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ValueAct Still Pursuing A Microsoft Board Seat, Wants To Sell Off The Xbox Division

Steve Ballmer just announced his retirement, and the CEO of Microsoft has decided to call it a day within the next 12 months. The head of Redmond had been under fire from several circles, former employees, media and investors.

Back in April ValueAct spent $2 billion in order to take over 1 percent stake in Microsoft. And now gossip is flowing that the investment firm may be pushing for some big changes within the Redmond campus.

A top Microsoft analyst reveals that ValueAct is still pursuing a seat in the company’s board of directors.

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DEEBO3899d ago

well that sucks.even though i like sony more then MS.i hate see console makers go,hopefully this never happens.maybe this was the plan from the beginning.build the xbox brand up then sale it.

Bigpappy3899d ago

You don't even need to read the article to know that what you are implying is not the case. Just read the title and the summary.

JokesOnYou3899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

Yeah 1% and they want them to sell the division...sounds like some nutjobs trying to make some quick cash. Not going to happen, expecially since Xbox brand unlike Zune and other investments that have failed.

MWong3899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

Well if enough boardmembers get behind ValueAct and they get a seat on the board of directors it doesn't matter what percentage of stake they have in M$. They just have to convience the a majority of the board that the XBox division isn't profitable. The lack of a solid vision and leadership of the division would make that easy to argue.

I doubt they will get on the board though, but if they do I wonder who might buy XBox.

Anon19743899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

The question isn't is the Xbox profitable. The question the board has to ask themselves is is the Xbox profitable enough. Could that money be better spent? That's what ValueAct does. They come in and work with the boards of company's to get them the most bang for their buck. They simply don't think that for Microsoft they're getting their money's worth out of any of their devices, Xbox included, compared to the returns they see from other divisions. They aren't alone in thinking this either, as other board members and analysts have been saying this long before ValueAct became involved.

Edit below: And he's dismissing the fact that ValueAct isn't in this alone. They'd just be adding their voice to those who've been calling for this for some time now but have been blocked by Ballmer.

HiddenMission3899d ago

@JokesOnYou

I guess the jokes really on you considering that nut job you speak of is an investment company that spent 2 billion dollars let me repeat that 2 billion dollars for 1% and will be getting a seat on the board of directors.

Over the years many investors have not been happy with the profit/loss margin that the XBOX brand earns/loses. They have been calling for Balmer to be removed for several years and XBOX to be sold off.

With the new director from the investment firm and Balmer retiring there is a very good chance that XBOX end up becoming a separate company...which means no more massive spending for exclusives. Essentially the XBOX brand would be in the same boat as Sony and Nintendo so the fields from a capital point of view would be more level than ever.

Bigpappy3898d ago

Seems like too many of you are getting ahead of yourselves here.

@ HiddenMission: The article clearly states the ValueAct is STILL PURSUING a seat on the Board. They are not on the board yet. And if they do get on, they with have one vote, but will obvious have more say. But they are not on the board.

@ darkride: Most of what you are saying makes sense to me. But ValueAct has no say in whether Ballmer stays or goes.

You guys are acting like Patcher here. You are looking at a few fact and trying to fill in the blanks. But there is no way to predict Who will replace Ballmer and how much influence ValueAct will have over the running of M$. So you should all make it clear that you really do not know how this will affect Xbox, except for the fact that Ballmer was a huge supporter.

You guy also ignore an even bigger supporter of Xbox (Bill Gates). He still owns more shares and has more influence over M$ than anyone else.

MWong3898d ago (Edited 3898d ago )

@ darkride66
Well said, +1 bubble

@Bigpappy
I don't think anybody is getting ahead of themselves. I think people are just stating possiblities. Especially, based off your initial comment to the OP. Bill Gates doesn't run M$, the board of directors run the company. The majority vote will decide the fate of the XBox, if it ever came to a vote.

Honestly, while I would hate to see the XBox go. However, I do think some of their money could be better allocated. $100 million for the controller design to make it look like an improved 360 controller. Not to mention the amount of money they have spent on R&D for the E3 XBone model. To just change it and spend more R&D money. Not to mention, paying for exclusives.

Bigpappy3898d ago (Edited 3898d ago )

@ MWong: When you reply to my comment please make sure that what you accuse me of saying is what I did say. I never said Bill Gates run Microsoft.

Now you also state that the board of directors run M$. If that is true, why did they not have Xbox as a separate company while Ballmer was CEO? No the do not run M$. It is run buy the CEO and the chairman. The board gets to pick who runs the company, but they do NOT run it.

The next CEO gets to decide the fate of Xbox business.

