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Greenberg calls PlayStation Move software into question

Microsoft product director Aaron Greenberg has questioned the launch software line-up for PlayStation Move - claiming that most games for the device are merely modified "controller-based" titles.

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MGRogue20174981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

Well done, Good sir! Bubbles for you!! :D

I like to move it, move it as well :P

nveenio4981d ago

Agreed. Move is a blast.

Redrum0594981d ago

Kinect is set to release on Nov4. That's pretty stupid seeing it well get overshadowed by the much anticipated launch of GT5 this Nov2.

zootang4981d ago

I thought Microsoft don't stoop to this level?

/s

hay4981d ago

That's some really desperate spin right there.
There's just so many reasons he's wrong I'm not even gonna list them...

mikeslemonade4981d ago

Poor Microsoft and their knit-picking. If I was a MS fanboy I would have trouble defending the 360 ahahahaha.

darthv724981d ago

The move is an alternate control scheme and not a required one. That will change at some point as I am sure sony will want to have some dedicated Move ONLY titles. By that, you will not be able to play them any other way.

Sony knows they cant all of a sudden abandon the DS3 control because that is the main control focus for the system. Unlike Nintendo who's wiimote is used for EVERY title made for the wii. Maybe not fully supported but there are wiimote traces built in to each game.

Kinect on the other hand, that one will have Kinect ONLY titles. Maybe there will come a time where they will have combo games using the kinect and controller but for now....its all about the gesture based games.

I feel that both move and kinect will play an even BIGGER role in their next platforms. Possibly being the focal point to the controls right out of the box. It also wouldnt surprise me if Sony were to integrate move in things other than games. Maybe even have it as the remote of the future for their Bravia sets.

This is just the beginning.

Shadow Flare4981d ago

Aaron Greenberg, the pot calling the kettle black

What games does kinect have to offer at launch? Shovelware and nothin for the core gamer

sikbeta4981d ago

*sigh* .... *says the guy that try to sell kinectimals*

rdgneoz34981d ago

@darthv72 if they ever do games using both Kinect & a controller, it will defeat the whole idea of Kinect, "You are the controller". Then its basically the same as Move and Wii just about, which they're trying to differentiate themselves from.

CyberCam4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

I see your point. IMO, the additional controller scheme approach is the best implementation of motion controller because it eases players into the technology (especially in mid console cycle) and prepares them for the next-gen of motion controls.

There's nothing like drastically forcing people to into a new technology, you have a 50/50 chance of success (Bluray & HD DVD). Nintendo was the exception because it was new tech & such a novelty that everyone bought one, just to try it out. However, most hardcore gamers quickly realized that wasn't that great for their brand of games (in most cases).

Choice is always a good thing for the consumer!

Imperator4981d ago

So instead of giving you OPTIONS, MS would rather just force it on you? LOL, yea I'll stick with Sony's approach.

Ju4980d ago

@darthv72 What are you talking about? Sports Champion is Move only and does not work with a controller.

Others give you options, but Move only games are already here. Greenberg is a douche. Blubbing some crap to get recognized.

There will be as many "Move Only" games as Kinect only games (if not more) PLUS (!) the ones giving you options for either move or the controller.

darthv724980d ago

to those who are able to understand what i am saying. People so quick to hit the disagree are obviously seeing what they want instead of what is being said.

Move is a great option for sony and for it to really succeed they need to create the necessity for it. Just making it an option isnt enough. They really need to capitalize on what it could do.

Incentives in games that no DS3 could achieve. What greenburg is saying about the current titles on the market is somewhat true. They are existing games being patched for move as an alternate control type. Sports champions..yes there is 1 game that requires the move but then again it COMES with the move bundle.

I am really looking forward to what sony can do beyond an alternate control for LBP or KZ2. I am not downing move at all. Please understand that I (like many of you) would like to see the realization of what sony has in mind come to fruition instead of seeing it turn into another wii clone.

Quality of games are what sets it apart from the wii but unless sony comes out with some sort of quality control I fear titles COULD end up with tacked on motion support like what has happened with wii.

PSFan1004980d ago

Pew pewwww. Greenberg needs to look at kinects software first, because waving your hands in the air and stopping red balls (with lag) is the game EVERYONE wants!

