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Microsoft: Xbox One will offer 'the best-looking games in the living room'

Xbox One's chief product officer March Whitten has claimed that the console will offer "the best-looking games in the living room" - despite PS4's specs appearing to provide more raw power to developers.

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windblowsagain3992d ago

Just no!

I'd look at what PS4 brings personally, as most of the best looking titles are on the PS3.

Naughty dog on PS4. Ahh I cannot wait.

BiggCMan3992d ago

Actually yes it will, because I won't be using my PS4 and PC in my living room :D

thechosenone3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

^^lol

and of course Mr.Whitten is lying mofo.
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

greatest gif ever conceived
http://i.minus.com/iBzvb2JS...
neogaf user: SunhiLegend

BigFnHooters3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

"Of course he's lying."

He knows he's lying.
Gamers know he's lying.

But this means that unlike Nintendo, Microsoft is going to:

* Continue to spout BS about the Xbox One being in the same league as the PS4 in graphics

* Microsoft's huge number of gaming media drones are going to feed off this BS to make sure they trash every amazing PS4 exclusive's graphics

* Microsoft will continue their sickening practice from last gen of using contracts to force third party developers to gimp their games graphically down to Xbox levels instead of utilizing the full power of the PS4

Just look at what Nintendo did with the Wii and Wii U. They made systems that were weaker than the PS3/PS4 but they were completely honest about it.

The tiny number of Xbox fans left are constantly crying about how unfair they feel the gaming world is treating them. It's crap like this...

aCasualGamer3992d ago

Okey, lets put this to perspective just from the two console reveals:

1. Killzone: Shadow Fall looked better than Call of Duty: Ghosts( do remember, Call of duty will also come to PS4 so it's not even an exclusive )

2. Driveclub looked better than Forza 5

3. Infamous: Second Son looked better than Quantum Break

4. The PS4 specs that were shown from Sony event are better than the Xbox One specs that were shown from Microsoft event

5. Inorder to run the OS of Xbox One, there seems to be lots of RAM required more so than the PS4 atleast, which in turn means that the 8GB DDR3 in the Xbox One isn't enough to even touch the 8GB GDDR5 in the PS4 and means that Sony has more RAM and power for their exclusive titles and in the hands of the top graphical developers out there, there is no chance Xbox One can produce "the best looking games"

There, I just gave this delusional March Whitten five reasons why Xbox One won't have the "best looking" games.

That-Guy3991d ago

Microsoft, show us the games and then we'll talk.

Braid3991d ago

How about the bedroom, or the attic, or the basement? Will it have the best looking games there as well?

Oh cut it will you, they didn't even talk about the type of RAM and the GPU specs. They didn't even show any actual gameplay, and then comes this. Very convincing, if you ask me.

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delicia3992d ago

He just means we'll watch NFL and pretend it's a Madden game.

Nodoze3992d ago

You know; Football (fantasy), Basketball (fantasy), ESPN, NFL etc

Those games. At least that is what I got from the conference.

They are not talking about videogames, they are talking about basketball games, football games etc all the TV content.

mmccarthy43992d ago

15 apparently im geussing 6 or 7 out of that will be core games though which still isn't terrible

LoveOfTheGame3992d ago

So X1 has no games and the PS4 only has games but no console.

If only we could combine the two.

shinrock3991d ago (Edited 3991d ago )

Will offer. Read.

DonFreezer3991d ago

15 exclusive games you stupid a** ps drone.

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nypifisel3992d ago

Actually tech savvy people have already analysed the two consoles. According to them the PS4 GPU is up towards 50% faster (all parameters included) than what's in the X1.

quenomamen3992d ago

There you go using facts, we dont like facts round these parts partner.

nypifisel3992d ago

I'll just assume you're being sarcastic. So even though I thought there were no need to publish a source since it had already been published above me I will do it, Here you go PARTNER!:
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

Christopher3992d ago

*plugs PC into TV*

I'm sorry, what were you saying?

Maddens Raiders3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

you mean like the 360 didn't? #stoplyingmicrosoft the PS4 is more powerful. #dealwithit

I_am_Batman3992d ago

So Playstation 4 has more raw power and is easier to develop for but Xbox One will have better looking games? sounds legit.

The thing with the additional processing power through the cloud is:

1. Most people do not have the bandwidth to benefit from it yet.
2. Sony has the possibility to do the same thing with gaikai.

mmccarthy43992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

both use x86 architexture and not really any info on xbox specs(8gb of ram but not what type of ram not that ram directly = power) to say ps4 has more power so .......

I_am_Batman3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

@mmccarthy4: Microsoft didn't specify the ram in the conference but they confirmed that they will use ESRAM in the Architecture Panel show. So it's save to say that the type of RAM they are using is DDR3 (Therefore it's save to say it'll be harder to develop for compared to a system with GDDR5 unified memory).

