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How the Xbox 360 Excelled and Failed at Delivering the Goods

"It has been many years since this current generation of consoles (for the sake of this article, the Wii for Nintendo) was released and has since sat on the market for quite a while now. We are finally entering into the realm of each major console maker releasing their next generation of consoles, with Nintendo ahead of the pack by about a year with the Wii U." | Explosion.com

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dazzrazz4115d ago

Another but hurt wannabe journalist.

blackbeld4115d ago

"Worst of all was the hardware, being behind-the-times when it came to formats and just the general failure rate. Once that original one goes out of warranty and they won’t fix your system for free anymore the nightmares begin; you have all of those games and no more system, so you need to replace it."

So that's the main reason they sold 70mil. 360's.

Good read, and so true.

KMCROC544115d ago

Cause he's come off sounding like entitled Tool.

r1sh124115d ago (Edited 4115d ago )

@Blackbeld..
This whole argument of RROD consoles are the reason for more xbox 360's being purchased is complete nonsense.

The warranty is 3 years, it extends to any replacement a customer receives. Even after the warranty is over, only refurb consoles were returned to customers so the warranty is restarted.

I do not doubt some customers will have bought a new console but it is not the major contributing factor to all sales.

The writer also goes on to say 'Great blu ray player' but physical media is pretty much dead.
Blu ray/ DVD sales have gone off the cliff, as streaming services take 1st place.
The amount Sony spent on developing blu ray, the dividends are definitely not being returned.

stage884115d ago

Nothing wrong with this article. He stated for and against, why is he butthurt?
If anything i think you are...

zerocrossing4115d ago (Edited 4115d ago )

Anyone caught using the term "buthurt" unless either in reference to another's comment or for the sake of humour or irony, immediately loses all credibility.

B1663r4115d ago

I agree, yet disagree with your exception.

Commentception!

SuperSonic2664115d ago

microsoft will tumble to sony in the next generation

GusBricker4115d ago

It'll remain the same, IMO. Xbox will dominate in North America while Sony rules everywhere else.

IAMERROR4115d ago

I knew there would be Sony drones in the comments. lol Just can't stay away can we?

Xbox has 'murica down, highly unlikely that sony is going to rule in NA again. Nintendo maybe...

Sony's true strength lies in Japan and Europe (not the UK)

So no, MS isn't going to "tumble" to anyone next gen.

nintendoland4114d ago

Nintendo: does well in America and is does best in Japan
Sony: is most popular in Europe
Microsoft: is king in America.

Nintendo is hated in Europe.

TheRealHeisenberg4115d ago (Edited 4115d ago )

I mostly agree with the failures. Just slightly disagree with the below:

"The biggest offense of the Xbox 360 was probably including a standard DVD drive and opting to sell an optional HD DVD drive while the PS3 was a bit more expensive, but included a great Blu-Ray player."

I feel games for the most part have been fine on DVD but I wonder how different would things have been if the 360 had a built-in HD-DVD or Blu-ray drive.

Edit: I'm pretty certain that this will turn in to yet another bag on MS article. That was not the intent of my comment. Though, I like my 360, I am capable of recognizing its faults; the same goes for my PS3 and Wii. None are perfect.

ElectricKaibutsu4115d ago

I think the only difference would have been higher price and maybe slower load times. And of course you wouldn't have to change discs.

Godmars2904115d ago

More like they went with the cheapest, nosiest DVD drive they could at first. One that was prone to damage discs.

And still, if you want to stand by it using DVD as "no big deal" when they not only had to allow for installs but rewrote the system OS to remove security features to give discs just a bit more space, then you're wrong. You're just wrong.

DOMination-4115d ago

Yeah, I don't think it's made too much of a difference. I can only think of a handful of games that were on multiple disks. And in most of those cases, the disk swapping was done in a sensible way. Likewise, there's only a few titles on PS3 that's really benefited from the extra blu-ray space.