Anarki4980d ago

So none of the games they designed for Kinect where ever done with eyetoy?

headwing454980d ago

What you're saying is that Sony needs to make games that can't be done with a controller, and that MR. Grennburg is right because all there kinect games cannot be done with a controller, but I don't think that makes Kinect 'better,' I think if anything, it cripples them. Sony has a choice to patch games that can use both DS3 and MOVE (RE5, Heavy Rain) or make totally new games that can't be done without a controller (Tumble, Start the party, Sorcery.) The move controller really gives sony the opportunity to pretty much create any game they want, were as to microsoft, I don't think there able to achieve that just yet.

shadow27974980d ago

Which is precisely why I prefer Move to Kinect. I want to be able to play games I like in a brand new way (a la Killzone 3 or Heavy Rain). That's the brilliance of it.

Playing "modified" controller games beats the hell out of talking to little boys and jumping around all over the place.

moparful994980d ago

@darthv72 One need only looke at titles like echochrome ii to see just how much of a brilliant idea that move is. In echochrome 2 the wand doubles as a sort of flashlight and the objective is to change the perspective of the light to alter shadows. This is simply brilliant and something that just cant be done using traditional controllers. Sony has given consumers "CHOICE" just like they have always done. With move you arent forced to use move with every game. I've already 100% completed re5 and now that move is here I have incentive to go back and play a game that I stopped playing nearly a year ago.. Thats powerful marketing no matter how you spin it. Ohh and intial reports are that retailers cannot keep up with the demand of move far surpassing sony's own expectations of sales.. This thing is a hit..

outrageous4980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

If you care about those bubbles of yours you should refrain from posting any posts that agree with M$ position...even on a M$ based thread.

On Topic...Greenberg is right of course...it's common sense. The games have to be designed from the ground up to work with whatever controller was envisioned. Sony doesn't care, just patch it in there and tell them it's hardcore even if it doesn't work...like shoving your Sony Move towards the TV to pick up a weapon while your being shot at in KZ or add aiming assist to make up for the impossible to steady aiming reticule...stuff like that.

Kinect games will be unique because they will be built to use the unique capabilities built in to Kinect. The next wave of Kinect games will impress and be custom to the Kinect experience.

likedamaster4980d ago

This one always makes me laugh... http://www.youtube.com/watc...

But the author of this article is trolling. Well, anything for hits I guess.

WLPowell4980d ago

the games at launch for kinect were eyetoy games, and remember what happened last time sony made a game this gen that was only playable with motion control? (You know, didn't give you a choice?) The game was called "Lair" and the reviewers just refused to give the game a fair shake, just because of that approach. Sony patched the game so it's now playable by normal means, but oh no, the game is still crap in their eyes (even though it was never THAT bad to begin with, now since the patch the game is a solid 8.)

Now since M$ is doing the same thing, with even less impressive software than even Lair, I'm sure we will see plenty of reviews being completely impartial and giving Kinect's crap the same treatment./s

avengers19784980d ago

And we care what this person thinks about it why?
Since the Move is alot more successful then everyone thought it would be MS is doing some serious damage control.
And Kinect is basically trying to do the same thing that move is doing just in a different manor.

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hakis864981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

Or anything from Greenberg, really.

Edit: Bubble for Kain81 ;D

fr0sty4981d ago

he's basically admitting that kinect isn't versatile enough to be able to be ported to existing games. he's trying to make one of move's strengths look like a weakness. hilarious.

MariaHelFutura4981d ago

MariaHelFutura calls Greenbergs sanity into question.

1:1 is for real and Kinect has ALOT to prove.

Godmars2904980d ago

Just because its likely going to need a few months after launch to prove itself? Deliver on promises made two years ago?

Do in fact what Move and the PSeye are already doing?

Theoneneo814981d ago

Dear Greenburg F*ck you. oh and if you wanna question software how about this http://www.gametrailers.com...

hmouzy4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

i just saw that video,n boys if u want play this with somebody u have to stay a way about 1m, or BAM...how this gonna work here in uk?most living rooms r 4x3m. ex;1 avarage person with both arms up in air, will b about 1m,75cm length. now make the maths, remember the living room got units sofas etc.

hmouzy4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

avarage living room size; 4x5m.well my is a 3 bedroom house, n got that size.2 bedroom may b r smaller or same size.

