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Microsoft: Xbox One “Day-One” patch has “always been the plan” regardless of DRM change

Microsoft: Xbox One “Day-One” patch has “always been the plan” regardless of DRM change

komp3963d ago

Never believe anything until it is denied.

Mikey322303963d ago

Am i the only who sees how Microsoft could just flip back its policy on Xbox one a Year or two down the road.

They could randomly just say we are updating Xbox One.. it now requires an internet check every 24 hours.
Then everyone who bought one at launch is screwed. lol

Mikey322303963d ago

Oh, and this day one Patch still Severely limits those without any internet connectivity, who just want a gaming console offline. They are still screwed?

Godmars2903963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

If the 360's install base is anything to go by then they'd have to tell a third of their install base which had to go to extended lengths to find an internet link and activate their consoles that they now had to do that on a regular, 24-hour, basis. That the update to make them do so would be on the next disk the bought.

If a class action lawsuit didn't follow, those people would be throwing their consoles out of windows.

darkslayer2083962d ago

still going to buy PS4 day 1 already preorered ...
but will buy xbox one untill the next Halo comes..

manny1up3962d ago

Microsoft is lying , you can still implement family plan via a PATCH . There's no assurance they won't just build up a big costumer base before they reintroduce the anti-consumer policies..Microsoft LOST consumers confidence , as a 360 owner am opting for PS4 .

bobtheimpaler3962d ago

They can't include the patch on a game disc?

They haven't even manufactured any yet. why can't this just be part of the firmware shipped with the system?

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MariaHelFutura3963d ago

Major Nelson
"We can't just flip a switch and turn off drm, the console was built around it"

Angry Joe Interview

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

CBaoth3963d ago

should we start referring to XB1 as "X360 version 3" since MS and Major Nelson consider the PS4 a "360 version 2"?

Why o why3963d ago

"We can't just flip a switch and turn off drm, the console was built around it" ...... unless the pre orders are so low we just have to change our approach" completed

Lmao......taking their own customers and potential ones for complete muppets.

Godmars2903963d ago

@CBaoth:

When did the Xbox 360 ever have a Blu-Ray drive?

Really does take some nerve to say that when they also said that things line HDMI and internal Wi-fi weren't needed, and they then added them to the system later. Followed after what the PS3 did day-one.

morganfell3962d ago

"We can't just flip a switch and turn off drm, the console was built around it"

And therein lies JUST ONE of the issues facing the Xbox. You do not take a system designed to function in one manner and then without hardware revisions completely alter its planned method of operation.

testerg353962d ago

Godmars290,

Didn't original PS3 specs say 2 HDMI and games were going to be 120fps?

Also didn't Sony say that rumble in controllers were last gen, but then paid the license and added it the controller afterwards? I should know I had a launch PS3 and had to buy another set of controllers.

xXBlondieVanHarlowXx3962d ago

Wow, that Major Nelson guy is a major douchebag.

You knew he was pissed when he took the interviewer's microphone lol xD

Death3962d ago

The vast majority of games ran natively at 720p. The ones that ran 1080p were upscaled and not "True HD". HDMI was needed to jump from native 1080i to native 1080p. Development costs and time keep games from being true 1080p games. Blu-ray's only impact on games this last gen was the couple games that used multiple DVD's. If you thought those couple games justified the higher price tag and marketshare loss, I have a SegaCD I can sell you.

Why o why3962d ago (Edited 3962d ago )

Sorry death. Most of sonys exclusives were over dvd <9. You may not appreciate the benefits but many multiplat devs had no choice but to develop with the lowest denominator in mind. Worst of all, the 360's media actually had less space than the gen before it. Why would any multiplatform dev want to lose out on all those potential 360 buyers. Dvd<9 held back some games for sure...not all but definitely some.

Godmars2903962d ago

@testerg35:
"Didn't original PS3 specs say 2 HDMI and games were going to be 120fps?"

You mean the leaked specs before the official announcement? What about them?

Its the same as not recognizing that Sony was actively in a lawsuit over rumble, lost forcing them to put PR spin over not being about to include, then putting it in after settling.