Godmars2904115d ago (Edited 4115d ago )

Except those "handful of games" were and are major titles like Halo, Froza and COD. The restriction of space not only effecting how games were made or how they were played, like being able to backtrack in Star Ocean, but without HHD being common to some SKUs, who could play them or certain content from them.

Likewise the extra space blu-ray offered wasn't always needed or used, but the point is it was there when it was needed.

Honestly, arguing this point is like arguing with a flat earther who refuses to accept geological data, maps and a globe while looking down on Earth from a space station.

palaeomerus4114d ago (Edited 4114d ago )

"The restriction of space not only effecting how games were made or how they were played, like being able to backtrack in Star Ocean"

This really ONLY affected Star Ocean 4 though implying that he problem was Star Ocean 4 rather than DVD. It was just a badly designed game. Blu-ray was mostly a waste on the PS3. The games were about the same. They didn't get any bigger or any of the other pro-Sony fantasies that were tossed around as being "the reason for blu-ray". Having two or even three discs really didn't hurt most of the games that did it at all. Sony's "advanced" tech was expensive, difficult to use, and generally didn't deliver a better experience. It was bad engineering. Hopefully Sony has learned their lesson for PS4.

Anon19744115d ago

I more or less identified with this article. I thought the DVD player would end up being a limiting factor, and if it was I didn't notice, and of the games I played I know there were multi-disk games out there, but I never came across one.

I never cared for online play that much so after a few years of XBL I just didn't feel it was worth it when I could get my infrequent online fix elsewhere for free. I had a terrible time with the hardware and with MS's customer support but I know I'm in the minority there.

It's the games that make me smile as a 360 owner. I can't imagine having missed Gears of War or Halo this gen and even though hardware issues forced my hand when it came to my console of choice, I'm glad I didn't miss out on these. I feel a bit for my PS3 only friends and family that didn't experience Gears of War or Halo.

hazardman4115d ago (Edited 4115d ago )

Man well said. Also I think MS was already thinking digital distribution and. Didn't want to really go all in on the hd physical format.

The tech reliablity issue was an obvious FAIL!! But hey they rectified that and replaced broken systems for free in warranty window.

What was one of the biggest fail that this sony drone hating on ms didn't mention was how when the ps3 were dying they were charging $150 for replacement and go ahead and disagree because Its true it happened to me a d I just boutght new one instead!!

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MYSTERIO3604115d ago

MS have been to reliant on their sequels, yes MS have had some great exclusives but as much as i loved playing GOW and halo earlier this gen the experience has sort of worn off on me(not halo so much halo 4 was good). I hope MS doesn't keep this sequel mentality next gen and remove Gold membership from multiplayer games.

miDnIghtEr20C_SfF4115d ago

Uh... Killzone 3, Uncharted 2 and 3, God of War 3, LBP 2, Infamous 2, Starhawk, Resistance 2 and more.

Sequels are going to be there.

InTheLab4115d ago

4 of those are new IPs this gen and either only have sequels or are trilogies.

Gears had 4 games this gen
Halo had 4 this gen and 2 last
Fable had 3 games this gen and 1 last
Forza had 4 games this gen

And thats the point mysterio was making. Those are the staples for Xbox and MS rode them hard t his gen while offering very little of anything else aside from XBLA.

MYSTERIO3604115d ago

@miDnIghtEr20C_SfF, In the Lab is right Sony know how to create new IP in the same gen and evolve them. This gen Sony has mixed a whole host of new IP with great sequels and has kept them within a trilogy (except GOW). MS have released a few exclusive with many sequels and relied on multiplates to sell their system.

OC_MurphysLaw4115d ago

Its an interesting idea for an article series but completely horrendous in delivery. Ultimately just feels like you are reading juniors rant he wrote as part of a school paper.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7216h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle3h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic188126m ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio10m ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga2h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21831h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga46m ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1015h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos4h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac4h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad4h ago(Edited 3h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1013h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos3h ago(Edited 3h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic1h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 12h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 10h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 7h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 2h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies22h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 10h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic20h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9019h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 11h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 11h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 8h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 11h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 9h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 10h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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