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Internal Microsoft event for Xbox to be held from March 4-7

Microsoft could be showcasing the new Xbox internally according to an event agenda leak.

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Gimmemorebubblez4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Well I doubt MS will change there specs in that short a time (between the PS meeting and the alleged internal Xbox event) .Should be interesting.... N4g is going to be a crazy place between now and well....its always been a crazy place and always will be.

PFFT4080d ago

They can and they will just watch. No next gen console is finalized YET at least.

Gimmemorebubblez4080d ago

They can but to change the architecture (considering they are already having problems with the Silicone supply) would cause a complete rethink .(the Durango leaked specs all work in symbiosis really well) If they changed from DDR3 to any other RAM they would probably miss Christmas 2013 and they would have to rethink the whole architecture and increase the costs of the device.

Godchild10204080d ago

Wouldn't the change of specs hinder game development? That would delay the system because it wouldn't have any launch titles. And I'm sure MSFT wouldn't release their system with no software.

GribbleGrunger4080d ago

Rock and a hard place:

Release at the same time as Sony and stick with what they have

Change their hardware and release 6 months to a year later.

MikeMyers4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Since when did specs deter success? The PS2 was the most popular system of all time and the original Xbox was more powerful and had a built in hard drive, all for the same price as the PS2.

This isn't like NVidia and AMD trying to outmatch each other.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

I hope sony lied about the ps4 and announce 10gb ram at e3. Then MS would be like O_O..

I am sure 720 will be the best media hub though.

dcbronco4080d ago

People are making a lot of assumptions about what the next Xbox will be capable of. They believe because the specs seem lower that ultimately the power will be. But design plays a huge part in ultimate power.

Microsoft has it's own chip designers. And I actually believe they are further along than AMD on HSA. HSA can make the same parts far more powerful. So The lower Microsoft specs could still lead to a lot more powerful console when it's all said and done.

Plus I think the rumored module design is because they want to use the parts for other things and they want the ability to add more than what they currently have shown. When it is released, the next Xbox will have two APUs, not one. Whether it's a BC APU or a ARM APU, it will still be available to the system to assist the other APU. And the design of the AMD base parts is all about the OS seeing all CPUs and GPUs as one part.

That added to better HSA features will add up to a much better machine. Plus they will have better tools and software. Also look at the last article about SuperDaE. Even he said he liked Durango better. If he really had access, he might know something about how those specs actually work.

nukeitall4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Like anything, it is the overall package of the architecture design. Remember how PS3 was supposed to be this monster and it cost almost 50% more at launch which didn't really translate to the performance.

Turns out, having EDRAM and shared memory which many claimed was a cheap design reserved for integrated graphics was a much better design. That is one of the reasons why many multiplatform games even when lead on the PS3 has better performance on the Xbox 360. Just see Metal Gear Rising as an example.

It's not the individual specs, but about the type of load the architecture is designed for. It is that bet, and we won't know for at least another year or two.

Furthermore, the PS Vita is far more powerful than the 3DS, yet the Nintendo 3DS has much more 3rd party support as well as a growing adoption rate, while the PS Vita seems to be diminishing.

It turns out, the specs are no longer what drives the industry, but rather the overall offering. Otherwise, the PC would have taken over the industry a long time ago.

HammadTheBeast4080d ago

Unless they want to delay the console a few months (probably 5-6 depending on speed of the manufacturer) they will not change the hardware or the motherboard.

dcbronco4080d ago

I also believe Microsoft has been so quiet because they know they have a better machine. I believe Sony knows too. That's why they have tried to bait Microsoft into talking. Whether it was the press conference or saying the specs are final. They know the 720 is more than the specs would have you believe.

Both work with AMD. But Microsoft does a ton of their own work. I bet some of those AMD guys talk a little and kinda hint that there are things that we know but can't talk about. Or things MS has done that they have given us rights to do. Sony messed up on the Cell and told IBM that what they found could be used for all future products. MS isn't going to give AMD anything to be used on the PS4. It may show up on later AMD chips, but not the PS4 chip. Maybe the PS5, but that will be when they have something even better.

