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Destructoid: Microsoft man on always-online consoles: 'Deal with it'

Jim Sterling writes "Rumors that the Next Xbox will be restricted by the same always-online requirement that has crippled several major PC releases of late has not exactly been met with applause from prospective customers. One man, however -- Microsoft Studios creative director Adam Orth -- doesn't see why anybody could have an issue with a DRM Box."

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NastyLeftHook04055d ago

yeah..just deal with it. take it like a good boy. smh

Yi-Long4055d ago

... I'll deal with it by buying a PS4.

guitarded774055d ago

I'm hearing a lot of people are having the same reaction. It was stupid for him to say that. I'm certain MS's PR team is in a tailspin right now trying to figure out what to do. That single statement has changed many's perception of what the next XBOX will be, and we really don't know anything yet.

darthv724055d ago

you all just got seriously trolled and didnt even pick up on it?

That would go down as one of THE BEST pranks in console history. It would probably beat out the whole Sheng Long prank of Street Fighter 2 many years ago.

Anyone in this day and age can pass themselves off as another person when hiding behind such social media outlets like Twitter/facebook.

To think there is someone crafty enough to play on the minds of others, especially a hot topic of the 720, and get away with it.....not hard to believe at all.

That is why i will only believe the words coming from the presentation floor. If at that time all of these 'rumors' are proven true then i will apologize for not believing them sooner.

until then....i don't buy any of it. and neither should anyone else.

GrieverSoul4055d ago

First and Foremost, I dont like this always ON thing!!

However...

You gotta handle it to Microsoft. I mean, they found a way to put people paying for a service that is, and always was, free in other competitors. They made you pay for LIVE and got away with it. Now they are trying to make it that always ON is the way to go. Im not saying they will succed but there are people who defende paying for LIVE because of this and that... lets see how they will spin this.

BTW, I have a X360 and a PS3 and I dont pay for LIVE. My LIVE susbcription is Silver because GOLD is the price of the game I pay for the PS3 with free online.

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fermcr4055d ago

Isn't this duplicate news ?

NicSage4055d ago

So many people are going to dupe this topic, it's too hot not to.

LOGICWINS4055d ago

@Yi-Long- Preach brutha preach!

MikeMyers4055d ago

How do you deal with it if you don't have an online connection? We've seen these services go down before and while it is annoying you can still play your games offline. That's why SimCity got so much flack, they decided in their wisdom it needed a constant connection. So what you had were people paying 50 or 60 dollars and not being able to play. Guess what's going to happen when your $400 game console can't play ANY game?

RM-TatoTiburon4055d ago

i'll wait for the presentation, if this is truth i hope they know that internet connections go off very often more than energy cuts and will be a real bumer if i can't play games beacse i don't have internet in the moment

FunkMacNasty4055d ago

Hey tentonsoftube, nobody wants an 'always on' connection. But you've made it clear (and it's outlined pretty well in your comment history) that your a close minded Sony fanboy.

Everyone knows your not getting an Xbox of any kind, so instead of reminding us, why not save that one bubble of yours to say something positive... maybe in an article about Sony related stuff?

DigitalRaptor4054d ago

That comment failed pretty hard.

1) What kind of self-respecting person would get the new Xbox if all of these negative, anti-consumer rumours end up being true?

2) Why would anyone spin this debacle into a positive?

3) You get at least one bubble per article. So he can comment on Sony articles AND Microsoft articles.

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dedicatedtogamers4055d ago (Edited 4055d ago )

People will always make excuses. I'm already hearing them now:

"What's the big deal? Are you on N4G at the library? Everyone has internet. It's not a big deal".

Okay. Well, as a PC gamer of 20 years, I'm just going to keep my mouth shut. Go ahead and let Microsoft have control over your game library! Have fun! I've already been down that road. I'll let you kids wallow in your naivety. At least on PC, you can find cracks and hacks for your games when the DRM f***s it all up. Good luck doing that with your 720 games.

BanBrother4055d ago

Already lost a bubble today by butt-hurt 360 fanboys, so at least I can't lose another. If anyone buys this console knowing it has online DRM (presuming it does in fact have always online) then I hope they lose internet connection a lot and that XBL gets hacked and down for a month.

Anyone stupid enough to buy it deserves that.

amiga-man4055d ago (Edited 4055d ago )

xbox owners bring it on themselves paying for online was a green light for M$ to continue taking advantage, some people never learn and will defend it to the detriment of all gamers.

have a well said bubble BanBrother for trying to wake them up.

die_fiend4055d ago

But David Jaffe has defended him. Which must mean something right? A guy who hasn't made a good game in about a decade but still thinks people are listening to him.

WeAreLegion4055d ago

You didn't like Twisted Metal? I loved it!

InTheZoneAC4055d ago

Twisted Metal was a good game, although you can tell it was rushed or didn't have a long development cycle.

CEOSteveBallmer4055d ago

If david jaffe defended him is true, Well "sigh" how the mighty have fallen.

Tultras4055d ago

God of War???

You mentioned decade.

die_fiend4054d ago

8 years then...sheesh. And look what's happened to that franchise

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InTheZoneAC4055d ago

if the idea of any product is to lure people away from other products and buy their own, then MS has failed in every way, like they have since they first came out.

PS4 was already a 100% launch day purchase from me and I find it funny how MS is doing everything they can to throw their own customers away.

