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Left4Dead 2 on 360 gets 1st fan-made content;Why should 360 gamers have to pay when it's free on PC?

Left 4 Dead 2 on PC is open to fan modification. Indeed, it's encouraged by Valve, who not only released the tools to enable gamers to do so, but even pledged to promote one user-created map each week for the foreseeable future. One such mod is 'Cold Stream' – a fan-made campaign set in a forest that's been picked up by Valve who have officially released it on PC after months in open Beta as a free download. As a first for Xbox 360, this very same fan-made content is coming to Xbox 360 on Friday.

For 560 MS Points.

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decrypt4301d ago (Edited 4301d ago )

xbox 360 is a console, which means its a locked down platform. Console gaming in general is quite expensive compared to Pc, specially these days when console makers are penny pinching on everything possible.

Pc being an open platform acts like a resistance toward this trend, console makers hate this. its a reason why Ms is trying to lock down the next release of windows. personally i think they will fail very badly.

in general console gamers only have themselves to blame for the ill treatment they get. i think console gamers need to grow a pair and ask for mod tools on every game. it would surely go a long way to serving all the gamers pc and console.

@below

Might have been true last gen. This gen the tables have turned. A 500usd PC these days comes equipped with a quad core CPU and a GPU thats generations ahead of consoles here is an example:

http://www.tomshardware.com...

The above PC costs about the price of a console at launch. Even today 300usd for console vs 500usd for PC that isnt much of a difference.

Now consider 1 game like Left4dead 2 on console costs 30usd plus 5usd for each DLC(think there are 5), plus charges to go online. On PC the same game is only 5usd with all the DLCs free.

Now consider many such examples can be drawn. Hence console makers might trick people into believing consoles are cheap, however that has changed. The amount of penny pinching this gen is out of whack.

Lastly consider all the discounts available on platforms like Steam these days. Its literally possible to buy multiple AAA games just few months after release for 50usd. On console the prices hardly drop.

So no the tables have turned, consoles now stand as the more expensive platform, for people who want to game anyways. For those looking to buy 1-2 games only over the consoles life, then yea consoles are cheaper.

Snookies124301d ago

I think you have that kind of backwards... PC gaming is the expensive one, console is for a budget when you consider you need to pay at least 500+ dollars for the minimum gaming PC rig.

Irishguy954301d ago (Edited 4301d ago )

Initial price =/= total cost

PC gaming works out to be cheaper. Its' the same argument as saying Xbox costs more because you have to pay for Gold. Games are much cheaper on PC. That alone makes up the cost.

You don't have to constantly upgrade, you don't NEED Top quality graphics all the time, i'm getting on fine with an 8800GtX atm although yes it's certainly time to upgrade, I can still 'play' what I want. Keep in mind EVERY multiplat game looks better on my PC too

Snookies124301d ago

@Irishguy95 - I get what you're saying, but you also have to take into account the fact that as a serious PC gamer, you have to constantly upgrade your machine to keep it relevant. Meaning that even with games typically being cheaper, I believe the PC route will still be more expensive in the long run. Then again, if you count things like Steam's sales on PC games, I guess there's no comparison. I've gotten so many 20-30 USD games for like 5 dollars on there.

Honest_gamer4301d ago

you dont need to keep buying new parts my OLD 5 year old pc with a 9500gt, plays dead island on high settings, i can play crysis 1 on medium or if i want the top end craphics i can compremise for instance put texture, model, terrain graphics to ultra turn physics, shadow, water to low, and when i get my new pc next month i expect my 670 to play games maxed out for another 3/4 years without the need to reduce the graphics from max (ofcourse there will be one or two badly optimised games that i'll have to play on lower settings)

Raf1k14301d ago

Even as a serious PC gamer I don't need to constantly keep upgrading. I haven't bought an upgrade in over 3 years and the only game giving me trouble is Battlefield 3 mainly due to it being a CPU heavy game. It just means I have to play on 32 players maps if I want to continue playing at 1080p.

The next time I upgrade will be next year which will last me well into the next console generation.

While it's true some gamers frequently buy upgrades but they're in the minority. Most of us simply can't afford to keep sinking money into out PCs and we tend to play console games too.

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Emilio_Estevez4301d ago (Edited 4301d ago )

But what about the PS3? There is a ton of free DLC on there, MS just has a policy of no free DLC (which is horrible) so it's not "consoles".

