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How Much Should Microsoft Tweak The Next Xbox Controller

Houston (TheNextXbox) – The controller that is used and ships with a gaming console can make or break the console’s success. We have seen this in the past, with the Nintendo Wii creating a whole gaming niche for itself with a brand new controller. So how much should Microsoft change the next-generation Xbox controller, from what we have with the Xbox 360?

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NukaCola4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

Better D-Pad and internal battery

Other than that, it's a good controller.

cl19834093d ago

Change the d pad, but allow controller cross over 360/new xbox.

EVILDEAD3604093d ago

Best controller in the biz.

They fixed the D-pad with the new metallic controllers, but it'll be interesting what comes next.

What you will see is everyone emulating it's design as Nintendo did with the Wii-u.

The verdict is out on Sony for the PS4.

Evil

DragonKnight4093d ago

"Best controller in the biz."

Subjective and inaccurate.

Irishguy954093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

Not the best controller, best out of Nin/Sony/MS. But there are better(more expensive) ones on PC. The 360 controller is the best there has been on consoles yet though. I hope Sony rob the design too but keep the quality of their buttons.

It's seemingly common knowledge(besides N4G of course) that MS hit the nail on the head with their controller this gen, besides the D-Pad which was fixed with the new controllers.

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NeverEnding19894093d ago

The D-pad has been fixed for a few years now. Much better. Internal batteries would have been expensive in 2005, but not so now. I definitely see them adding that.

Otherwise the controller won't change. Nintendo has already made their controller more like Microsoft's and I have no doubt Sony will copy as well. Aside from cross game chat, a better controller is the most wanted feature from the Sony faithful.

M$ did a great job with their controller and hit a sweet spot. Unless controller format changes (screen in the middle) I could see the current controller staying around for a few generations.

And I agree. Best in the biz by far.

TheRealSpy4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

""Best controller in the biz."

Subjective and inaccurate."

If it's subjective, it can't be inaccurate. Kinda of a hypocritical statement, actually.

I agree with everyone about the D-pad. Disagree about the battery though. I like being able to swap out my rechargeable batteries and charge them independently of the controller. I think that's where the Wii U and the PS3 controller really fall short. If I am playing a ps3 game and the battery in my controller is dying, my only option is to plug the controller in if i want to keep playing. And on Wii U...forget it. You just have to stop playing and wait for the controller to charge back up. Pretty stupid design choice.

DragonKnight4092d ago

"f it's subjective, it can't be inaccurate. Kinda of a hypocritical statement, actually."

Actually you have it wrong. If it's subjective, it can't be accurate. That's the same as saying a personal preference is generally accurate for the majority when it's entirely based on the individual. But, to go further and unfortunately to have to repeat myself like a broken record, MS' controller hasn't won awards, Sony's has. Therefore, to state categorically that MS' controller is the "best in the biz" is not only subjective, and inaccurate, it also flies in the face of professionals who voted Sony's design as the superior design.

In the end that's all moot because it's still all just subjective.

nukeitall4092d ago

@DragonKnight:

"That's the same as saying a personal preference is generally accurate for the majority when it's entirely based on the individual."

That is where your assumption is wrong.l

If it is a personal preference, then that doesn't represent the majority!

That is why it is a PERSONAL PREFERENCE, therefore it is accurate FOR THAT PERSON.

DragonKnight4092d ago

@nukeitall: *facepalm* I want you to point out anywhere in that string of comments above you where anyone said "MS' controller is the best in the biz... to me." Anyone. Anywhere. Even an implication.

When you don't find it, you can then proceed to get upset about your pointless response. Then you can look up things like context and accuracy and hopefully learn a little something.

Lvl_up_gamer4092d ago

Here is what isn't "subjective". The 360 controller is THE best ergonomically correct controller on the market for any console. This is NOT subjective as ergonomics is a proven fact. So regardless if people like the triggers on the dualshock more then the 360's triggers or how well the d-pad works, bottom line, the 360 is more ergonomically correct then the dualshock.

Ergonomics is VERY important especially if you are holding a controller in your hands for hours on end. The strain put onto your hands could lead to issues with arthritis in the joints later on in life. The Dualshock is ergonomically incorrect and places unnecessary strain on the hand and finger joints. Regardless if you "feel" the dualshock just feels better, it's not true at all. Everyone's hands are built the same with a small % of people with abnormalities such as double jointed conditions. The 360 controller is MORE ergonomically correct. Period. That is NOT subjective, and despite what I feel makes the 360 controller better then the Dualshock, it is NOT subjective that the 360 controller is more ergonomically correct which is enough in itself to say the 360 controller is better then the dualshock.

