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Is the Wii U a Next-Gen Console?

"EA is always ready to pick a fight with Nintendo after the company opted to use its own online service, rather than Origin, and has finally had the nerve to say that the Wii U is not a next-generation console. CEO John Riccitiello claims that the next generation hasn’t started yet, even though the Wii U has been released."

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LOL_WUT4245d ago

Well said if you enjoy your Wii U then thats fine but it is not a next-gen console. ;)

PopRocks3594245d ago

Even though it came a generation after the Wii.

Ezz20134245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

it's next gen for the WII though..so i think that's why you can call it next gen

NukaCola4245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

Wii U = Nintendo games in HD and nothing more, but in the end..that is all I personally want from it. I do not care about the online, the wiiware or the multiplats. This system is for those exclusives, not our next gen priority console.

Next Gen starts on the 20th for me.

lilbroRx4245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

Go read the main GAF thread that Digital Foundry prematurely lifted the info from. The guy who did the initial analysis just weighed in and he tells a different story.

He says the chip isn't even based on an AMD design.

" Originally Posted by Jim Morrison, Chipworks:
Been reading some of the comments on your thread and have a few of my own to use as you wish.

1. This GPU is custom.
2. If it was based on ATI/AMD or a Radeon-like design, the chip would carry die marks to reflect that. Everybody has to recognize the licensing. It has none. Only Renesas name which is a former unit of NEC.
3. This chip is fabricated in a 40 nm advanced CMOS process at TSMC and is not low tech
4. For reference sake, the Apple A6 is fabricated in a 32 nm CMOS process and is also designed from scratch. It’s manufacturing costs, in volumes of 100k or more, about $26 - $30 a pop. Over 16 months degrade to about $15 each
a. Wii U only represents like 30M units per annum vs iPhone which is more like 100M units per annum. Put things in perspective.
5. This Wii U GPU costs more than that by about $20-$40 bucks each making it a very expensive piece of kit. Combine that with the IBM CPU and the Flash chip all on the same package and this whole thing is closer to $100 a piece when you add it all up
6. The Wii U main processor package is a very impressive piece of hardware when its said and done.

Trust me on this. It may not have water cooling and heat sinks the size of a brownie, but its one slick piece of silicon. eDRAM is not cheap to make. That is why not everybody does it. Cause its so dam expensive""

DF jumped the gun on getting this article and their analysis up there so fast when people are still hard at work with analyzing the chip as we speak. That article actually made me lose a huge chunk of respect for DF. They stated their opinions like they were fact and didn't even bother to check their sources.

herbs4244d ago

lilbro Rx is completely correct, its nice to see someone actually quote a true proffesional. Digital Foundry and Eurogamer made it sound like they had the GPU specs nailed down 100% but they are infact making some assumptions and there are still some very big??? It's super lame when sites jump the gun like this just for hits on there site because they know the fanboys will eat it up.
This video sums it up eloquently...

http://m.youtube.com/watch?...

lilbroRx4245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

Another fact to contradict your arugment.

http://beyond3d.com/showpos...

Bayonetta in Bayonetta 2 has over twice as many polygons in her character model as the original Bayonetta from the 360/PS3 games.

DivineAssault 4245d ago

that doesnt mean anything.. Character model polys get doubled all the time & they take away from environment counts.. Even if they didnt, if PS4 did it, she would have quadrupled poly counts on characters & environments.. It doesnt mean the system is nx gen cuz they manipulated designs..

metroid324245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

Try this email from AMD .

http://nintendoculture.file...

That's the real gpu and the retail version runs at 600mhz so it makes sense as the wiiu custom E6760 runs at 550mhz,the retail version has 480 stream processors the wiiu has 380 get it,a custom version basically just shaving the stuff off that sucks up power,to prevent over heating ect.

juandren4245d ago

I am so glad you still believe the "emails" going around. I remember when I was that naive

HITANDRUN4245d ago

tHERE IS NO NEED TO TRY AND MAKE IT RELEVANT to a next gen console, it barely touches the ones now the 360 and ps3, so if we compare then its basically just that a better gpu 360 with lower cpu input. WII-U should not be considered next gen cause if it was you have to conpared it to ps4 and 720 and that will be just a laughed.

metroid324245d ago

That's why Randy pitchford says it's a powerful powerful console and is making an Unreal Engine 4 FPS for wiiu and ps4 ect but the ps4 devkits had a meltdown and wiiu seems to be doing fine ?

solid_warlord4245d ago (Edited 4245d ago )

Its NOT in terms of hardware but its Next gen as its going to compete with M$ & $ony's next system. The original Wii also lacked hardware power as ps360 but its still considered current gen but then again, when Wii was first launched most of us didn't have HDTV so no-one really questioned whether Wii was next gen but the Wii U is lacking in all hardware department. I can't see many casuals buying Wii U atleast no way near as much as Original Wii. Sure the die hard Ninty fans have likely arleady brought Wii U but the price of a multi platform game priced more on the Wii U. No thanks. Im sure once Zelda and mario games come out we prob see increase sales but it wouldnt be too significant. I only see people buying Wii U just to play Zelda/Mario games which preety much limits to Ninty faboys.

