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Xbox 360, not Wii, to win this console generation in the U.S.

DFC Intelligence's new report forecasts more Xbox 360s sold in the US than Wiis by 2017, and the PS3 isn't even close.

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Nyxus4119d ago

'In the US' is important to note here. Looking at the worldwide sales, it is actually very likely that the PS3 will overtake the Xox 360 soon, and Microsoft's console will end up in last place. At least as far as consoles sold goes.

berndogskate4119d ago

Already has in worldwide sales )

mr_kubrick4119d ago

IDC says yes
NPD Group says no

choose your poison....wait i know what u choose

wishingW3L4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

@mr_kubrick

IDC = World Wide sales

NPD = just North America

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guitarded774119d ago

So winning == sales??? I'm not denying any of the consoles, but everyone talks about console sales, but never mentions attach rate and overall number of games sold.

Let's say a consoles have a 20% profit margin, but software has a 60% profit margin. Console A can sell 1 million units, and console B 500k units. But console A only sells 3 pieces of software per console, and console B sells 10 pieces of software per console.

There is a lot more to SALES than just SALES. And there's a lot more to success than just SALES. So sick of the SALES pissing match 10 times a week around here. Sales should matter to investors, gamers should be more concerned with games. The only reason sales are important to gamers is because it means more support from devs making games.

AngelicIceDiamond4119d ago

@Skate Shipments WW. People need to buy the console not the stores.

dredgewalker4119d ago

Can't we all just be happy that all our favorite consoles are selling well? Going by numbers this generation has the highest number of consoles sold and it shows that the market is still healthy. All three can co-exist in this market.

mcstorm4119d ago

The way I look at it is Nintendo have had the best console sales as the Wii Wowed the public like the Iphone did when it came out but its numbers have been dropping for the last few years and software sales were mixed as 1st party games sold well and only some 3rd party ones.

MS imo have had the best Gen out the 3 because at the beginning of this gen no one thought they could push out Sony in any way shape or form yet if you look at the sales numbers of the 360 it has walked all over the Xbox sales. Xbox is now a brand name and it managed to get a grip of the core market at the start and then eat into Nintendo's none core market with Kinect. Most of the 3rd party games sell more on the 360 to and a lot are created for the 360 and ported to the PS3.

For me Sony have been the biggest losers this gen as with the PSX and PS2 they walked all over Nintendo, Sega and Microsoft and I think because of that they thought the PS brand was bigger than it was. They had a very bad start and sales were very slow. Did not have many AAA exclusives out of the block and was way to expensive for the none core to buy when the Wii and 360 were at a lower price. Move was a flop to but im glad Sony messed up at the start as it has made them go back to the drawing board and see that they now need to offer some AAA exclusives and have given some amazing games like UC and LBP and in doing this they have managed to get the sales up to match and over take the 360 week by week in Europe and Match maybe even over take them in total sales but will have to wait for MS and Sony to give us the official numbers.

But the reason why I say sony where the biggest losers is because of the hold they had on the market with the PSX and PS2 as the PS3 dose not have this. Its sold very well and Sony have done well to get the numbers up to.

For me I cant wait for Sony and Microsoft to join Nintendo in the Next gen as I think the next gen will be even closer than this one in terms of all 3 selling around about the same number of consoles.

Once thing this gen has done is its shown us there is room for 3 big names in the console business and no matter if you a Sony, Microsoft or Nintendo fan boy you have to say having all 3 pushing each other every year and every gen makes it better for us gamers Core and none core in the long run.

badz1494119d ago

that's a LONG time from now and probably Nintendo might have already released their next Wii by then!

Ult iMate4119d ago

It's like a weather vane: "PS3 is falling behind in third place! Oh, it isn't already? It's "sales don't matter" then! Oh, it contradicts with what we said for the last six years? Then change the course for "it's only US sales matter"!"

ChrisW4119d ago

What's better than being 1st or 2nd in the Special Olympics?

Not qualifying for the Special Olympics!

sikbeta4119d ago

X360 = 1st in America = Almost there: -1m to pass Wii

X360 = 2nd WW = Fact -> PS3 still doesn't overtake X360 in sales, but it's getting closer

Wii = 1st WW = Still

SolidStoner4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

just for the information..