DragonKnight4092d ago

@Lvl_up_gamer: Still subjective. Do you have proof beyond your own opinion that the 360's controller is regarded as the most ergonomic controller? The field of ergonomics is a fact, the practice isn't. Ergonomics is about design efficiency and comfort, if anyone feels uncomfortable with the 360 controller, or feels the design is inefficient, then it's not a factual claim to state that the 360's controller is the most ergonomical.

People need to learn what subjective means before trying to use it in an argument.

maniacmayhem4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

@DragonKnight

Sony won an award for it's ORIGINAL duel shock controller along with Nintendo's d-pad. The award was NOT for being the BEST controller ever but for it's innovation off of the original controllers of past consoles.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

I don't know why you keep saying awards.

As for ergonomic, I don't know why that word has become the new buzz for controllers but in my opinion and many, many others the 360 controller is hands down the best out of the big 3. The main complaint you will find is the d-pad.

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BadboyCivic4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

Put a TV screen in it like the WiiU and make the D pad work like the PS3

hellvaguy4092d ago

I personally don't want a gimic screen, and don't care about the d-pad because I don't play 2D fighter games. (Just my opinion, not gunna say its true for everyone out there.)

I would like to see from both sony and ms, adult sized controllers next gen. Improved battery life and wireless headsets without the use of a separate accessory receiver would be nice too.

HeroReborn4093d ago

a little less weight too and that will make me happy it's the best controller of all 3 console makers

3-4-54092d ago

Don't change anything really. Upgrade some stuff but keep it 95% the same. It feels perfect in my hands for playing video games, I really don't want to use any other controller.

The layout of it is just really comfortable and easy to use for long game sessions.

joab7774092d ago

Best bet for both systems is to allow the old controller to work just in case. If the new one is better, everyone will buy it. Make it lighter, dpad, maybe a browser button if its gonna allow mutitasking (i know xmb can do that). The share button may be a great idea.

If its gonna be an entertainment device then functiinality is important for movies etc. Otherwise they already have a great controller.

otherZinc4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

NOT AT ALL!

M$, please don't touch that Silver Controller with the new D pad!

Also, keeping the Plug & Play Cord! If an internal controller battery dies, you must buy a $60 controller vs. a $20 battery kit! That's $40 saved towards a new game.

user39158004092d ago

Better internal batterie? I dont know but the 360 pad last the longest out of the current consoles and d-pad its great the way it is. What I want its better functionality with game developers and the lack of delay, cause fighting games like street fighter iv its nearly unplayable, its not precised as it should be, I blame capcom for that, cause teken its so much more acurate. Maybe a little more precision on the analog, but besides the dreamcast controller, I think the 360 its the king of controllers. PS CONTROLLERS GIVES ME ARTHRITIS, too small for my hands, but its well balanced, hope they copy 360 shape just like the wiiu did.

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StrongMan4093d ago

No more external batteries
Fix the D-Pad
Put the left analog stick and the D-Pad in their proper place

Do those things and it will be a great controller IMO.

Kalowest4093d ago

"Put the left analog stick and the D-Pad in their proper place"
That would destroy the 360 controller. The design makes playing FPS easier and more comfortable.

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greenpowerz4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

He didn't say that he said the design was perfect for the types of games he likes. You being stuck with a poorly designed controller and being defensive about it won't change the top notch design of the xbox controller favored with about all genres but one(Fighting)

It's not about just being good with just FPS's it's about being good with all genres except fighting.

Even Nintendo sees the quallity design of it with Wii U

It's just not the button layout, shape, size and weight of the controller that's top notch, the pressurized sticks and triggers have an unmatched sensitivity and resistance for unmatched feedback to the game and gamers developers use when developing games for xbox.

hazardman4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

I actually like external batteries, I use energizer rechargables I get 2weeks on one charge. I also dont have to deal with charge wires. Soon as I see batteries are dying I charge a pair and I'm good! The only thing I would change is the dpad, besides that everything is good. If they go a different route then atleast make them compatible.

PandemicPrawn04093d ago

Ha!

I do the same thing with the rechargeable energizer batteries. So I like the external battery set up as well.

Just improve the d pad and leave it at that. The 360 controller is nearly perfect in my opinion.

BitbyDeath4093d ago

The external battery wouldn't be so bad if they could put it inside the controller and not have it jutting out the back.

They should at the very least fix that.

Bigpappy4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

No. I like the option to swap the battery. I don't want wires on my wireless. It warns you when the batt is getting low, so you can just swap and play on. Its the best controller I have ever used. I could use it all day and not remember that it is actually controlling the image I am moving, and not my just brain.

Hufandpuf4092d ago

Keep external batteries (Buy a rechargeable pack if it's too $ consuming)

DO NOT CHANGE THE LEFT ANALOGUE STICK.

One thing I hate about the DS3 is that the analogue is too close together. The most used input should be the closest to the fingers (left analogue)

Lvl_up_gamer4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

If they did that, then they would be stepping back about 2 generations....what console maker has a controller design that dates back 2 generations with poor ergonomics?

