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Man Loses Xbox Account To Thief, Gives Thief Virtual Smackdown

Kotaku writes: "On Sunday night, Eric Graff put his son to bed. He flipped on his 360 and got ready for a session of Borderlands 2 with some friends. But when he tried to log onto his Xbox Live account, the password wouldn't work. His account had been hacked."

yesmynameissumo4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

Yet another reason why I don't pay for Xbox Live. Or use a 360. I feel for the guy though. This seems like a huge, unnecessary hassle.

maniacmayhem4229d ago

I've been on Live for years and I have never been hacked. I know hundreds of folks that have never been hacked also.

These incidents while sad are few. Reading the actual article and the link inside the story it sounds like a lot of the problems stem from the actual MS support staff.

What they suggest and what I do is have a seperate account for 360. I have a seperate credit card and account I use only for 360/PS3/Wii.

HammadTheBeast4229d ago

I think that this is on the minds of many...

Cool Story Bro.

Tell it again.

KingMe424229d ago

Im PS3 and most of my friends are PS3 and none of us have been hacked. So yeah not a valid point seeing as even after the Sony hack those that did have credit infromation didn't notice a change.

Also noe how most of the free players didn't need to worry as much since they (like me) not once used credit information cause we didn't need to in order to play online.

maniacmayhem4228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

@Kingme42

"So yeah not a valid point seeing as even after the Sony hack those that did have credit infromation didn't notice a change."

It is valid, anything you do online you should have a separate account. You don't want to put your main credit card or main account number on various gaming sites. These sites may be secured but they are not reliable to have the best security for this type of information.

"Also noe how most of the free players didn't need to worry as much since they (like me) not once used credit information cause we didn't need to in order to play online."

Ha, come to this site, try to be civil and just pass along information without being bias to one system and you always have to get at least one fanboy who has to throw some not needed remark.

Okay let’s play then.. well I do pay for a service because I like the service MS provides. Because of this I have taken extra precautions in making sure my money and identity stays safe while I enjoy my personal service of choice. And notice how I said I have never been hacked so I'm not worried.

Edit:
I just typed in "My PSN account got hacked" as
sofresh412 below suggested in a google search and suprisingly there are a lot of QandA, youtube and sony forums with these same problems over the years.

TreMillz4228d ago

"GenericScreenName and 2 more Reply
Did I miss the smackdown? I feel like I missed the smackdown."

LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

linkratos4228d ago

I'm pretty sure the PSN fiasco is the reason I had to switch credit cards. A couple weeks later some guy was using my account to buy stuff at Walmart on the other side of the country. I'll never know for sure but it's made me a lot more wary about paying for stuff online, or worse keeping my card number on account.

fr0sty4228d ago

It is important to differentiate between "hacked" and "phished", and sadly few sites bother to do that sort of thing. Rather unprofessional really, as it falsely implies that the security threat was on the side of Microsoft, and not just a user being duped into giving up their info. I'm no fan of XBL, but let's be realistic here people. If you're going to be a journalist, you must remain professional about it.

vega2754228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

@ maniacmayhem

Its funny how sonyfanboy try to make it seem like only Xbox live accounts get hacked that when you do a search of psn account being hacked you also find that they are also getting their accounts hacked also. And even as far back as 2008. How convenient they don't want to put that out there also. Not only was the psn network hack but so are peoples accounts also.

Sonyfanboys swear no ones credit cards was stolen. But many people don't come to gaming forums and Sony's wouldn't tell anyone if they did. But even when people do say they had theirs cards misused the automatically are told it wasn't because Sony's network hack. Funny how they have an excuse for that,but theirs no excuse for live

I would love to hear how they spin that or will they just hit the disagree button and pretend its just live members

Godmars2904228d ago

Why do people feel the need to defend things like this by saying "Its never happened to me"? That's not the point.

The point, much like being part of a group charging a man with a single shot pistol; if you're the one who gets shot, you're the one who got shot.

PantherDST4228d ago

If there is a website dedicated just to selling stolen Xbox Live accounts, this problem is way larger than it appears on the surface. Knowing 100 people who have not been hacked out of several million accounts is not a good indicator of security.

My account has never been hacked so there must not be a problem right?