In my country (Latvia) people buy x box console more not because its better, but because you can play pirated games on it.. but on ps3 you cant.. so there's that... 70% console here are x box just for that alone reason (no one plays xbox online here, we cant afford that in this country)... (the idea is that no one cares about games anymore, mainstream auditory is interested for casual games, low price and easy to use..)
Sales dosnt mean anything, people buy many cheap slow cars, does it makes them better somehow? no!
I own ps3 if you wonder..

B1663r4118d ago

Sales forecasts are not sales results. For that IDC FORCAST to be correct, the PS3 had to have its best Christmas season ever, which it did not, it had its worst Christmas season ever.

No worries though, when Microsoft announces their real numbers in about two weeks, and Sony obfuscates their numbers again by combining them with ps2 numbers, we will all know the score.

hotrider124118d ago (Edited 4118d ago )

i believe IDC report of sales worldwide sales more believable.

SPAM-FRITTER-1234118d ago

I thought it was confirmed World Wide SHIPPED. NOT Sales.

Amiroo4118d ago

shipment not sales.
over 76millions PS3 shipped worldwide and near 76 millions 360 sold to costumers in the world, it could be still 2 to 5 millions difference

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VINNIEPAZ4119d ago

'In the US' is important to note here.

Yeah Im sure WE CAN READ that, why do you feel the need to point it out? Stupid article anyways as all the systems are "winning"

The big 3 are not stopping anytime soon

EddieNX 4119d ago

Why does he need to point that out?

Because the tiles is missleading and says ''xbox 360 to win generation not wii'' . That title doesn't say just in the US as it should.

Nyxus4119d ago

Like Kingofwiiu said, the title is misleading.

jimbobwahey4119d ago

Yeah, it's certainly an interesting attempt at twisting the fact that as of right now, Microsoft is in last place for the second console generation in a row.

Of course that could change as time progresses, but since Microsoft dropped the original Xbox as soon as the 360 launched, and is already showing signs of abandoning the 360 to prepare for the launch of the next Xbox (given the massive drought in support for the console this year, amongst other things) it doesn't look good.

Microsoft does not support old hardware the same way that Sony does. Whereas the PS2 was still well-supported after the launch of the PS3, Microsoft completely abandoned the original Xbox and gave the adopters of their first console the finger. To think that the Xbox 360 will continue to shift units well into 2017 is wishful thinking at best.

AngelicIceDiamond4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

To be fair MS had a reason to drop the original Xbox. Beyond their 1st party smash hit Halo 2, 3rd party devs didn't really support the Xbox I remember certain games not releasing or coming out much later on the Xbox (GTA). Overall lack of support and very slows sales didn't help it either. It is amazing how MS pratically said "erase that, lets try it again." Attitude.

The Xbox 360 is whole different ball game. Great third party support, a hand full of exclusives that sale very well and a streamlined unified online service. And 10X more supported than the original Xbox ever was. I can realistically see MS supporting the 360 at least a year or less than a year in a half.

Now with that being said, this little prediction chart is a little unrealistic. Why would people in the U.S (or in the world rather) continue to buy a 360 when they know they have to pay to play? People might as well pick up the 720 and possibly get way more out of it?

nukeitall4119d ago

@jimbobwahey:

"Microsoft does not support old hardware the same way that Sony does."

You mean like how Sony poorly supports the PSP Go?

Let's get straight to the facts, the only history Sony has is pretty much of successful products when it comes to the Playstation console except for the last one. See Sony f'up PSP Go and they did the same darn thing as MS, just worse.

Sony is just as apt to pull support if the product is no longer profitable or makes sense in a business strategy. They are no more a saint than MS is.

@AngelicIceDiamond:

"Why would people in the U.S (or in the world rather) continue to buy a 360 when they know they have to pay to play? People might as well pick up the 720 and possibly get way more out of it?"

The same reason consumers have been paying to play all this time?

If anything, the NPD numbers showed that MS outsold both competitors combined this Holiday. That is some serious strength and MS still have plenty of room to drop the price, but they don't have to.

Consumers are saying "we are willing to pay more for your product and pay to use the product than other competing products available".

kenshiro1004119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

"If anything, the NPD numbers showed that MS outsold both competitors combined this Holiday. That is some serious strength and MS still have plenty of room to drop the price, but they don't have to.