Diver3898d ago (Edited 3898d ago )

Well jokesonyou you don't realize that 1% makes them a top investor. Also they ain't alone on this.

If errr, when the Xbox has a bad start this gen it could force investors looking at bad office and windows sales to push the issue through.

Overall Xbox has yet to turn a profit. They're still down from the first box days.

Startin with attacking opengl to ram directx down our throats Microsoft is the worst thing ever to happen to gaming.

Christopher3898d ago

@JOY: Actually, this isn't the first time that board of directors people (or shareholders) have discussed selling off the Xbox division. The reason? It's one of the least profitable divisions in the company but has one of the highest expense rates outside of software divisions.

JokesOnYou3898d ago (Edited 3898d ago )

All I see here is SPECULATION with nothing even close solid to go on, no different then speculation sony would split the ps division. No coincidence people giving a firm who has 1% stake and currently no board seat in a huge corporation so much weight are the usual suspects. Nothing to see here but wishful thinking really.

Here's some black and white facts for all the speculation:

"Microsoft Profits Up, Xbox Division Up 55%"

"The bold bets we made on cloud services are paying off as people increasingly choose Microsoft services including Office 365, Windows Azure, Xbox LIVE, and Skype," said Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer. "While there is still work to do, we are optimistic that the bets we’ve made on Windows devices position us well for the long-term."
http://www.vgchartz.com/art...

-I SPECULATE that based on these latest financial FACTS micro will now commence their world domination plan to take over the planet, or maybe just continue to support the Xbox brand. Who knows? lol

JohnnyBadfinger3898d ago

It's bad enough having Microsoft in charge of Xbox if it were sold I'd put my money on activision or EA even Ubisoft as the main publishers they could make heaps from having their own console.

morganfell3898d ago

There is a reason they want to divest themselves of the division. Here are thre pieces of info from Gaf:

http://i.imgur.com/UwdTasL....

http://i.imgur.com/ZUJHD.pn...

And the third piece is from a post where the individual stated that it should be considered how the Xbox division will be viewed early next year post initial launch. If Sony appears to be widening a lead it could drive some radical changes.

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Anon19743899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

It's no secret that other board members and investors have long had the knives out for the Xbox. Looking at it from a business perspective, even though the Xbox makes money now the return on money invested is paltry compared to what we see coming out of Microsoft's other divisions. You can understand why they might want to see it go when the capital could be spent boosting a much more profitable software division. But Ballmer was always the reason that this talk never went anywhere. He was a huge Xbox supporter. And now he's gone.

With ValueAct now adding its considerable influence to a board that was already unsure of the Xbox but held in check by Ballmer that leaves the division on shaky ground if the Xbox One fails to deliver, and with Windows 8 not exactly taking off and PC sales continuing to slump, Microsoft despite making obscene amounts of money could suddenly start to feel the pressure.

There's already been a number of analysts sounding the alarms regarding an uncertain future for the company. That's not saying they're in danger of going bankrupt or any such nonsense, but who knows what the company will look like even 5 years out.

So the question is, if Valueact and other board members get their way with the XBox, what then? Will it be spun off into it's own company, relatively intact or simply sold? And if sold, to who? When the analysts started talking again about the Xbox division being sold recently, Samsung was the name most often thrown about.

I wouldn't write off the influence that ValueAct has over the company. It's already being speculated that they're the once who've forced Ballmer out, and they don't even have their board seat yet. And they'd just be adding their voices to the others that think the Xbox divisions money could be better spent on a more profitable division, but have been held in check by Ballmer over the years.

vigilante_man3899d ago

Samsung make great hardware. We could see amazing hardware from both Sony and Samsung.

We need competition, where ever it comes from. This summer has taught us that.

TheTwelve3899d ago

You're speaking too much sense too early on these pages, bro! As much as Xbox supporters say this is a Sony-site, you will see them come out to disagree with you on this!

Ripsta7th3899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

Xbox brand isnt dying anytime soon
@TheTwelve -you should be grateful he isnt right because if samsung takes over xbox its game over for sony Lol

Anon19743899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

No one says the XBox is dying. That's not what this is about. The problem that shareholders and others on the board had was how much the Xbox division was profiting compared to capital invested with other divisions.

To simplify what we're talking about there, If you have two different revenue streams going into two different divisions and one revenue stream is making you 20% return and the other 5% return, it just makes sense that you may consider switching both streams into the division making bigger returns. With Microsoft, there are a number of divisions which would produce more returns for that invested capital, which analysts and board members have been pointing out for years but were blocked by Ballmer.

