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Do Developers Already Hate The Wii U?

One of the things that makes the Wii U different from its predecessor is Nintendo's newfound love of third-party publishers. Sure, third parties haven’t exactly been absent from Nintendo's systems, but the success of the console has never relied on outside development. They've always focused their efforts most heavily on in-house titles like Mario, Metroid, and Zelda. However, with the Wii U specs slightly outpacing the current generation of consoles, Nintendo is obviously trying to woo outside developers. And it's working.

Embeepee4176d ago

Lol, it's too early to tell! The fact that the Wii U has the Pro Controller will make it easier for devs though I guess

Anyway, the Wii U's 3rd party support will be good for at least the next 3 years because it'll have a headstart in sales against the PS4/X720. More sales = more attention from devs

kneon4176d ago

But it's miles behind the 360/PS3 install base and will be for years. Whether the Wii U will continue to get third party support will depend on how the games are selling.

So if you want continued third party support go buy the games.

Yi-Long4176d ago (Edited 4176d ago )

... but at this point, I'm not going to invest in a gimmick-based console that will be outdated specs-wise a year from now.

The 3rd party 'core' stuff is mostly just ports from current-gen consoles (and not even great ports when I read the reviews), and we'll have to wait and see about the quality of the 1st party stuff, but which is usually good.

There are a few games that look interesting, like the new Rayman, but I haven't really seen anything 'must-have'.

ChickeyCantor4176d ago (Edited 4176d ago )

" The 3rd party 'core' stuff is mostly just ports from current-gen consoles (and not even great ports when I read the reviews), and we'll have to wait and see about the quality of the 1st party stuff, but which is usually good. "

What console launch came with entirely new exclusives?

What gives you the idea if they " truly went next gen" we wouldn't see ports?

The problem is that production pipelines are for the most part stuck with the Ps3/360 standard(6 years of opitmizations ). Wii U isn't even utilized like the Ps3 is over the years.

I really don't see the relation between a " truly next gen" system and third party ports.

Consoles like Ps3/360 were outdated 6 months after their release. Not sure why you are worried about that. There are plenty of good games on them to this day.

I'm all up for advancements. But I think people are looking for excuses that do not affect their gaming experience.
You said it yourself. If 1st party stuff are usually good...why would third party content fail to do the same? How are " outdated specs " going to affect this? How is it only affecting third party developers and not Nintendo?

A good game is a good game. Regardless of specs.

Yi-Long4176d ago

"I really don't see the relation between a " truly next gen" system and third party ports."

You see 3rd party right now doing lazy ports of their PS3/360 games for the WiiU.

They can't be bothered it seems.

About a year from now we expect the new Xbox and Playstation to come out, and they will be much more powerful, is the general assumption.

What happens then is that the major 3rd party developers will focus on those new systems with their 'core' games, and once again the WiiU will be left out, cause by that time the WiiU will be far less powerful, thus again not really worth the bother of doing a proper port.

attilayavuzer4176d ago

@Sidar
"Consoles like Ps3/360 were outdated 6 months after their release. Not sure why you are worried about that. There are plenty of good games on them to this day."

But that makes the Wii U 6 years outdated. I guess we'll how far optimizations will go over the years, but I'm not extraordinarily optimistic that it'll get much better than what we're seeing now...perhaps with some of the first party games. I don't think 3rd parties will latch onto it though.

At least that means we won't be getting Family Carnival Games #67425

ChickeyCantor4176d ago

" You see 3rd party right now doing lazy ports of their PS3/360 games for the WiiU.

They can't be bothered it seems. "

New games need new resources ( teams/management/etc). Money doesn't grow on trees. Making games, especially establishing new franchises costs a lot of money.

How is this Nintendos fault?

"What happens then is that the major 3rd party developers will focus on those new systems with their 'core' games"

How do you know? In fact developers have no reason to invest in even bigger projects. No doubt they wan't to go forward. But game development these days are already costly. And this is what Sony and MS are most likely taking into consideration.

" thus again not really worth the bother of doing a proper port."

