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Adam Orth Was Right: We Need to Deal with Always-Online

Adam Orth, creative director at Microsoft Studios, resigned earlier this week after outraging consumers with comments about the next Xbox needing to always be connected to the internet. But despite the backlash, "always-online" functionality is a necessary and possibly revolutionary part of gaming's future.

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GamingAngelGabriel4049d ago

I can't say I agree with that notion, as I feel that there is more potential for harm than good, but it's an interesting opinion.

Qrphe4049d ago

"Adam Orth Was Right"

I stopped reading right there with the article.

edsmith19904049d ago

Then why should anyone listen to what you have to say about it?

geassdanny4049d ago

No one said you have to listen to him, same way he stopped reading at a certain point!

TheTwelve4049d ago

The internet is amazing! One day, this guy is a loon, the next day, people are trying to make him into a martyr! You can find whatever you like on the internet, folks!

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Baka-akaB4049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

why should he listen to morons more interested by "educating" its readership and always taking sides with publishers , than defending said readership and consumers ?

MaxXAttaxX4049d ago

It would be a problem in middle America and internationally.

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JeffGUNZ4049d ago

I really haven't read any tweets that stated you need to be connected to play a single player game. I think the other features are going to require an internet, like their TV idea, autoupdates, etc. Even in all the "leaked documents", I still have seen nothing that would require internet connection to play games offline. I don't know where that rumor original got spun, but if one uses common sense you can see this is an option they are not going to do especially the marketshare they got from this current gen.

flyingmunky4049d ago

Know how I'm going to deal with always online consoles? By buying a console that doesn't require it.

GamerToons4049d ago

Don't give this site hits.

Thats all they want.

rainslacker4048d ago

I think it's the harm that really puts me off of the whole idea. I never thought online passes would be successful. When they were first announced, I thought the community outcry would be so huge that they would eventually die away. Instead, the internet, mostly as a whole, become company apologist and threw their consumer rights out the window.

This is much the same thing, only exponentially worse from a consumer standpoint. The article makes a point that it allows the content provider to control their content. This in itself isn't a bad thing, as piracy is a concern, but at the same time controlling content means controlling the consumer, and that I take issue with. Limiting choices should never be accepted by the consumer in general, and some people should look at the bigger picture instead of just how it affects them.

This move benefits no one but the publishers, and there is a big risk that it could end up harming them in a big way. If it doesn't harm them, then it will only harm us as consumers, and eventually we will just be "Dealing with it" to the point where it's just not worth it anymore.

CliffyB said that there is a whole new generation ready to accept whatever is put in front of them. They've grown up in the digital age...which is weird because the digital age isn't that old. It's sad to think that this new generation has more say than those that actually care about their own rights as consumers, or just hate the direction gaming may be going as a whole. I guess pushing out a large segment of the gaming community isn't that big a deal. What's the point in growing your user base when you can just replace them with a group that will do whatever they're told because they don't know any better.

Luckily, I don't think MS is going to go this route.

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Ashlen4049d ago

There is nothing necessary about it. All this always online defense is just a misinformation campaign.

SnakeCQC4049d ago

first windows 8 and now all this stuff. It seems like ms should've been voted worst company

Godmars2904049d ago

And the point is that some people wont have the option to just "deal with it".

STGuy10404049d ago (Edited 4049d ago )

Unfortunately, you're right. There are some people who can't 'deal with it' and this may hurt Xbox Next sales. I hate to say it, but some hardcore Xbox gamers may forgo buying an Xbox Next because of this feature. This new feature is to obviously monitor Xbox Next consoles, among other things. While I am not against Microsoft protecting their IPs from hackers and piracy (I'm 100% for it), it just seems very restrictive to the consumer to make them stay online constantly.

As far-fetched as this may sound, there are still people out there (especially in the US) where their internet service is still spotty, and staying connected is a problem for them. It would be terrible for any consumer to lose the ability to play their shiny new Xbox because they can't 'deal with it'. Dealing with it isn't necessarily an attitude for some gamers, it's a situation that causes them frustration because they know they will have problems if this new technology is implemented.