Consumers are saying "we are willing to pay more for your product and pay to use the product than other competing products available"."

Proof? The last I heard, the PS3 was beating the 360 worldwide.

PJF_Josh4119d ago

jimbobwahey has is right.

@nukeitall: Explain your reasoning please
"You mean like how Sony poorly supports the PSP Go?"
"See Sony f'up PSP Go and they did the same darn thing as MS, just worse."

Games are still being made and released in digital format for the PSP/PSP go. The PlayStation store has a dedicated PSP section with 839 games (and counting) available for the system. You can still buy memory cards, you can still buy games. The only thing it doesn't take is UMD's and we all knew that going in.

Sony never dropped support for the PSP Go. They discontinued the model, but that's not even close to the same as discontinuing support for the system. You can still buy one off eBay today and have access to over 800 games on the PlayStation store through the PS3 or the Go itself. That's a well supported system by any definition.

Does it have every title ever made for the PSP? No and it was never going to. It was an experiment, an attempt to see if a purely digital delivery device was possible at that stage of the game. They learned through resistance from a number of publishers and consumers that no, people weren't ready for that yet. That's why the PS Vita exists in the form that it does, a mix of digital services and physical cards.

1Victor4118d ago

@nukeitall your logic make no sense sure pick on the go that wasn't a new hardware but a attempt to go digital only witch costumers didn't like in price. Thanks to that mistake Sony learned that digital only wasn't the answer and now the vita got both on day one. Anyways enjoy the "win in the U.S" if that makes you sleep better at night but remember that "THE U.S IS NOT THE WORLD" stay trolling my friend like the Mets fans say "there's always next year/ gen

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Thatguy-3104119d ago

Honestly no console really lost. Ye they do have the margin of who sold more but each held there grown respectfully. No one got demolished like the past two gens. If that would have been the case then yea one console would have "won" but in the end they sold respectfully and that's what counts. In my opinion No one was left behind.

soxfan20054119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

Did a recent report surface that shows the Gamecube passed the Xbox last generation? If it did, I must have missed it.

I don't know what's sadder - the fact that you have to post an outright lie in an attempt to make the Xbox brand look bad, or the fact that people actually agree with you. Just goes to show the minimal level of gaming knowledge among the masses here on N4G.

How can you accuse anyone of twisting facts when you don't even know what the facts are?

Rainstorm814119d ago

I don't know why u are getting disagrees , clearly the GameCube sold the worst out of the big three last gen.

greenpowerz4119d ago

NAH.The trend is worldwide although not as great as the us. I bet money that bs report saying PS3 pulled ahead will be disproven by MSFT and Sony's own report.

you guys did this last year when the companies own reports said the 360 won Worldwide yet PS3 fans ignored them and a week later it was as if the true reports never happen with Sony fans using vgc and other reports to claim PS3 was winning.

No one believes PS3 passed the 360(except PS3 fanboys, pro Sony media/data firms). Selling 5 million in a few months alone in one region makes the theory of PS3 passing the 360 comical at best

OMGitzThatGuy4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

I don't see how PS3 fans can still go around saying it outsold the 360 when the numbers clearly says "shipped".
shipped =/= sold if it was there wouldn't be 2 seperate sets of numbers.
And if that was the case then if a dev ships 5 million units of a game and it sells 200k copies that dev will be praised. No.

adorie4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

Nailed.
"you guys did this last year when the companies own reports said the 360 won Worldwide yet PS3 fans ignored them and a week later it was as if the true reports never happen with Sony fans using vgc and other reports to claim PS3 was winning."

So,which returning account are you?, as they put it on this site? PowerOfGreen? LOL. (Joined 16 Jun 2012 (211d ago )

Sales! The new game this generation, hopefully it doesn't go into next gen, but I don't care either way, I enjoy playing games more than talking about them.

nukeitall4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

It's more than that, it's undisclosed how those market share numbers were obtained and suggest it was an estimation. Because the numbers are so close, it is within the margin of error alone.

Essentially there is no way to verify that report. That report sounds more like one of those "PS3 will overtake Xbox 360 at launch" type articles by analysts i.e. an extrapolation.

