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Gamestop: 'Xbox has said that they do support' used games market

Joystiq - Gamestop's approach to the Xbox One's nebulous pre-owned game policies – which may include charging players a fee for booting up a used game – involves emphasis on digital adaptation, and letting Microsoft do the talking.

NatureOfLogic4008d ago

Gamestop sounds just as clueless as MS.

zeal0us4008d ago

Microsoft told Gamestop what it wanted it to hear NOT what it needed it to hear.

morganfell4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

Gamestop has to take this stance regardless of the facts. To publicly state otherwise is to commit stock price suicide.

Remember, Gamestop acts to protect its investors first, the game companies second, and the gamer dead last.

Its not that they act to protect the gamer even then, merely its the simple truth that in the eyes of Gamestop no one ranks below the gamers at the bottom of the list.

JokesOnYou4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

Uhm so what will you say if sony does something similar to micro for used games?...because unless I missed some new press release with a concrete statement that they wont have any used game *FEES* then they just might be headed down the same road.

DivineAssault 4008d ago

umm joker, if sony does charge for used games, thats 1 negative thing about nx gen machines.. Sony wont require internet & require game installs on top of it

MariaHelFutura4008d ago

The president of Sony said "We won't block used games" a month or two ago.

GamingWorldPeace4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

@MariaHelFutura,
MS also stated a couple days ago that they will also not block used games. Can you find me quote in which Sony said they will not charged a second purchased/online fee involving used game? The answer I keep hearing is "we have no announcement at this time" and it sounds awfully similar to MS response of "we will announce used game trades at retails at a later date"

@DevineAssult,
Also, I never once heard Sony announced that PS4 games don't require game installs. Did Sony announced that at their conference?

MariaHelFutura4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

Please link me where they said they have no announcements at this time regarding used games?

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

GamingWorldPeace4008d ago

^^^
"When asked whether games would require online registration, Yoshida noted that that decision was up to the publisher. When asked if Sony, as a publisher, would require games to be registered online, Yoshida said, "we are not talking about that plan."
http://arstechnica.com/gami...

MariaHelFutura4008d ago

"I sat down with Yoshida a few hours after the PS4 reveal tonight and one of the first things I asked was whether used games would be blocked.

"Do you want us to do that?" he asked.

No, I said. I think, if you buy something on a disc, that you have a kind of moral contract with the person you've bought it from that you retain some of that value and you can pass it on.

Do you agree, I asked?

"Yes. That's the general expectation by consumers," said Yoshida. "They purchase physical form, they want to use it everywhere, right? So that's my expectation."

JokesOnYou4007d ago (Edited 4007d ago )

"So that's my expectation."

-Have you ever watched politics, that's the type of campaign answer you give when you want the voter to think you are going to do something AFTER you're elected while at the same time its a way to hide you're intentions of doing what your $lobbyist paid you for....then when confronted about why you flip flopped you just say you only said it was an "expectation"/a goal/objective/you tried but unfortunately its Democrats/Republicans fault it didn't happen. [camera off] [laughs all the way to the bank]. Again nowhere has sony confirmed there won't be any type of used game fees.

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dedicatedtogamers4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

So, to sum:

"Microsoft told us, and now we're telling you, that Xbox does support used games market. They didn't specify that 'support' means 'adding a fee', or that 'used games market' means 'Microsoft-run online swap-meet'. But yeah, they 'support' it so there you go"

("but on a side note, I'm not going to mention that GS stock dropped on May 21st after Microsoft's announcement")

Xbone: Call of Doggy. Please be excited.

My_Name_BTW_Is_Dante4008d ago

Wake up to what? Gamestop was told that it can sell used games and that people will be able to play used games on the Xbox One. That is ALL Gamestop cares about (being able to sell used games).

Gamestop doesn't care if the consumer has to pay an extra fee to play it after he buys it.

Rusty5154008d ago

Yeah. We know they do. For a price... >_>

SexyGamerDude4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

I wonder what Gamefly has to say about this stuff. This will really hurt their business.

Double_O_Revan4008d ago

There's a whole division lost for them. That blows. Just thinking about the new commercials for them.
"Subscribe to Gamefly, where you can rent you favorite PS4 and WiiU games, but not Xbox One, because they think your stealing unless you buy a game new. Sorry kids."

whoyouwit044008d ago

And what the hell makes you think sony wont block used games; when we know for a fact they have it patent. I so wish I would be able to see the look on you sony fan boys face if they do announce they will block used games.

NegativeCreepWA4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

Its possible to make rental disc, that'll cost places like gamefly a premium. Its already done with blurays, so the option is there. Half the movies I receive from netflix, the special features are locked.

M-M4008d ago

Of course they do, because when they trade it in to a place like Gamestop Microsoft knows they're getting an extra $60.

-MD-4008d ago (Edited 4008d ago )

What's the point of buying a used game if it's full price though? That makes no sense to me.

Is Microsoft drunk?

RonRico4008d ago

Exactly. I don't see how a used disk, that must be paid for/unlocked again to play, would have any value.

NegativeCreepWA4008d ago

The bright side is, it could force Gamestop too lower the outrageously high prices of their used games.

badz1494008d ago

try full price + GS price!

you buy the used game from GS and then you have to pay full price to MS to activate it. so...it will be like you're donating your money to GS!

GS can strike back by refusing all XB1 trade in. because user can buy a game, install it and then go straight back to the store for highest trade in value possible. gamers who know best will not be buying used copies and GS will be lest with MANY MANY unsold used copies!

so...the only way to prevent this is to refuse trade in all together. There will be no more impulse/blind purchase by gamers, no return, no trade in value or whatsoever! maybe by then gamer can start talking with their wallet and stop buying this scam and MAYBE....just MAYBE, M$ will rethink their strategy!

rainslacker4008d ago

That's not a bright side negative. This whole things sounds like GS will just facilitate the redistribution of already purchased content, but most of the money will still remain within MS. Although in this case it will be handled in store. Gamestop will receive a kickback, like they do currently with DLC content sold in store. It's possible they could unregister a person's disc though if turned in.

Effectively though it means that MS or the publishers will now control trade in prices and the resell price of those games...which will likely be like Gamestops current policy of $5-10 less than what a new game cost.

It's good for the pubs and MS as it means they are getting money off 2nd hand sales. It's not good for the gamer, because it means most of this is very limiting to them in terms of choice.

All this is pure speculation mind you, but I wouldn't doubt it goes this way. GameStop is too big to just cut off completely right now. But I wouldn't doubt that publishers want to lessen their influence in the market for their eventual demise.

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Eldyraen4008d ago

From the sound of it, 100% true--assuming same price point.

From what I've read and understand the disc is primarily being used as a physical distribution system to keep from having to download the game online. With all of the "Cloud" and "License" talk MS has been focusing on anyways they are seemingly only really supporting physical discs for those that lack the internet speed/limit to handle that kind of volume (or those that like to pretend they own the content/collect games).

Its an unfortunate and unwanted evolution for consoles (any product actually) and can lead to some serious problems for all parties involved.

GamersRulz4008d ago

what a back stap from MS. Reaching Gamestop before the conference and lying to them about used games!

I'm expecting Gamestop to promote PS4 like crazy.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk773h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE3m ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus231d 18h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 10h ago

So you do understand it or..?

rokos1d 8h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331d 7h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC22h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d 12h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear211d 6h ago (Edited 1d 6h ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k42d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC22h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615861d 7h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k41d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k41d 2h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody2d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead1d 16h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage1d 10h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast2d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel1d 17h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19791d 7h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage1d 9h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead3d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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