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PlayStation 4 & AMD Radeon R9 290X GPU share the same 8 ACE ( Asynchronous Compute Engines )

Newly leaked slides from AMD's new Radeon R9 290X Hawaii GPU reveals that the Volcanic Islands GPU will also feature 8 Asynchronous Compute Engines much like the Liverpool GPU inside of Sony's new PS4.

Each of the 8 ACE's can manage up to 8 compute queues for a total of 64 compute commands, in comparison the HD 7970 only has 2 ACE's that could only queue 2 compute commands for a total of 4 & the Xbox One only has 2 ACE's but they also manage up to 8 compute queues for a total of 16 compute queues.

Could this mean that the PS4's GPU is also apart of AMD's Volcanic Islands family?

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M-M3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

"Could this mean that the PS4's GPU is also apart of AMD's Volcanic Islands family?"

Of course, Sony is part of the HSA Foundation.

thereapersson3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

When Sony said custom architecture, they weren't kidding.

"Can saturate PCIe 3.0 x16 bus bandwidth"

mewhy323864d ago

Wow. It's already common knowledge that the PS4 is the most powerful console ever conceived. The GPU in the PS4 is leaps and bounds above any other console on the market or coming to the market.

DomceM3864d ago

not as good as highest end steambox. sorry.

XB1_PS43864d ago

@DomceM "good" is not the right word. Ps4 will not be as "powerful", but it will most likely be better.

Benjammin253864d ago

@DomceM Doesn't cost over a grand like a high end steam box.

nunley333864d ago

@DomceM The steam box also isn't a console either, its still a small form pc that hooks up to your tv.

Eonjay3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

This was actually old news. It basically means that in addition to having more raw power in Flops, it can also do more compute calculation per cycle (physics,ect) by a factor of 4 than the Xbox One. When we say the PS4 is more powerful, its not a fanboy thing... its a physics thing. I am not paying 20% more to get 1/4 the compute ability of a cheaper machine...

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gaffyh3864d ago

Saw this on Neogaf which I found interesting, this is just about the GPU though:

X1 GPU:
1.18 TF GPU (12 CUs) for games
768 Shaders
48 Texture units
16 ROPS
2 ACE/ 16 queues

PS4 GPU:
1.84TF GPU (18 CUs) for games + 56%
1152 Shaders +50%
72 Texture units +50%
32 ROPS + 100%
8 ACE/64 queues +300%

This was posted a while ago, so it looks like the rumoured specs are accurate.

darthv723864d ago

@gravelord...nobody ever thought that. in fact, fans on both sides knew neither system was using-off-the-shelf parts.

P0werVR3864d ago

...This is an astute observation, but come on fellas. Please don't run with this, you'll just look embarrassed at the end. Just like Xbox fanboy with his "insider" conversations.

Just wait until it comes DIRECTLY from Sony. So volcanic family?! NO! Asychronous Compute Engines?! YES!

osprey193864d ago

@mewhy32. Did u not read the article? The article says it has the same specs (at least in this regard) as the xbox one.

DigitallyAfflicted3864d ago

Yeah baby bring it on sumo power :)

dantesparda3864d ago

Question, how do we know that the PS4 has 8 ACE's with 8 compute queues? Sony isnt talking (which is really annoying me), heck we dont even know what the CPU speed is (everyone just assumes 1.6ghz becuase of the VGleaks)

saber000053864d ago

Did DomceM just created the Steam Fanboy club? Ohh... My...

Eonjay3864d ago

@dantesparda This isn't really new. Its been talked about for months. Remember all Mark Cerny's interviews where he says that the power Compute will be unlocked in about 2 years? Yeah it was stated back then that the GPU contains 8 ACE's. Thats where you get the GPGPU stuff from. The X1 also has ACEs that will be used for physics and what not, the PS4 just has 400% more.

The Killer3864d ago

PS4 is the most powerful console but not PC.

yes in the future or even maybe current times, there exist better GPUs than ps4, BUT at what cost?

how much will it cost us to have a new PC which has the same GPU and CPU throughput power? i doubt it will be anything less than a $1000 USD.