That also means avoid sites like vgchartz.
I think it is better to wait for the official numbers reported by each company or at a minimum by a trusted source like NPD that discloses how they obtain their numbers.

YodaCracker4119d ago

This is not the first time a report has said the PS3 passed the 360 worldwide. Check out this one back in early 2011:

http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...

It's pretty much the same thing happening again with IDC's new projection that the PS3 has passed the 360 as of the beginning of 2013. Now check out this cute little prediction IDC released back in 2008:

http://img.photobucket.com/...

Ha, that image speaks for itself! As for IDC's new projection, to meet their projected sales numbers, the PS3 would have had to have its best Q4 in history while all sales numbers show the PS3 down well over last year, along with every other home console. In other words, it's not possible.

Once Microsoft and Sony release their Q4 2013 sales reports, the IDC report will be forgotten just like all those similar reports in the past. Although it's becoming harder and harder to pinpoint PS3 sales, with Sony now combining PS2 and PS3 shipments into one number as to further mask their real sales.

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Demobot4119d ago

At this point it doesn't matter where the 360 finishes. The 360 had already made a monster spot for itself.

ElementX4119d ago

Most countries don't have official numbers. I don't see how anyone can know who is ahead until Sony releases official numbers, which they are reluctant to do it seems.

jivah4119d ago

These companies are fairly accurate. They have to be. Its mostly for investor relations. And a legitimate analysis company falsely throwing out numbers can result in some deep shit

user39158004119d ago

Always people trolling for no reason, does not matter who wi or loose I had fun with all3 consoles... If we are looking at console sale wii won worldwide, if we look at who made the most money from this Gen, than MS made the most money of them 3, fact look at income gain per company. There is no looser, but the 1 who lost the most this gen was sony.

DiRtY4119d ago

Well it all comes down to the definition of winning.

Sony lost 3-4 billion USD with the PS3.
MS made 1-2 billion USD with the Xbox 360.
Nintendo made even more money with the Wii.

MS could have bundled 40 million Xbox 360s with every happy meal, if they only went for market share like Sony did.

Same for the Wii. Even more so.

So all these "OMG SONY MADE A GREAT COMEBACK!" is just meh when you see beyond the number of sales.

Just_The_Truth4119d ago

Ps3 came with wifi, free online, a motion controller(6-axis), a BLU RAY player(which cost over $700 at the launch of the ps3), a removable hard-drive upgradable to 1TB, HDMI port, Flash card readers and gets a ton of great exclusives like Uncharted.......So who won? THE PEOPLE THAT BOUGHT A PS3

callahan094119d ago

As someone who lives in the US, I'm always shocked at how well the 360 does here. I don't even know that many people that have an Xbox, most people I know have a PS3. But you can just tell from watching TV and movie, and from listening to people talk, that Americans seem to be all about the Xbox and Xbox Live. Frankly, I don't really get it. I understand that its popularity is sort of pushed along by the fact that it's popular. Like, popularity begets further popularity, like a perpetual motion machine of ever increasing popularity, because when someone gets it, they sign up for Xbox Live, and tell their friends they can be found there, so their friends get it too, and it spreads.

It's probably the same reason why if you know people with PS3, then you know more people with PS3, because it spreads in that same way; it just so happens that 360 got off to a great start in America and the PS3 did not, so the 360 has been spreading for longer and from a larger starting base... it's almost like its growth is exponential.

I feel like the PS3 is the smarter buy, because it is more of an all-in-one media hub with the blu-ray player built in, and because you don't have to pay a dime for the online play. Some 360 owners have probably spent 300-400 dollars on Xbox Live subscription fees since they've owned it.

fr0sty4119d ago

This is about as pointless as saying:

THIS JUST IN!!! Wii Fit declared best selling game ever (among 40+ yr. old married females with brown hair and at least one dog)...

Rainstorm814119d ago

Best selling? It must be the best game ever!!!!!

dedicatedtogamers4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

Nintendo has abandoned the Wii rather ungracefully. I would compare it to how Microsoft dumped the original Xbox. Therefore, "teh casuals" are pretty much done with the Wii and looking for another fix. If/when the 360 surpasses the Wii, I wouldn't so much chalk that up as "excellent job, Microsoft!". I would put it more like "shame on you, Nintendo, for abandoning your customers. Nice work, Microsoft, offering Nintendo's old customers a shiny new toy for a few months".