And all games drop in price after a few months, that's not exclusive to PC. I just bought 6 games on Amazon for around $110. All released within the past year and half.

Seems fairly obvious why you only have 1 bubble, one sided view much?

JBSleek4301d ago

Seems fairly obvious why you will only have one your information is wrong.

NukaCola4301d ago

HALO's Forge

LittleBigPlanet

And even Unreal Tournament III on PS3.

User Content from fans and patriot loyalist should be able put their innovating ideas on Consoles and PCs regardless.

PixL4301d ago

I keep reading this argument that PC gaming is cheap all over again. I think you need to do a bit of math. Last time I checked, the price of a GPU that would handle all content I'd like to play (say BF3, because I play it a lot) was exactly the same price as a PS3. What about the rest? Will $500 give me good quality hardware if a gamer's mouse is 15-20% of the price alone? I know the prices because I used to buy PCs for gaming a few years ago. It's true you don't have to upgrade every year but it's not true you pay once in 5-6 as with consoles. I'd say you need an upgrade every 2-3 years. It's again twice as much.

Now the games. I go to Steam and I see PC games are 50 euros. I usually pay about 45-50 euros for day 1 console games. Where's the difference? Oh yes, I can sell console games after I'm done with them. That returns 75% of price if I do it within a month. I can't sell PC games. Even if I buy a boxed game (which are indeed a bit cheaper here), there's usually Internet activation and anyway nobody would buy it from me when I finish it or, worse, when I don't like it. Also PC games tend not to have demos before release. I don't know why... I also don't know why console games don't get discounted in your shops. They do where I buy, be it used or new games. A half-year old game is usually 50% release price or less (depends on popularity). I could get Max Payne 3 for less than 40 euros right now, new in foil. It's still 50 euros on Steam.

-Superman-4301d ago

Why should 360 gamers have to pay, when its free on PC?
Go ask Microsoft, because Valve game free, but Microsoft priced it.
Why? So then Microsoft can get even more money from you!

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Megaton4301d ago (Edited 4301d ago )

Microsoft forces them to charge. Several developers, including Valve and Epic, have butted heads with Microsoft over their insistence on charging for everything. They claim it "devalues the content" if you don't charge for it.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4301d ago (Edited 4301d ago )

"Why should 360 gamers have to pay when it's free on PC?"

Cuz what M$ says goes for them. They even pay for online multiplayer & web browsing. Also cloud saving is free on steam with extra free content & mods xbox owners would want.
http://www.youtube.com/watc...
http://www.youtube.com/watc...

Unless you like the 3 major franchises (halo, gears & forza.. Fable 3 is on steam..) & cod. Buying xbox is not justifiable to me. imo.

samson-14301d ago

Regardless some would still rather play on xbox live. Say what you want but xbox live is a great service and it shows because its members are growing. It seems price isn't an issue and most people prefer gaming on a console rather than a PC.

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney4301d ago (Edited 4301d ago )

"most people prefer gaming on a console rather than a PC."

most people who don't know that they are getting ripped off & who are not tech savvy prefer gaming on a console rather than a PC. - fixed

"Regardless some would still rather play on xbox live."

If you like more than games sure..
But when it comes to gaming service steam is better. Steam workshop gave me 65,000+ portal 2 puzzles & 85,000+ skyrim mods + more games are being supported.

I don't care for the non game related crap MS wants to show at E3's I like games. Seems I can focus more of that on a pc without losing youtube for free!. These days consoles want to be pc's so much. now wii wants to be a tablet.

Consoles are so main stream that they need to be everything for everybody. My Pc is what I want it to be.

Hazmat134301d ago

i might get fanboy rage but is valve gonna put Left 4 Dead on the PS3?

samson-14301d ago

maybe some day they will. I'm hoping that they do. Its an awesome game.

deletingthis346753344301d ago

The game runs on any netbook thrown in the garbage, just like any Valve game rehashing the Source engine again and again and again. I don't see why you can't play it on PC.

ATi_Elite4301d ago (Edited 4301d ago )

Because Microsoft wants MONEY!

Microsoft would charge X360 Gamers $1 every time they opened up the X360 to change disc if they could justify it!!

If there is Money to be made Microsoft will nickel and Dime you to get it.