Plus, the console graphics can be fully optimized with time! so it gets only better within the first 3-4 years into the console life cycle.

if anyone can tell me if there is a PC right now that costs $400 USD and has the same power as ps4 then please let me know.

dantesparda3864d ago

@Eonjay

Thanks, i hope you're right

thereapersson3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

@gravelord...nobody ever thought that. in fact, fans on both sides knew neither system was using-off-the-shelf parts.

Edit:

Actually that is a common point used by most PC fans and some Xbox fans. Pay more attention and you'll see it on comment forums all over the net.

juggulator3864d ago

@dantesparda

Mark Cerny confirmed it. He helped design the PS4's architecture.
http://www.extremetech.com/...

Linwelin3864d ago

@nunley33 isn't that what the PS4 and XBone do ? running on similar hardware too, i fail to see the difference here, and steam has its own OS just like the other consoles.

MarkusMcNugen3863d ago

@Benjammin25 and @nunley33

A stand-alone computer running a specialized OS specifically designed for entertainment and video games... what would you call that? Perhaps, a console. If you want to call the steambox a PC then so is the PS4 and the Xbox One, especially now that they share the same x86 architecture with PCs. And price doesnt matter, Sonys claim was that the PS4 was the most powerful console, unfortunately Valve's Steambox has now taken that claim away from Sony.

Eonjay3863d ago

@MarkusMcNugen its a PC. The parts are interchangeable with off the shelf parts. The term console indicate a closed systems. Like a PC or laptop, you can upgrade the Ram, and GPU of any SteamBox. It is essentially a PC. The Piston can however be considered a console because it is non-upgradeable.

AndrewLB3863d ago

The weakest steambox is more powerful than PS4. Get your facts straight

Mombasa693863d ago (Edited 3863d ago )

Not even 2 Titans can saturate PCIe 3.0x16 Bandwidth, what a load of old bollox.

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pyramidshead3864d ago

This is brilliant news if true :).

LostDjinn3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

Agreed. At the very least it means that "gamble" with the ACEs wasn't a gamble at all. They'll be used for games on both PS4 and PC in future.

Edit: Because nobody's building a "gable" in the comments. :S

G20WLY3864d ago

Yes, but what do NVIDIA say about this? Only then will we know for sure how good this is /S

...don't worry, they'll be along soon to say why it's not as good as their latest effort. lol *rolls eyes*

Benjammin253864d ago

You're brilliant news if true.

HighResHero3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

There were articles months ago talking about how PS4 would be using proprietary technology, similar to that used in AMD's upcoming GPUs and I think I remember APU technology.
If anyone has an article about the APU aspect, or any new info about it's unique architecture, please post it.
Now that that's covered, my Vita is out for delivery and the mailman should be here any minute. :]

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Lior3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

The steambox can be classed as a console. It has a GTX titan, 780,770,760 which are all more powerful GPUs, EDIT you are contradicting yourself by saying steamboxes arent consoles persay and ps4 with its x86 chip and custom 7870 GPU isnt a pc, steambox has its own OS as well as the ps4 so what is the difference please tell me

TIER1xWOLFPACKx3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

Yes and no it's still a pc and not every steambox will have those parts as they are customisable some steam boxes will be weaker some more powerful. It's not even confirmed yet that valves own steambox will have gtx780,titan etc that was the prototype units. Also the psu for a steambox/machine is 450watt according to most websites and having a titan and an I4770k on that amount of power is just going to cause problems

GamerXD3864d ago

Steam machines, should you say. Steam machines ain't consoles, but PCs. Yes they're almost consoles, but still different.

Rubberlegs3864d ago

@TIER1xWOLFPACKx

That's not going cause any problems. That enough wattage for not overclocking and they probably aren't some cheap low brand psu. These will be packed in small cases too so your not going to have much in them besides the main components and a couple fans.

Rhaigun3864d ago

The fact you can install your own OS and switch out GPUs means it's not a console. Part of being a console is having closed architecture and a firm OS.

ShinMaster3864d ago

Steam Machines have their own OS but it's not a closed OS like the the PS4 or XBO. It can also run Windows OS. It functions like a PC.