SuperShyGuy4244d ago

Next definition - immediately afterward
Generation - All of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively

Wii U follows the time that the 360/PS3/wii were born and lived and will be in the same time as the collective of consoles PS4 and 720 will be living

Literally next generation.

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miyamoto4245d ago

i remember EA was one of the huge supporters of Nintendo on stage when they revealed the Wii U on E3

metroidfusion24245d ago

Ea aand so many other people have said this but I'm sure the wii u will prove them wrong just how ninty always or almost always does damn people judge to early and are so stupid lol

N0S3LFESTEEM4245d ago

Stop calling it ninty... everyone. Nintendo

lilbroRx4245d ago

More of this trash. The exact same garbage that they did with the Wii.

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Filing Lawsuit for Infringement of Patent Rights against Pocketpair, Inc.

Nintendo and Pokemon Company have filed a lawsuit against Pocketpair Inc., the creators of Palworld, in Tokyo, Japan.

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Number1TailzFan1d 19h ago

Ye, Custom Robo Arena was a lot better than Pokemon anyways, now that's a game.

Eonjay1d 15h ago

Interestingly this comes like a day after they announced they would be at the Tokyo Games Show.

Vits1d 13h ago

We should all really hope so. Otherwise, this could lead to many issues, as they hold patents on numerous game mechanics. And when I say numerous, I truly mean it. Take this one, for example:

"Abstract: In an example of a game program, a ground boarding target object or an air boarding target object is selected by a selection operation, and a player character is caused to board the selected boarding target object. If the player character aboard the air boarding target object moves toward the ground, the player character is automatically changed to the state where the player character is aboard the ground boarding target object, and brought into the state where the player character can move on the ground."

In plain English, do you guys remember that super amazing mechanic where you surf on the water with a Pokémon, and then when you hit land, it changes to you walking? Yeah, they patented that.

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porkChop2d ago

A patent lawsuit? What Pokémon-related patent could Palworld even be infringing that other similar games haven't? This makes no sense. Feels like Nintendo just trying to throw its weight around to bully competitors, just like they do with emulators even though they're legal.

Kaii2d ago

They can't Innovate their own IP, but when others are breaking the ceiling, they run to the courts, gtfo Nintendo/Gamefreak.

Companies' gatekeeping mechanics behind the patent system to stifle innovation, consumers will always pick the better product, it's not the consumer's fault that Gamefreak has sat on their lazy assess for years.

Kornholic1d 16h ago

"Consumers will always pick the better product"

Since when?

swedishMeatwad1d 4h ago

You can't argue with _subjective_ taste. Some people are going to like games you find crappy. I'm happy not everyone has the same taste.

Kornholic20h ago(Edited 20h ago)

@swedishMeatwad

PS5 Pro is obviously objectively the better product when compared to the base PS5, but the majority of consumers interested in a PS5 will not be picking Pro over base PS5.

There are countless examples like this out there.

The_Blue1d 12h ago

Rather you like it or not COD has many accessible options and customization that allows for better experience than most other FPS.

Knightofelemia2d ago

The Palworld has been out since January of 2024 and now Nintendo finally decides to do something. I fail to see how Palworld is like Pokemon besides evolving monsters. There are other games out there as well where you can capture and level up monsters. Tales of Symphonia 2 does that capture monsters and have them fight with you and they evolve when levelling up. The two games might share some similarities but what game doesn't borrow from another game. I could understand if Palworld was just a straight on copy clone of Pokemon but it's not. Nintendo is starting to become a pain in the ass. Going full gung ho with rom sites that I can see, purposely taking down pictures from a strategy guide for Mario 64 the strategy guide never came to North America and Nintendo had the pictures taken down. Where does it every stop with Nintendo?

babadivad1d 15h ago

Monsters don't evolve in Palworld

Software_Lover1d 11h ago

It's because Palworld became a worldwide viral success. Nintendo can't fathom someone else being that popular when it comes to a small monster catching game.

VersusDMC1d 11h ago

Nintendo is only acting now because they just finished a lawsuit which they won.

https://www.nintendolife.co...

Atlus should get on this and sue Nintendo as SMT came out before Pokemon. If Nintendo is going to play this game.

isarai1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

This feels like a scare tactic more than anything else. There's nothing here dozens of other games haven't already done, they're just mad this game showed people how much the pokemon series has been slackin and are desperately trying to make an example out of them.