I really don't see how you think it's the Wii situation all over again. It easily runs current games at higher settings. And these are just launch title ports. It is only logical to assume that any dedicated game( or optimized dev-pipeline ) will outbest them by far.
You are assuming that the PS4/Nbox will do some space magic. We don't even know how strong they will be. In what way will the gameplay be so drastically demanding that they can't port it to the Wii U?

I'm not even betting on bigger companies opening the creative gate. Indie developers is where it is at.

@vuzer
" But that makes the Wii U 6 years outdated"
I don't think you even understand yourself. This is not how logic works.

Wii U is actually build from recent components. But technology cycles are short/fast. We keep growing faster into new technology.

That is why I said consoles are outdated after 6 months. How did you conclude it's 6 year old hardware? From what did you deduce any of that?

attilayavuzer4175d ago

@sidar

Well by what you said the 360/ps3 were outdated in 6 months (~5 1/2 years outdated), the Wii U is less powerful than current consoles, so just by basic comparison the Wii U is over 5 1/2 years outdated (by your account. I still haven't played it so I can't give a personal judgment). Doesn't matter if it's built from recent components (which it's not...seems parts were recycled from the Wii) if it's not a step forward technologically

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killerhog4176d ago

Yeah.. And how that go for the wii? Top selling console but games outside of Mario, fitness and dancing sold poorly, thus the lack of third party support.

Monstar4176d ago

LOL, n4g desperate for attention again.

Embeepee4176d ago

I don't think you understand how N4G works... Lulz

Monstar4176d ago

what, you mean posting up the most pointless traffic hit articles?

I don't think you understand how N4g REALLY works. LMFAO-yeh srsly you don't.

Dovahkiin4176d ago

@Monstar

User submitted content, that is all.

_DragonSlayer_4176d ago

Already with the Question articles..Whats next, Do Wii U games play on the Wii U? I really wish N4G would ban question articles...

millzy1024176d ago

no just EA because there cry babies and fell out with Nintendo over there rubish origing intergration. I don't play ea games anyway since all need for speeds are the same, hate all sports games in general, if I want to play football (which I don't) ill go outside and play and never got into mass effect oh and maybe Bethesda as I hadn't heard anything from them but they probably waiy and see. plus there's nothing they can add to Wii u at the moments, too late for skyrim which I'm still waiting for dlc on ps3 maybe fallout 4 could come but have to wait and see.

Heavenly King4176d ago

I am not a developer, but based on some early tech stuff, I dont like it.

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Nintendo's Massacre Of The 3DS And Wii U Is Finally Complete, Regrettably

Hanzala from eXputer: "The cruel hammer of Nintendo has fallen. Farewell, 3DS and Wii U, you surely brightened my life and many others; you won't be forgotten."

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10113d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai13d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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Nintendo's War Against Player-Made Content Will Hurt The Company In The End

Danish from eXputer: "Nintendo has historically gone against player-made content and emulation of its games. This has done much to harm the company's image."

XiNatsuDragnel19d ago

I agree nintendo hire some these folks to help in your games it'll help imo.

banger8818d ago

They need to stop announcing these mods and fan remakes until they're finished. Finish it, upload it, and then if Nintendo dmca's it tough shit. Once it's online, people can share it around, even if the original download gets taken down.

Jingsing18d ago

True, but most modders need constant admiration during the process to motivate them.

PRIMORDUS18d ago

Yup, once it's a torrent nothing can be done Nintendo is helpless at that point. But it would be wise if they just had a site on the dark web, it's also easy to use with Tor and no one will bother you.

mastershredder17d ago

This is all coming from the mouth of short-sighted fandom and grifting madness.
No.... it wont. There is a clear defined reason why they don't. This is nothing new. Make your own shi7 from your own original ideas especially if you are trying to capitalize of it it. Duh.

Yeah, hire people that have zero respect or understanding for an established process. Wow. Yep. Totally makes sense.

shinoff218317d ago

Those guys that made that sonic game got a gig from sega or something along those lines and that game was dope as hell. One of the best sonics as of late.