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Battlefield 4 demo ran on an AMD Radeon HD 7990 ‘Malta’ Video Card

Battlefield 4 demo ran on an AMD Radeon HD 7990 ‘Malta’ Video Card

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majiebeast4063d ago

Seen alot of devs switching from Nvidia to AMD does anyone know why? Is it because of the Ps4,720(not confirmed),WiiU using AMD parts?

ProjectVulcan4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

Battlefield is technically an 'AMD' supported series. That is, DICE partner with AMD graphics, and not Nvidia's TWIMTBP programme.

There was no switch.

All you are seeing is AMD ramp up their 'gaming evolved' brand to counter Nvidia's long running TWIMTBP PC program. It isn't really about the consoles, BF4 is AMD gaming evolved branded.

It is ironic really, because Battlefield 3 clearly runs better on Nvidia equivalent hardware- GTX680>7970ghz, 670>7970, 660ti>7950 etc on BF3 where other games the situation is mostly reversed.

The engine seems to favour Nvidia architecture. Wouldn't surprise me if BF4 does as well.

Hydrolex4063d ago

Nvidia is a good when it comes to making graphic cards but they are greedy and no one likes greedy people...

Winter47th4062d ago

This is unfortunate, AMD has THE worst driver-support out of the two, sometimes taking months to support a newly released game in their drivers.

DarthZoolu4062d ago

nvidia hardware does perform slightly faster but it cost a lot more, definitely not worth the cost difference compared to performance. Also AMD cards can do other stuff like bit minning. AMD Graphics Cards usually have a lot of headroom for overclocking which usually puts the performance on par with nvidia or better. driver support being better for 1 company or the other is an old fanboy argument from about 8 years ago that is no longer true.

fatstarr4062d ago

Nvidia has been beating Amd/Ati's ass for years just recently with the dual gpu cards did Ati/Amd get back into the picture.

in the end of the day it wont matter what you run it on as long as its up to the job.

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greenpowerz4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

Financial reasons with console makers and all the related parties wanting the least hassle free experience with the console tech and makers.
http://n4g.com/news/1217454...

^^Talking only some game related parties... Not the end of the world PS3 fan doom end of the world, I hate'em rhetoric.

These new cards are powerful allowing impressive effects in BF4 although the rest of the game is familiar. Must see Multi player on any console before i judge.

Even the card I showed in my link won't match what was shown.

ginsunuva4063d ago

Where are devs "switching" to AMD, and what does "switching" even mean? They develop a game for all pc gpus.

I assume you mean you see AMD SPONSORING more devs lately? Yes, AMD is struggling in the gpu market, so they've been paying a ton of money lately to get their logo at the beginning of games instead of the common Nvidia "Way it's Meant to be Played." Just compensating for lower quality gpus, and the games they sponsor, funnily enough, run better on equivalent Nvidia cards anyways.

wishingW3L4063d ago

they sometimes take advantage of certain aspects of a GPU that aren't on the other brands. Game developers most of the time optimize better for Nvdia but now that the Wii U, PS4 and X720 all use AMD GPU that will change.

Why do you think Nvidia has been talking so much crap about the PS4? Because now the focus for developers will be AMD.

FantasyStar4063d ago

I think it has nothing to do with which GPU is better and all about AMD trying to get their name out: which means free AMD cards for DICE to work with. After which it all snowballs from there. Sponsorship leads to endorsement, which then leads to bandwagon popularity and finally GPU sales at the retailers.

AMD's special Get 2 free games is surely helping their cause.

ProjectVulcan4062d ago (Edited 4062d ago )

It won't change. It won't matter all that much for the PC space what particular GPU is inside the consoles. RSX and Xenos are very different in the current consoles and it impacted zero on the PC market.

PC goes its own way technologically and carves its own path in terms of hardware, its the consoles that end up with PC hardware in them, not vice versa.

Nvidia has a significant market share developers aren't going to just forget about that when they make a game for PC.

Also within a couple years generally the architectures can change so much that there is only minor similarities.

PS4 might have a modern architecture in 2013 but within 2 years AMD (and Nvidia) will have probably altered their designs so much it is only vaguely similar to what is in a modern PC GPU. Within 2 years of 360 launching the dominant performance architecture (Nvidia 8800) was nothing like Xenos in 360 or RSX in PS3.