They also said that The Xbox One GPU will be capable of 768 operations per clock. Which means they are using 12 compute units compared to the 18 compute units on the PS4 GPU.

Boody-Bandit3992d ago

@mmccarthy4

"not really any info on xbox specs to say ps4 has more power so ....... "

Fast forward to reality: http://www.anandtech.com/sh...

You were saying?

Boody-Bandit3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

I think it's sad that any one from MS would make such a statement when they did not show ONE game with actual in-game graphics from a gamers perspective. Even Infinity said here is the premiere of Call of Duty Ghost using the in game graphics engine. Yeah cut scenes using the in game graphics engine which all gamers know is more polished than actual gameplay graphics. Even still they didn't look all that great. So what does that say about the actual in-game graphics? Sorry MS. I'm a huge fan of the 360 but I'm not biting on this bait.

Sony didn't show their actual console at their reveal but AT THE VERY LEAST they showed actual games up and running and not trailers and cut scenes.

#doyousmellwhatyoureshoveling

leogets3991d ago

they were to busy designing the remote control to fit in his pocket for the fake voice controlled demonstration
along side the fake applause to go with it.

Hercules1893992d ago

The ps3 is "supposedly much more powerful" than the 360, yet the 360 is still neck and neck with ps3, compare halo4 gears crysis to kz3, uc, only noticable difference is maybe special effects, lighting and textures are just about the same and im predicting itll be comparable next gen too. If you disagree youre probably just a troll and it doesnt bother me if you disagree, and just remember the ps3 launch games looked like shit compared to the 360 games at the time.

sourav933992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

Well, the 360 gpu was better than the ps3's, but the ps3 had a better cpu. Both were of completely different architectures. This time round, they have the exact same suppliers for the innards and have almost identical architectures. Only different this time round is, MS opted for a weaker GPU (1.2 TFlops vs Sony's 1.84 TFlops) and dished out for the 32MB high bandwidth ESRAM (though actually system RAM is 8GB DDR3), with Sony going for the high bandwidth 8GB GDDR5 unified memory. The CPU for both is of the AMD Jaguar architecture.

So when it comes to games (if there any for the One j/k), I think multiplats will look more or less similar for both, with ps4 having a slight edge. Slight only because the devs wouldn't want to make one system look weaker than the other. The biggest difference will be seen, once again, in exclusives. Let's see what they've got in store for us at E3.

cooperdnizzle3992d ago

I think its funny you say, if anyone disagrees they are a troll/fanboy. I think you are the fanboy, there is no way that the ps3 and 360 are close, last of us, beyond two souls, God Of war A, killzone, and uncharted are hands down better than anything 360 has.

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Lior3992d ago

is it me or its the wii u burial at E3 when sony and microsoft show off the games

MRMagoo1233991d ago

i think its gonna be a burial for the xbone, i am thinkinh a wiiu is looking better than it at the mo. ps4 seems to be miles ahead at the mo

Cyfyxtfg3992d ago

Xbox possibilities got me hype. the show however did not excite me as much as i had hoped

3-4-53992d ago

So it's in the living room and the cable is hooked up and somebody wants to watch a show, but you want to play games.......

Now what ?

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Blank3992d ago

Great link here goes the MS PR speak normally im not negative about console but their conference didnt show squat sure there is E3 but if it really is THAT GOOD AND "BEST" show it after kinect 1 they had me fooled in the xbox one reveal nothing but CGI trailers but nevertheless im still keeping one open eye for their E3 conference no matter how dwinled my faith is in their vision.

maxgamehard3992d ago

That article is a good read

I was concerned about the following statement though --> "The funny thing about game consoles is that it’s usually the lowest common denominator that determines the bulk of the experience across all platforms."

I hope that the game developers try to utilize as much of the power as possible. It would be upsetting if they don't utilize that extra PS4 power.

Boody-Bandit3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

Double_Oh_Snap

This is what defined the direction MS is headed vs their competitor' "quoted from the article: The Xbox One still gives game developers a significant performance boost over the previous generation, but also attempts to widen the audience for the console. It’s a risky strategy for sure, especially given the similarities in the underlying architectures between the Xbox One and PS4. If the market for high-end game consoles has already hit its peak, then Microsoft’s approach is likely the right one from a business standpoint. If the market for dedicated high-end game consoles hasn’t peaked however, Microsoft will have to rely even more on the Kinect experience, TV integration and its exclusive franchises to compete."

In other words MS made sacrifices for gaming to go after a different demographic (social media, tv, sports fans) other than gamers. This is what I'm worried about and I honestly think this will bite them in the ass.

