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Why Natal And Move Change Nothing

"Bringing new consumers in and breaking down the barriers to accessibility". Not our words, you understand, but those of EA Sports President Peter Moore, talking about the possibilities for Project Natal and PlayStation Move. And he's right.

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dangert125068d ago

only an idiot will believe they will change nothing
this generation has pushed what i thought us forward in tech(ano flying cars etc) the only reason al this hi tec is coming out is cause of the boundries consoles are pushings...still we don't have flying cars :(

hamoor5068d ago

Yeah because both aren't new to us
Natal is an improved eye-toy and Sony move as an improved wiimote
Though I prefer move to natal but you can't replace the good old controller (:

D4RkNIKON5068d ago

i agree, that is why I like when games give you the option. I bet GT5 will have some sort of wii wheel accessory for the Move controller to turn it into a wheel that is held in the hands instead of mounted on the table. People love to downplay move on GT5 but I loved Mario Kart wii but I imagine the controls will be similar. I doubt you will point the Move controller at the screen when playing.

NecrumSlavery5068d ago

GT5 really doesn't need move. I would rather have the good old Steering Wheel. The force feed back is better IMO. The Move makes the drive floaty. Like the difference between COD & Killzone 2.

MoVe is awesome, but for GT5, I'm exited for the 3D. But oh Boy me on KZ3 with mOvE? Hell yeah on that!

UnwanteDreamz5068d ago

Who knows. I'm getting 2 for my living room console where the kids and wife play. I'll sneak it onto my PS3 to check it out but I wont be putting my DS3 down anytime soon.

cliffbo5068d ago (Edited 5068d ago )

nobody is asking you to put your DS3 down, it is an option if you like it for some games then use it if not then don't use it.

NYPunk885068d ago

Well that totally depends on the devs and their creative juices, no? The potential is huge! All that lacks are good ideas. Good luck devs! XD

wiggles5068d ago

Damn what happened to your bubbles danger???

Anyway, yeah every sort of new technology will change something for better or worse, obviously the Wii's motion changed the game...and now if this motion trend sells money, then the big 3 will know that in addition to having graphics and hardcore gamer support, they also need to have some sort of device that can appeal to the casual gamer in order to obtain more of the market share.

Besides everyone secretly dreams about being totally immersed in a game, and feeling like you were actually there (Avatar)...Natal and Move brings our Arms/Body into the world...obviously this is an improvement.

dangert125068d ago

people on this site don't like the truth
to some i'm a 360 fanboy to some i'm a ps3 fanboy
don't know why they can't see i tell it like it is and enjoy good games regardless

D4RkNIKON5068d ago

Bubble for Bubble. I'll + you because I generally agree with your posts.

Boody-Bandit5068d ago (Edited 5068d ago )

Come on dangert, you know the drill. It's us vs them! There is no middle ground. PICK A SIDE MAN! /s

I'll throw you a bubble.

On topic:
Articles like this are such a waste. How in the hell does anyone know how these new devices are going to play out for Sony and MS? They don't. Both Sony and MS put a lot of time, effort and most of all money, into these ventures so you can bet they are going to sell and be utilized to the best of their abilities. Both companies will make sure of that.

Personally I am an old school gamer and set in my ways. I don't see me using either of these devices mainstream but more than likely I will eventually purchase them. I have to see what they can do and how they will be implemented before making a purchase though. E3 should answers those questions in a couple days.

niceguywii605068d ago (Edited 5068d ago )

Dragging Natal into thoughts and concerns about Move is sort of weak due to not wanting to admit Move is just a weak clone no one will be paying any attention to yet not being able to leave Natal without bashing. You can feel the heat from media and fanboys growing more rabid by the hour.

fuckitimout5068d ago

traditional controler still my pic

ELite_Ghost5068d ago

won't change nothing to hardcore gamers...
BUT for casual gamers :O, that's a whole dif story

rob60215068d ago

Even for casuals, will it change much? Are we just going to see more eye-toy minigames, and wiimote game ports?

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Air Conflicts: Secret Wars - PlayStation Move's Best Kept Secret

Air Conflicts: Secret Wars debuted in 2011, and later updated for modern consoles. However, it's the PlayStation 3 edition that stands out.

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Why the PlayStation Move Failed

Sony's PlayStation Move may not have been able to contend with Nintendo's Wii, but it paved the way for PlayStation VR's success story.

SullysCigar957d ago

I use them most days and have for years 🤷🏻‍♂️

They're definitely way past a needed update, but I've got a tonne of fun out of them, so they haven't failed me.

bouzebbal957d ago

The best motion control platform it's so intuitive.. Died due to lack of support from Sony.. It had some amazing games

thorstein957d ago

They are used constantly for PSVR games. So, no they haven't failed. Neither has PSVR (or VR in general.)

Bigman4k957d ago (Edited 957d ago )

The article was talking about why it ps move failed before psvr came along

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH958d ago

It failed because it sucked plain and simple.