BertlSenix4228d ago

I could hack you - The way to do it is fast and known for years.
Its pretty easy on Xbox360 - I saw people get hacked a lot in previous FIfa Version(could be done with any other game too but you know in Fifa Ultimate Team who could have good stuff that is worth to steal).
But i just stole the game cards > Not the creditcards or the M$ points cause you don't have to be a complete asshole right?
But hacking is so easy on Xbox - Microsoft didn't do shit against it in 3 or 4 years now cause they still think they are flawless and its the fault of the gamers or the fault of the game company.
Its kinda funny - For example EA Sports said they made 43 Million§ on 360 over the last holidays thanks to the people who stole Credit Cards and Points to buy cards in Fifa12.
PS3 is btw unhackable in that way - You surely can hack it but you have to be an ultra nerd with 1337 knowledge.
The 360 stuff is hackable by 5 year olds.I think there are even YOutube videos that show how you have to do it.

edgeofsins4228d ago

But it is pathetic. XBox Live offers no better security then any other free service and no insurance but you have to pay for it.

Godmars2904228d ago

No, they offer better security for themselves. Better than Sony has shown anyway.

They need to show that your information is safe with them so that you and others will give your information. Otherwise with XBL's semi-required nature would have utterly failed as a business model.

Though as is when things fail on your end of their security measures they become a hindrance to you in fixing the problem.

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dedicatedtogamers4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

It's sad when ANYone gets hacked. What needs to happen is companies (XBL, PSN, Steam) need to move away from the model of a strict DRM-controlled service (yep, Steam is DRM in case you thought otherwise) and instead focus on stricter login/account requirements. Steam happens to be on the right track: when Steam detects you're on a new computer or a new IP you're prompted to "confirm" your info via the email you've registered. Or you could use some sort of questionaire (like, list 10 random games with 3 of your own account-registered games and ask "which of these games have you purchased with our service?")

Bladesfist4228d ago

anymore than what steam gets and it becomes annoying for us people who keep our accounts secure. The biggest issue atm is people using hacked info from sony and the other big gaming hacks to check against other accounts. GW2 had a big problem with this.

ChunkyLover534229d ago

So because someone phished or guessed this guys password, that is why you don't pay for Xbox Live? People throw around the word "hacked" like its going out of style. (Mostly thanks to inaccurate movies and television shows)

Phishing and key logging can happen to anyone, at any time. I get phishing scam emails every day, like the ones that say there is a problem with my Runescape, WOW or Diablo 3 accounts, all of which I don't even have. I've even gotten a pretty legit looking one from Paypal saying my account would be suspended if I didn't enter my info.

The point is, you have to be careful when you use your password. Anyone can be phished, but as far as being hacked, Xbox Live hasn't had any problems with that, you can even use Paypal, which assumes all responsibility if someone does get into your account.

YodaCracker4229d ago

Finally, someone who knows what they're talking about. Well said!

silvacrest4229d ago

i have gotten that paypal one 3 times now and yeah, it looks real legit

where the scammers failed is where they said my account was suspended, i always just login to my account to see for my self, no suspension = scam

CaptainPunch4228d ago

Sad to see you get disagrees because of all the PS fanboys in denial.

TekoIie4228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

I think that people are using this as an MS trashing excuse.

It isnt about who gets hacked more but about who can fix the problem best and honestly when I've called customer services for either Sony or MS i have gotten nowhere...

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Christopher4228d ago

***but as far as being hacked, Xbox Live hasn't had any problems with that***

Not true. You could hack Live accounts through the Web site. The issue was that you could do brunt force attempts on passwords since Microsoft previously allowed you to 'reset' attempts to login to an account just by going back to the original login page. This was changed when it was pointed out to them during the mass account thefts earlier this year.

Otherwise, I would agree that most people lose their accounts through phishing, key logging, or using the same password across multiple sites (those sites themselves tend to get hacked).

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jadenkorri4228d ago

@ ChunkyLover53

"The point is, you have to be careful when you use your password. Anyone can be phished, but as far as being hacked, Xbox Live hasn't had any problems with that,"

maybe you shouldn't post that stupid comment on an article specifically saying xbox live account hacked.

@ GamingFeud @ StreetsofRage @ crusadernm
MS still has problems with hacking since launch, just the same as any other company. It may not have happened as big a scale/media frenzy as sony, but MS still has problems with hacking even today.

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geddesmond4229d ago

My brothers account was hacked and it took MS 2 months to sort it out

badz1494229d ago

maybe it took MS 2 minutes, not 2 months and it didn't really happened! /s

geddesmond4228d ago

You gotta love the internet and sensitive fanboys. Sure I lied about this because I thought it would start an interesting comment lol(sarcasm). Fangirls and their need to cry over anything aimed at their precious consols. If I was gonna lie about something I think of 100 better things than that. Fools grow the hell up

ChunkyLover534229d ago

You and your comments are the perfect example of what is wrong with this site. 20+ agrees and counting because you said you don't pay for Xbox Live because someone had their Live account Phished.

Xbox Live has never been hacked, to the best of my knowledge only Sony has ever had any true hacking done to their online service.

This site is a damn joke.

yesmynameissumo4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

U mad?