I realize none of this is Microsoft's problem, but the aforementioned scenario (and others being debated here) should be taken into consideration by Microsoft.

rainslacker4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

I would hope MS, as a business that provides a consumer product, would find ways for people to "Deal With It" so we wouldn't have to. It's not really up to the consumer to sell the product to themselves, but for the company to make their product with the convenience of the consumer in mind to make it attractive to them to pick up.

Just think of any build-your-own furniture piece. Some companies are really good about making it convenient to put together, others aren't. Or better yet, Ever notice how, for the most part, the most popular brands of electronics are extremely easy for the consumer to use or set up?

That being said, it wasn't actually MS saying we needed to "Deal With It". I know a lot of people are inferring that, but realistically it was just a guy being insensitive to other people's situations.

Here's a tip to all the "Deal With It'ers"

Despite what a lot of these defenders are saying, there simply are too many people that either DON'T WANT TO, OR CANT "Deal With It".

Godmars2904048d ago

The problem, the actual problem with this, is that in attempting to broaden its market MS could be limiting overall access to it. That they might be gambling that they can increase the majority of Xbox owners and XBL subscribers by excluding a minority.

They're not trying to find ways, they're just making it more appealing for those who can to deal with it. Likewise the do not want people can go screw themselves as well in their eyes.

rainslacker4048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

That's assuming the rumor is true. But yeah, in that case you'd be right. It's a very large gamble, and while MS is huge, it's not like their hands in a lot of places when it comes to gaming.

With Windows they can afford to have a miss. They can carry on their sales with support of previous iterations(or the next service pack/version), or through other forms of their OS or server software.

If they screw up on the Xbox, then it could literally remove them from the gaming market if they do so early in the consoles life. This would ultimately impact their overall plan of being the center of people's living rooms, which isn't something I feel that they are willing to risk given how long they've been trying to achieve that goal. I remember reading about that when I was still in high school...over 20 years ago.

If this was a combining of two different aspects of the MS product line, like say they had this media functionality for the living room prior to Xbox, then it would be much different, but in this scenario, the Xbox is a way for them to inject this new product into the market.

Given all that, it seems that it's not really necessary to exclude the market that doesn't want to, or can't, deal with it. It seems perfectly reasonable to allow it to be optional, thus including everyone. This would go a long way in adoption rates on this new media functionality, as well as not exclude the gamers that have come to support them through their Xbox efforts.

This strategy has benefited Sony for 3 generations, and many technologies they've given with their consoles have gained widespread(or even commonplace) acceptance. It's only reasonable to assume MS would see this same strategy working for them, if not better given their more aggressive marketing.

Godmars2904048d ago (Edited 4048d ago )

Again, MS's attention seems to be entrainment over games. They made money on XBL subscriptions which by all reasonable counts is about a third of 360 owners (80m total, 50m online w/half gold accounts) where games have apparently been a repeated a loss overall despite big sellers like Halo and COD. If they can make all of the current online accounts Gold accounts, add more subletting a cable box, what's the 30m odd out gamers who weren't making them money in the first place?

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Guess I should have said, "the majority of 360 owners of interest to them" earlier. Since this is about a minority they're seeking to expand.

maniacmayhem4049d ago

I don't care about always online as long as it doesn't block used games or restrict my gaming in any way.

I think MS will also go the route of leaving it up to the developer to make these decisions.

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18811d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus231d 7h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville23h ago(Edited 23h ago)

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos21h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb3320h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC11h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled1d 12h ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear2119h ago(Edited 19h ago)

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k41d 16h ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot1d 15h ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC11h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon6158620h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k415h ago(Edited 15h ago)

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin15h ago(Edited 15h ago)

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k415h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody1d 15h ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead1d 5h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 2h ago (Edited 1d 2h ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage22h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast1d 15h ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19791d 14h ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel1d 6h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage22h ago(Edited 22h ago)

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn197919h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage22h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead3d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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Microsoft once tried to nab LittleBigPlanet from Sony after a few drinks

It turns out that many moons ago, Microsoft once had its eye on the Sony published LittleBigPlanet series.

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XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Microsoft had a good idea but fumbled it again.

