a unified pool of RAM its undeniable that the PS4 will perform better and is easier to develop for. All the mumbo jumbo about the cloud is marketing speak that fanboys have been eagerly spoon fed. It comes down to the games and how well they are optimized and at this point the PS4 has the lead.

awi59513970d ago

@blanket14

Hes talking about effects because crysis 1 looked way better on vista than it did on XP when they did this crap before. But thanks to some hackers they found a fix that forced most of the direct x10 effects onto XP but some effects like the improved water and lighting didnt look up to par to the vista version.

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Mr Tretton3971d ago

"PS3 was shithouse until about 2010. It had pretty much no noteworthy games at all. Just crappy exclusives like HAZE and Resistance."

That's complete BS and you know it.

MoveTheGlow3971d ago

Eh, most of the games I've really loved and kept around for the system are past 2010, but the PSN games from earlier were great! I mean, they launched with Everyday Shooter, I still love to play that!

But late 2009 was when they started blasting the competition. Uncharted 2 and Demon's Souls in the same holiday season...it was awesome to behold!

Picnic3971d ago

Actually I'd say it's about correct.

For, it was only the launch of Uncharted 2 in late 2009 that started to see the PS3 in a new light. I mean, Little Big Planet's nice as an art statement but it's not everyone cup of tea as a game. And the FPS games that weren't Sony exclusives tended to be no better than the Xbox360 ones.

Sony exclusive indies like The Unfinished Swan and Papo and Yo only came out in 2012.

Still, for about half its life the PS3 was the cool one to own. But not the first half massively.

awi59513970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

No hes right Ps2 and i had both didnt have as many hits or exclusives as microsoft those first 2 years it was bad. All games media was ridding sony hard about a 600 dollar console with nothing to play on it. They had resistance and like rachet and clank i think. Xbox first 2 years these are the games i had just my self.

Dead rising

Elders scrolls oblivion

Bioshock

Ghost recon advanced warfighter 1 xbox only

Project Gotham racing xbox only

Burnout revenge

Battlefield modern combat pretty good game for MP

Call of duty 2 console exclusive

Condemned criminal origins great horror game xbox only.

Perfect dark / yeah but the multiplayer was fun at the time.

Kameo was a great kids game i played it like mad.

NBA 2k6 was just a great game.

Amped 3 was a great funny snowboard game that needs to come back xbox exclusive

Geometry wars 1 best xbox arcade game of all time.

These mostly year one games that i bought i have no idea what came out year 2.

awi59513970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

The games below are just the games i know of in the first year the xbox had lots of games first year. You guys are just fooling yourselves. The 360 had one of the best year of games of all time and they sold millions of copies. And thats why 3rd parties was flocking to xbox.

awi59513970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

Complete first year of games for xbox 360

Dead rising

Elders scrolls oblivion

Ghost recon advanced warfighter 1 xbox only

Project Gotham racing xbox only

Burnout revenge

Battlefield modern combat pretty good game for MP

Call of duty 2 console exclusive

Condemned criminal origins great horror game xbox only.

Perfect dark / yeah but the multiplayer was fun at the time.

Kameo was a great kids game i played it like mad.

NBA 2k6 was just a great game.

Amped 3 was a great funny snowboard game that needs to come back xbox exclusive

Geometry wars 1 best xbox arcade game of all time.

forza 2

Lost planet

gears of war

Hitman blood money

Test drive

Over lord

Just cause

Blue dragon

Mass effect

Too human

99 knights

Crack down

Stranglehold

Rockstar table tenis

Chrome hounds that game kicked but online reminded me of old mechwarriors days.

Siants row

Rainbow 6 vegas

Splintercell double agent

Fear

Viva pinata

Fight night 3

Lego star wars

Tony hawk project 8

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ThatCanadianGuy5143971d ago

Resistance, Motorstorm, Folklore, Uncharted all came in 2007.Was an amazing year.