This shit with Live has been going on since 2006. Almost 7yrs of it should be enough for anyone to be weary. Random account theft is no "little" thing. I've spent 6yrs earning trophies, as many other gamers have spent years earning achievements. If my account was jacked and I had to play a game of ring around the rosie with Xbox support to get nowhere, I'd be pissed. The fact that the same thing had been happening for YEARS to others would only pour salt on the wound. Now, if that upsets you and your overly dramatic sensibilities, I'm fine with it. If the site is a joke, why are you here again? Go away. It's a win/win.

@AO1JMM
Your PS3 account wasn't hacked either. Just sayin

@OneAboveAll
It's up now, got free games and wasn't out a dime. *cough*

AO1JMM4229d ago

I have had Live for years as well and not once was my account hacked in any way. PS3 on the other hand....

just saying.

KingMe424229d ago

I have had psn for years and the funny thing is i never used credit information at all...so even if i am hacked all i loose is my data, my bill is safe since psn free doesn't force me to pay to play

badz1494228d ago

so, you're saying that since your account never got hacked, Live itself is not hacked thus all these people are just lying about their account being hacked? get off the high horse already as the world doesn't revolve around you! be grateful it doesn't happen to you but there are poor souls out there who got hit!

My PSN ID never got hacked too and I still got my credit card account on it even during the downtime! so...the hack was a lie too ha? It wasn't!

OneAboveAll4229d ago

Still better than live being down for months at a time due to hackers. *cough* PSN *cough*

I'v never had my account hacked.

calis4229d ago

Really?

Having your information stolen, your financial information stolen. The hassle of cancelling all your credit cards associated with the account with the banks is BETTER than not being able to play online for a month?

really?

REALLY?

idiot.

LackTrue4K4228d ago

It's up now, got free games and wasn't out a dime. *cough*

SegataShanshiro4228d ago

@onyoursistersback yeah cause ps plus doesn't cost a dime right?

awesomeperson4228d ago

@Andree

I think he was referring to the 'Welcome Back' package that all accounts were given regardless of being a Playstation Plus member or not. So yes, he got free games and was not out a dime.

Regardless, I have Plus and find it is more than worth it considering the amount of *rented* games I get (the whole not owning argument doesn't bother me considering I plan to renew my subscription as long as the benefits keep rolling).

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OhMyGandhi4229d ago

@ yesmynameissumo

really? obviously your not going to pay for xbox live if you don't have a 360.

this stuff rarely happens.

hotrider124228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

I have none of these problem of hacking i never play online games from PSN. so, therefore hacking is not a issue with me. also use pre-paid credit cards. if they want to steal from pre-paid go right ahead.

TheRealHeisenberg4228d ago

So why even bother coming in to MS/360/Live threads then? I know why. It is the same reason all of those that agreed with you came in. Same old N4G, still smoking my product.

r1sh124228d ago

There seem to be soo many misconceptions here.
Its not as if the accounts were accessed on a server where the hacker managed to get the server to output the password.
Its a more simpler form, I.E Go on this site for MS points, log in with your account for authentication.

Its like soo many people in this thread are saying
"Ive been on ps3 for years - not hacked"
"Ive been on Live for years - not hacked"

This is a small problem but its not as sophisticated as many people assume, its phishing scams, and forgot password techniques.

This is not a big problem, its a small one but MS can always do more and act faster (the support staff can).
Its also some users have pretty terrible passwords, the best passwords tend to not be words have upper and lower case, numbers and symbols.

neogeo4228d ago

yep. My N4G account just got hacked and some ahole logged into my account and gave you a disagree and a minus -1bubble then reported you as spam. Damn hackers!

lonesoul654228d ago

whole PS3 network was downed...it can happen to anyone...anytime. No reason to start a console war over it. Sadly it is just the world we live in. And people think cloud computing is a good idea? Were in trouble...

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Emilio_Estevez4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

Gave him a smackdown, but the thief still has his account....I wouldn't really call that a win.

A-Glorious-Dawn4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

And this guy had his account stolen before, last year.

Now is this guy just an idiot who is not cautious? or are Xbox Live accounts just easy to gain access to?
ForumKorner would suggest people have gotten quite good at pinching accounts..

2 accounts lost in 2 years and none
retrieved. I'd be livid..

EDIT: It seems Kotaku was wrong about ForumKorner, they commented on the article

"Yet another false claim to my website. Try doing some proper journalism like real bloggers supposed to do. We do no allow sales of stolen accounts on FK, and do not allow any illegal material their either. We allow sales of Xbox accounts however only your own account/s. That breaks ms terms of service but is not close to illegal. The user was banned as soon as we found out the account was in fact stolen, just like we ban anyone trying to sale someone other than their own account/s. We are not mind readers, and we do not make assumptions such as you, therefore proof is needed in order for a ban. The only website that should be reported, if not sued is you guys for giving my forum a bad name only because you cannot do proper research. The last article you made about my website my attorney was contacted, and will be again. I have called, emailed, and posted before with no replies. Your professionalism is terrible."