I guess they figured people weren't "smart enough" to leave when 360 was just an issue waiting to happen that they can pretty much go in any direction they want now and the same people will stick with them.

lovegames7184055d ago

Morons love a good shafting so they'll still move units. Remember these are the same political that supported micro after the read fiasco. A situation in which micro knowingly rushed hardware with high failure rate that would die after first year warranty and micro didn't have to fix or replace it. Thousands and millions rebought Xbox not knowing initially it was a micro swindle then lawsuits came and micro divulged they rushed out system and extended warranty but by then many had already bought new systems. But even after that bit of info did ppl stop buying Xbox? No!!! I mean I never bought an Xbox because that was highly insulting and shady but many many did and that is worse than this always online rumor IMO.

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic188122h ago(Edited 22h ago)

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo18h ago(Edited 18h ago)

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus2312h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

rokos2h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb332h ago

i think you are really missing the point

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SonyStyled18h ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies6h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear2132m ago(Edited 29m ago)

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k421h ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex21h ago(Edited 21h ago)

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot20h ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

Jon615861h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

RNTody21h ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead10h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya8h ago(Edited 8h ago)

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage4h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast20h ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn197919h ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel11h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19791h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage3h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead2d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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Microsoft once tried to nab LittleBigPlanet from Sony after a few drinks

It turns out that many moons ago, Microsoft once had its eye on the Sony published LittleBigPlanet series.

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XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Microsoft had a good idea but fumbled it again.

Cacabunga1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Project Spark idea was decent but they quickly gave up ..
LBP was wonderful

ApocalypseShadow2d ago

Microsoft in a nutshell. Always tried to poach Sony employees, games, 3rd party games and devices like the depth camera that was turned into Kinect but was running on PS2 before Xbox 360. Wouldn't be surprised they wanted LBP. Just like they worked behind the scenes pushing the MLB to bring Sony's baseball game to Xbox instead of making their own.
https://www.playstationlife...

They didn't spend years trying to develop their own baseball game. They wanted Sony's game.

They're scum.

Zachmo1821d 21h ago

Microsoft didn't force MLB on Xbox. MLB gave Sony 2 options either go multiplat or risk losing the license.

Rynxie1d 12h ago

And why do you think MLB said that? I believe Ms approached MLB.

ApocalypseShadow1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Totally ridiculous comment.

The only exclusivity Sony had was to their own creation of The Show. Microsoft could have paid the MLB for the license just like Sony did and made their own baseball game.

Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox. They're worth 3 TRILLION dollars. You think that's not enough money to make their own baseball game? Don't be delusional.

Microsoft spun it like they always do and told the media that they had to trust Sony with their hardware. After they put Sony in that position of not having a choice. Either go multiplatform or stop making one of their successful games. That's a no win scenario.

And what did Microsoft do? They didn't try to sell the game to the Xbox community. They put it on game pass to hurt Sony. Pushing the idea of why buy games that are $70 when you can play them in their cheap service for $10. It was a dirty tactic.

You fell for the Kool aid drink Microsoft served you instead of spitting it out. Hope it tasted good because you were fooled by Phil and the gang.

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Hereandthere1d 3h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

Bond revealed that MLB The Show “always came up” in conversations between Microsoft and the Major League Baseball organization. “We always said, ‘We love this game. It would be a huge opportunity to bring it to Xbox.'” she recalled. However, when Microsoft’s efforts materialized, it put the company in an awkward situation where it had to send in pre-release consoles to a rival company.

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Notellin1d 8h ago

"Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox."

Take a nap, conspiracies are rotting your brain.

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Hereandthere1d 2h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

ApocalypseShadow12h ago

Lying to yourself is unbecoming.

Article link tells you all you need to know in Sarah Bond's own words.

Hereandthere1d 3h ago

They were too cheap/inept/lazy to develop their own mlb game, so they port begged for years and bribed the mlb to make the show multiplatform. Like i said many times, xbox brought nothing to the table their 24 years, ZERO.

ApocalypseShadow13h ago

At least you and others get it. Note drank the Kool aid and asked for seconds thinking it was refreshing.

Most don't even know how it all played out but it's there in black and white for all to see. Microsoft brought it up for years until the MLB forced Sony's hand. It was a win win for Microsoft. Kill one reason to buy a PlayStation or kill the game by dropping it in a cheap service to kill Sony's sales numbers on PlayStation.

OtterX2d ago

"However, Healey said Media Molecule wouldn't have felt right doing that, adding it would have been "morally corrupt"."

Major kudos to Media Molecule for being an upright studio with principles.

Cockney7h ago

They chose well, Sony gave them the backing to pursue their dreams with no restrictions even tho their games especially dreams have very niche appeal. Media molecule and Sony deserve respect for this in an age of risk averse publishing.

RNTody2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Great, more stories like this please. Show the last of the zombies holding the line what we've been saying for years: Microsoft is anti competition, anti industry and has no interest in making games at all.

But hey, at least there's an Xbox Games Showcase to look forward to, right?

Inverno1d 23h ago

Well considering SONY just killed the series, LBP would've been dead by now either way. Though MM probably wouldn't exist by now either, so I'm glad they stayed with SONY, hopefully they don't get shut down any time soon or ever honestly.

Sheppard7t31d 21h ago

How did Sony kill the series?

Inverno1d 21h ago

They shut down the servers, that's millions of user created levels gone. That and dead are pretty much the same, it's also been years since 3 and they cancelled HUB soooo.

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fsfsxii1d 8h ago

They shutdown the servers because no one was playing, no one in the community cared about the user created levels so why keep them up? Wtf you guys would never succeed in running a business.

Inverno1d 6h ago

Yea dood no one was playing so they shut off the servers. Cause people with enough common sense can't just Google why they were actually shut of, right?

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