Plus, I believe Microsoft has plans of shrinking and using this same chip in Surface and eventually phones. Also TVs and just about anything else you can think of. Look at the 2010 presentation leak.

http://www.theverge.com/201...

The document has been removed from most sites because MS sent the lawyers in. But it's still out there. Almost everything the PS4 has was also listed in that document. Cloud services, remote play on other devices, recording gameplay, Smartglass, TV APPs. More and more is coming true with new announcements. We just haven't heard about that second APU. Though the leak has 3 CPUs. Which is still possible if you consider the cost of ARM APU($14 in the iPad 2). And the CPU in the 360 is about to be shrunk to 22nm by IBM. SO they will be very cheap.

Since the OS should see all of those parts as one part and they are all modular, the dev kit can be changed once the parts are finalized with no consequences to any program previous developed. It's like getting more money after making your plans. It doesn't mean you can no longer do what you wanted to do. You now just have extra. So for second generation games, you know what you're really working with. Plus, I think the next Xbox will include that technology that makes last generation games look better. That upgrade to the DVD was about that more than security(just a hunch).

DOMination-4080d ago

How can it be too late for MS to change the specs. The consoles won't go into production until around July so its pretty of time to alter some minor logistics. Sony change their ram at the last minute, pretty sure MS could do the same.

Munky4080d ago

@dcbronco

you sir a breath of fresh air on this site. Bub+ for you

dcbronco4080d ago

@Hammad

The only dev kits we have seen(?) have been PC cases. We don't know what the motherboard or case looks like on the final product. So we don't know if their is room for changes. We know from leaks that the 720 architecture might be modular. Most thought for upgrades. I believe it is for two reasons. First, the final specs of the console will be secret until the last moment. HSA sees all resources as one part. Adding more parts just adds more resources. It doesn't change the previous development. Two, these parts will be sold to make TVs, Set-top boxes, phones and Surface.

If you look at the old 2010 Xbox leak(you can still find it online, the lawyers didn't get all of it), you'll see that direction. They originally had two APUs and a CPU planned, so I'm not sure what adjustments need to be made. Plus DDR5 takes more power but less space so adding a bigger PS is offset by the space created by fewer RAM sticks. And that power supply might be on the outside again.

ArmrdChaos4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Gotta love these threads. So much effort wasted on a subject that don't mean $hit until the product is in the box and on the truck. Sony hasn't released all their specs... namely price... and Microsoft hasn't given up anything official to date. Yet here are all the cheerleaders, panties in a bunch, throwing conjecture around like they were proverbial boulders in efforts of crushing the "enemy". It would be nice to courtesy flush all this opinionated crap and get back to posting concrete NEWS on this site.

dcbronco4080d ago

Chaos the purpose of the comment section is for people to give their opinion. Your comment was about your opinion that people shouldn't be giving their opinions? Huh...WHAT?

xxLuckyStrike4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Lol that Sony fanboys think they know the 720's specs and that there final. that M$ wouldn't go back and change them. I think Sony fanboys HOPE M$ doesn't go and revise specs. Means they 1up Sony and the PS4. If the leak is accurate M$ has not choice but to change specs.

1. An accurate leak almost a year before launch just looks bad. And the fact that they sat on it after Sony's great PS4 conference and Steam box announcement last year.

2. To 1up or match the PS4 specs

3. To gain some of Nintendo's Marketshare (buyers on the fence) by being able to offer a console just as powerful if not more.

4. It's a two console race this gen and a large % of Nintendo's market share is up for grabs.

5. An answer for Steam Box

Sony fanboy wont like that and want to believe the supposed leaked documents are etched in stone.. That M$ cant go back and change specs. If true Maybe they already did. Its likely M$ has/had 2-3 options to chose from.

*But I could be wrong

3GenGames4080d ago

Agreed. People saying they can't change the hardware easily...well at this point, they can easily. Early games don't push the API's to the limits. And UPGRADING hardware means you can push it further by default. Just upate the hardware, libs, and then send the new API to the devs to test/work with with updated guides to how it works with the hardware. It's not that bad right now. But will they? I don't think so. I can see 8GB of DDR3 being used. But still, it's easy to change hardware at this point in time. It'll be interesting to see what the reveal specs will be! I don't think they'll be much different from what we've seen, though.