I reserve judgement on that website.

TekoIie4228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

Thing is he is basically saying this:

"We dont allow it....... but it could have happened in the past since certain people might not have been able to prove they are the legit owner of an account or not have known it was being sold there".

Still dont like him for allowing the sale of accounts. He damn well knows that some will be stolen.

specialguest4228d ago

If you read the comments on the Kotaku site, the hacker insaneyo commented and claimed to have sold it too. Seems like a win for the hacker if true.

wane4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

This is just a minor incident

yesmynameissumo4229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

1 hack with virtually zero impact afterwards vs. daily, weekly, monthly account hacks. Sorry man, I'll take the 1 hack.

BlackTar1874229d ago

Ill take no hacks both suck

XB1_PS44229d ago

Search "My psn account got hacked" tell me what you see.

Reverent4228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

@sofresh.... Lol, as if you couldn't type in the same thing about an Xbox account... God, it's like you're saying that as if you're implying that ONLY results regarding PSN accounts being hacked exist, when in reality, the exact same amount, if not more, will indeed show up if you switch out "PSN" with "XBL".

XB1_PS44228d ago

@Reverent I was replying to this statement

"1 hack with virtually zero impact afterwards vs. daily, weekly, monthly account hacks. Sorry man, I'll take the 1 hack."

He was making it seem like the only time anybody's account had been compromised was that single time. I said nothing about xbox. My account has been hacked on Xbox before.

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ziggurcat4229d ago

where's your proof that anyone's PSN account got hacked?

because the only thing that was ever stated about that incident was that there was the *possibility* that people's account *may* have been compromised.

the fact is that there have been *ZERO* reported incidents of people's accounts/CC info being taken over/used maliciously as a result of what had happened, and yet this is one of the many reported incidents of people's XBL accounts being hacked/stolen.

get your facts straight before you start trolling, buddy.

Simco8764229d ago (Edited 4229d ago )

As a PSN user, about 3 months after the hack someone in Korea used my CC info to run up a cell phone bill and pay for cable services. I believe it's the direct result of the PSN hack. If I want to buy anything on the network I buy the PSN cards at retail stores.

I would advise anyone on consoles to do this...Xbox 360 and PS3 alike.

On a side note: The article states that his account was hacked before....so it wasn't just one time *for all the Xbots out there, bubble me down ahaha YOU CANT!

DragonKnight4229d ago

@Simco876: Two reasons why your story is B.S.

Reason 1: CC numbers were encrypted. No way would hackers decrypt it in 3 months.

Reason 2: Sony set up an insurance fund of up to 1 million dollars for each affected user of the PSN hack. You're telling me you didn't go for free money to cover your alleged losses?

Credit Card fraud happens every day to millions of people. Don't try to place blame just because you were a victim of something pretty much everyone goes through.

Statix4229d ago

@wane:

I've had my PSN account for 5+ years, and I've never once had it hacked or stolen. *Knock on wood*

Besides, your passwords and credit card info were encrypted in that big PSN hack a few years ago, so there's no evidence that any personal information was ever actually stolen or used for illegitimate purposes.

ALLWRONG4229d ago

Every PSN account got hacked when PSN got hacked.

Millions vs thousands

cruxito4229d ago

same here, 5+ years no even once... but you know the haters are gonna denied it.

PSN hack was big bc it was like the Holy Grail for Hackers, so you had all these long time professional hackers attacking PSN at once, and even with that it took them quite a long time, however, NOTHING was comprise, and SONY even gave us free games.

X360 on the other hands is been hacked ever since it came out by average hackers, and microsoft dont give you nothing,

KingMe424229d ago

A minor incident that happens a few times a week in all of USA

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rajman4229d ago

So where is the virtual smackdown?

ThanatosDMC4229d ago

Yeah, i dont understand... he still got jacked.

tiffac0084228d ago (Edited 4228d ago )

I know right, they didn't even caught the thief. The thief even had the gall to claim he works for Xbox.

Sorry for the spoilers but the title is very misleading.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7222h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle9h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18817h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio6h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning772h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga9h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21838h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga7h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan3h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus232h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv722h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10112h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos11h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-1h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac10h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad10h ago(Edited 10h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10110h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic8h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead1h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 19h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 16h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 14h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 7h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 9h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 5h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 16h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 3h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 2h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 19h ago (Edited 1d 19h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 18h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 18h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 15h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 17h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 16h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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