The biggest thing that will impact the PC gaming space will be the fact they share a CPU instruction set (x86) and that impact can only possibly be positive for everyone concerned.

animegamingnerd4063d ago

yeah spot on the PS4 and wii u are using AMD parts while the 720 is also rumor to so nivida has nothing to with next gen

StraightPath4063d ago

the question is will ps4 and the next xbox able to run it same as on PC with ultra settings? seriously graphics were damn amazing.

cayleee4063d ago

PS4 and Xbox will essentially be low end PCs by the time they launch, you are setting yourself up for dissapointment if you think you will get ultra settings, be happy if they manage medium.

Scroticus4063d ago

You're getting 720p at 60fps, so Ultra without AA is possible. Don't expect full AA and AF.

Nick_5154063d ago

Yes, they will. When the PS4 and 720 release, differences in games between them and the PC version will be minimal. It will stay like that for a little while, at least.

CheexInk4062d ago

The answer is no. Ultra Settings for a game like Battlefield would require a high-end gaming PC to keep it running smoothly. Most PCs won't be running ultra and certainly no consoles will be running ultra.

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Arai4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

"Gaming Evolved" thing from AMD, they are pushing more and more to be involved with big releases.
It's a good thing really as their GPU drivers are optimized time and time again to give more/better performance.
Plus those games usually end up being bundled with their GPU's, which is win/win for both AMD/developers.

Lior4063d ago

Does it matter what they played it on i have SLI 680 any game on ultra will run a smooth 60fps no matter what the game is really

TXIDarkAvenger4063d ago

Both are great companies. I'm pretty sure those consoles are using AMD because they are cheaper. Nvidia costs more but is slightly better than AMD. Not a huge difference though.

stragomccloud4063d ago

Has nothing to do with consoles.
It's because AMD beat Nvidia to the punch with Directx 11 cards, and got a big head start because of that and the lower price point for AMD cards. This goes way back to 2010.

awi59514062d ago

Xbox will be Amd and Ati all the way! Sony has just learned Microsoft's lesson from xbox 1. Nivida sucks balls at cutting deals they will screw you in a heart beat. They forced Microsoft to buy their crap GPU at full price for the whole lifespan of the console with no price savings going to microsoft. So Thats why Nividia is cut out of the console market this gen.

imchuckbass4062d ago

You're only seeing AMD in the PS4, 720 and WiiU because they're cheaper. No other reason.

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Muffins12234063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

Ugh....i think my next gpu will be AMD because it seems they're gonna get allot more support because there supplying both next gen consoles.I have a gtx680 and my cpu is intel so my next cpu i get will be AMD which i will get maybe this year, my next gpu i will get will be like in 2015 and AMD

FlameBaitGod4063d ago

I'm going with AMD this time cus I saw how much of an ass Nvidia is.

Cryptcuzz4063d ago

I might be doing that as well for the very same reason.

I really hope AMD does well in the next few years and take back some of the GPU market share from Nvidia.

It is only good for everyone that AMD does well, since competition drives innovation and lower prices.

Modestmex4062d ago

That's stupid! Nvidia cards and drivers are better so nvidia will be for me don't care bout this console amd, nvidia shit its stupid.

MuhammadJA4063d ago

I'm also going with AMD in my next upgrade. Seeing how it's so cool to hate Nvidia on N4G and since they're also going to be inside the PS4, they're automatically better.

My life is good!

ILive4063d ago

Could this possibly be that it could look just as good on the ps4? If so, amazing.

chcolatesnw4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

7990 = 7970 x 2
ps4 gpu = ~ 7790

no amount of optimization would get a 7790 within even a 60% gap to 7990 LOOOOOL

expect about 25% of the stuff you saw in the video to be on ps4, ie, 720p 60 fps with low-medium settings.

GiantFriendlyCrab4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

who told you that ps4 would be equipped with 7790?, stop talking shit

IcyEyes4063d ago

People like you looks so hateful ... Its so hard enjoy instead hating and trolling ?

Have a good day, you really need it.

Kur04063d ago

PS4 GPU is actually between a 7850 and 7870.

miso_Jeff4063d ago

LOOOOOL @ your troll math

Arai4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

PS4 GPU is between 7850 - 7870, Xbox720 is 7770.
For the rest......troll on! /sarcasm

Twinzclipz4063d ago

Dude Sony have their engineers so they can custom the GPU so don't talk earlier if u don't know how this game will looks on Playstation , i mean this game is available on PS3 and XBOX 360 too and if u pick a pc with 256mb or 512mb of ram i'm damn sure ur pc will explode even with low settings u can't play it at 30 fps at least 5 fps.