It's not a console. It competes with Windows PCs.

MarkusMcNugen3863d ago

@Lior
You are correct. People on here are just trying to find a way to separate the two, but they are both essentially the same thing now. A lot of people are unhappy about the Steambox being able to claim the most powerful console title now.

@TIER1xWOLFPACKx
So a upgradable PS4 or Xbox One wouldnt be a console? Simply because it can be upgraded? Thats a ridiculous statement. If Microsoft or Sony announced tomorrow that a GPU could easily we swapped out for a new one it would cease to be a console? I think not. Power also wont be an issue as Im sure people will not be allowed to overclock the hardware. Im sure it will be in the ToS somewhere. Otherwise a warranty will be voided.

@Rhaigun
So by your account a PS3 was only half a console until they eliminated OtherOS? Because you could install your own OS on a PS3 and it functioned just like a PC. If they would have just released upgradeable GPUs, then it wouldnt have been a console anymore... No, I think not.

@ShinMaster
A console doesnt require a closed OS to be a console. And as I mentioned above to Rhaigun being able to install a third party OS doesnt make it a PC either. Or the PS3 would have been considered a PC. Its a new market. Its a PC designated for entertanment and video games. Its a PC that doubles as a console and competes against the PS4, Xbox One, Wii U, and PCs. It will be very entertaining to see how well it sells and what future holds for Valves hardware.

@Everyone
Frankly, I think everyone is trying to find a classification system that works for their opinions. We all know that a console has always been a specialized PC, and now we are seeing a specialized PC that can double as a regular PC as well. Its a console and a PC rolled into one box.

I guess the old adage was "Consoles are equal to PCs, but PCs are not equal to consoles" but that no longer applies in this case. Seems to me like we either need a new classification system, or we just start calling them all PCs with the difference being a closed ecosystem or open ecosystem.

Rhaigun3863d ago

@MarkusMcNugen
Installing your own OS on the PS3 really served no purpose other than gaining easier access to internal files. Made it easier to hack. Hence the reason Sony discontinued the option. You couldn't run, say MS Office, or anything. Something you can do on a Steambox.

Look, I'm a fan of the Steambox. I wish I could afford to build one. But, I have no grand illusions about what it is. An SFF PC. Is it more similar to consoles than ever before? Yes. But, you're better off calling it a gaming system than a console.

AndrewLB3863d ago

According to the flops it's capable of, the PS4's gpu is much closer to the 7850 performance wise. The hd 7870 puts out 2560 gflops which we all know is a lot more than PS4.

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Magicite3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

I sense PlayStation Domination in soon future.

otherZinc3864d ago

Does this mean:
The Drive Club is going to be both 1080p "native" @ 60fps?
Like Forza 5.

Or
Are any PS4 games going to be 1080p "native" @ 60fps.
If so what are the games. Also, could I have a link stating as such?

cbuc11253864d ago

Resogun=1080p/60
Killzone Multiplayer=1080p/60
Deep Down=1080p/60

A game is 1080p/60 when the developers decide that it fits their design. Anymore questions?

Ezz20133864d ago

Driveclub,Deep down,KillzoneSF,Infamous SS,Resogun etc of ps4 games are NATIVE 1080p

welcome to next gen
hope to see Xbox1 join the next gen club when they start show 1080p games outside of racing game that lack tons of things that last gen game like GT6 have and another 1080p game (driveclub) have as well
so far Forza5 have less cars,no weather effects,no night/day shift

kingduqc3864d ago

1080p was a standart on pc since like 2007 so yeah who cares really

DigitalRaptor3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

Keep spouting your unsubstantiated nonsense about games not being native 1080p. Repeating it is not going to somehow make it true, it only encourages your delusions. You're just gonna keep getting owned, and it looks like you have already had your ass handed to you so far.