Cacabunga2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Project Spark idea was decent but they quickly gave up ..
LBP was wonderful

ApocalypseShadow3d ago

Microsoft in a nutshell. Always tried to poach Sony employees, games, 3rd party games and devices like the depth camera that was turned into Kinect but was running on PS2 before Xbox 360. Wouldn't be surprised they wanted LBP. Just like they worked behind the scenes pushing the MLB to bring Sony's baseball game to Xbox instead of making their own.
https://www.playstationlife...

They didn't spend years trying to develop their own baseball game. They wanted Sony's game.

They're scum.

Zachmo1822d ago

Microsoft didn't force MLB on Xbox. MLB gave Sony 2 options either go multiplat or risk losing the license.

Rynxie2d ago

And why do you think MLB said that? I believe Ms approached MLB.

ApocalypseShadow2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Totally ridiculous comment.

The only exclusivity Sony had was to their own creation of The Show. Microsoft could have paid the MLB for the license just like Sony did and made their own baseball game.

Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox. They're worth 3 TRILLION dollars. You think that's not enough money to make their own baseball game? Don't be delusional.

Microsoft spun it like they always do and told the media that they had to trust Sony with their hardware. After they put Sony in that position of not having a choice. Either go multiplatform or stop making one of their successful games. That's a no win scenario.

And what did Microsoft do? They didn't try to sell the game to the Xbox community. They put it on game pass to hurt Sony. Pushing the idea of why buy games that are $70 when you can play them in their cheap service for $10. It was a dirty tactic.

You fell for the Kool aid drink Microsoft served you instead of spitting it out. Hope it tasted good because you were fooled by Phil and the gang.

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Hereandthere1d 21h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

Bond revealed that MLB The Show “always came up” in conversations between Microsoft and the Major League Baseball organization. “We always said, ‘We love this game. It would be a huge opportunity to bring it to Xbox.'” she recalled. However, when Microsoft’s efforts materialized, it put the company in an awkward situation where it had to send in pre-release consoles to a rival company.

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Notellin2d ago

"Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox."

Take a nap, conspiracies are rotting your brain.

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Hereandthere1d 21h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

ApocalypseShadow1d 7h ago

Lying to yourself is unbecoming.

Article link tells you all you need to know in Sarah Bond's own words.

Hereandthere1d 21h ago

They were too cheap/inept/lazy to develop their own mlb game, so they port begged for years and bribed the mlb to make the show multiplatform. Like i said many times, xbox brought nothing to the table their 24 years, ZERO.

ApocalypseShadow1d 7h ago

At least you and others get it. Note drank the Kool aid and asked for seconds thinking it was refreshing.

Most don't even know how it all played out but it's there in black and white for all to see. Microsoft brought it up for years until the MLB forced Sony's hand. It was a win win for Microsoft. Kill one reason to buy a PlayStation or kill the game by dropping it in a cheap service to kill Sony's sales numbers on PlayStation.

OtterX2d ago

"However, Healey said Media Molecule wouldn't have felt right doing that, adding it would have been "morally corrupt"."

Major kudos to Media Molecule for being an upright studio with principles.

Cockney1d 2h ago

They chose well, Sony gave them the backing to pursue their dreams with no restrictions even tho their games especially dreams have very niche appeal. Media molecule and Sony deserve respect for this in an age of risk averse publishing.

RNTody2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Great, more stories like this please. Show the last of the zombies holding the line what we've been saying for years: Microsoft is anti competition, anti industry and has no interest in making games at all.

But hey, at least there's an Xbox Games Showcase to look forward to, right?

Inverno2d ago

Well considering SONY just killed the series, LBP would've been dead by now either way. Though MM probably wouldn't exist by now either, so I'm glad they stayed with SONY, hopefully they don't get shut down any time soon or ever honestly.

Inverno2d ago

They shut down the servers, that's millions of user created levels gone. That and dead are pretty much the same, it's also been years since 3 and they cancelled HUB soooo.

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fsfsxii2d ago

They shutdown the servers because no one was playing, no one in the community cared about the user created levels so why keep them up? Wtf you guys would never succeed in running a business.

Inverno2d ago

Yea dood no one was playing so they shut off the servers. Cause people with enough common sense can't just Google why they were actually shut of, right?

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