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Boy unwittingly ran up £1,150 bill by racking up 'Microsoft Points'

A 12-year-old boy accidentally ran up a £1,500 bill while playing Xbox Live - leaving his cash-strapped dad with no choice but to pick up the tab.

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CustardTrout4305d ago

They do require card details though, maybe you should be careful who you give them to, you silly goose.

Nitrowolf24305d ago

""An apology would be nice but I'm more interested in having this problem stopped so that we as parents can stop our kids from making payments on our cards."

OMG is he that dumb? He gave the kid his card, might as well have just given it to some random person. What did he expect; he's 12 and irresponsible, but judging from this so is the dad.

TheFirstClassic4305d ago

I also kind of wonder if the kid really thought those games were free, or if he's lying to get out of trouble. What kind of 12 year old doesn't know that games cost money?

guitarded774305d ago (Edited 4305d ago )

Parents should consider getting their kids one of those disposable charge cards where they pay cash to charge the card, and that's the limit. That way they can limit their spending and teach them some fiscal responsibility. Once the money is gone, it's gone... or the kid can work around the home to earn some money to charge the card. It's a cheaper lesson for the parent, and teaches the kid some work ethic and responsibility. When I was a kid, I mowed lawns all spring and summer to pay for my NES games.

The pic for the story is funny... the dad's like "I love my son" and the kid's like "I got away with it". If it was me, it'd be a stop action photo of the kid running like all hell and me chasing him through the yard with the car.

Campy da Camper4305d ago (Edited 4305d ago )

My daughter is 14 and I have a smartphone with a 2Gb data cap for her. We have sat down and gone over how to monitor data usage as to avoid going over the cap. She understands, has never gone over and is very responsible with her phone, IE, never gets caught in class with it on, etc.

This is just bad parenting. 12 year olds are smart. You just need to be involved with them and explain life to them. Sure, once in a while they do bone head things but that is being a kid.

Also, the example he is setting by blaming MS is showing his son that if you mess up, blame someone else. This guy gets the "loser father of the year" award.

blue7_74305d ago

I know I always laugh at this kind of stories when the kid acts all innocent like he didn't know. Who is he kidding just because his dad is stupid doesn't mean everyone else is. He is an irresponsible kid I'm pretty sure he knew what he was doing he just didn't care because he doesn't understand.

Gaming1014304d ago

You mean to tell me for 6 months this kid racked up almost 1500 bucks Canadian? Is that even possible? Does Call of Duty even have 100 British Pounds worth of stuff you can buy? You need to buy the points, and it says how much the points cost in pounds since this is in the UK, so I don't buy it that they kid thought they were free for points for killing bad guys.
Also, anyone who doesn't check their credit card statement in six months could have been a victim of any other kind of fraud and would have also been oblivious, so this is just stupidity, and I'm having a hard time believing the father just pays the bill on the card when it's several hundred pounds over what it probably should have been given a typical month's worth of transactions, I mean wake up.

tee_bag2424304d ago

I guess the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
The kid is as stupid as the dad for being so wreckless.

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ChrisW4305d ago

This story would be quite useful for parents who are stupid enough to not educate their children about online transactions... However, I believe this has the look and smell of a fake article.

JackBNimble4305d ago (Edited 4305d ago )

Parents should be educating themselves about how online transactions work when it comes to consoles. It's called parental control , but the problem is that alot of parents have no clue about any of this.

I am a parent, and my kids can't buy anything online with out either myself or my wife to do it for them.

Wizziokid4305d ago

I blame the father for being stupid enough to let his son have his credit card details in the first place.

HammadTheBeast4305d ago

And for letting him play Call of Duty, and the kid for not realizing that the games werent free, what a bullsh*t excuse. And

Laxman4304d ago

The article says the boy spent £100 in one day buying new weapons in Call of Duty.

Not only is that not possible to do, but there's not even anything in the game that suggests in the slightest way that that is how you do it.

jeeves864304d ago

@ Laxman

The kid was probably buying points and gifting them to his online friends.

As ignorant as the father is, the boy could have told his dad that the mythical game troll took the money and he had to play to get it back.

Snookies124305d ago

Yeah the father is to blame here... It's not Microsoft's fault that he let his kid have the card info. Though, there's no easy way that I know of for deleting a card off of Xbox when you use one for something on the Marketplace. If the kid asked permission for one thing, after that he could get as much as he wanted without permission since it's saved like that.

Campy da Camper4305d ago

You cannot delete it. You have to call xbox support and have them remove it. Pain in the arse.

