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Xbox One's E3 showing "very unprofessionally done," says Molyneux

Sony and Microsoft squaring off at E3 felt like "two frat houses," the 22Cans boss tells us, while lamenting how insular the industry still is

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jc485733970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

I can't open the page to read. Anybody knows what he is saying about E3? Only got the frat part.

MikeyDucati13970d ago

This is what he's saying...

"I just think it was very unprofessionally done. There was one message from one Phil and then another message from another Phil," Molyneux continued, referring to Phil Spencer and Phil Harrison, "and they seemed to be kind of shooting from the hip. Always online is simple for me. As a consumer, just show me why I should be always online and I'll be happy with it. At the moment, it just means game sale authentication. I don't want that. But if there's some way you can give a huge benefit for the consumer, and make the message super clear, [it would be accepted]."

"Right now it's not very clear; it went from once every 24 hours to not at all to all the time, and I got very confused by it. They just need to be very clear, focus on the benefits, and after a while, we'll be in the same place as this," he said, pointing to a smartphone. "This has to be always online and we didn't have to think about it. Things like Clash of Clans is always online, and I don't mind, I don't care, I just enjoy playing Clash of Clans. So I think it's a little hiccup in the industry. I think consumers are being spun up by things like Twitter and Facebook."

"We need, as an industry, to be super clear to our consumers, and when you're at E3 you kind of forget about consumers for a while. It just seems to be all about the show."

"I do worry sometimes when I come to E3, especially this E3, I worry just how much we're pushing the industry forward. It's not about the indies and - I'm probably going to get into trouble for saying this - it's not about bringing new people and consumers into the game industry. It's about pleasing existing gamers," Molyneux commented. "The whole design of the consoles is about pleasing existing gamers, and actually what Microsoft did was they went from the first press conference and they kind of lost their nerve a bit, and they said, 'Oh crikey, we better just nail the core consumers.' I don't know whether that vision of how to interact with our audience is the right vision, to say we're all about core, that's who our audience is, we know how many Call of Dutys we're going to sell."

"If we look at [the industry's] 10-year future or 20-year future, if we still continue to be inward looking rather than outward looking, I worry about it. That's why I think the indies, myself included, [have to push games forward]. We should be appealing to new audiences, we should be using this insane, crazy tech in a completely different, game-changing way, so these huge corporations turn around and say, 'you know what, maybe we should look at that software'."

jc485733970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

same old, but not many developers are willing to do the walk. I'm confident they have the power to convince gamers in many ways, but we see nothing but greed.

shoddy3970d ago

Agree MS should make it clear without shame.
In another word be professional

Bimkoblerutso3970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

God...Peter Molyneux. When he's not irking me, he's simply confusing me.

He doesn't ACTUALLY denounce anything Microsoft is doing, he just suggests that we don't understand it. That irks me.

indysurfn3970d ago

not this Peter again, glad he is angry though!

DOMination-3970d ago

I think hes trying to suggest that if theres a benefit to aoways online like the games being really cheap then people are more likely to accept it but MS hasnt announced game prices nor any other benefits so their message is unclear. The fact is, I dont think there are any substantial benefits for the end user in their current model except the cloud stuff (still skeptical)

DVAcme3970d ago

You know what's unprofessional, Peter Molyneux? Being as unclear in this interview as Microsoft's been the entirety of E3 and making each Fable game worse than the last. The first Fable's the only really impressive one, every other has been successively worse.

MYSTERIO3603970d ago

Let just hope Sony continue to support the development of new indie games if MS aren't willing to

Godmars2903970d ago

So he knocks both MS and Sony but only gives reason to knock MS. Does by stating what Sony actually did, which was be straight and forward with their intentions.

Darrius Cole3970d ago

That's right Peter they need to be perfectly clear. Like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

You've all seen it buy now. Someone should show it to Peter.

Ritsujun3970d ago

Too many Phil's.
Let's just throw the Xbones to feed the hungry CODogs.

BattleTorn3969d ago

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I think Peter is being very sensical

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s8anicslayer3970d ago

That's not what he was saying on IGN Live, man he is a Hippocrate!

sway_z3970d ago

So he's not entitled to change his opinion?

papashango3970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

a day later?

for what reason? it's not like MS's opinion or stance changed

sway_z3970d ago

You lot are a tough bunch lol

I'm not saying he's right to change his stance, just that he's entitled to.

I don't mind disagrees, I value opinions...

No worries :)

Garbanjo0013970d ago

He is in front of the press in front of the world. That's a lawsuit waiting to happen if he calls bullshit on a company he used to work for. He had to walk the line during the IGN shit.

I like his opinion because he calls it as it is, a man of his stature knows where the console market and games in general is headed. . .

I am a firm believer in the indie scene, look at what it does for music in local areas? Scenes blow up and then you have "Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Muddhoney, Screaming Trees . . ." All due to one indie band making it out (Nirvana) and then they all followed suit. It's nice doing things your own way, Indies have a lot of potential in games, this is only the surface we're scratching. Lots of big titles were started from indie games, look at every game from circa 1995. Great games until the year 2002.