2008 absolutely killed it with MGS4 AND LBP.GOTY awards were flying at PS3's left and right.

2008 was when the dominance started and never stopped.Don't know what the heck you're actually talking about man.

Picnic3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

Yes but none of those nailed it as maintstream games in the way that later games did. Resistance was more or less a grey shooter. Motorstorm was brown mud tracks. Folklore was a PS2 style game in terms of concept. Uncharted Drake's Fortune had some great moments later on but many of them even now go unspoken of like the lovely M Escher painting inspired puzzle level - all that stood to many seems to have been 'too many waves of enemies'.

ThatCanadianGuy5143971d ago

With the exception of folklore they all sold millions and made numerous sequels.

What are you talking about?

timl2413971d ago

Seriously, this website needs to be renamed sonyfanboys.com

Specs do not and will not matter this generation. Is it true the PS4 is more powerful in terms of graphics? Yes, but with Cloud it won't be as much of a difference as people think. Besides, GDDR5 RAM is very powerful, but it is also slow. GDDR3 may not be as crisp but it will still be very good graphic wise and a lot quicker. All of the other specs are essentially the same.

So he's right, specs do not matter anymore. It's just like the iPhone and Galaxy S4. The S4 crushes the specs of the iPhone 5, but people still love the 5 because of the way it's optimized. Same thing here.

cyclindk3971d ago

Gddr5 = slow

You = slow

Sy_Wolf3971d ago

@timl241 You can't do anything cool with offsite servers because of how slow the internet is. Even with a 1Gb/s fiber connection it would be too slow to do anything. Consoles move hundreds of gigabytes a second around. GDDR5 RAM isn't slow at all, that's what makes it good. "Powerful" isn't really a term used to describe RAM... like ever. With the phone comparison you're looking at it wrong. Both the PS4 and Xbox One are like the iPhone, static hardware with a heavily optimized operating system. So since the PS4 has superior hardware with a smaller RAM footprint the specifications actually translate to more power. On top of that, should bandwidth magically not be a huge limiting factor while these consoles are relevant Sony can do the exact same thing with Gaikai.

HeyYouGuyz3971d ago

Here's how powerful your cloud is.

The average US internet speed is 7.4 Megabit per second according to a 2013 survey. The speed of the GPUs in these consoles are measured in GigaBYTE per second. So convert 7.4 Mb to GB, and you get a whopping 0.0009033A GB/s added to the current speed of the Xbox One(Eighty)'s GPU.

Even if you had a 1 Gb/s internet connection, that's only .125 GB/s added to the GPU.

My God that's impressive...

andibandit3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

@HeyYouGuyz

Im not a big believer in this Cloud tech, but your example is the worst example of all.

The following example is not a RL scenario, but it serves to prove my point:

Lets say i was to send you something to compute like this string

"find billionth decimal of PI"

Now that string is only 28 characters long, and is going to require very little bandwidth to send, but the actual calculation is going to take your Xbox/PS4/PC days, if not weeks or months to calculate.

What you are doing is purely looking at the speed at which traffic can flow back and forth, without looking at what kind of traffic it is.

Also "GB/s" is not a represention of "powerfulness"

Funnymonkey0133971d ago

That's where u r wrong yo ps4 being more powerful means a better future 4 amazing games that can't be done on the shitty x1 look at ps3 and 360 games ps3 absolutely crushesd 360 games in terms of graphics gameplay al. And sounds like uncharted wich by the way easily is 100 times better then any 360 games to date. There also GOW killzone 2 & 3 heavy rain the last of us wich again is an amazing game that can only be done on ps3 so no ur wrong it's always good to have more power as it can make really amazing games plus what's sad is ps4 this time is far easer to develope then the stupid x1 I find it funny that a weaker system is harder to develop then the more powerful one. O and anything x1 has ps4 can do it better Xbox fanboy:)

Redempteur3971d ago

"Seriously, this website needs to be renamed sonyfanboys.com"

Really , so what do you want to say?