Deep Down is 1080/60.
Resogun is 1080/60.
Killzone is 1080/60 in its multiplayer.
inFamous: Second Son is reported to be pretty much 1080/60 (and that's open-world with immaculate detail and fast paced gameplay).

solidboss073863d ago

You moronic buffoon. Wait till we are past the launch window.

nosferatuzodd3863d ago

dude the only game on xbone that is 1080p is forza stop spewing rubish have you look at deep down or killzone or infamous or resogun they're all 1080p

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otherZinc3864d ago

@Digital Raptor,

No one has owned me, where's the link with SONY or said Dev statingthe PS4 games that do "BOTH" 1080p "native" @ 60fps!

When the smoke clears, Forza 5 will be standing by itself in novemNovember at 1080p "native" @ 60fps.

koolaid2513864d ago

Flops mean nothing,the new Gpu are at like 4 teraflops now.They're way better that Ps4 and xbox 1 combined so what does that say about teraflops?

BallsEye3864d ago

Stop dreaming guys. It was confirmed sony uses sea islands, just like ms with XO...this card is a beast and if it would be in ps4 you would see all of the games run 60 fps 4k res >.>

DonFreezer3864d ago

If I could I would report this to FBI because the double standard is almost killing it. When someone like misterxmedia talks something like that for the Xbox One you all bush him and laugh. And this all seems legit and wonderful for your precious PS4 using as a source a blog post? Are you that delusional? Are you that stupid? Who in the world will the PS4 cost 399 and feature tech from a 499 GPU is a serious question to all of sony sheep.

BlackTar1873864d ago

except MisterX is wrong about everything and changes his facts to fit his story not the story to fit the facts.

Persistantthug3864d ago

Didn't that guy say/imply that the XBONE would have like 2 or 3 Gpus?

Yeah......I'm still laughing at that nonsense.

Brix903864d ago

And that sir is why you have one bubble

assdan3864d ago

I think this means that they secretly put a 290x in! Wow and at the bargain of $400. THAT $300 LESS THAN THE ACTUAL CARD ITSELF!!!!!! (This was sarcasm by the way)

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JimmyLmao3864d ago

no one can find the Xbox One's secret dGPU because Microsoft hid it in the PS4!

windblowsagain3864d ago

That was Harrison double agent agenda. To hide the extra gpu inside PS4.

Ezz20133864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

Harrison: let's put secret dGPU in Xbox1

Greenberg: tha...that's great idea, i will definitely tell them to start working on it now

Harrison: ok
*go to his office and lock the door*

Greenberg: yeah, i definitely will NOT do that

*then "Kaz" take his mask off and leave with trolling laugh*

pyramidshead3864d ago

PS4 IS the XB1's second dGPU! The master plan on building a united console must have fallen through!

MasterCornholio3864d ago

But how would that work?

Letme guess, you just plug the PS4 into the Xbox One via the HDMI in port and you got your second (more powerful GPU)

Wouldn't it be cheaper to just buy a PS4?

;)

I'm just kidding.

Nexus 7 2013

Ezz20133864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

lol hehe

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forcefullpower3864d ago

8 ACE's Must be really shit if it has that many. I'v been told by Microsoft that they are crap after two. /s

OlgerO3864d ago

Then it could be true since microsoft speaks the truth 8 % of the time

cell9893864d ago

hahahahaha!!!! nice try troll

cell9893864d ago

@KweitStorm yes Im positive Forcefullpower was trolling with such a statement with no documentation to back it

Petro3863d ago

Let me guess, you have no idea what /s represents?

iiwii3863d ago

@cell989

I'm pretty sure it was meant as sarcasm (/s = end of sarcasm)

Ohlmay3864d ago (Edited 3864d ago )

Most likely based off the Volcanic GPU's from AMD.

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What Will The PlayStation 6 Look Like?

While we haven't even begun to tap into the full potential of the PS5, fans are already beginning to talk about what Sony's next console, the PlayStation 6, will look like and what features it will have.

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Jin_Sakai2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

“While we haven't even begun to tap into the full potential of the PS5“

We always here this statement yet we have plenty of games that struggle to run at solid frame rates or decent resolutions.

Skuletor1d 1h ago

The developers should know the limits of these consoles, especially this far into the gen. I'd blame them and possibly the publishers, pushing to make games as visually appealing as possible at the cost of resolution and frame rate, which is nothing new in the industry.

franwex3h ago

I may skip next gen altogether probably. We will see.

