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Microsoft Wagering Too Much On Kinect With The Next Xbox?

Houston (TheNextXbox) – The next-generation Xbox is getting closer and closer to an official unveiling, and we are starting to learn a lot more about what to expect from the new technology. The next Xbox, according to all of our sources, is going to ship with the new and improved Kinect. This begs the question though, is Microsoft wagering too much of its future on this piece of hardware?

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Bagogames4090d ago

Wonder will there be much of a difference in the models?

pangitkqb4090d ago (Edited 4090d ago )

If the rumors that the Next Xbox can't run games without a Kinect "connection" are true than the answer is an obvious "yes."

Millions of Xbox gamers - like me - didn't buy Kinect for a reason. I have zero interest in Kinect or any kind of motion control. (Nothing against those who enjoy those options, just not my cup-o'-tea.)

Requiring Kinect to play when I don't have any interest in the device is killer for me, especially in light that the console would obviously be cheaper if the peripheral wasn't included with every SKU and required for playing every game.

BanBrother4090d ago

Pang

You got it right. Even if they do offer a bundle without Kinect, the fact is that ALL consoles have been built around the Kinect 2.0, so the price you are paying has been driven up by Kinect 2.0. I highly doubt that Kinect would be its own stand alone device, as that would be severely limiting its power, making it not much of an improvement over the original Kinect.

I don't even know if I care anymore. All these rumours have ruined it for me and I probably won't even get the next Xbox. The Xbox 360 I got in 2008 was my first Xbox console. Happy the first couple of years but then everything is Kinect this, Kinect that.

EVILDEAD3604090d ago

I love that its included. No more buying seperate peripherals.

It's obviously going to better than the original, but the interesting part is that Sony is packing in the new verion of eye and Move with every PS4 as well.

Evil

IWentBrokeForGaming4090d ago

This Kinect-less 720 console, yet needing a Kinect to even really be playable... is just like the ignorant maneuver MS pulled with the 4gig Slim 360!

dcbronco4090d ago

Actually it's more like the arrogant move Sony pulled with Blu-ray. People paid $600 for a console that could have been $400.

The reality is the next Xbox was going to be $400 no matter what. So Microsoft is only cutting into their profits. Contrary to what people believe, these machine will not cost as much to make as people think. A lot has changed since 2005. CPUs are cheaper to make and so are GPUs. Plus they will most likely be on the same die which cuts cost almost in half.

The perception of the cost of these consoles will be like the perception of the cost of Kinect before launch. People thought it was going to be over $200. Turns out the parts cost $56. APUs and really small die sizes will make these consoles sell at a profit at launch.

As for Kinect, people need to let go of the idea that it is only for casual games. The rumors of 3gbs of RAM being for Kinect and the OS sounds like a lot more than casual games. And considering their complaints about USB in the 360 Microsoft always wanted more from Kinect. Kinect will be used a lot more for hardcore games.

NukaCola4090d ago

Kinect 2.0 with the next Xbox is a good choice as it will be easier for integration as a part of the core package,. However if Kinect is their focus then problems will be there. Kinect is an add-on if everyone else isn't on board. That means that every multiplat game could be hindered by the forced need of Kinect. It hurts the developers, the gamers of other systems and the Xbox gamers if MS mandates Kinect be the center of development. MS has a lot of rules about their product that has cuased a lot of issues with devs in the past. Kinect off the bat for the nextgen Xbox is fine, but MS should do it up right this time so it's successful without being damaging.

dcbronco4090d ago

The idea that every game will have to use Kinect is being overblown and misinterpreted. I would bet it needs to be part of the system, but not necessarily part of the game. Kinect is just another interface method. More in line, most likely with the future of controls. The future of controllers will probably be more of a hand attachment than a gamepad. And motion controls will be a huge part of that. People need to get over that and start to let go of the past.

The future of controls will be gesture and mind. Even feedback may be based on mental input instead of force-feedback in the future. VR with signals sent directly to brain instead of a controller and a bunch of buttons. The Wii-mote was just a start. Get your heads out of your past.

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SilentNegotiator4090d ago

Now wait a minute...We don't even know if they're wagering ANYTHING on Kinect next-gen!

Just_The_Truth4087d ago

They invested too much into the kinect to quit now but they need to let it die. It's a great idea just like the PSEYE but cameras don't work in gaming, both companies proved that. I'd say the same about the move but it actually is fairly accurate and is a controller w/buttons like the wii. Plus Sony said from the beginning it wasn't going to force it on devs and I think that was for the best. Simply, motion controls including the wii were fun while it lasted but we need to get back to focusing on making greAAAt games.

DaThreats4090d ago

Yes and they are doing it now.