" Yes, but with Cloud it won't be as much of a difference as people think."

facepalm.jpeg

The cloud is a joke. The cloud is a service Microsoft want to force on you , but it won't matter in term of raw power. It was a decoy to present to everyone because they knew they couldn't be on par with the PS4.

If the cloud was working , we'd see some examples of it at E3...there was none of it. Heck all the Xbone one games were running on Pcs.

The cloud is a joke , it doesn't work as a helper for graphical power, anyone who believe otherwise is misinformed or a fanboy.

tigertom533970d ago

something yes your not going to see cloud do graphics processing that is very silly... and of course you don't need a lot of bandwidth either. best way to look at it as a math problem of tons of number and all you need is the answer AI in game is a good example of that...

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wastedcells3971d ago

They need to go silent. They just keep digging themselves deeper into this hole of non sense.

RedHawkX3971d ago

wheres the games for x360 because i havent seen any.

meaNwhile on ps3 god of war acsension, pupeteer, the last of us, beyond 2 souls, gt6, plus more and multiplats. anyone that agrees with ms right here better own a ps3 if not then shut up

showtimefolks3971d ago

Ok so where were the games for last 3 years on xbox360?

How many GOTY exclusives did you develop?

How many new IP's

MS wants us to buy their console now and in 3-4 years they will move on to entertainment and casuals again and forget about core base. Time to prove you can support your core fan base for an entire console

Also just because ps4 has better specs and is more powerful all of the sudden specs don't matter

UNGR3971d ago

Ironic that the PS2 was poop chute in terms of hardware in comparison to it's competition but has 50+ games on it that I've never stopped playing due to how good they are. The PS2 was proof that games are what matters, getting your balls in a knot because it's Microsoft is a little sad. I could smell the stupid fanboy remarks a before I got here. You should be happy Microsoft is putting a focus on games for a change, but leave it to a devote fanboy to never give credit where it's due.

T23971d ago

Ya except they always seem to say whatever suits them best and rarely come through... I have no doubt ms will pump out games to lure gamers initially but Wat a kick in the sack to own a 360 right now .. Mines for netflix lol

moparful993971d ago

@joecanada Netflix on the PS3, is better not only do you not have to have a SUB to PSN to use Netflix but it seems to load and run better on the PS3.. I have both consoles and I don't use Netflix on my 360 hardly at all.. Only reason I have a 360 right now is Minecraft...

Funnymonkey0133970d ago

Lol yeah 4 now but how many years u thing they going to keep making new ips every year I'm guessing 2 years max and that's it. I can tell u u well be seeing many halo gears of war and forza games in its life time while Sony the king in gaming keeps making new fresh ips every few years heck they have like 25 more games they haven't shown on e3 more then 15. And I can say that some of the games that r only on x1 well come to ps4 if not better like DR3 and the that mecha FPS game to to ps4.

BallsEye3971d ago

he has a point. People like you see some numbers and automatically assume they know everything. Architecture and software matters more than you think. XO was build for DX 11.2 and when DX 11.2 , with move engines, esram and hypervisor, can render a scene using 16MB ram when normally it would use 3 GB of ram then YES specs are meaningless. Please research, you're making gaming community look stupid.

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Syntax-Error3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

When they are released we will see you dominates the market. Until then all fanboys need to STFU. PS fanboys were spouting the same crap back in 2006 and their ass got handed to them, so lets not get ahead of ourselves. If you compare the N4G community to the rest of the world, your opinions in these forums mean squat. Your sales don't matter just like your support for PS Exclusives. No matter how many of you go out and buy them, a large percentage of them always come up below average on sales.

SIX3971d ago

I know right? So I guess this is confirmation that The One isn't as powerful as the PS4.

ZombieKiller3971d ago

Xbox One exec says "meaningless", games more important

fixed.