Ju4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Can I ask my X friends a question? So, what if...let's just say, what if PS4's specs are so much better. Will you be hurt a lot? Just asking because you go the extra mile to pull those fancy ideas out of miracle land that all those fancy features happen because its MS. Weird. Reading through here, it quite looks that way. ;) LOL

GraveLord4080d ago

They pretty much are. The leaked PS4 specs were spot on except for Sony decided to double the RAM.

Rageanitus4080d ago

If its coming out this year. You can count on specs being pretty much final. It is just that they are not disclosing it (for marketing reasons).

It takes at least 6 months to ask China to build the parts in quantity and ship it through the supply chain.

Jockamo4080d ago

Plus the 360 changed it specs right before its announcement because Epic told them to increase their ram for the unreal engine. It was totally easy for them to change that...

slapedurmomsace4079d ago

@ ju....that depends..are you hurt the moment the ps4 is released it'll already be outta date tech compared to the tech for PC's? You really should take a look at some of the upcoming GPU's that are coming out. Amazing, and I'm not a PC only gamer. As a gamer who doesn't blindly follow any company just because they put they're name on it, I haven't missed 1 must have 10/10 game yet. It's a shame too from, Gears, to Mario Galaxy to Metro and to Uncharted, anyone who only follows one system just because it says sony, ms or nintendo etc..you are really missing out on a lot, and coming off as an elitest that no one is gonna take seriously anyway. If you can only afford 1 system (and I can completely understand that, thank god I never have anything planned for those months I get paid 3 times) than enjoy your system and everything it has to offer, but to come on a website to put down someone else who decided to pick a different platform...it's not gonna make your self esteem any better, and big Jim is still gonna take your lunch money monday.

andrewsqual4079d ago

They should be fine. They released a prototype to the masses before in 2005 and released the final product 4 and a half years later in Summer 2010 and people accepted it like it was an absolutely normal thing to do. So just do it again.

gaffyh4079d ago

MS did change the specs at the latest point last time, which caused the RROD issue. I can't see them making the same mistake again. Whatever they've already confirmed as specs, will be the same. Although the leaks in the first place may not have been accurate.

bicfitness4079d ago

If they swap out the RAM to be DDR5 (which they will NOT), they would have to cut the EDRAM off the mobo. That only exists in lieu of a faster RAM solution. So we'd be talking about a redesign, plus an new order for silicon, plus an increase in price. It's simply not going to happen. MS would miss Xmas for sure. No matter how much money they could throw at the issue.

If the leaked Orbis specs were as accurate as they were, we can expect the same with Durango. MS has EDRAM and their architecture will be "good enough". They'll just market the crap out of what they already have.

Last gen, Epic asking/ demanding for another MODULE of the SAME RAM MS were already planning on using is clearly a simpler and unrelated resolution to a DIFFERENT issue. Please stop comparing them.

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greenpowerz4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

You guys keep saying that hoping it's true.

Facts:

- Xbox 360 specs were changed for Gears Of War after Epic requested more RAM just a few months before launch. http://www.qj.net/xbox-360/...

-PS3 specs were changed before it's launch(something to do with PS3 Laser Diode?)

-PS4 specs were changed from 4 gigs to 8 gigs after needing to match the 720's rumored ram one up-ing the old spces(can't find the article)

-720 specs have been changing over time

^^^720 4 gigs of RAM http://arstechnica.com/gami...

^^^720 8 gigs of RAM http://gamerant.com/xbox-72...

-Leaked docs of 720 specs were old unfinalized docs for internal employee discussion and dev kit specs are changed all the time since cosnoles before they are built are on PC.

Sony is trying to get MSFT to copy their announced specs so they can one up MSFT but MSFT will make the 720 strong enough to avoid the trap. This specs race started after MSFT specs were leaked.

The Next Xbox will end up with 10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM. MSFT has come too far with too many investors tasting the crown.

barb_wire4080d ago

12GB's of RAM!?! - yeah right genius and no doubt expect to pay $1000+ for that next box..