LOGICWINS4090d ago

They don't have a choice considering how much they spent to develop/market it.

greenpowerz4090d ago (Edited 4090d ago )

It's almost like the other side or hit seekers expected MSFT to stop supporting Kinect because they had trashed kinect on forums for years(despite the 30 million owners)

It will be hated until haters have something simular to even up the odds of marketshare/popularity/braggin g rights/cool futuristic tech to play with.

-It comes with the console(so what(better to have it for a number of reason vs buying it later giving added value)

-It's always on(so what(owners can probably have full control of the console no matter if in Non Kinect games, standard games, apps, Kinect games all media features and smartglass/standby/smart glass 720 standby

-Kinect 2 coming with every xbox doesn't mean all games will be full Kinect games or that all games have Kinect ingame functionality(Just console OS control)

-Kinect 2 coming with the 720 and always being on doesn't mean Kinect will be spying on you(you can turn off the camera and set privacy setting to not share video with others online like Kinect 1)

-Kinect 2 having to be on all the time and coming with every 720 doesn't mean MSFT is just trying to force the adoption on you( Kinect 2 might have hardware built into it like processors that the 720 can use/pull power/resouces from when not using other functions and doesn't make sense for MSFT to add boosted power/capability to only kinect owners(leared from spliting capability with the 360 hdd etc)

-Kinect 2 could possibly be part of the 720's main hardware specs/brain and is the reason it comes with every console and ist always needs to be on

-Attacking Kinect and writting articles about it is not going to give Sony the win Next generation nor is pretending there is some huge anti Kinect xbox fan movement against KInect when 90% of the negative talk comes from Sony supporters. The xbox fans that do not suuport Kinect simply don't buy it or use it. No xbox fan wastes time complaining about a peripheral/setting/feature/gam e they don't use/play LMAO

Stop with the hit seeking articles(authors & contributors) trying to fire up anti MSFT fanboys. sheeesh

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GribbleGrunger4090d ago (Edited 4090d ago )

I don't think you realise what the consequences are of supporting such a device so heavily. Business will go to the biggest market, so the more people support Kinect, the more MS will budget for Kinect games. If 360 owners are happy to become the next Wii kids then fair enough, but a lot of my 360 friends are really pizzed off that some 360 owners don't understand that they're destroying the very reason they bought a 360 in the first place. If it does happen and 80% of the content MS put out is Kinect related, then remember it was you who created that market.

HeavenlySnipes4090d ago

Your first point is terrible. "Having to buy it later on"

I never wanted one in the first place. Shipping one with the console is basically forcing me to buy this shit and drives up the cost

CC-Tron4090d ago

Microsoft isn't forcing you to do anything. If you don't like it buy a PS4. Problem solved. Choices my man. Choices.

insomnium24090d ago

"because they had trashed kinect on forums for years(despite the 30 million owners) "

OK I stopped reading right there. What in the hell does sales have to do with trashing Kinect on a forum? You see people on a forum talking about videogames tend to be a bit more on the hc-side of things most of the time. HC-gamers on a gaming forum are bound to trash a BS peripheral like Kinect since it offers nothing for them and it even took away resources from hc-games.

It's like they have 2 owwies and they aren't allowed to trash Kinect cause of it's sales to the friggen casual crowd. What the hell kind of twisted logic is that?

mr_kubrick4090d ago

Reading something you wrote 4d ago:

"31 yo here too and PS3 is, was and always will be the best current gen console. So much bang for the buck it's oytrageous to even think otherwise."

31yo and a few hundred bucks do hurt you? OMG, what have u done with your life. Get a real job, guy. On the other hand, who cares what a sony boy thinks in a xbox only thread....

even if MS will give the next xbox completely for FREE you sony guys here on N4G will hate. its your nature.

Lvl_up_gamer4089d ago

"HC-gamers on a gaming forum are bound to trash a BS peripheral like Kinect since it offers nothing for them and it even took away resources from hc-games."

Can you explain exactly HOW Kinect took ANYTHING away from the Hardcore gamers?

How can you prove that MS had a fixed budget and decided to put it towards a Kinect title rather then putting it towards something else?

Please explain.

SilentNegotiator4090d ago (Edited 4090d ago )

Except Kinect has seen an exponential fall in software sales.

WELL WELL WELL! Look who uses Microsoft's NASDAQ tag (MSFT) to abbreviate! Someone still hopes for a repeat on '99, it seems. Sorry, buddy, MS's stock hasn't seen real growth in over a decade. Try playing games instead of buying shares of which you apparently buy stinkers.

BlueTemplar4090d ago (Edited 4090d ago )

@Greenpowerz

People dont hate kinect for the sake of it - instead of falling back on the standard defence of "Oh it sold x amount so it must be great", how about you actually list some quality games that justify its inclusion in the next xbox.

I personally cant think of a single one I'd like to play - I know several people who've had one since launch and they currently have them sat gathering dust alongside their wiis.