Parapraxis4981d ago

Got the Move yesterday (actually the bundle & and extra controller) and I've had a blast with it.
Currently playing RE5 and it's very accurate.
Move is FAR more accurate than the wiimote.
Calibration in Sports Champions takes a matter or 5 seconds and makes the game react precisely to every minute movement.
Very pleased with move, and all 4 of us who played it until 2:30 in the morning are as well.
Software is good, not great, but with the games set to be released and the few that are getting patched, Move already has a solid lineup. The same CANNOT be said for Kinect, which has shown to be very poor at what it claims to do. There's a reason why both Sony and Nintendo passed up on the Kinect tech years ago...it doesn't work well enough.

nveenio4981d ago

I picked it up yesterday as well. I've been VERY impressed. It took a little time to get my camera set up right (I have little space to work with) so that my son and I can both be easily visible, but now that it's rolling, it's really been amazing. Sports Champions is great because the different difficulty levels impact how 1:1 or gesture based the controller is. It's been a ton of fun. Unlike many of the reviews, I like ALL of the titles on SC. I even find myself jumping to spike in Beach Volleyball. And Bocce Ball is a good team-based game. The accuracy of Table Tennis is astounding

Move has my approval. Greenburg is yet to earn it.

Focker-4204981d ago

@Parapraxis

LMAO, you just copy & pasted ur exact same comment from the CVG comments.

fooltheman4981d ago

@inveni0

I jump too lol...haha

dirtydbz4981d ago

guilty as charged I am a jumper also I will have bare spots on the celing soon enough as I am 6'3" and I won't be playing with anyone else because well I am just to darn longand my living room is too dam small

LF914981d ago

ive got to agree, move is a blast to play. I got my move bundle on friday, played the sports champion demo then bought the full game today. and i love it, especially gladiators thats great fun. me and my bro have played it none stop, i hope they add online to it tho. table tennis tournaments online would be mega.

moparful994980d ago

LMAO I jump in volleyball and gladiator duel.. My arms, butt, thighs, calves forearms, chest, shoulders and abs havent stopped aching since I bought my move.. Its a workout! lol but it's soooo much fun.. Thank you sony..

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MAG_SVER4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

How about saying that most of what Kinect can do has already been done with PS EYE, so it is not revolutionary. What MS did to this generation is a Technology: Apocalypse Or Eden.

Basically what they did was try & destroy PS EYE/Sony stating that it is not needed in gaming & now make it their own by saying it is now the FUTURE Of GAMING (hell no) with this function/feature & so on.

Apocalypse Or Eden- destroying something & trying to make it more Advance for Future purpose which KINECT is NOT, it's not even WORKING properly.

How about you cover that TOPIC Aarongant Greenberg

Anton Chigurh4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

He must be h!gh on some serious drug$

shark974980d ago

don't make it personal .. and people can't choose how their faces looks right?

RankFTW4980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

I had a choice of three faces when I was born, didn't you?

morganfell4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

Considering the smoke and mirrors of the fake Kinect stage presentations Greenburg couldn't have made a bigger ass of himself with these remarks. Doesn't he remember being at E3? GC?

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

And everyone's favorite:

http://www.youtube.com/watc...

mantisimo4981d ago

but sadly the Kinect system will neither work in smoke or with mirrors.

Or in bright light, if you happen to need to sit down or are black, or in a skirt/baggy trousers.

HeroXIV4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

Agree Morg, agree mantisimo.

boodybandit4980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

All the links you provided are flat out embarrassing. MS has no shame at all and Greenburg proves that every time he opens his mouth.

headwing454980d ago

Videos were painful to watch :/

I can't believe Microsoft is going to sell that to people... for more then the move

insomnium4980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

Yeah Mike it's embarrassing. The thing that pains me even more is that I know Kinect will sell atleast twice as much as Move will. MS will throw immense amounts of money on marketing and show falsified adverts for Kinect where the lag is non existant and there are no misinterpretations made by the camera at all.