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Diablo IV is Available on PlayStation Cloud Gaming - Beats Xbox to the Punch

Diablo IV is now available to play via PlayStation Cloud Gaming! Still not available to Play on Xbox Cloud Gaming.

We ran our script again and found 15 other PS5 games (a lot of popular ones!) that got PS5 Cloud Gaming support within the last month as well.

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Hugodastrevas4d ago

Not for me, I'm 100% physical media all of the time.

jwillj2k43d ago

I hate that I have to keep calling this out, but your physical disks mean nothing if the game code attempts to connect to a server prior to playing.

Hugodastrevas3d ago

And that happens when? I'm playing completely offline here, stellar Blade to be more precise.
I'm sorry but I've never run into that imaginary problem you're talking about, I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but it has never happened to me.

jwillj2k43d ago

You not running into the problem yet has no bearing on my argument. You’re acting like the medium is the shield for you being able to always play your games when it effectively is not. The game code itself can try to connect to a server or the console you’re playing on may receive an update that requires that game to connect to a server. Just because you haven’t ran into it doesn’t mean anything lol you don’t own your games no matter how you try.

Hugodastrevas3d ago

So I have never run into the problem you're talking about and your answer is an hypothetical? Look I can play any game of my library offline right now without issue.
That issue is in your mouth and alone.

Crows903d ago

Actually...there's an easy way...don't connect. If it doesn't require a connection and you don't connect...the code can't update...obviously....confused why you don't get what he's saying.

outsider16243d ago

Hold on..lets say i dnt have an online connection, can i atleast play the game offline though. Was thinking of getting this

jwillj2k43d ago

None of you use your brains.

OK, let’s explore this playing offline. not talking about Diablo specifically just gaming in general.

Are you going to buy two PlayStations? One offline one online? If not, moment you want to play something that requires a connection you’re cooked.

Does game experience you love so much stay the same offline?

Is the game even playable offline?

The whole point of my argument is that we don’t hold the keys anymore. The gatekeepers are the developers and console makers regardless of whether it’s digital or physical. You altering your play style for a lesser experience is not a workaround, it doesn’t solve the overall problem.

None of this matters since the move to the cloud is inevitable.

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spicelicka4d ago

So you have to buy the game and can only stream to the PS5 devices using PS plus premium? What is the point of that. Much more useful when you can stream to other devices.

MrNinosan4d ago

Works great on my Portal while at work 👍

spicelicka3d ago

That's streaming off your PS5, not from the cloud. This is specifically referring to cloud gaming.

CrimsonWing694d ago

Can’t you, uh, do this on your phone?

Tacoboto4d ago

Sony doesn't yet have a web or app-based solution to stream games off their cloud service, the closest you may be able to get would be Remote Play if they allow cloud streaming during a Remote session.

And yes this applies to the Portal too.

Einhander19723d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Tacoboto

Please stop talking about PlayStation Streaming, you don't know what you're talking about.

I just explained this to you the other day where you were telling people that remote play was their only cloud solution, because apparently you didn't understand how PlayStation Premium works even though PS Now was a thing since shortly after the launch PS4..

You can stream to PC and Mac, and they had mobile clients for it in the past but probably for the same reason Microsoft is fighting Apple and Google PS Now wasn't allowed on App stores. Which is why it's not on iPhone and Android still.

And to be honest, I am glad they are trying to keep it on the console, all their moves away from the console seem like a step in the wrong direction, which isn't working so great for Microsoft...

anast4d ago

Blizzard is shoving this game everywhere. Diablo 4 is going to take an even bigger hit soon. Path of exile 2 is coming out and it looks insane.

Crows903d ago

Well they're about to release the next season...I think that might be way they're pushing the game again.

anast3d ago

I mean I get what you are saying, but D4 isn't doing that well either.