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Omeganex99994063d ago

Are all PC fanboys buying top ends cards that cost more than a full PS4? Because I see a lot of people bitching 'cause their hypothetical 3000$ systems are already better than something that will probably come out at less than 1/8 of the price. I don't see PC fanboys thinking about the fact that those shitty 400$ systems will have the same games they will play on their PCs though.

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gazgriff2k124063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

i believe the PS4 and nextbox versions of the are going to be on par with pc. i.e if its 1080p 60fps it will look almost identical to a pc running a 1080p 60fps

Eyesoftheraven4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

The Xbox 360 version of Call of Duty was on par with the PC version and those were very nice visuals back then. Really the only difference was with PC you could run higher resolution & framerate than 360.

Scroticus4063d ago

Already been declared 720p at 60fps. Still going to be pretty, but not AS pretty.

sourav934063d ago

@Scroticus When did DICE ever mention anything about BF4 running on next gen consoles at 720@60fps? That was a rumour. In fact, DICE actually hasn't mentioned anything on resolution when it comes to the next gen consoles.

awi59514062d ago

Yeah thats just so wrong its funny. Used PC gpu's are very cheap on ebay and any of the low to mid range cards will kill a console in visuals. Because our old parts are still really fast because GPU's get changed out so fast the games arent even ready for them.

I remember when the PS3 and xbox 360 launched. I bought a 180 dollar amd gpu to go in my PC and the huge jump in graphics that me and me friends saw was just insane. That card was mid range to high i guess brand new but it would max any game out there on ultra.

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ABizzel14063d ago

It's a slim possibility but possible. If you play the PS4 version you won't be able to tell unless you run them side by side. My guess is the demo was running in 4K max, and the PS4 wil be 720p or 1080p high, so it'll look good, but not like that demo.

torchic4063d ago

4K UHD?

damn, you're smoking some really good stuff there.

Modestmex4062d ago

Lol what's wrong witch chu boii!!

ABizzel14062d ago

@torchic & Modestmex

The simple fact that NVIDIA Titan can run BF3 in 4K, max settings, @60fps, which would suggest that the HD 7990 used in the BF4 demo is even more likely to run BF4 in 4k at the same resolution, fps, and settings.

GiantFriendlyCrab4063d ago (Edited 4063d ago )

ill be getting soon either the 7870 or 7950 in Crossfire, best and cheapest soultion to will destroy gtx670

shackdaddy4062d ago

Crossfire sucks to deal with though...

WUTCHUGUNNADO4063d ago

Definitely won't be maxing this out with a single 680gtx... good to see I'll get more work out of it though.

WUTCHUGUNNADO4062d ago

I like that the disagree's mean some optimism from you guys but I'm not so sure I'm going to hit that 1080p/60fps mark with everything maxed if their showcasing it on a 7990. If you take it literally then yeah it'll be able to max it out but what would the frames be like if it's meant for a dual gpu setup?

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AMD gaming revenue declined massively year-over-year, CFO says the demand is 'weak'

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RonsonPL9d ago

Oh wow. How surprising! Nvidia overpriced their RTX cards by +100% and AMD instead of offering real competition, decided to join Nvidia in their greedy approach, while not having the same mindshare as Nvidia (sadly) does. The 7900 launch was a marketing disaster. All the reviews were made while the card was not worth the money at all, they lowered the price a bit later on, but not only not enough but also too late and out of "free marketing" window coming along with the new card generation release. Then the geniuses at AMD axed the high-end SKUs with increased cache etc, cause "nobody will buy expensive cards to play games" while Nvidia laughed at them selling their 2000€ 4090s.
Intel had all the mindshare among PC enthusiasts with their CPUs. All it took was a competetive product and good price (Ryzen 7000 series and especially 7800x3d) and guess what? AMD regained the market share in DYI PCs in no time! The same could've have happened with Radeon 5000, Radeon 6000 and Radeon 7000.
But meh. Why bother. Let's cancell high-end RDNA 4 and use the TSMC wafers for AI and then let the clueless "analysts" make their articles about "gaming demand dwingling".

I'm sure low-end, very overpriced and barely faster if not slower RDNA4 will turn things around. It will have AI and RT! Two things nobody asked for, especially not gamers who'd like to use the PC for what's most exciting about PC gaming (VR, high framerate gaming, hi-res gaming).
8000 series will be slow, overpriced and marketed based on its much improved RT/AI... and it will flop badly.
And there will be no sane conclusions made at AMD about that. There will be just one, insane: Gaming is not worth catering to. Let's go into AI/RT instead, what could go wrong..."

Crows909d ago

What would you say would be the correct pricing for new cards?

Very insightful post!