Kinect will sell atleast 4-5 million in USA but here in europe they can't lie to people without being sued to hell so here Kinect won't sell that much I would think. Could be wrong though but I hope I'm not. We don't even need to talk about Japan (I hope).

Erotic Sheep4980d ago

Wow... that third video had one UGLY girl. Was that even a girl?

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pixelsword4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

Greenburg's really making it hard for me to pull my punches about kinect until I get to try it. If you're going off of what's out at launch, even if all of kinect's software is custom-made, it's still going to be mostly rail-shooters and/or simplistic controls from what we know about most of the games shown for kinect.

user39158004981d ago

I could not wait for move to come out, but now that I know what this is, I most said that its nothing more than the wii numbchucks plus. I wont be buying this at all, I stick to my PS3 controllers, but who knows, maybe they have something worth trying for it, but I dont want no more innacurate stuff like the wii controllers, I had enough of that.

dirtydbz4981d ago

it is acurate and you have to move for it to workif you don't move enough it doesn't work( unlike wii)

DigitalRaptor4981d ago

Well said. Although I think the Move is worth getting even at this early stage.

moparful994980d ago

Dude move blows the wii out of the water. Graphics are crisp and clean, sound is great, controls are precise and intuitive. Best of all its true 1:1 movement.. Every movement you make is represented in the game unlike the wii's gesture based pre canned animations.. Trust me move is worth every penny..

CyberCam4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

The biggest deciding factor is how well it's implemented into Action/FPS/RPS/RTS games.

For FPS games (the most popular genre presently) they need to make sure they allow the option for a stationary reticle (in the middle of the screen) and only move the camera, like shooter fans are use too. I've seen quite a few MAG/Socom4/Killzone 3 forum posts on the topic... I think that will make or break the acceptance of Move for the shooter fan.

ndibu4981d ago

Sports Champion 75
Tumble 69
Start The Party 55
Racquet Sports 54
Kung Fu Rider 36
Eye Pet Move edition* 69
Ok so lets tally it up shall we?
59.7 %. Except for Sports Champion, nothing on Move right now is worth picking up.

*breaking the rule a bit here since there's a version that can be played without Move. The score would have been 57% without it in we'll let it in.
By the way, this is how i got the percentages because I know we didn't all take maths in school.
(75 + 69 + 55 + 54 + 36 + 69)/600. 600 because all their scores are out of a hundred each.
So in all honesty here, if you take off your SONY shades, you'll see that Aaron is saying it like it is.

Ju4980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

Yeah, we are looking forward to the 100% Kinect only titles. They sure will show us. /s

Trroy4980d ago

But... all the games you mentioned weren't the ones Greenburg was referring to. He was knocking the Move for games that use the Move as an alternate controller, like MAG, SOCOM 4, Killzone 3, LBP2, Heavy Rain, etc.

Lets compare the review scores of those games to the Kinect-exclusive titles he wants to compare them to, when Kinect comes out, shall we?

weazel4980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

..uh-huh ndibu. M'kay...I see what you're getting at, with your supercilious tone.
Why don't you 'n Aaron (it's cool that you're both on first name terms), magic up some statistics in two months, eh? Sports Champions, Eye-Pet, and Tumble have reasonably good scores, and its gonna be interesting to see how the Kinect release day line up pans out. So, see you in two months, where we can compare like for like. Wheeeeeee!
Fingers crossed, eh little fella!

Jonoc334980d ago

ra ra ra reviews are everything.
how about play the games yourself and then talk?

ryuzu4980d ago

Hehe.

Wii Sports - 75%
Elebits - 75%
Red Steel - 65%

See how this works?

As one more point of note - Metacritic doesn't have all the scores in their averages, and in the case of Tumble, it is rather harshly rated as 3.5/10 by IGN which is clearly a symptom of a bad review/reviewer in that case and drags the average down.

r.

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Imperator4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

Greenburg really get's on my nerves.

JokesOnYou4980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

Speaking to GamesMaster's Rory Smith for CVG at Tokyo Games Show, Greenberg said that MS's launch software for Kinect was in stark contrast to Move's - as it had been built specifically for the device.

"I think that most of the experiences designed for Kinect were designed from the ground up," he said. "The difference is, it seems, a lot of the games made for Move are really controller-based games that [developers have] added the Move functionality to.

