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Sony has Learned from Their Mistakes, the PS4 will Start Strong

Playeressence's Furious Francis discuss how the PS4 will hit the ground running next generation. Plus, how Sony can avoid the pitfalls the PS3 had against Microsoft and Nintendo's Systems.

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mochachino4084d ago

Biggest problem with PS3 was lack of quality online, difficult hardware, and price.

So yeah, Sony has learned from their mistakes and is in a good position to excel this gen.

Theyellowflash304083d ago

I thought the online was pretty good. Then again I'm not huge on Xbox Live.

Skips4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

I thought the online was pretty good too. Even before PS+ happened. After PS+, PSN (or SEN) has been the best in terms of getting the most bang for your buck for online entertainment on consoles IMO.

ON A SIDE NOTE: Did any of you guys receive $10 for the PSN store via message from Sony for being a "loyal customer"?

saladthieves4083d ago

Considering they were just launching the PS3, I would say the online portion of it was not really a problem. It was more of the cost of the hardware and lack of huge lineup of launch games. Besides, it was unfair to compare it to Xbox Live then, which had years to mature.

Fast-forward on today - and I can easily say that the PSN is more than a contender to Xbox Live, especially when you factor in PS+. I am honestly glad I subscribed. If Sony just continues to give us gamers what we want (GAMES), I'm going to keep buying them. It's okay if they branch out a bit, but as long as their focus remains in delivering good quality games (unlike Microsoft), I'll keep on subscribing.

360ICE4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

It didn't have ingame XMB at release. You had to quit the game to read messages. No, it did not have good online at release compared to Xbox. It was free, though, which is a plus. And after a couple of updates the online is very decent indeed. PS Plus is fantastic.

Gazondaily4083d ago

The online was terrible, what are you on about? It was very basic at its core. Quitting to the dashboard to read messages? What was up with that? No XMB overlay?

Seriously, how do you people not remember? And it paled in comparison to Xbox Live.

deafdani4083d ago

I think he meant at launch. The PS3's online today is a beast, but it was VERY different back in its first year. Back then, it sucked balls compared to Live on the 360.

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Bathyj4083d ago

None of those thing really mattered in the end. Xbox releasing a year early has been the only real difference.

If you dont agree then think what PS3's sales would be to XB if it had released on the same day.

And remember everyone always says it was a year late, but it was a year and a half in Europe which is Sonys most popular territory.

Gaming_Guru4083d ago

I would agree, especially since the first generation xbox 360's had no HDMI and were breaking down like crazy the one year allowed them to recover in time for the PlayStation 3.

As with the online, it's the same as it was from launch, it's just that developers add more features now, unlike with Xbox Live having everything set up by Microsoft.

NastyLeftHook04083d ago

lack of quality online? hey journey is a awesome goty online game.

ozstar4083d ago

If its not cheaper than Wii U and 720, they've made the same mistake.

Quote me on this.

Hicken4083d ago

It doesn't have to be cheaper. It just shouldn't be markedly more expensive. As long as the base model isn't some $150 dollars more than the top model for the competition, they'll be alright.

Assuming it's worth the asking price, of course.

Theyellowflash304083d ago

It needs to be reasonably priced though. $399 is the sweet spot for a lot of core gamers. Casuals will like it around $250 before they jump on.

K1SSMYAZZ4083d ago

What makes people think that Microsoft is not themselves on the point of bringing out a better console?

I believe Microsoft was and has always been til this day one step ahead of Sony. Every single move they made Microsoft has intelligently counter it.

So once again, Sony is behind as always, which is why they are planning to hit first compared to last time when they were full themselves.

FamilyGuy4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

So wrong here.

The 360 had no hdmi, no wifi, no mandatory hard drive, still uses dvd9 for its games, battery powered controllers instead of rechargeable ones aaaand rushed their product to market causing tons of returned models which hurt their reputation big time. Microsoft is and has always been way behind sony, no where near steps ahead. They played catch up by adding the features the could in the Elite model.

They followed both Sony and Nintendo's footsteps by releasing a interactive camera peripheral and then chasing the casual market. MS is only good at throwing glitter in the eyes of consumers, it may sparkle at first but all they really did was blind you.