LOGICWINS957d ago

I feel that's a bit harsh. To this day, playing Killzone 3's campaign with PS Move/Sharpshooter gun combo is the most fun/immersive experience I've ever had with an FPS.

I think Move was simply not as profitable as Sony wanted it to be, but it didn't "suck".

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH957d ago

It most definitely sucked. You people can act like it was something special all you want but it was horrible. The entire motion control fad was a waste of resources and time. Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming. It's ok to admit it...

Minute Man 721957d ago

@SPEAK

The Move was better that the Wii mote. If the Wii was anywhere accurate as the Move was you could say the Wii was better. Sure it sold boatloads but was it really played consistently??

yeahokwhatever957d ago

I played it in 3D with the move gun on a 100 inch projector and it BLEW MY MIND. I was exhausted, but i finished the campaign standing there.

SullysCigar957d ago

"Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming"

Just no. Games release most weeks (for years now) that support Move controllers. Some ONLY use Move controllers.

Look, I get you're not a fan, but if you're going to rant, at least inform yourself in advance.

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LordoftheCritics957d ago

I would say both Move and Kinect weren't supported properly.

Sony and MS abandoned what could have been amazing.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH957d ago

Kinect sucked too. I would say Kinect may have been cool had it worked as intended but it was ahead of it's time. Both Kinect and Move are gimmicks nothing more. I honestly don't see why Sony still implements "motion controls" recent controllers. Who really uses that crap? And to play what?

Profchaos957d ago

I so t think Sony abandoned the move it's technically repurposed and still supported on the ps5 just for VR

RedDevils957d ago

Kinect should be kept as media interactive features.

LordoftheCritics957d ago (Edited 957d ago )

@SPEAKxTHExTRUTH
Again if it was supported right.

Where even a fast click of my fingers could get an immediate in game response.

It feels trash because we have been shown or lived with bad versions of gesture based tech. Think Minority Report fast. That could be something.

''You people can act like it was something special all you want but it was horrible.''

No one is acting like it was special, I said it could be amazing.

''I think Move was simply not as profitable as Sony wanted it to be''

Like I said, it wasnt supported. Give us a AAA game with precision gestures well implemented into the game and then we can discuss profits.

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SPEAKxTHExTRUTH957d ago

I don't deal in "what if". It wasn't supported right and even if it was it was still a gimmick.

thorstein957d ago

"Like I said, it wasnt supported. Give us a AAA game with precision gestures well implemented into the game"

You just described every AAA PSVR game. And even the indies have incredible integration. No Man's Sky VR is insanely good.

Silly gameAr957d ago

And, you can act like it was horrible, but I had a blast with my Move. I had the whole collection of House of the Dead, Dead Space Extraction, and RE Darkside Cronicles, The Fight, and Socom 4, and I would play the hell out of those games I even beat a playthrough of the Resistance 3 campaign with the Move. Getting drunk and playing with friends was a freaking blast.

You can pretend that you had a move and played it all you want SPeak the Truth, but it was accurate, and usually on point. I hate when people act like they've played something just to trash it, when they really just have a vendetta, and think the Move is easy prey for your hate.

Minute Man 721957d ago

Wait you can play Dead Space with the Move?? I need it

Orchard957d ago

“You can pretend that you had a move”

I love this crazy idea that if someone has something bad to say about hardware/software - they must be lying about owning it and clearly do not own it!

Because all hardware and software has a 100% approval rating from all purchasers…

P_Bomb957d ago (Edited 957d ago )

Shoot I forgot about Dead Space Extraction and Umbrella Chronicles. Had those too. Still do (digital).

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH957d ago

I have a vendetta against Move? Lmao that's the most ridiculous comment I've read today. I didn't buy it because like I said motion controls are gimmicks. I had a Wii and it was decent enough but a gimmick although successful. I had a Kinect and it too was trash. Don't act as if you know what I have and haven't owned. Move was nothing more than a Wiimote ripoff

yeahokwhatever957d ago

SO MANY really great experiences for the Move. The Fight was excellent!

Silly gameAr957d ago (Edited 957d ago )

@Minute Man

There was a game called Dead Space Extraction that you could play the Move with.

@Orchard. Please don't reply to me, because every time I say something to you, I magically end up restricted. So, just ignore me like I ignore you, so there will be no hurt feelings, please.

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Vanfernal957d ago

"Ever single motion controller besides the Wii failed and is no longer being used today in gaming. It's ok to admit it..."

That is demostrably false.... Most VR games have motion controls and the PSVR uses the Move controllers.

SPEAKxTHExTRUTH957d ago (Edited 957d ago )

VR games have a controller most of the time not some magic wand. And VR is not the same as PS move or Kinect. I'm not a fan of VR either. A controller and a couch is all I need for my gaming needs.

Vanfernal957d ago

@SPEAKxTHExTRUTH

"And VR is not the same as PS move or Kinect."

PSVR LITERALLY uses the Move controllers. Now it's just obvious you have no idea what you're talking about. You're saying Move failed and nobody uses it anymore when it's an integral part of PSVR and is still being used in 2021.

