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Retro City Rampage Dev Exposes Microsoft’s Brutal Tactics with Indies: “A bottleneck, damaged PR”

Microsoft backtracked on its DRM policies, but there’s one thing Redmond’s corporation is still dreadfully silent on, and that’s its treatment of indie studios that would like to publish their games on Xbox Live Arcade.

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ElementX3963d ago

I'll always play indie games on PC except for console exclusives. You can get many games on Steam and Greenmangaming on sale. I check out cheapshark .com for the best prices

Abriael3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

Yep, even more than steam, humble bundles are a real treat (and they give you the steam code anyway), though not everyone has a gaming PC, and Microsoft's policies actually prevent studios to publish on PC.

edit below: I actually had missed those, will look for them this evening, thanks.

ElementX3963d ago

Very true, I just bought a bundle yesterday. Also check out indiegala and indieroyale they have bundles also

Software_Lover3963d ago

..........Steam is PC. You really dont need a gaming pc, per say, to play most indie games. Just a decent pc all the same.

The_Con-Sept3963d ago

Every other platform besides Xbox 360 Xbox 1 Wii WiiU PS3 and PSP have easily accessible publishing tools alloted to them. Seeing Xbox 1 being so stagnant while PS4 and PSVita evolved only means indie developers are making progress.

scruffy_bear3963d ago

MS policies on indie games will bite them in ass

miyamoto3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

The gamers have spoken with their wallets. Now its the game makers turn to voice their concerns and expose M$. My body is ready for the next turn around of events.

Gotham's Greed
We need the Batman asap

omi25p3963d ago

I never understand why developers moan about MS not catering for indies.

On the 360 right now there and thousands of REAL indie games. From the terrible to the weird to the good.

Retro City rampage is a AAA title in comparison to these games.

kenshiro1003962d ago

...You're kidding, right? If Sony and Nintendo can do it, then why can't Microsoft? Indie developers deserve as much respect as other developers out there.

omi25p3962d ago

Thats exactly what im saying.

There is a whole marketplace on the 360 for indie developers to publisher games.

There are games on there that are published by teenagers at college studying game development.

There are hundreds and hundreds of games created by real indie developers.

I never said Microsoft didnt, I said they did.

GamersHeaven3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

Wow that is dirty glad microsoft bullying ways never won them a console generation this looks be there last.

nukeitall3963d ago

I don't understand this, there is a choice here, get published with MS then accept their policies or get published with a 3rd party.

It's like me complaining I don't like paying taxes, because I pay way more than the average. Now that is the crap I don't have a choice in the matter, but indie gamers has an option!

HammadTheBeast3963d ago

Yeah but they charge $10 k per update, and getting a publisher is no way near as easy as you make it to be.

XabiDaChosenOne3962d ago

Why can't they allow publishers the ability to self publish? Why are they making indie devs jump through hoops to put games on their console? I would like to hear your apologetic excuse for this.

nukeitall3962d ago (Edited 3962d ago )

@Kobe357:

Have you heard of Xbox Live Indie Games? Have you seen the quality of games there?

Which by the way is the only platform you can self publish on console without jumping through hoops!

PS4, Wii U and even Steam goes through a process of selection usually by the console manufacturer. The only real difference is MS makes you make a deal with a publisher to get proper marketing or go through MS, but with a deal.

The publishing is a curation process that is to find the gems from the vast majority of crap.

Also, have you seen the quality of games on Android and iPhone that is completely self publishing just like Xbox Live Indie Games?

So before you little fangirls start worshipping, you ought to really research and look at the facts before joining all the sheeps and chanting their biased BS!

XabiDaChosenOne3962d ago

What is your definition of hoops? They obviously have to do so if they have to find a publisher and/or let microsoft publish.
"Which by the way is the only platform you can self publish on console without jumping through hoops!"
Lol what? lmao obviously not by the crys of the devs.
"The publishing is a curation process that is to find the gems from the vast majority of crap."
Excuses, they are trying to get a huge cut out of the indies profits, that pretty much all it is.
If Microsoft is so good to developers as you are trying to make it seem than nobody would be complaining.

nukeitall3962d ago (Edited 3962d ago )

@Kobe:

Clearly you again open your mouth without knowing. I said Xbox Live "INDIE" games.

Anyone with PC, an Xbox 360 and a $100 can publish their game on Xbox 360. No hoops meaning thøere is no real approval process beyond peer approval process.

XabiDaChosenOne3959d ago

obviously this does not apply to the Xbone which is what I was referring to in the first place face/palm.

nukeitall3958d ago

@Kobe357:

The point was that goodwill didn't net MS anything, yet give them a bad reputation that continues with Xbox One.

It seems the non-existant real indie gamers (the ones sitting at home, not the established smaller companies) aren't really supported by Sony.

Still MS is the only one that still offers it. I would hardly call any of the other approaches indie friendly.

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WalterWJR3963d ago

Get Stealth bastard with this weeks humble bundle. Brilliant game.

Abriael3963d ago (Edited 3963d ago )

Got it, it's fun as hell. I agree. And don't forget Broken Sword: Director’s Cut. It wasn't born as indie, but it's still a classic.

PerryCaravello3963d ago

it's too late to change the drm thing... they've already fucked up

tell everyone that the xboxone blocks used games, its funnier that way and no one will know the truth

IM DOING IT. BECAUSE I CAN.

haha!

Raccoon3963d ago

These greddy bastards are useless to me! Im a cosumer and i want sh*t my way or the highway! The boss is always the one paying...

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7212h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

purple1011h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos1h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac23m ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad8m ago(Edited 7m ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 8h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 6h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 3h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN20h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo22h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies18h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 6h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic16h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9015h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 8h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 7h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 4h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 7h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 6h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman11d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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