Waddy1014305d ago

You don't need to do that anymore, you can remove your card through xbox.com now.

PwnerifficOne4305d ago

Xbox.com > Account details > Delete Card info. That easy.

Anon19744305d ago (Edited 4305d ago )

I'm not excusing the father for not being informed but I kinda agree with the article though. The father didn't give his son his card info, he put it on the Xbox to automatically pay for the online XBL fees. He pointed out that every other site out there that stores credit card information usually requires a password or pin before charges can go through. I think that's a fantastic idea, and this is a good article to help remind parents of what can happen online if they aren't up to date with how these systems work. Of course we're all gamers - we know these things but if you aren't a gamer, wouldn't you assume there'd be some sort of password or safeguard before credit card purchases went through?

I haven't looked this up myself on my Xbox, but is there a parental setting somewhere that could potentially block these type of accidents?

Parasyte4305d ago

I know you can set restrictions and such and even label an account as a "Child Account," but I'm not quite sure what that allows you to do.

theWB274305d ago

Not an excuse, if he set it up then he should have checked the settings to make sure everything was right. Especially if he's cash strapped he should have double checked. Like other people have said, he could have bought a cash card to limit the spending. Too many avenues to stay on top of things. If he got his story out there, he sure as hell should have kept his money tight.

Slapshot824305d ago

I agree that the father -- to some degree -- might not have realized that the card could be used for DLC/online purchases. The dude could have had a terrible day at work and blew through it without reading the fine details.

But, there's no way that I believe that the kid is innocent. I say this next part out of all seriousness and not a slam on the child, as my wife is a special education teacher: that is, unless the boy has a learning disability, or other reason for not being able to read the plain English that states you're about to make a purchase. I'm just not buying his innocence. I think he knows exactly what he did and his father is taking this route in the hopes that someone will pay for his child's mistake.

This is a common theme in the world today: blame someone else for your own mistakes. It's happening over and again, and had I been the one to write this story, that's exactly the approach I'd have taken.

Mutant-Spud4305d ago

You can block XBL access on your kid's profile but there's no way of blocking them from making transactions if XBL access is enabled.
The idea that a 12 year old didn't know what he was doing isn't credible, when my daughter was about six she got onto the computer when my wife fell asleep on the couch and subscribed to Club Penguin using her mum's credit card, she also ordered about $500 worth of makeup on e-bay one time but we got out of that one.

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green4305d ago

What an ignorant parent. Forget the charges, he just admitted to allowing his 12years old son to play Call of Duty. Games which clearly are M.

-Mika-4305d ago

You and the people commenting on the story at eurogamer need to stop acting like you haven't played an m rated game when you were a child or a teen.

Ravenor4305d ago

True say.

MK didn't make me a crazy person, I just have a fear that all pits have spikes at the bottom.

Anywho, the CoD playing is the least of the kid and fathers problems.

Elderly_Cynic4305d ago

I can honestly say I never did. The ESRB didn't exist when I was a kid, so there weren't any ratings.

Pozzle4304d ago

I did. I was also monitored by my parents so that they knew exactly what type of games I was playing and whether or not I could handle them. It's just irresponsible to let an underage kid play an M or R rated game without at least checking to see what the game is about or whether the kid can handle the themes that are present. Every child reacts differently to adult themes, and just because one kid is ok with things like violence and gore, doesn't always mean another kid will be ok with it.

mysterym4305d ago

Hands up guv i watched Robocop when i was 12 too.

All kids watch films and play games over there age boundary.

mysterym4305d ago

Plus my 14 year old lad will run rings around you in gears 3 multiplayer :P

It's down to the child, my children are intelligent (the eldest has just finished school, is expecting top grades in every subject and wants to be a doctor) and have brought them up to know the values of right and wrong and i've taught them that games are just that - games.

Nevers4305d ago

If by "this" you meant "parenting" then yes... parenting these days is a joke.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv721d 1h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle12h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18819h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio9h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning774h ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga11h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218310h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga9h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan5h ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

romulus234h ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv724h ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

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purple10114h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos14h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-3h ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac13h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad13h ago(Edited 13h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10112h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos12h ago(Edited 12h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic10h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead4h ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 21h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 19h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 16h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 9h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 11h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 7h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 19h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d 5h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows901d 4h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

blacktiger1h ago

You own nothing snd be happy. I'm sure you heard that

Profchaos1d 21h ago (Edited 1d 21h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 21h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 20h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 17h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 20h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 19h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10113d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai13d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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