Even though I'm a 360 fan I have always said MS appears to only have 1 foot in the door of this industry. Now it's as if they just have the door open and pulled back the one foot while pondering to shut the door and head in a different direction.

From a business standpoint this might turn out to be a good move for MS but for gamers we will have to wait and see. I not only have my doubts but I'm not hopeful they have their once core audience interest at heart anymore. I went from an absolute 1st day camp out over night if I have to must buy to a wait until E3 and maybe even weeks up till launch. Right now MS has to win me back because, although I will more than likely get an XBOX ONE, I'm less than thrilled with the direction they obviously are headed.

If Always on, Kinect camera has to be connected at all times and used and rental games fees are a reality? I might possibly sit this one out. At the very least wait for several months or upwards of a year.

greenpowerz3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

"Xbox Can and will use Azure cloud computing plaform. Its hardware specs are just to assist with cloud computing streaming for more advanced applications and gaming needs. MSFT's new cloud system and new servers are not just for content.

MSFT is trying to do something HUGE and BOLD and people are just not getting it. XBOX One's specs don't really matter because it true specs are in the cloud on advanced servers.

Xbox One in reality does not have console hardware limitations. It will be pumping out games on par with PC long after other consoles are maxed out, that is MSFT's vision and design.

I'm very excited... MSFT invested most of Xbox's One's capability in the Cloud with powerful state of the art servers to help Xbox One off laod computing for perfomance not possible on any hardware and some PC's because it's processing is streamed from hardware not possible to own"

Really excited. What people are complaining about mostly has all to do with misunderstanding this. I'm not sure how people are claiming PS4 is more powerful based on an unknown custom Xbox One CPU and what type of RAM used with the rest of the hardware in each platform.

EDIT

Munky

It would mean always online for enhanced games or versions of games not possible anywhere else. That doesn't mean people can't use the lesser versions of games or standard multi plat and exclusive games. Yes if you wan't PC level games for years to come you need online, it doesn't mean people without online will have nothing.

It will be essentially a high end PC marketplace for full games or just to enhances and game in general if developers wan't to. It means Some Xbox One games will be released along side PC version Virtually Unchanged long after other consoles are maxed out.

Fixed processing power on the console itself is a thing of the past with XB1

I honestly think this is the real root of the haters crusade.

Double_Oh_Snap3992d ago (Edited 3992d ago )

How much cloud computing will they honestly be able to offload to people with broadband connections?
Maybe MS is looking to the future when more people have fiber.
At least then the idea seems to make more sense.

Also PS4 has Gaikai, same exact future concept.
They even touched on it back in February.
Along side there plans for remote play and game streaming instantly.

Munky3992d ago

But that would mean that "always on" would be required, which in the end is not a good thing for gamers.

ThatCanadianGuy5143992d ago

Hilarious.Specs don't matter now? It's all about the magical, fantasy specs floating in the cloud? Well isn't that magnificently convenient.

Do you even look at the stuff you write sometimes?

kenshiro1003992d ago

Please step away from the Microsoft koolade sir. You'll develop a brain freeze and stop functioning like a normal human being within seconds.

hot4play3991d ago

I think you meant Microsoft "waterkooler"... :p

thechosenone3992d ago

And do you think they'll offer this cloud gaming service to everyone who buys XBone or just the ones who pay for gold memberships?

McScroggz3991d ago

I'll help you out on this one.

When a game developer is making a game, they are NOT going to design it to use the cloud as more computational resources. That would mean for everybody who isn't connected to the cloud for whatever reason will have parts of the game that simply will not function correctly. It's like building a calculator that needs another calculator to do multiplication.

Now, I'm not a game designer. I suppose it's possible developers could design a game for the PS4 and use the Cloud as a way of making up for the difference in power, I just don't think it works that way.

But even IF the Xbox One used the Cloud for computations, thus increasing the power of the console in a way, the PS4 would have the same capabilities with Gakai. Simply put, putting your stock into Cloud computations as a way of making up for the XBO being less powerful than the PS4 is kinda weak dude.

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Optical_Matrix3992d ago

AndandTech and Digital Foundry says you're lying. In fact, the goddamn specs say you're lying. Please...stahp!

SlavisH23992d ago

since m$ offically stated i can play games at 4k this may be true

McScroggz3991d ago

Sony is leading the charge of 4K TV's, and even then the PS4 will not play 4K natively. There's almost no reason to think the XBO will.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7220h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle7h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18814h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio4h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga6h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21835h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga4h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan32m ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

purple1019h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos8h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac8h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1017h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic5h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 16h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 14h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 11h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 4h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 6h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 2h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 14h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9023h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 15h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 15h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 12h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 14h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 14h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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