Mithan3971d ago

The Xbox360 was inferior to the PS3.

Did it make a difference?

Why are people like you so stupid?

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MrSwankSinatra3972d ago

LOL i find that highly ironic coming from microsoft.

Cueil3971d ago

if they back this up with games that's all the matters yo

MrSwankSinatra3971d ago (Edited 3971d ago )

dude microsoft is the same company blatantly said they don't care about exclusives. every year at E3 fans were asking for GAMES GAMES GAMES but they never did. they'd show like one big exclusive, bunch third party stuff, casual crap and timed DLC every year . but now the tables have turned sony has the upper hand and now microsoft is trying to appeal to the hardcore gamer that they shunned. whats to stop them from doing the exact same thing from this gen if they get the gamers back. have a bunch of exclusives at beginning and and then just piggyback on third party the rest of the gen. screw that i'm not falling for micosofts bullcrap tactics.

Themba763971d ago

like sony won't lets not forget this years goty The Last of Us. you know made by Naughty Dog. that studio has more talent on it's pinky than all of M$ studios combined. and btw Halo sux now.

mxrider21993971d ago

@themba ya halo started to fall off during halo 3 let alone during odst (worst fucking game ever besides the horde mode they copied) reach(beta was fucking awesome actual game blew balls) halo 4(first week i could like this, nvm this game is almost as bad as reach) and now there is going to be a 5th one pls id have more fun playing halo wars than the campaign let alone multiplayer on the 5th one

Knushwood Butt3971d ago

Considering they've already abandoned the 360, I sincerely hope they do back this up with games.

Hercules1893971d ago

@mxrider2199 u do realize bungie created that mode in marathon, just so u know. and the worst halo game is way better than the best killzone game, just bcus u disagree doesnt mean its not true, numbers are truth and killzone doesnt have anyone online

T23971d ago

@Hercules - nope I just played kz3 last night could play any map full ... Just admit you never even tried it. And he had a point , halo has gotten stale and also worse

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BuLLDoG9093971d ago

Powah of the cLouD! and 50 million transistors ;]

GenericNameHere3971d ago

Haha yeah. Sony just released The Last of Us. They still have 3 more PS3 exclusives before the PS4 comes out: Rain, The Puppeteer, and Beyond: Two Souls.

Where are the Xbox 360 exclusives?? No more? I guess Microsoft already abandoned the X360, just like they did the original Xbox.
Even Nintendo's doing the same. They've already abandoned the Wii.

Microsoft and Nintendo will always abandon their old consoles. Sony, however, you can trust on for continued support even after their new console is out. And Sony will definitely not be short on awesome games, as evident for the last 3 generations.

Narutone663971d ago

Don't forget GT6, which is also on the PS3.

RavageX3971d ago

Now that I think about it, what was the last Xbox exclusive released?

Hellsvacancy3972d ago

Do you think Sony doesnt already know that, dumbasses

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18811d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus231d 2h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville19h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos16h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb3315h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC6h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled1d 8h ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies20h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear2114h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k41d 11h ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot1d 10h ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC6h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon6158615h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k410h ago(Edited 10h ago)

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k410h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody1d 11h ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead1d ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage17h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast1d 10h ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19791d 9h ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel1d 1h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn197915h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage17h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead3d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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Microsoft once tried to nab LittleBigPlanet from Sony after a few drinks

It turns out that many moons ago, Microsoft once had its eye on the Sony published LittleBigPlanet series.

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XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Microsoft had a good idea but fumbled it again.

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Project Spark idea was decent but they quickly gave up ..
LBP was wonderful

ApocalypseShadow3d ago

Microsoft in a nutshell. Always tried to poach Sony employees, games, 3rd party games and devices like the depth camera that was turned into Kinect but was running on PS2 before Xbox 360. Wouldn't be surprised they wanted LBP. Just like they worked behind the scenes pushing the MLB to bring Sony's baseball game to Xbox instead of making their own.
https://www.playstationlife...