Go on, I challenge you - name 3 really good kinect games (and better-with-kinect voice commands crowbarred into games doesnt count)

EDIT: It's been out what 2 years or so now, so naming 3 should be REAL easy.

BlueTemplar4090d ago

LOL - 2 disagrees but still no games mentioned.

Says it all!

dcbronco4089d ago (Edited 4089d ago )

Green you definitely bring up a good point on the sharing of specs. I've seen rumors that Kinect will have it's own CPU this time. I wonder if it will be just one more resource for the system to use.

I think MS will still include an APU for BC. Probably just a chip just like the one in the current 360. But instead of it being just for BC, it will also be for anything else that the developer wants to use it for. Same for the Kinect CPU. MS has been doing a lot of work on making one language work on many different architectures. That would lend a the 720 a lot more power than the basic specs might indicate. That and whatever specialized modifications MS adds. That main APU may be sending assignments all over the console to three different CPUs and two different GPUs.

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StrongMan4090d ago

Yes. This is why most hardcore gamers will not buy the next Xbox. Xbox fans are outraged at MS abandoning them. Check the Xbox forums and Major Nelson's Blogger if you don't believe me.

greenpowerz4090d ago (Edited 4090d ago )

Like the outrage from "xbox" fans in Xbox articles on N4G and other Xbox zones ;)

We know where most of the outrage comes from no matter the location esecially in xbox only zones judging by N4G. I can count on one hand how many times I've read or been in *PS3 only articles* with *no mention of xbox or related news* in the last 6 months

EDIT

OUCH! a disagree yet most the people in here are known Sony supporters LMAO

Bathyj4090d ago

You know its too easy for you to just dismiss opinions believing everyone not happy with MS's direction is a Sony fanboy, but many here are just gamers, and want a games console manufacturer to focus on us, not our mothers.

You dont even question this stuff, you just slurp it down like they cant do anything to turn you away. You basically act like no matter what they do, you'll love it.

Not everyone thinks 4 main IP's repeated, are enough. We like new stuff too. New stuff targeted at gamers.

I was quite happy to give Kinect a chance and was excited by the concept but name one single game that makes you say, man I have to go get one of those. Name one game that a hardcore player would say, Ive been wrong about this the whole time. Hell, just name one good game. You cant, there are none.

So go ahead, brush my opinion aside cos I'm known to prefer Playstation, but I supported MS heavily as the new player last gen, and bought alot of games on 360 for the first half of this gen even though Ive had as many RRoD's as you have fingers on one hand, but MS just isnt interest in my business anymore.

I didnt turn my back on them, they turned their back on me.

I'm quite willing to be won back, I'd love it if I had 2 consoles again that were interesting to me, but their pattern of behavior makes this very unlikely.

kenshiro1004090d ago

The fact that you're so insecure about the opinions of others says a lot about you. Obviously someone just can't say anything bad about Kinect before they're accused on being a fanboy.

mr_kubrick4090d ago

@shadowgeist (german huh?)

So he is insecure if he says the truth.
FACT is, this place is completely out of logice because there are millions of Sony-Fanboys. EVERY Xbox-related threads is destroyed.

Just take a look at the Agree/Disagree-Ratio. Everywhere ppl say something good about the Xbox they get way more disagrees.

Its just sad.

BlueTemplar4090d ago

@Bathyj you took the words right out of my mouth!

Your experience is pretty much the exact same as mine - I started this generation as massive xbox fan, but after 5 RRODs and an increasingly stale collection of exclusives I reluctantly ended up buying a PS3.

Since then I honestly dont think ive missed out on anything, and have got to experience some of the best games of this generation - demons souls, and the uncharted series being the most notable examples.

kenshiro1004090d ago (Edited 4090d ago )

And anyone who says something remotely negative about the 360 gets attacked in the same manner.

Your point?

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Npugz74090d ago

I'm a xbox guy but because microsoft has been pushing kinect so much on everything Im' going with the PS4 NextGen. Seems like microsoft is pushing us Hardcore Xbox gamers into the background more and more!!

ThanatosDMC4090d ago

Same thing with my best friend and he's a die hard 360 fanboy. He hates the direction MS went from hardcore to casual. But he still refuses to buy a PS3.

DARK WITNESS4090d ago

you are not alone. I have been feeling the same way the past year or two.

I am now at the point I am seriously considering ps4 or the xbox. I really want to just see what sony have done with the new ps4 controller is like. That will be one of the biggest factors that help me make up my mind. everything else is already starting to stack up in sony's favour this time round.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7218h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle5h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18813h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio2h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga5h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21834h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga3h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1018h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos7h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac6h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1016h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos5h ago(Edited 5h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 12h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 10h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 5h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 1h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 12h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic23h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9022h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 14h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 11h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 12h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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