RonsonPL9d ago

That's a complicated question. Depends on what you mean. The pricing at the release date or the pricing planned ahead. They couldn't just suddenly end up in a situation where their existing stock of 6000 cards is suddenly unsellable, but if it was properly rolled out, the prices should be where they were while PC gaming industry was healthy. I recognize the arguments about inflation, higher power draw and PCB/BOM costs, more expensive wafers from TSMC etc. but still, PC gaming needs some sanity to exist and be healthy. Past few years were very unhealthy and dangerous to whole PC gaming. AMD should recognize this market is very good for them as they have advantage in software for gaming and other markets while attractive short term, may be just too difficult to compete at. AI is the modern day gold rush and Nvidia and Intel can easily out-spend AMD on R&D. Meanwhile gaming is tricky for newcomers and Nvidia doesn't seem to care that much about gaming anymore. So I would argue that it should be in AMDs interest to even sell some Radeon SKUs at zero profit, just to prevent the PC gaming from collapsing. Cards like 6400 and 6500 should never exist at their prices. This tier was traditionally "office only" and priced at 50$ in early 2000s. Then we have Radeons 7600 which is not really 6-tier card. Those were traditionally quite performant cards based on wider than 128-bit memory bus. Also 8GB is screaming "low end". So I'd say the 7600 should've been available at below 200$ (+taxes etc.) as soon as possible, at least for some cheaper SKUs.For faster cards, the situation is bad for AMD, because people spending like $400+ are usually fairly knowledgable and demanding. While personally I don't see any value in upscallers and RT for 400-700$ cards, the fact is that especially DLSS is a valuable feature for potential buyers. Therefore, even 7800 and 7900 cards should be significantly cheaper than they currently are. People knew what they were paying for when buying Radeon 9700, 9800, X800, 4870 etc. They were getting gaming experience truly unlike console or low-end PC gaming. By all means, let's have expensive AMD cards for even above $1000, but first, AMD needs to show value. Make the product attractive. PS5 consoles can be bought at 400$. If AMD offers just a slightly better upscalled image on the 400$ GPU, or their 900$ GPU cannot even push 3x as many fps compared to cheap consoles, the pricing acts like cancer on PC gaming. And poor old PC gaming can endure only so much.

MrCrimson9d ago

I appreciate your rant sir, but it has very little to do with gpus. It is the fact that the PS5 and Xbox are in end cycle before a refresh.

RonsonPL8d ago

Yes, but also no. AMD let their PC GPU marketshare to shrink by a lot (and accidentally helped the whole market shrink in general due to bad value of PC GPUs over the years) and while their console business may be important here, I'd still argue their profits from GPU division could've been much better if not for mismanagement.

bababooiy8d ago

This is something many have argued over the last few years when it comes to AMD. The days of them selling their cards at a slight discount while having a similar offering are over. Its not just a matter of poor drivers anymore, they are behind on everything.

RNTody8d ago (Edited 8d ago )

Great post. I went for a Nvidia RTX 3060Ti which was insane value for money when I look at the fidelity and frame rates I can push in most games including new releases. Can't justify spending 3 times what my card cost at the time to get marginal better returns or the big sell of "ray tracing", which is a nice to have feature but hardly essential given what it costs to maintain.

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KwietStorm_BLM9d ago

Well that's gonna happen when you don't really try. I want to support AMD so badly and give Nvidia some actual competition but they don't very much seem interested in challenging, by their own accord. I been waiting for them to attack the GPU segment the same way they took over CPU, but they just seem so content with handing Nvidia the market year after year, and it's happening again this year with their cancelled high end card.

MrCrimson9d ago

I think you're going to see almost zero interest from AMD or Nvidia on the gaming GPU market. They are all in on AI.

RhinoGamer889d ago

No Executive bonuses then...right?

enkiduxiv9d ago

What are smoking? Got to layoff your way to those bonuses. Fire 500 employees right before Christmas. That should get you there.

Tapani9d ago (Edited 9d ago )

Well, if you are 48% down in Q4 in your Gaming sector as they are, which in absolute money terms is north of 500M USD, then you are not likely to get at least your quarterly STI, but can be applicable for annual STI. The LTI may be something you are still eligible for, such as RSUs or other equity and benefits, especially if they are based on the company total result rather than your unit. All depends on your contract and AMD's reward system.

MrCrimson9d ago

Lisa Su took AMD from bankruptcy to one of the best semiconductor companies on the planet. AMD from 2 dollars a share to 147. She can take whatever she wants.