*....and to all the people up above arguing over the price of a Gaming PC vs. Console..... JUST STOP IT!! A PC does more than JUST play games therefore it SHOULD cost more than a console*

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18811h ago(Edited 58m ago)

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

jwillj2k446m ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex10m ago(Edited 8m ago)

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead1d 14h ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel1d 12h ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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Microsoft once tried to nab LittleBigPlanet from Sony after a few drinks

It turns out that many moons ago, Microsoft once had its eye on the Sony published LittleBigPlanet series.

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XiNatsuDragnel2d ago

Microsoft had a good idea but fumbled it again.

Cacabunga1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

Project Spark idea was decent but they quickly gave up ..
LBP was wonderful

ApocalypseShadow1d 20h ago

Microsoft in a nutshell. Always tried to poach Sony employees, games, 3rd party games and devices like the depth camera that was turned into Kinect but was running on PS2 before Xbox 360. Wouldn't be surprised they wanted LBP. Just like they worked behind the scenes pushing the MLB to bring Sony's baseball game to Xbox instead of making their own.
https://www.playstationlife...

They didn't spend years trying to develop their own baseball game. They wanted Sony's game.

They're scum.

Zachmo1821d ago

Microsoft didn't force MLB on Xbox. MLB gave Sony 2 options either go multiplat or risk losing the license.

Rynxie15h ago

And why do you think MLB said that? I believe Ms approached MLB.

ApocalypseShadow14h ago(Edited 14h ago)

Totally ridiculous comment.

The only exclusivity Sony had was to their own creation of The Show. Microsoft could have paid the MLB for the license just like Sony did and made their own baseball game.

Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox. They're worth 3 TRILLION dollars. You think that's not enough money to make their own baseball game? Don't be delusional.

Microsoft spun it like they always do and told the media that they had to trust Sony with their hardware. After they put Sony in that position of not having a choice. Either go multiplatform or stop making one of their successful games. That's a no win scenario.

And what did Microsoft do? They didn't try to sell the game to the Xbox community. They put it on game pass to hurt Sony. Pushing the idea of why buy games that are $70 when you can play them in their cheap service for $10. It was a dirty tactic.

You fell for the Kool aid drink Microsoft served you instead of spitting it out. Hope it tasted good because you were fooled by Phil and the gang.

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Hereandthere5h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

Bond revealed that MLB The Show “always came up” in conversations between Microsoft and the Major League Baseball organization. “We always said, ‘We love this game. It would be a huge opportunity to bring it to Xbox.'” she recalled. However, when Microsoft’s efforts materialized, it put the company in an awkward situation where it had to send in pre-release consoles to a rival company.

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Notellin11h ago

"Microsoft instead, groomed MLB for years in trying to poach Sony's game and bring it to Xbox."

Take a nap, conspiracies are rotting your brain.

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Hereandthere5h ago

Xbox executive Sara Bond has told Axios that Microsoft spent a number of years trying to get MLB The Show onto Xbox consoles. And when it finally succeeded in breaking off PlayStation’s long-held exclusivity, the company had to “trust” Sony with pre-release Xbox Series X/S consoles.

Hereandthere5h ago

They were too cheap/inept/lazy to develop their own mlb game, so they port begged for years and bribed the mlb to make the show multiplatform. Like i said many times, xbox brought nothing to the table their 24 years, ZERO.

OtterX1d 3h ago

"However, Healey said Media Molecule wouldn't have felt right doing that, adding it would have been "morally corrupt"."

Major kudos to Media Molecule for being an upright studio with principles.

RNTody1d 3h ago (Edited 1d 3h ago )

Great, more stories like this please. Show the last of the zombies holding the line what we've been saying for years: Microsoft is anti competition, anti industry and has no interest in making games at all.

But hey, at least there's an Xbox Games Showcase to look forward to, right?

Inverno1d 2h ago

Well considering SONY just killed the series, LBP would've been dead by now either way. Though MM probably wouldn't exist by now either, so I'm glad they stayed with SONY, hopefully they don't get shut down any time soon or ever honestly.

Inverno1d ago

They shut down the servers, that's millions of user created levels gone. That and dead are pretty much the same, it's also been years since 3 and they cancelled HUB soooo.

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fsfsxii11h ago

They shutdown the servers because no one was playing, no one in the community cared about the user created levels so why keep them up? Wtf you guys would never succeed in running a business.

Inverno9h ago

Yea dood no one was playing so they shut off the servers. Cause people with enough common sense can't just Google why they were actually shut of, right?

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