Gazondaily4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

@Familyguy

You're right on many of the points but MS was WAY ahead in the online arena, there is simply no arguing against it. Even to this day, the PS3 cannot do what the 360 was doing pretty much day one.

Also, MS was ahead in its UI and ideas such as achievements etc.

Your last paragraph is just nonsense in my opinion. MS followed both Sony and MS?

I'm sorry but was it Sony that, having seen what the Wii was doing, did a last minute botch job that was the SixAxis without the rumble feature. How well did Sony implement that? And look at Move. At least MS committed to their piece of hardware; again what did Sony do? They copy Nintendo and then do a half-arsed job with a piece of hardware they devoted most of the E3 show to.

Let's not forget the huge mistake that was the CELL processor and how the vast majority of multiplat games suffered on the PS3.

The glitter appears to be in your eyes mate. Whilst I'm not suggesting MS was ahead of the curve, I think they were far more clued up this gen.

andibandit4083d ago

mochachino you're forgetting

Launch Lineup.
Marketing.

BullyMangler4083d ago

and dont forget they lack comfort . fart! ..

Karpetburnz4083d ago

The biggest mistakes Sony made was the huge price and lack of advertising. apart from that I think It was great.

It seems Sony has learned a lot from their mistakes and they wont let the competition get the lead so easily again. Now that the PS4 will most likely be released before the next Xbox, Im positive Sony will lead next generation.

Muffins12234083d ago

why did you get disagrees D: what you said was true!

1upgamer994083d ago

I will bet that the ones who disagree with your comment did not have PS3 at launch, because you are correct. Those who disagree are more than likely owners of PS3 at least 6 months after launch.

Clarence4083d ago

Never had a problem with online. I was happy with my PS3 right of the box.

Qrphe4082d ago

I'd say lack of games was a bigger issue than online quality.

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miyamoto4083d ago

I hope Kaz get rid of the bureaucracy inside Sony for speedy implementation of his plans for PS4 and PS Vita.

first1NFANTRY4083d ago (Edited 4083d ago )

Yes Sony has learned their mistake and i hope the MEDIA has too. They where quick to rule out and call the ps3 a failure before it even got a chance to prove itself. Fast forward years later and it's quite evident the naysayers have all eaten a massive amount of crow.

It's funny how the MEDIA has changed their tone this time around and are ridding the hype train for the ps4 reveal. Guess they've come to realize just how important it is for the industry and their wallets for Sony to remain in the gaming industry.

As of right now i think most rational gamers would agree that sony are the only console makers giving the hardcore audience what they want, CORE GAMES!!!

saladthieves4083d ago

As of right now, they are giving me what I want (games) and they are delivering in so many variations of exclusives and genres.

The only problem I currently face (and probably others here as well) is every time one of their exclusive comes out (and they are many), I don't have the cash to keep up, AND still get to play other games (3rd party titles, etc). This has been eased with their awesome PS+ service.

Some herp people say having too many exclusives is not a good thing derp. I'd take many exclusives over less to no exclusives any day of any gaming generation, thank you very much.

insomnium24083d ago

I agree with everything you said except I don't think the media has learned anything.

They hype now for teh hits and once Sony reveals anything it will go straight back to doom no matter what they announce. The amount of hits is just too good to pass up on with doom Playstation/Sony-stories.

I would really like to be proven wrong about this but I won't be holding my breath over it. I saw how s*it went down with PS3.

Godmars2904083d ago

Should be "If Sony Has Learned From Their Mistakes." Thought really, beside failing with 3rd party support, advertising, they didn't do much wrong.

PopRocks3594083d ago

I would assume they would learn a thing or two after the PS3. Anyway, why is this article in the Wii U section?

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7223h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle10h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18817h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio7h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning772h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga9h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21838h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga7h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan3h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus232h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv722h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10112h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos12h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-1h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac11h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad11h ago(Edited 11h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10110h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic8h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead2h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers1d 8h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos17h ago(Edited 17h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken19h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g1d 4h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing1d 4h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H91d 4h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola1d ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn6691d 3h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle1d 3h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 19h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 17h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 14h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 7h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 9h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 5h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 17h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 3h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 2h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 18h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 18h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 15h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 18h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 17h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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