How's about instead of spending all that money on court fees and lawyers you invest it into making pokémon better?

Profchaos1d 15h ago

I think if it was a scare tactic it would have happened when the game came out I have a feeling they've been building a case for a while

isarai1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

It did happen even before the game came out, they tried several tomes before and nothing came of it

Profchaos1d 15h ago

I was pretty sure the only statement they made was they would investigate

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Electronic Arts CEO: AI Is "At the Very Core of Our Business"

Today EA hosted its Investors Day, and Chief Executive Officer Andrew Wilson talked about the company's dedication to generative AI.

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Chocoburger3d ago

He's so excited to layoff more employees for FAKE STUPIDITY computer programing to replace them.

Hopefully EA takes a nosedive just like Ubisoft is currently doing. Lack of money is the only thing that can hurt them and possibly change them.

DarXyde2d ago

Knowing EA, I think they're more likely to sell their games cheaper or make Access the only way to play their titles than change course. They seem committed to destroying their labour force.

And the sad part here is that the proof of concept is there, where games can be made using AI.

I hate to say it, but those working in the gaming industry might be cooked. And unfortunately, I'm doubting most people will care as long as they get games they want. EA would absolutely dangle Dead Space 4 or a new Burnout in front of us, developed with AI. I wouldn't take it, but I think most fans would.

CantThinkOfAUsername2d ago

If AI does a better job then yeah why not? Though, I have massive doubts it will. If developers aren't willing to put effort in their games then they shouldn't be surprised that they're replaceable.

Chocoburger2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Damn, a new Burnout, don't even bring that up. It hurts just to read those words.

The indie scene is massive theses days, but the big budget scene is mostly trash. I wouldn't mind to see these big publishers suffer or crumble away.

But that can only happen when the casual gamer stops buying yearly roster updates or whatever garbage is marketed to them on TV.

DarXyde2d ago

CantThinkOfAUsername,

I disagree. I don't believe the developers are at fault here. I would think those people don't like what EA is doing, but it's EA and they have tremendous power in the industry. Not everyone has the leadership qualities to peel off and form their own company. Add to the fact that falling out of grace with EA might just be an industry kiss of death. These people don't have any power, so I really don't agree with saying they're not willing to put in the effort.

thorstein2d ago

Now we just need to develop AI CEO and sell it to the board of trustees.

staticall2d ago

Hopefully, the only people who're going to be replaced by an AI are Andrew Wilson and his top management goons.

TheNamelessOne3d ago

And EA games aren't at the core of my purchases.

XiNatsuDragnel2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Lmfao ea needs to do an ubisoft rn

ApocalypseShadow2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Of course it is. EA has been lazy for years. Profiting for investors and themselves without putting in the work. Having AI write code or build graphics for them just makes them even more lazy.

I'd laugh if those same investors built "executive code" and got rid of EA's CEO and board of directors and replaced them with AI.

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Next Battlefield Developers Are "Obsessed With Finding the Fun"

Today Electronic Arts hosted its Investors Day and its executives shared what's next for the Battlefield franchise.

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1nsomniac3d ago

ohh god, here we go!

This is exactly why the gaming industry is failing. It's now an industry of suits "trying to find the fun".

...I'll help you out a little, If you're trying to find it, then it's not fun and neither are you. move on!

LucasRuinedChildhood2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I disagree, tbh. I definitely wouldn't classify Vince Zampella as a soulless suit. It's kind of an acknowledgement that Battlefield fell off which is why they had to bring him in in the first place. He's probably the best shot EA has of making this franchise fun again.

From a software development perspective, what I read in the article of Zampella's approach of being able to easily playtest and iterate from early on in development is a good thing. That's likely a big part of why his COD games and Titanfall were so fun.

PapaBop2d ago

Calling Zampella a suit lol! People like Zampella are the half suits if you will, they bridge the gap between art and business. Suits don't care how fun a game is, they only care about profit margins.

Markdn2d ago

It's people like you that's ruining the gaming platform, negativity already before it's even dropped

Noskypeno1d 22h ago

20 years ago, Bungie used to have the motto "making games we want to play", if the devs are having fun it's a good sign it's going to be an enjoyable experience. If the devs are worried about shareholders, quotas, fitting in with current trends and trying to make a small percentage of the population happy, it's not an encouraging sign.

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gold_drake3d ago

if u need to "find the fun", thats a huge problem lol

Redgrave2d ago

This rings a bit like they might be looking for a good, long while

Relientk772d ago

Do they actually mean fun, or "surprise mechanics" and ways to monetize?

EazyC2d ago

Honestly, get them to sit down and play Bad Company 2 together.

If they can't see why that had the magic, they shouldn't be game developers.

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