Hellsvacancy4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

"10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM" I shall come back to this silly comment in a few months time and remember how laughable it was "10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM" MS doesnt love you that much, I doubt itll be above 6 (was going to say 4)

TheGamerDood4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

"The Next Xbox will end up with 10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM"

Is there anything better than GDDR5 right now? teehee

MS said a while ago that it's pointless to fight over hardware specs, they saw what happened on the PC and have no desire to replicate that on consoles.

(guys, guys no need to be jerks about it, we don't like it when they do it to us..show respect and you'll get it)

Rainstorm814080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Because there is no article.......just rumor and speculation that sheep love to eat up.

10-12gb of Ram? Oh I see how this works make up shyt and pass it off as fact....well in that case I saw a rumor Halo And Gears would be PS4 exclusives.....your move green.

Crazy-land is fun :)

@green below

The thing is nothing is getting changed this late in the game....your proof articles are old as hell and with the 360 the could've made the chage well over a year before the console released.....no hardware changes will be made within the same year the console launches......now go read the articles you posted and do the math

BigStef714080d ago

What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul

greenpowerz4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Holy crap LMAO

Ruffled some feathers?

I guess Sony is allowed to change specs but not MSFT then?

Assuming MSFT needs to change anything because of PS4 being better spec-ed is just seculation based on not knowing what MSFT is really doing.

You're entitled to believe your double standards over which company can make changes. It's your right to assume the PS4 is the best spec-ed console even now, forget about MSFT changing anything.

@BigStef71

You didn't understand that?

It was a response to a troll saying MSFT can't change the specs of the 720 and I responded with examples of it happening all the time. I guess you wish MSFT will not be able to change the 720 aswell?

Your response is the most childish a$$hurt thing I've heard in a while. Selective intelligence?

My post was examples of changes to specs and the spec war going on, that started this generation.

An Ape could grasp what I said LOL

DETH

If you're responding to me I wasn't talking about ram a Console or PC wouldn't use.

DethWish4080d ago

Yes there is better ram than gddr5, its used by server machines and its expensive as fuck. Don't expect to see "the best ram" in a console anytime soon :)

stage884080d ago

Bookmarked to laugh at later once MS unveil the new Xbox and its less than superior ram.

PS. Hi, future Stage88, I hope April is treating you well

Cyrax44080d ago

"The Next Xbox will end up with 10 to 12 gigs of the best RAM."

You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talking about, kiddo. If you honestly think that MS will have 10-12 GB of GDDR5 RAM, you must be younger than 12 years old.

MS will have 8GB of DDR3 RAM and try to counter Sony be offering a system that is underpowered but much cheaper.

MasterCornholio4080d ago

Nice article

"It would have been nice to see the screenshot that squeezed a further billion dollars from Microsoft's budget just to swap out 256MB for 512MB."

But heres the problem with it. Microsoft was told by epic to upgrade the amount of ram from 256MB to 512MB however if you read the article the ram type is still the same. The reason why they could upgrade the ram was because the motherboard supported DDR3 ram so they could swap out the 256MB stick and replace it with a 512MB one.

However Microsoft is using DDR3 with the 720 which is a type of ram thats slower than the PS4s GDDR5 so while they both have 8GB of ram the PS4s ram is still faster. Now here comes the reason why Microsoft cant upgrade the ram for the console.

The reason why they cant replace the ram with a faster one is because of this.

"First up, unless Microsoft has radically upgraded its graphics and memory configuration for Durango in the last nine months (an engineering nightmare unlikely to happen - it can't really add more chips as Sony has done)"

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

What this means is that if Microsoft wants GDDR5 ram, they would have to redesign the motherboard which is something that could delay the 720 by a substantial amount. Which is the reason why they are not doing it because they dont want to give Sony a head start with this.

This is just something that you have to live with.