"Our approach has been different, because we feel that a controller is the best way to play games like Halo or Call of Duty. So we'd rather not have you have to choose between using a controller or motion controller; we'd rather design experiences that are uniquely made for Kinect.

-hmmm, despite the headline everything he said seems pretty accurate to me, the only thing to really disagree about is that move may also have some games built from the ground up only for move also, but the point is move is also more controller oriented with move support added, which btw theres nothing wrong with that its just a different focus vs kinect, so he does make a great point when he alludes to this difference with "Our approach has been different" etc...aaahhh but I guess when sony comments about micro its taken as gospel on n4g, any comment about sony from micro no matter how accurate it is, is a NO, NO, lmfao...n4g has become a sony trolled cesspool.

-I actually wish micro would copy sonys strategy with motion controls= lean more to utilizing kinect+standard controls for more hardcore experiences, I think this combination would show off kinects versatility and that would be far more interesting to me than all this casual BS I've seen so far from both companys.

JOY

strickers4980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

I like the praising MS for doing Kinect only stuff.I read early on that devs HAVE to code ground up for Kinect and that putting it in half way through development or as a patch is not possible.I think MS would love have this level of software support but they can only pay so many devs at once.The fact is that Kinect would not work on games like shooters,it's too slow and unresponsive with no buttons to fire.
MS have a problem that when they release Kinect it will face direct comparison with Move.They need Kinect exclusives to avoid a head to head.Apart from dancing games I see no way Kinect could come out on top.

RBLAZE19884980d ago (Edited 4980d ago )

This guy just talked himself in a circle he said move software is just a controller based games with motion controls tacked on then he said later kinect will have games that use both a controller and kinect...What a douche. Hey greenberg maybe sony doesn't wanna alienate their fans so they give them the choice of controls.

Also he said the kinect will have experiences built from the ground up for kinect...So I guess all kinect games are confirmed to be mini games or on rails...or both

tinybigman4980d ago

about all the on-rail shovelware kinect has coming. just shut up aaron and tell your company to get with the program and give me games i want instead of this kinect crap.

bustamove4980d ago

Brb, loling hard at Greenburg now.

Christopher4980d ago

As opposed to Microsoft's lineup of games, which are also controller-alternatives to existing games?

jellybalboa4980d ago

yep thats microsofts greenburger, extra onions

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bjornbear4980d ago

this guy spends half his PR Mana talking about the competiton

the other half cheering over NPD reports.

fantastic.

frostypants4980d ago

Greenberg knows about as much about gaming as my grandmother knows about grunge rock. How did this turd get his job?

Leio4980d ago

Cant believe people can get pay for being stupid :/

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vhero4981d ago

Exactly... Only fanboys need to actually comment on this article gamers stay away!

TOO PAWNED4981d ago

i agree that software is not that strong. Sports champions being only solid game so far. Please don't mention Shoot, Eye Pet, start the party and other crappy queer games. Where is that flashlight horror game?!
PSN:Globox_82 add me

fooltheman4981d ago

Eyepet is great... (it's not a gay game)
don't judge the game on it's cover...

PirateThom4980d ago

Does Heavy Rain work with Move yet?

It may, potentially, be the best game if it does.

Beat Sketcher is alright if you like MS Paint.

moparful994980d ago

piratethom heavy rains move patch comes out on wednesday the 22nd..

Lovable4981d ago

Read the article. Flaimbait title.

Oldsnake0074981d ago

seriously this site pisses me off with it's flamebait titles.

Zir04981d ago

Move needs games specifically designed for it or it will just be considered an extra like having a steering wheel controller for a racing game.

Seijoru4981d ago

And it does have games that will do that like Sorcery.

TOO PAWNED4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

Sorcery, Heroes on the move are for next year . Greeberg is talking about NOW. Learn to read. Ignorant people

skip2mylou4981d ago

what games does kinect have coming out NOW, besides trash exercise crap

Sheikh Yerbouti4981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

OK TOO...Tumble and Echochrome. Happies?

TOO PAWNED4981d ago

Kinect is another subject about which i could not care less. I am exclusive PS3 owner, dont care about WIi or Kinect. thats for fanboys.
I just said that i agree about Move launch line up. Tumble, Echochrome really? Are those killer app games for move?
Kinect will suk, we all know that, but this is about move not kinect. Stop pushing kinect down my troat.