Cam9773970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

As in a crate of hippos?
I kid, but I just thought I'd point that out for you, what you want is 'hypocrite'.

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showtimefolks3970d ago

i usually don't agree with him but he is so right just like nintendo's message with wiiu wasn't clear now MS is making the same mistake

just show us the consumers why online every 24hours works and what sort of benefits are there for us

but knowing MS they will throw a lot of money advertisement wise to try to fool people into buying one

IMO more than there message what really was crappy was their price point, how come sony has a stronger machine using higher costing ram yet selling for $100 less? and why force people to buy kinect 2? now we gonna have to hear it with every game. better with kinect 2

sony's job is so much easier and they will take some jabs at MS with their advertisement and gaming sharing which they have already done

madpuppy3970d ago

The problem is when you don't explain something that drastically changes how things have always been and just say how it will be better and that's it the consumer perceives that you are hiding something from them that is not in their benefit. and that instinct is almost right every time.

dennett3163970d ago

There really are no benefits, it's only in place to solve a problem that MS created in the first place - the online check in to make sure you're not sharing a single copy of a game with everyone you know.
My PS3 is connected to the internet via ethernet, but it's not constantly online. If I want to go online for multiplayer or whatever, that becomes available to me once I choose the option in game. My console will automatically download patches for me at a set time every night, the console turns itself on and downloads what I need....no need to be constantly online to do that.
At the end of the day, the only benefit of the 24 hour check in, or always online for a game like Sim City or Diablo 3, is DRM...and that only benefits Microsoft.

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SEAN16173970d ago

Molyneux, stop your darn hot air balloons, you lie more than a hooker on over time. You just want positive PR.

SEAN16173970d ago

I am stating that He loves Microsoft and whatever he says now is just back peddling.

AngelicIceDiamond3970d ago

Peter's just mad because he can't get his job back.

badz1493970d ago

Adam Orth is even more pissed! acting totally like Don but still lost his job!

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ScubbaSteve3970d ago

There's a joke in there about how they both say you can do anything but take it back when you start asking about the dog. I'm going to take one of my bubbles away for dirty thoughts now.

HeavenlySnipes3970d ago

They really should have addresses people's concerns over the DRM and try to sell the system to people that have wrote it off because of it. Bad move by MS ignoring that

MikeyDucati13970d ago (Edited 3970d ago )

If you think about it though, all it would do is give critics more fuel to add to the flame. They said enough about it in its reveal. Their best bet was to do just what they did...show games. Show the consumer base and the possible future consumer base what you have to offer in other departments that can help you forget about the messy subject of DRM.

@cyguration

LOL! Nice play with the 1984 reference. I was telling my friend (who doesn't get into gaming like I do) about the features of Xbox and he immediately referenced that classic story.

uncharted563970d ago

Not if as Moleyneux said they would be had been clear about it and showed the benefits. They would tell me that by always being online I will get this benefit I will experience the games in this new way and they had to show something utilizing this in a very exciting and positive way. But they didn't do that

C-Thunder3970d ago

They can't because their stance on the issue sucks.

cyguration3970d ago

This.

Why do people keep saying "they should address the DRM"? Why?

THE DRM IS THE XBOX ONE'S OFFICIAL POLICY.

It seems like it's hard for people to understand that it's essentially CISPA/PIPA/SOPA in a box.

The Xbox 1(984) is not a consumer friendly device. It is DRM The Box. Microsoft going on stage to defend those policies would have been brand suicide, and I agree, the issue sucks.

DARK WITNESS3970d ago

the thing is what more could they really say..

they already released the official statement on their website which explained everything we need to know about all the bullshit policies.

The only thing it didn't go into is how (for me as a hardcore gamer) is it of any benefit.. They could not answer that in the official statement and they could not answer that at E3 either because there is no real benefit.

They just keep saying it adds value and thats it. MS already know they have lost the core gamers or at least the ones who actually think for themselves. They know they are just keeping the sheep who can't think past the sound of their voice saying "xbox on".

they will end up in the same place nintendo have found themselves that is trying their best to get the core gamers back on their side after realizing that casuals only buy a handful of games and then forget that they own the system except when they are drunk.

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nevin13970d ago

Wait............I thought he said Xbox will win E3 and next gen?

Narutone663970d ago

They won for the worst console reveal ever.

dalibor3970d ago

I really wasn't expecting MS to do that bad. I mean you did great with the 360 why mess that up(except the rrod fiasco). Sony and Nintendo still have not gone the route that MS has with all those crazy a** features and if they do then there is the PC to save us and retro gaming. And if something like this should happen maybe Sega might release a system... maybe... just maybe lol

IcicleTrepan3970d ago

He probably meant they'd win if they let him on the stage to talk about something

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7215h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle2h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Cacabunga1h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218356m ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

purple1014h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos4h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac3h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1012h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic57m ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 11h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 9h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 6h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN23h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 1h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies21h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 9h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic19h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9018h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 11h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 10h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 7h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 10h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 9h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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