Kur04080d ago

There is a difference between just adding more of the same type of ram to a motherboard then completely changing the type of ram a console architecture runs on.

adorie4080d ago

i bet you don't game on pc and understand the basics of the hardware market. Because it at least seems that way.

grayfoxx8814080d ago

I am so tired of reading your delusional comments. Please, stop embarrassing yourself.

nukeitall4080d ago

As I pointed out in the previous comment, specs aren't the defining factor nor is carefully computed numbers to show a system in its best condition.

It is the overall architecture for a type of load.

That said, MS likely has several designs for the next Xbox architecture. They all have contingency plans so it wouldn't be impossible for MS to change.

Question is, do they want to or do they think their architecture can match the competitors?

BlueTemplar4080d ago

@greenpowerz you deserve more bubbles for being hilarious.

xxLuckyStrike4080d ago

@greenpowerz

their worried. They say it's too late for M$ to have changed anything an that's final. Cause nothing can be more powerful then the PS4. If it does they'll all start jumping off bridges or continue to live in denial

dubt724080d ago

@stef I don't think green knows that that was an insanely funny scene in Billy Madison, or else he'd see the comedy in it and realize you were joking around (I think). But kudos, nonetheless.

Dee_914080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

@xxLuckyStrike
Maybe you and greenpower should learn how to read.Nobody said they cant change their specs or its too late.
They can update or change if they want but its common sense that it wont release this year.Like what everyone is saying ... geniuses.
Any way.. I dont think they will change their specs.

NonApplicable4080d ago

Can I subtract a bubble for being a complete moron?

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fsfsxii4079d ago

I like how you couldn't find the article and made up these facts and built the 720 facts over rumors....

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SDF Repellent4080d ago

Man, another kaz avatar, let me guess you are a Sony fan. The fact of the matter is no one really knows the final spec of the next Xbox, the rumored for Sony is close and mostly true except for the 8gb ram part, but that doesn't mean the spec for the next Xbox is correct. For all we know, there might be several prototype of the x720 in preparation for a counter like this. Lets not get ahead of ourselves. Remember, Microsoft has billions in cash and Sony is still in the Red.

Outside_ofthe_Box4080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Can I guess what fan you are lol?

It's safe to say the specs for both systems are going to be fairly close. That's why Sony revealed their specs. They know that even if the 720 out specs the PS4 the difference won't be super huge. Which one is more powerful than other isn't going to matter in the bigger scheme of things as the difference won't be big. Only fanboys are going to be gloating about it just like they do with sales. Most 3rd party devs are doing to develop for both console so as long the install bases are as close as it is this gen.

Luthiens14080d ago (Edited 4080d ago )

Talking of red, didnt ms change the ram for the 360 late in development. It has to be remembered how many launch machines whent belly up (mine included) because of heat issues. I hope they dont try to bandage stuff into it again.
*edit* My first paragraph is fact, so to disagree must mean you do want bandage's...lmfao.

adorie4080d ago

This buds for you.
http://www.wikinvest.com/st...

Assets are as good as cash. Think of it as a more intelligent "yard sale"

DigitalSmoke4079d ago

Did you see Microsoft put out Sony's INCREDIBLE hype momentum with a "simple" remark saying that ofcourse!!! they will match, or go past the Sony spec!!!....
nope, so they can do NOTHING, or they would have shut this Sony party down days ago.

Microsoft is in bigger trouble then you realize.

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Dragos754080d ago

Why would MS have to change their specs?....lol Specs are important but in the end both of theses consoles will be similar in power. Its all about strategy.

DigitalSmoke4079d ago

On a 1 to 1 hardware strength ratio Microsoft loses the battle to Sony on every single day.
They cannot match the software output Sony has generated.

If they underpower their console (wich i think they can do nothing about at this stage and level) they will get a beating so hard, that they will leave so much damage to their comunity that there's no choice but leave the console scene completely.
They cannot get Sega on us because they have no software.

ALLWRONG4080d ago

LOL PS fanboys hoping and wishing that rumored Xbox specs are true. I remember MS doing a couple serious upgrades to the 360 at the last minute. Hell even Sony added Blu-ray at the last minute. I don't know what is more "duh" comparing to rumored internet specs, or believing that those rumors are true.

user39158004080d ago

You see thats how events are done 3 days.

haggishurler4080d ago

You see thats how events are done internal.

enjoy...

morkendo234080d ago

all i hear these days: more power,more power,more power ps4 will have power with 720 with power.
all i want is more GAMES,more GAMES,more GAMES!!!!!

only power im concern with is the power button (on switch)

AngelicIceDiamond4080d ago

MS can't change their specs by that time? Or how bout MS probably already has powerful specs to begin with?