They didn't spend years trying to develop their own baseball game. They wanted Sony's game.

They're scum.

Zachmo1822d ago

Microsoft didn't force MLB on Xbox. MLB gave Sony 2 options either go multiplat or risk losing the license.

Rynxie2d ago

And why do you think MLB said that? I believe Ms approached MLB.

ApocalypseShadow2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Totally ridiculous comment.

The only exclusivity Sony had was to their own creation of The Show. Microsoft could have paid the MLB for the license just like Sony did and made their own baseball game.

Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox. They're worth 3 TRILLION dollars. You think that's not enough money to make their own baseball game? Don't be delusional.

Microsoft spun it like they always do and told the media that they had to trust Sony with their hardware. After they put Sony in that position of not having a choice. Either go multiplatform or stop making one of their successful games. That's a no win scenario.

And what did Microsoft do? They didn't try to sell the game to the Xbox community. They put it on game pass to hurt Sony. Pushing the idea of why buy games that are $70 when you can play them in their cheap service for $10. It was a dirty tactic.

You fell for the Kool aid drink Microsoft served you instead of spitting it out. Hope it tasted good because you were fooled by Phil and the gang.

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Hereandthere1d 16h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

Bond revealed that MLB The Show “always came up” in conversations between Microsoft and the Major League Baseball organization. “We always said, ‘We love this game. It would be a huge opportunity to bring it to Xbox.'” she recalled. However, when Microsoft’s efforts materialized, it put the company in an awkward situation where it had to send in pre-release consoles to a rival company.

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Notellin1d 22h ago

"Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox."

Take a nap, conspiracies are rotting your brain.

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Hereandthere1d 16h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

ApocalypseShadow1d 2h ago

Lying to yourself is unbecoming.

Article link tells you all you need to know in Sarah Bond's own words.

Hereandthere1d 16h ago

They were too cheap/inept/lazy to develop their own mlb game, so they port begged for years and bribed the mlb to make the show multiplatform. Like i said many times, xbox brought nothing to the table their 24 years, ZERO.

ApocalypseShadow1d 3h ago

At least you and others get it. Note drank the Kool aid and asked for seconds thinking it was refreshing.

Most don't even know how it all played out but it's there in black and white for all to see. Microsoft brought it up for years until the MLB forced Sony's hand. It was a win win for Microsoft. Kill one reason to buy a PlayStation or kill the game by dropping it in a cheap service to kill Sony's sales numbers on PlayStation.

OtterX2d ago

"However, Healey said Media Molecule wouldn't have felt right doing that, adding it would have been "morally corrupt"."

Major kudos to Media Molecule for being an upright studio with principles.

Cockney21h ago

They chose well, Sony gave them the backing to pursue their dreams with no restrictions even tho their games especially dreams have very niche appeal. Media molecule and Sony deserve respect for this in an age of risk averse publishing.

RNTody2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Great, more stories like this please. Show the last of the zombies holding the line what we've been saying for years: Microsoft is anti competition, anti industry and has no interest in making games at all.

But hey, at least there's an Xbox Games Showcase to look forward to, right?

Inverno2d ago

Well considering SONY just killed the series, LBP would've been dead by now either way. Though MM probably wouldn't exist by now either, so I'm glad they stayed with SONY, hopefully they don't get shut down any time soon or ever honestly.

Inverno2d ago

They shut down the servers, that's millions of user created levels gone. That and dead are pretty much the same, it's also been years since 3 and they cancelled HUB soooo.

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fsfsxii1d 22h ago

They shutdown the servers because no one was playing, no one in the community cared about the user created levels so why keep them up? Wtf you guys would never succeed in running a business.

Inverno1d 20h ago

Yea dood no one was playing so they shut off the servers. Cause people with enough common sense can't just Google why they were actually shut of, right?

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