UnbreakableAlex4d ago (Edited 4d ago )

I completed it on gamepass. Thanks God I dint pay it full price. It plays like a lazy mobile game. I am not a pro diablo gamer (Diablo 1 was the only one I completed) but D4 has no atmosphere, no creepy feeling and soundtrack like the first one and its so easy, I managed to not buy any weapon and had 4 Million Credits on level 55. I always used the same 4 attacks from the beginning and died maybe 10-15 times. It's so easy, wtf. I remember D1 to be pretty hard.
WTF happened? Is Diablo 3 also that bad?

jwillj2k43d ago

Diablo 3 was my first Diablo game. I had to use the mailbox cheats to keep it interesting.

Crows903d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Diablo 3 was really hard at launch....then they made it easy.

They love scaling difficulty though.

anast3d ago

D2 is the pinnacle. I still fire it up from time to time.

GrmpyolGamer 3d ago

Considering that the PS cloud steaming is garbage compared to XCloud and is limited to certain devices this isn't something to brag about. Wake me up when Diablo is on PS plus

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PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher

With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?

thorstein19d ago

No, and they already solved any need with the overlay that's coming.

Vits19d ago

Unless they are trying to kill their recently created PC business, I would advise against opening a dedicated PC store. It's an extremely hard endeavor, and people, in general, are very comfortable with Steam. Even Epic, with their billions of dollars invested, is still struggling to find a foothold, and they have Fortnite.

just_looken18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Money is one thing security is another but again millions have 0 knowledge past 2020.

Epic store for years struggled with a shopping cart/account theft/credit card theft

Rockstar launcher/store to this day over 5 years later still has horrific user interface security flaws lost account's and stolen CC

Then you got that activision need phone number oh we lost it launcher

The crown jewel is the ea launcher/store ea app 3 yrs old still has hundreds of threads were people lost games/accounts/game access or just straight up crashes.

Edit" Oh ubi launcher were you buy a game that may or may not be there again or work and the launcher 5yrs old still has no 4K support if you launch it on a 4k screen there is a high chance it will just crash.

ocelot0719d ago

Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming.

It's just a known fact. The PC gaming community prefer Steam and Steam alone. They don't like different launchers. I personally don't mind them. But majority just stick with steam. Hence why EA and Ubisoft went back to on releasing on steam and why Microsoft release games on steam as people hated buying from the windows store.

The only other launchers that I imagine are doing ok is GOG due to being drm free and epic games due to the free games every week. Sony shouldn't release any sort of pc launcher n

Nitrowolf219d ago (Edited 19d ago )

It literally says in the OP that PC gamers don't like multiple launchers lol. It even mentions Steam being the go to for gamers

Tacoboto19d ago

Title: "PlayStation Doesn't Need a Dedicated PC Store Launcher"

N4G: "Can tell who ever put this together is not all that clued up on pc gaming"

When you don't even read the headline...

ocelot0719d ago

I read it and had a brain fart. As read the title then this "With all the PlayStation games that are now coming to PC, is it time for Sony to release a dedicated PC launcher?"

So I hold my hands up on that mistake. Rest of my comment still stands.

Giblet_Head18d ago (Edited 18d ago )

Steam and GOG are highly preferred because of the rich feature set. Ubisoft, Rockstar, EA, Epic etc have all set a precedent over the years for customers to instinctively expect individual publisher launchers to be so extremely half-assed that the majority simply don't want to bother dealing with what is almost an inevitable disappointment by comparison to Steam or GOG. Those publishers and their inaction or general disinterest to improve have effectively ruined any future adoption to be taken seriously.

Einhander197219d ago (Edited 19d ago )

This is just another ridiculous double standard article.

It's like how Microsoft can spend 20 years of making nothing but gaas and live service style games to sell microtransactions, dlc and subscriptions and get praise for doing it, but if Sony wants to make a single game like that every website under the sun is writing articles saying how Sony is anti-consumer or whatever.

derek18d ago

Yep, huge double standard look at the tortured reaction to the ps5pro, websites hyperventilating like Sony is forcing people to buy it.

just_looken18d ago

Wait my xbox from 2004 has avengers gaas on it? wow your so smart

m$ Gaas started with the other companies like sony

Gamepass yes they are deep into that but its still a huge money saver sense you do not own your games then get a service like that.

Now there pc xbox launcher that is trash for years now

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