I'm just saying both Sony and MS will have powerful machines.

3-4-54080d ago

Basically it's this

A.) Leave it as is and Xbox 720 released Holiday 2013

B.) Add change memory to DDR5 and console is released in March 2014.

deanobi4080d ago

12 Gig Ram and March 2013 release for the new Xbox Trinity ;)

akaakaaka4079d ago

I'm sure I will not get one but let's hope they keep up with the 8gb gddr5 ram..

and this time we see EA games Konami where missing from the Sony conference..
I want to see more next gen games!!!

humbleopinion4079d ago

I also doubt MS will change it in such a short time, but the real question is: did they already change it months ago without this information leaking out?
Sony after all just surprised everyone with 8GB VS 4GB, and they didn't just decide to stick it in the system last month.

Time will tell...

otherZinc4079d ago

Wow, I didn't know M$ released final specs to its shareholders??? All M$'s specs to this point is PURE speculation.

M$ changed its specs only at the strong request of Epic. I'm positive they have a set of specs geared to choose from.

Tr10wn4079d ago

I dont understand how you can change something that isnt even announced yet, all the specs andanything 720 related is just rumors, the 720 might as well be powered by the sun but is just a rumor...

AmkOwns4079d ago

i hope MS will hit hard so sony can hit harder :-)

Munky4079d ago (Edited 4079d ago )

@bicfitness

So would bumping the amount of DDR3 RAM be a better/more realistic option at this point for MS? Would it even be worth the trouble to increase the amount of RAM or is DDR5 that much faster then DDR3 that any increase would be considered a waste of time? I'm curious of what you think as you seem to know what you are talking about.

r1sh124079d ago (Edited 4079d ago )

they might.
They did it with the wireless controller for xbox 360, and with soo much media scrutiny over the generation of RAM in the nextbox I wouldnt be surprised if they are forced to

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BrianC62344080d ago

Microsoft is going to show their console internally? I'd hope people at Microsoft have seen it by now.

BrianC62344080d ago

Where does it say investors in this genius?

“The purpose of START (Strategies, Tactics and Regional Targets) is to bring together all levels of employees from CCG to share high-level corporate direction as well as Business Group and segment product strategies and details necessary to build out timely, comprehensive and integrated business plans,”

Donnieboi4080d ago

That entire segment u quoted had named it's investors. Genius.

Irishguy954080d ago

Please just leave this comment section and never come back

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IronFistChinMi4080d ago

It was reported a while back, that Microsoft had this project under extremely high lockdown. If you were asked to work on it, you couldn't even tell your line manager what you were up to. Microsoft just gave you a list of stock responses, so they'd know to stop asking.

Munky4080d ago

Exactly, the whole "team" working on the Nextbox is very small to begin with. On top of what you just stated, MS has made a very strong attempt to keep everything under wraps until they are ready to unveil the console. To think that the whole company or a large number of individuals working for MS are aware of all the details related to the console is pretty ridiculous.

Automatic794080d ago

I think we should all wait and see before we add more rumors. These debates get old fast. No one clearly has a final product until closer to the holiday.

MontyQ4080d ago

I heard the next xbox was made by bill gates and stephen hawkings and that if you play halo on it you can open a worm hole to the omniverse. FACT

Reverent4080d ago

Pictures or it didn't happen.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 2h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle13h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188110h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio10h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning775h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga12h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218312h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga10h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan6h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus235h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv725h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10115h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos15h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-4h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac14h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10113h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic12h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead5h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 22h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 20h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 17h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 10h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 12h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 8h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 20h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 6h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 5h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger3h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos1d 22h ago (Edited 1d 22h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 22h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 21h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 18h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 21h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 20h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10113d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218312d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai13d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218312d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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