Oh, look! The 360! It can go online and I can dress up my 3d doll character and I can chat with friends and play Dance games and chat with my friends and go on Facebook?!? And, I can chat with my friends! Mommy, I want one!

The US is on the forefront of online social media. We are obsessed with Facebook, foursquare, Twitter, etc. Xbox Live is on the forefront of console social media integration. So, it comes as no big surprise that the system is thriving.

However, based on the diminishing number of exclusive titles and the diminishing sales of games on the 360, it should be clear as to WHAT the system is actually being used for.

donman14119d ago

It already has in global sales. Nice that Microsoft finally like Sony own their own territory... But thats about it.

nosferatuzodd4119d ago

I concur but don't tell those delusional Microsoft high horse type of people that .

Cam9774119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

You stated a fact, lol @ Xbox fanboys getting butthurt over the console's failure.

princejb1344118d ago

People have to consider also things more than just sales
Also have to consider the games on the consoles
After all with don't play the hardware sales but the games we enjoy that make the console worth purchasing

imdaboss14118d ago

First place would be the wii and 2nd goes to the PS3..It terms of sales world wide PS3 over take the 360 ..

World Wide
1st Wii
2nd PS3
3rd 360

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TheRealHeisenberg4119d ago

We all lose every time we bother to read one of your comments.

GribbleGrunger4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

'Xbox 360, not Wii, to win this console generation'

To win this generation the 360 would have to be the best selling console in WW sales, NOT just America. Clearly the writer has 'accidentally' overlooked that in the headline. I could write exactly the same article and use Japan in the same way, but I wouldn't do that, even if it did suit my purposes. It will have caught up by 2017 in America according to this article ... 2017!! Four years from now! And yet the media are telling us that it doesn't matter that the PS3 will catch up with the 360 'this year'.

Shoe/Other foot.

jmac534119d ago

How did the writer overlook anything when the title clearly states "in the U.S.". The article is clearly focused on the US market. If you want to include worldwide states write your own article. I live how xenophilic people get when it comes to the console wars.

GuyManDude4119d ago

"in the US" isn't in the title of this article on gamesindustry.biz or on N4G. It's in a heading afterwards, but not the title.

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kevnb4119d ago

define win? nintendo was making money day 1

zebramocha4119d ago (Edited 4119d ago )

In the long run this forced them to release the wiiu earlier,unless this was their plan but I don't think so because they weren't making as much money with the wii.

specsmatter4119d ago

Yes and gamers lost on that end because Nintendo sold an underpowered unit to make complete profit and gamers were stuck with horrendous ports, regurgitated ips and alot of shovel ware. Please define win?

TheRealHeisenberg4119d ago

It was a win because it brought in new gamers. Sure they were "casuals" but they are gamers none the less.

The only loss I see is MS's shift of focus over to Kinect. I bought one for the wife and kids and it has not been turned on or plugged in for over 6 months. They liked it for while but it got old. We never tried Move because it just seemed like a "me too/Wii 2" sort of thing. At least Sony continues to bring plenty of core games to the plate. Hopefully MS will pick things back up on that front next gen.

Theyellowflash304119d ago

Wii got more core first party Nintendo games than the GameCube... and thats fact. If you didn't like the Wii thats cool but to say gamers lost is stupid. Gamers can own another system to fill the gaps.

ElectricKaibutsu4119d ago

Nintendo makes a profit on things they sell? What a terrible company!

Speak for yourself "gamers lost". I went the Wii/PS3 route and continue to have a great time with both.

Biased fanboys like you that miss out on great games are the true losers.

Rainstorm814119d ago

The Wii control scheme was the problem for me, I don't want want to be forced into motion controls when I all I want to do is sit back and play Mario or Zelda.

Which is pretty much why I picked up a Wii-U at launch because nintendo's 1st party games will be more enjoyable with the Wii game pad than the wii mote .

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7214h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle1h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Cacabunga36m ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

purple1013h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos2h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac2h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1011h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 10h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 8h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 5h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN22h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies20h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 8h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic18h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9017h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 9h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 9h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 6h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 8h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 8h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref11d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref11d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref11d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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