Tapani8d ago

You are not wrong about what she did for AMD and that is remarkable. However, MNCs' Rewards schemes do not work like "take whatever you want, because you performed well in the past".

darksky9d ago

AMD prcied their cards thinking that they will sell out just like in the mining craze. I suspect reality has hit home when they realized most gamers cannot afford to spend over $500 for a gpu.

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Make your next GPU upgrade AMD as these latest-gen Radeon cards receive a special promotion

AMD has long been the best value option if you're looking for a new GPU. Now even their latest Radeon RX 7000 series is getting cheaper.

Father__Merrin19d ago

Best for the money is the Arc cards

just_looken19d ago

In the past yes but last gen amd has gotten cheaper and there new cards are on the horizon making 6k even cheaper.

The arc cards are no longer made by intel but asus/asrock has some the next line battlemage is coming out prices tbd.

Do to the longer software development its always best to go amd over intel if its not to much more money even though intel is a strong gpu i own 2/4 card versions.

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AMD FSR 3.1 Announced at GDC 2024, FSR 3 Available and Upcoming in 40 Games

Last September, we unleashed AMD FidelityFX™ Super Resolution 3 (FSR 3)1 on the gaming world, delivering massive FPS improvements in supported games.

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Eonjay50d ago (Edited 50d ago )

So to put 2 and 2 together... FSR 3.1 is releasing later this year and the launch game to support it is Rachet and Clank: Rift Apart. In Sony's DevNet documentation it shows Rachet and Clank: Rift Apart as the example for PSSR. PS5 Pro also launches later this year... but there is something else coming too: AMD RDNA 4 Cards (The very same technology thats in the Pro). So, PSSR is either FSR 3.1 or its a direct collaboration with AMD for that builds on FSR 3.1. Somehow they are related. I think PSSR is FSR 3.1 with the bonus of AI... now lets see if RDNA 4 cards also include an AI block.

More details:
FSR 3.1 fixes Frame Generation
If you have a 30 series RTX card you can now use DLSS3 with FSR Frame Generation (No 40 Series required!)
Its Available on all Cards (we assume it will come to console)
Fixes Temporal stability

MrDead49d ago

I've been using a mod that allows dlss frame gen on my 3080 it works on all rtx series. It'll be good not to rely on mods for the future.

darksky49d ago

The mods avaiable are actually using FSR3 frame gen but with DLSS or FSR2 upscaling.

Babadook749d ago (Edited 49d ago )

I think that the leaks about the 5 Pro would debunk the notion that the two (FSR 3.1 and PSSR) are the same technology. PSSR is a Sony technology.

MrDead50d ago (Edited 50d ago )

I wonder how much they fixed the ghosting in dark areas as Nvidia are leaving them in the dust with image quality. Still good that they are improving in big leaps, I'll have to see when the RTX5000 series is released who I go with... at the moment the RTX5000's are sounding like monsters.

just_looken49d ago

Did you see the dell leaks were they are trying to cool cards using over 1k watts of power.

We are going to need 220 lines for next gen pcs lol

MrDead49d ago

That's crazy! Sounds like heating my house won't be a problem next winter.

porkChop49d ago

As much as I hate supporting Nvidia, AMD just doesn't even try to compete. Their whole business model is to beat Nvidia purely on price. But I'd rather pay for better performance and better features. AMD also doesn't even try to innovate. They just follow Nvidia's lead and make their own version of whatever Nvidia is doing. But they're always 1 or 2 generations behind when it comes to those software/driver innovations, so Nvidia is always miles ahead in quality and performance.

MrDead49d ago

I do a lot of work on photoshop so an Intel Nvidia set up has been the got to because of performance edge, more expensive but far more stable too. Intel also have the edge over AMD processors with better load distribution on the cores, less spikes and jitters. When you're working large format you don't want lag or spikes when you're editing or drawing.

I do think AMD has improved massively though and whist I don't think they threaten Nvidia on the tech side they do make very well priced cards and processors for the power. I'm probably going with a 5080 or 5090 but AMD will get a little side look from me, which is a first in a long time... but like you said they are a generation or two behind at the moment.

Goosejuice48d ago

While I can't argue for amd gpu, they aren't bad but they aren't great either. The cpu for amd have great. I would argue the 7800x3d as one of the best cpu for gaming right now. Idk about editing so I take ur word for that but gaming amd cpu is a great option these days.

porkChop48d ago

@Goosejuice

I have a 7800X3D. It certainly is great for gaming. Though for video editing, rendering, etc, I think Intel have the advantage from what I remember. I just mean from a GPU standpoint I can't support them.