Any company that did that may as well be constantly in the RED and make only about $6 million profit in the games division in Q3.

Pfff no console company in their right mind would do that.

The 360 controller is perfect and I LOVE the external battery. DON'T CHANGE IT!!! It takes 3 seconds to swap out the old battery pack and put in a freshly charged battery pack.

My PS3 controller is shit. When the battery runs out I have to connect the cord to the console. Who does that anymore unless you are competing in a tournament?

LAME.

Hicken4092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

Oh, boy. I remember when you weren't such an OBVIOUS troll.

Ergonomics... you should look it up. That's all I'll say on that, since it's pointless to discuss a subject with you when you're not at all knowledgeable.

The controller made by the company you allude to in a trolling fashion is the only one of the current controllers to have won awards for its design. That's all I'll say about which controller is "better."

The 360 controller's battery lasts nowhere near as long as the PS3 controller. I can put in 4+ days of 5-hour or longer sessions before my controller dies on PS3. The BEST batteries you can get for your "perfect" 360 controller ALSO need to be plugged up to be charged.

They can keep the design- though I'll never prefer it over the Dual Shock- but AT LEAST make the external battery not protrude so much.

Well, dunno why I'm even responding to you. Trolling is what you do now, right?

Edit: A few short rebuttals.

First: It'd cost close to a hundred dollars- tax included- for the 360 controller to provide a similar performance level, battery-wise(charger, rechargeable battery, charge cable, etc.)

Second: It may be just one award, but it's still one more than the 360 controller has.

Third: I didn't so much as IMPLY that the aforementioned award implied the DS was the "BEST CONTROLLER EVER."

Fourth: Interesting that you didn't even TRY to rebut my refuting his claim about ergonomics. Is it because you know I'm right there?

Fifth: That sucks for you. I've put in 12 hour stints on DC Universe and Tales of Graces without the need for a charge. What does that prove or disprove about the longevity of the 360 controller's battery life, which you SHOULD(though you probably wont) admit is crap out of the box.

stage884092d ago

@Hicken Haha, certainly put him in his place! +1 bubble

maniacmayhem4092d ago

@Hicken

"...is the only one of the current controllers to have won awards for its design."

No, but the ORIGINAL duel shock controller did win an award (not award(s) plural) for it's innovation from classic controllers of the past.

http://www.destructoid.com/...

"The award is from the Video Game Technology Group. It was nominated by our internal group and considered along with the Nintendo D-Pad both of which were considered Emmy worthy for the development of the generation of controllers that followed the classic joysticks."

No where does it mention or even suggest that because of this award it means it is the BEST CONTROLLER EVER.

"The 360 controller's battery lasts nowhere near as long as the PS3 controller. I can put in 4+ days of 5-hour or longer sessions before my controller dies on PS3."

That is pure and utter BULLSH*T. How do you even know how long the 360's battery lasts? What did you compare it too? Did you truly do a 4+ days and 5-hour long gaming session on the 360?

I have put in many hours on SF4 for PS3 and that battery gets drained rather quickly.

deSSy27244092d ago (Edited 4092d ago )

Wrong........

The controller is fine, i never owned a MS console but i have the original Xbox360 controller for my PC (two of them). I agree, the D-pad is the worst D-pad ever made (Sony and Nintendo D-pads are the best). Nothing wrong with left analog stick etc... you know why?

First, i can play with my PS3 and Xbox360 controller easily, second, for MS only owners the D-pad and left analog stick should be on the same side. I mean, its like saying: "Sony, cmon, put the D-pad and analog sticks in their proper place", hell NO!!!

Well, personally.... to me, Xbox 360 controller is the best "standard" controller ever made, just the D-pad sucks donkey balls.

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KentBlake4093d ago

A D-Pad that actually works.
Rechargeable batteries.

N0S3LFESTEEM4092d ago

That and better triggers... something with more of a mechanical feel.

deSSy27244092d ago

Triggers are good.... i have no problems with them (ok, maybe even more precision) but overall, triggers are fine.

Well, the D-pad really sucks....

matchu_peechu4093d ago (Edited 4093d ago )

Make the Xbox home button a touch button, as well as the D-Pad.
Make the batteries only rechargeable so that you can't remove them, taking away the bulge in the back of the controller
The feel of the controller is great the way it is.
Keep the buttons the same.

Tzuno4093d ago

is good as it is maybe a little smaller and lighter.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 1h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle12h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18819h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio9h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning774h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga11h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218310h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga9h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan5h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus234h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv724h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10114h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos14h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-3h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac13h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10112h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic10h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead4h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 21h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 19h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 16h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 9h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 11h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 7h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 19h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 5h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 4h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger1h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 21h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 20h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 17h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 20h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 19h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10113d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai13d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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