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ALFAxD_CENTAURO4981d ago

Ignoring the Facts that PS Move have exclusive designed games.

King_many_layers4981d ago

games which allow you to freely control where your character (or object) can move

Carl14124981d ago

Has he seen the Kinect line up recently?

BeAGamer4981d ago

no, his head is too far up his a$$ to even see the light of day

mrv3214981d ago

Which is unfortunate because it's not in optimal light conditions for Natal to work... Optimal light being somewhere between the light of a White star or the centre of a Nuclear explosions.

Delicious Malicious4981d ago

Yah he has and there awesome. MS answered the Hardcore gamers with Project Draco, Steel Battalion:Heavy Armor, Rise of Nightmares, Codename D, Child of Eden, Haunt, New Wrestling game in collaboration with Spike, Dr Kawashima's Body and Brain Exercises, Forza Kinect, MGS Rising with kinect,Adrenalin Misfits,Game Party in Motion, Star Wars Kinect. Thats just the game we know about MS likes to be secretive unlike Sony.

Delicious Malicious4981d ago

Thanks for proving me right everyone who put disagree. Sony Fanboys are nothing more and alot less than single minded Slags . Oh well This site runs rampant with you, like a plague. Go watch all Kevin Butlers commercials and make yourselves feel better for buying a move. Cry in your pillows, for getting raped by Kevin. HAHA Slags!

Focker-4204981d ago (Edited 4981d ago )

Are any of those good?? Have you seen any gameplay??

edit: Ummm since when is MGS:R using Kinect?? That was just a rumor and never confirmed.

Delicious Malicious4981d ago

I just gave the list of games, Carl1412 said,"Has he seen the Kinect line up recently?". Has he seen any of these games played? Well f*** no but he still talks trash. Ive made my case. The Defense Rests Your Honor!!!!

DigitalRaptor4981d ago

Sadly, 99% of those games will be downloadable arcade games. So nothing more than on-rails shooters. And only their titles and very basic description has been released. No images, videos gameplay, anything.

Rising is not coming to Kinect. Microsoft just likes promoting the fact that MGS is now also on the X360.

The rest is just you grasping at straws. The Forza Kinect demo was made so that MS had something to show at E3 for the hardcore. Yet, the demo didn't work with acceleration or braking. A racing game (touted as Simulation Racing) without those features is gonna work how exactly?

Star Wars Kinect will be a mediocre on-rails game and that trailer was smoke & mirrors BS, yet again to make MS look like they have anything good to show for Kinect.

You need to face facts dude, that Kinect is nothing more than a waste of everybody's time. Games made for Kinect are only a fraction of the games they could be (particularly in the gameplay department) because of the limitations of controller-free gaming.

Adva4981d ago

So you mention 2011 games, but forget about MOVE 2011 games? Are you in your senses? Take off those fanboy goggles.
Star Wars Kinect? The one where their pre-recorded video messed up?
Forza Kinect, lets check out the car rather than drive it, haha. Although it's not bad.
Lets not forget the video clips of those other games with no actual gameplay footage.

fuckoffodion4981d ago

The fanboy made a new account.

Bell Boy4981d ago

Can we have the links for MGS Rising with Kinect support....or did you just pull that from the fanboy bs handbook

RBLAZE19884980d ago

rising doesn't support kinect...as far as i know. if you think any of those core games will have full kinect support you're gonna be disappointed...i'd say like 25% of draco steel battalion etc will only be kinect the rest will be controller based. If they are full kinect games that don't need 360 controllers they won't be core games they'll be on-rails or mini games

ThatIrishGamer4980d ago

is exactly what we mean!! Mr. Greenberg has a cheek talking about Move games when all his own games involve EyeToy games from 2003. Hilarious. While Move people are playing SOCOM and KILLZONE3. . .Kinect people will be pretending to pet a virtual tiger! Hahahahahaha.

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Microsoft Is Finally Ending Its Focus On Big Budget Gaming Nonsense

Back when the Xbox 360 launched, Microsoft pushed the big budget game as a differentiator. Following all the recent layoffs, it’s clear this strategy has run its course.