ScootaKuH957d ago

It didn't suck. It worked but the games just weren't there, that's why it failed.

Father__Merrin957d ago

The move was excellent it was 1 to 1 precise time crisis was a joy to play aswell as sports champions it didn't hit mainstream as it was an addon unlike Nintendo wiimote

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Godmars290958d ago

Lack of games that proved the concept that 3rd parties could then copy en masse?

Silly Mammo957d ago

I wish that someone would have made a proper boxing game. I still have a blast with the Sports Champions boxing, but to have a boxing game that was more in-depth would have been awesome.

Dario_DC957d ago

Try Creed for PSVR, it's brilliant

OMGitzThatGuy958d ago

Because it was a uninspired ripoff of the Wii controller without the Nintendo library to back it and didn't try to put any real effort into development such as getting their top developers to make games for it and instead gave tech demos disguised as games to their least talented developers so the best can focus on single player only games.

Ryushaa958d ago

Except the Move was an idea roughly implemented in the PS2. Yes, I'm serious.
Just search on youtube: PlayStation 2 - Motion Controller (2004)

Nonetheless, just like the whole Wii, it was more of a gimmick than a proper input evolution in games.

jukins958d ago

Exactly. Its funny time and time again sony is the first innovate. Often at its own peril. Like your example the move started on ps2 taken advantage of by nintendo. Sony buys gakai for game streaming only for other companies to overtake them.

Profchaos957d ago

Are you talking about the gametrak on os2 which used strings to track your hand position I used to have this and a gold game it was awesome but the game itself sucked if it had integration with tiger woods or something it would be way better the tracking was excellent even back then as it wasn't using guesswork.
However the game was very forgiving and no way to turn it harder and no licensed players or courses hurt it.

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yeahokwhatever957d ago

99% of the Wii's games were "shovelware", in fact, I think thats what started that phrase..

EvertonFC958d ago

Socom, killzone, resistance and tiger wood 14 were great with the move but agree lacked more games.

yeahokwhatever957d ago

There were plenty of games and I'm glad that not every game became a Move game.

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These PS3 Games are Going to get Really Expensive

Could you get rich by investing in PS3 games? Almost definitely not. Can you make a few bucks by flipping PS3 games over the years? Yeah, sure! It wouldn’t even be that difficult. But let’s face it: Once these games are in your collection, you’re probably keeping them forever.

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CDbiggen960d ago

There's a reason I didn't buy most of these when they came out.

MadLad960d ago

After a game's multiple generations old, and can't be had new at a reasonable price, that's when I see nothing wrong with emulation.

What's the point of paying someone scalper prices when the dev/publisher isn't even benefiting from it?

mkis007960d ago

Emulation doesn't stop a games physical box from becoming collectible.

Knightofelemia960d ago

I paid $30 for SH Downpour on PS3 now it's around $70-$85 Canadian Lolipop Chainsaw I paid $15 and it has really gone up in price. I wonder if Transformers War and Fall of Cybertron will go up in price two of the best Transformers games every made.

neutralgamer1992960d ago

In 5 years time all those games will be worth at least $150 to $200 that you listed

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neutralgamer1992960d ago

Ever since Sony announced that they would shut down PS3 store these prices have skyrocketed and even though Sony backtracked now most gamers realize that it's a matter of time before the PlayStation 3 store is shut down. If you want these games get them while you can even if digital because once that story shut down the physical prices will just go crazy high we saw that already

And many of these games did not sell like crazy amounts so they are limited number of copies available for sale at any given time

MadLad960d ago

Folklore is a game I've always really wanted to play, but I got a PS3 late in the generation, and it was already really expensive to find, being it didn't exactly sell well, therefore was already kind of a collector's item.

Kept hoping I'd find a cheap copy randomly at stores and flea markets, but never happened.

franwex960d ago

I got mine for $5 at Walmart like 10 years ago. I have yet to play it.

neutralgamer1992960d ago

It was available at GameStop for a while for under $20. Don't know har happened but GameStop started to sell their used games based on ebay prices it seems

You can still find it for around $60-70 and which in my opinion is a good price for a game that will be worth double if not triple that in next 5 years

Mr Logic960d ago

Have you considered modding your PS3? Neither Sony or the dev would be getting money from that Folklore purchase. Kind of a victimless crime at that point.

MadLad960d ago (Edited 960d ago )

@neutral

Honestly, I just want to actually give the experience a try. I'm not someone who would buy it at a premium just to potentially rip someone off down the road.
I mean, there are collectors out there and if paying a couple hundred dollars is worth it to them then more power to them, but I'm not one to be on either end of that exchange.

I know it's taboo, but I might dig in and see the state of PS3 emulation on PC. I have a good PC, so it might be able to power through the often times poor performance, being PS3 is known to be hard to emulate.

I've never emulated anything past the PS2/Dreamcast but, as I said in my first post, I don't see anything wrong with emulation if the game you want to play can only be had used, with no money going to the creators.

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