To equate it with what's going on now Sony would have had no intention of including rumble from the beginning, put the PS3 out with it losing sales because of it, and then bringing it back as if giving into some "future" vision because of complaints.

testerg353962d ago

Godmars290, so Sony instead released a rumble-less controller knowing that they will be releasing a new one and that users would need to upgrade. So I had to buy a new pair. Sony didn't offer any exchanges from what I remember. Where as MS hasn't released anything yet which never affected users since it never existed.

Godmars2903962d ago

@testerg35:
I'm saying that Sony didn't know if they could ever have rumble on any system they made ever again.

As for MS, not putting in or waiting for HD-DVD effected their customer's plenty. From people who bought the add-on, to others who's consoles bricked because of updates. Then there are the Arcade SKUs which didn't have HDD, that had to be bought separately. Even XBL because its something extra that people have to pay more for just to get basic features out of the console they bought. With most of its games multiplayer.

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THEDON82z13962d ago

This is the sh@t I am talking about M$ is full of it, there integrity stinks (you cant fukn trust anything they say) Instead of just admitting it was a bad move they try to pull a PR spin. I am so glad I game on ps4, Sony even apologized and admitted that they had to do mandatory charge PS+(only multiplayer online portion) to keep there business model sustainable. Now that M$ was forced to remove that DRM shit it all of a sudden was the plan( give me a break). I would not be suprised if a few years down the line they bring that sh@t right back. Simply because if it was truly gone you would not need a mandatory update on DAY1. Gamers dont fukn trust them M$ is a company that does not give a dame about your feelings, and they have a plan that simply got delayed.There monopolistic ways have been well documented in the pc arena, the simple fact is that arena is dying and now they are looking to control any arena that is open enough for them to slip into.

testerg353962d ago

Umm.. I thought all they said was that there was going to be a day 1 patch regardless of DRM stance.

WiiU had a day one patch and it had nothing to do with DRM.

I am guessing that if Sony had or does have a day 1 fw update you'll say Sony is always upgrading their OS because they care about the customers.

THEDON82z13962d ago

@testerg35=The difference is it is mandatory you can not play until you can connect to the internet simple as that....Which makes me feel like it not really gone just delayed!!!!

Garbanjo0013962d ago

That's just stupid! If they said "hey we have 2 options for you to get games, and if you don't like the one you can use the other." Seems a little hokey to me. If they said that there was 2 ways to get games, and only revealed one at day one, then why is it that they didn't talk about it sooner instead of trampling the whole damn thing to death? And taking away the idea of "family share?" it sounds to me like they wanted to move to all digital, pushed the idea out there, saw the outcry, and then said "alright, my bad, just kidding. Here is the real XBox One."

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maniacmayhem3963d ago

Didn't the WiiU have a day one patch?

Why the big deal and why are there multiple articles submitted dealing with the same thing?

Transporter473963d ago

The difference is that this is for DRM. WiiU was to patch a few bugs.

maniacmayhem3963d ago

Again, why the big deal and why the multiple posts for this same story.

They have a day one patch...who cares.

MariaHelFutura3963d ago

Kindly refer to comment 1.2

Thanks.

BitbyDeath3962d ago (Edited 3962d ago )

WiiU patch wasn't required to play games on the console. (Anyone could buy it and play it without ever going online or downloading the patch)

Xbone's patch is required to play the console as you need an online connection to turn off the online connection. (Not everyone has internet so for millions of people this console will be no more than a door stop)

maniacmayhem3962d ago

So then people without internet shouldn't get the XboxWon. Again, what is the problem?

BitbyDeath3962d ago

"Again, what is the problem?"

People without internet cannot buy it.
Which is roughly 30-40 million of 360's current install base.

maniacmayhem3957d ago

Something tells me that won't be a problem.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7219h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle6h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18813h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio3h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga5h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21834h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga3h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1018h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos8h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac7h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1016h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 13h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 10h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 5h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 1h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 13h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic23h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9022h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 14h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 11h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 14h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 13h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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