Einhander19721h ago(Edited 1h ago)

The Microsoft shill take on the Microsoft causing the death of big budget gaming...

The whole driving force for growth in gaming both technologically, creatively and financially was all nonsense, and it was definitely not because Microsoft ran the industry into the ground with obviously bad decisions and creating an unprofitable business model that massively disrupted consumer spending habits. /s

Hofstaderman50m ago

Ah Forbes. One of the prominent MS mouthpieces....

Luc2035m ago

Microsoft is finally... ahhh I've never heard this one before!

Petebloodyonion34m ago

LOL, this article is a big pile of dog crap...
Spencer has been constantly telling ppl that NO they would not go the route of having games like TLOU, Uncharted, etc because Playstation exists and prefers to focus on a diverse portfolio.

How many years have we seen Xbox as no game and we don't want small games like ORI, Pentiment, Grounded, etc.?

That's the real tragedy and why lots of gamers are mad at MS right now
because they have been championing smaller titles and yet fired the ppl delivering exactly what they were proning about.

So no the only nonsense is that MS seems now to be going BACK to AAA popular titles..sorry, I meant refocusing effort on core established IP where broken GAAS might be rewarded versus praised and rewarded work.

Einhander19728m ago(Edited 4m ago)

https://media1.tenor.com/m/...

You read an article cheerleading the end of big budget games and all the other articles about problems and this is what you have to say? That's what you think "the real tragedy" is?

I thought that xbox fans might finally "get it", but no, it seems they don't even understand what is happening and what is at stake.

crazyCoconuts32m ago

Hurray! No more big gam.... wait... what??

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How can any Xbox studio trust Microsoft now?

For Xbox’s hugely expanded gaming division, anything that isn’t Call of Duty is now a failure, and that’s a problem

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lelo2play19h ago

Honestly, If I worked presently for Microsoft's gaming division, I would update my CV and look for work elsewhere...

Simon_the_sorcerer19h ago

I would do the same, because MS will most likely pull-off more stunts like this in the near future...

Chocoburger9h ago

"Now"?

How about "ever"?

They closed so many of their dev teams during the second half of the Xbox 360 era. Have we forgotten history so quickly?

Dummy fake journalists acting so surprised over these recent closures, when this is something that's been going on for well over a decade now with MS.

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Report Claims Xbox Is Planning More Cuts Following Studio Closures

"The sudden closure of several video-game studios at Microsoft Corp.’s Xbox division was the result of a widespread cost-cutting initiative that still isn’t finished.

This week, Xbox began offering voluntary severance agreements to producers, quality assurance testers and other staff at ZeniMax, which it purchased in 2020 for $7.5 billion, according to people familiar with the company’s plans. Others across the Xbox organization have been told that more cuts are on the way.

Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said.

Game Pass has not seen the massive growth that Xbox boss Phil Spencer may have been hoping for."

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just_looken15h ago

Sense it seems very few remember that human's were around before 2020 the next studio to close will be bethesda based no doubt on the history of.

Fallout 76
Elder scrolls online
elder scrolls blades mobile
fallout mobile
The vr versions of old games

Then you got starfield pissing out cash nothing to cover it.

I doubt tod's team or any sub team is making m$ cash they are no doubt on the chopping block for job cuts

If you can remember before 2020 even fallout 76 was made with over 4 studios.

purple1012h ago(Edited 2h ago)

pretty sure starfield coming to playstation 2024, nx gamer deep diving on the creation engine update in a recent blog, he seems to think, there is a lot of stuff developed to use on starfield for its Playstation release,

who will buy it though, ?? I think M$ has lost all good will now, after the Activision debacle, and now all these studios closing, people dont want to support them even if the game is half decent

Abear211h ago

Bethesda is the only studio to release anything noteworthy on Xbox. Take Bethesda out and they have nothing this Gen. Hifi Rush and Starfield are probably their two biggest hits.

-Foxtrot16h ago

"Speaking about the closures more broadly, Booty said that the company’s studios had been spread too thin — like “peanut butter on bread” — and that leaders across the division had felt understaffed. They decided to close these studios to free up resources elsewhere, he said"

So what you're saying is...you bought all these studios and you guys can't run them.

Jesus.

Inverno16h ago

Spread thin after firing over 2000 employees a few months prior. So basically they created the problem and their solution was to just fire more people. Absolute geniuses over at Xbox, of course can we even believe this to be the reason for the closures?

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Profchaos14h ago

Leaders can't run them hire more management create new roles don't shutter entire studios cause you can't figure out how to run them.

Unless the reality is this whole consolidation thing was really an excuse for IP harvesting

anast4h ago

He's lying. They are doing it for the shareholders.

Eonjay16h ago

Reports are suggesting that Game Pass will be getting a price hike soon and that Call of Duty may not be added to the day one offering. I honestly have a hard time believing this but it does beg the question why exactly did GP fail? I think the answer is that it just didn't get the growth that it anticipated. Jim was right but I wish he wasn't because at the end of the day, its gamers, devs and other front-line workers who have to absorb the blow for Spencer and team's miscalculations.

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NotoriousWhiz15h ago

And out of the ashes something even better than Xbox will be born.

Eonjay15h ago

Honestly as long as is not a situation where the industry has to contract in order focus wealth on a few people who are already trillionaires..

Barlos9h ago(Edited 9h ago)

It's already here and it was born before Xbox was even a thing. It's called PlayStation.

Tacoboto14h ago

I think 2022 killed the Series X.

2021 was a good year for Xbox though and maybe the best in a long long time, hardware and software and as a publisher. Halo Infinite launched to popularity, Forza Horizon 5 blew everyone away, Psychonauts 2 was so well received, Flight Simulator on console, Deathloop even on PS5 & PC.

But they followed that up with next to nothing. Then 2023 with Redfall, a disappointing Forza, Starfield, and 2024 leads with closures and layoffs. And some tweets reminding us Hellblade is days away.

The only disappointment with the PS5 is not enough Sony games. Xbox followed up no games with disappointing ones.

Einhander197225m ago

PlayStations history has been built around third and second party publishing. The vast majority of games that people recognize as PlayStation games were made like this.

Insomniac only because a PlayStation Owned studio a few years ago in response to Microsoft buying up studios, every game they made prior to that for PlayStation was as a third party making a games published by Sony.

PlayStation has had an incredible year using that business model.

We got Granblue Fantasy: Relink, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth, Helldiver 2, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade, and Silent Hill is right around the corner.

Einhander197233m ago

"I honestly have a hard time believing this but it does beg the question why exactly did GP fail? I think the answer is that it just didn't get the growth that it anticipated."

What?!?

Game Pass failed because from day one it was maintained by subsidization. Game Pass was never profitable, I mean, sure you can say that was because it didn't get the growth they predicted, but their predictions of it having "billions" of subscribers were completely ridiculous, to the point where saying that it didn't have fast enough growth is as completely out of touch with reality as their predictions.

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Scissorman16h ago

For all the armchair executives who were calling for Sony to release its big-budget AAA games on PS+, the same exact thing would have happened at PlayStation. Game Pass has killed Xbox. Congrats.

shinoff218316h ago

There's not many of of us clamoring for Sony to do this because most of us understand it would kill Playstation. I'm sure there's a few but I've not seen alot of it myself.

porkChop4h ago

"the same exact thing would have happened at PlayStation"

But the same thing *has* been happening at PS. They've closed, what, 3 or 4 studios so far this gen? Laid off plenty of staff, restructured studios, etc.

BehindTheRows2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

PlayStation isn’t struggling. Xbox is. That’s the difference.

Sony also didn’t buy out multiple publishers with LOTS of studios and leave them in a state of uncertainty.

So, he’s absolutely right that Sony not following Game Pass in its entirety was smart as this very thing could have happened. Name a team, like Tango, who wasn’t struggling (like Tango) that Sony closed. Every closure was because of a studio who wasn’t pulling their weight.

rlow140m ago

You’re right about that. People on here will turn a blind eye and downvote because it’s Sony. Jim Ryan flew to the London studio and spent the day with them. The very next day they were all fired.

Calling out MS and not Sony. No matter how the studios came to be. Won’t make a damn difference to those who lost their jobs. In the end it’s all the same.

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