ValueAct "sourcing investments in companies they believe to be fundamentally undervalued, and then working with management and the company's board to implement strategies that generate superior returns on invested capital." It's all about more bang for your buck, and any business would be foolish if it didn't reassess it's invested capital versus returns from time to time. If it were just ValueAct saying this, you could probably just ignore them, but this has been simmering well before ValueAct made their move.

It has nothing to do with the Xbox brand "dying" or even being in danger. The question is, could Microsoft be spending that money better elsewhere, and many have long thought they could but have been stopped by Ballmer who just presided over the worst quarter the company has seen in recent history. And now he's stepping down.

Edit: On a side note, I'm surprised no one has chimed in yet and said "But..but Sony!" Usually, you can't discuss a company's financials without someone trying to shift the conversation to Sony's ongoing troubles.

TheTwelve3899d ago

@Ripsta7th

--- It was supposedly "gameover" for Sony when Microsoft entered. I recall recommendations that people sell Sony stock when Halo 3 came out...

...and now we find ourselves here, today.

I'm not worried about Sony. They know how to battle.

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Deadpoolio3899d ago

I'm sorry I stopped reading after Valueact and considerable influence...When you have a 1% stake in a company you have NOTHING...Most companies don't even let 1% shareholders attend the meetings let alone would they ever even consider listening to anything that came out of a 1% stakeholder's mouth

creatchee3898d ago (Edited 3898d ago )

@TheTwelve

"--- It was supposedly "gameover" for Sony when Microsoft entered. I recall recommendations that people sell Sony stock when Halo 3 came out...

...and now we find ourselves here, today."

Halo 3 came out in September 2007. Sony's market cap was $54 billion in December 2007.

Today, Sony's market cap is $20.43 billion.

Selling Sony stock would have been an extremely good move if you did so before Halo 3 came out. Just saying.

TheSauce3898d ago

Samsung would probably love to buy xbox. They've always said that one of their goals is to have a step-up in the western market. Xbox is pretty much North America so buying them would be a huge bone for Samsung.

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kewlkat0073899d ago

" $2 billion in order to take over 1 percent stake"

Dayummm

Mystogan3898d ago

Microsoft selling their Xbox Division will never Happen. Its a multibillion dollar business, These guys are pretty dumb if they really think that.

PlayStation_43898d ago

Samsung may be a nice console hardware manufacturer

Eddie201013898d ago

Selling the Xbox division to another company would be the best thing to happen to the gaming industry. Still would have the competition without the take over the world attitude that Microsoft has.

hqgamez3898d ago

Sorry to break it, but its probably the truth. MS spends most of the money trying to market the game console everywhere and purchase exclusives and dlc because they want to hurt the others reps.
if you think back towards the gta iv dlc for 50 million, that is a bunch of money, deals like COD dlc 30 days is private because that is probably some 100million plus deal, fifa 14 on every X1 EU (EA must been paid!!)
they hope they can build a name by buying off stuff to bring the fans which is the wrong way. even tho they brought some in. it's not working. They believed they own this generation and introduced the Xbox One with policies that users will follow and become a cash king. This is probably where they hoped to dominate and flow cash. Now you see how that went.

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markbob3899d ago

Im sure MS will do exactly what Sony did and tell the "activist investor" to take a hike

lastofgen3899d ago

I agree.
I'm glad sony told the other guy off and I hope ms does the same with these new valueact people.

Prophet-Gamer3898d ago

MS isn't the same company as Sony and the implications of the two are different. MS makes a ton of money off of their Enterprise division with Windows, Xbox represents a tiny part of their revenues. If you look at it that way, selling off Xbox or spinning it off would be good for the company.

On the Sony side, PlayStation is one of the few profitable things inside Sony, they haven't made money in years. Iirc Loeb wanted to do was split the entertainment side from the hardware side which would have made him tons of money but pretty much destroyed Sony. Selling off Xbox wouldn't make so much as a dent in MS, in fact it may help them free up money to invest in their OS side. Splitting Playstation from Sony would have pretty much ended a good portion of Sony.

Thatguy-3103899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

"We've always had different competitors, we were in the space before Microsoft and we may be in the space after Microsoft,"
Like Sony said that they see competition come and go.
http://www.computerandvideo...

Belking3899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

I'm sure they said similar things about Samsung and Apple too...lol

n4rc3899d ago

1% doesnt hold much sway.. just because they have backing on one issue doesnt mean xbox is going anywhere

Anon19743899d ago (Edited 3899d ago )

It's more than just ValueAct though. Analysts, other board members and investors alike have long been mulling the value of the division to the overall company. The only reason that talk never went anywhere was because of Ballmer, and now he's stepping out. ValueAct would already be adding their voice to the voices already calling for this. And if the Xbox One doesn't meet expectations, you can be damn sure these voices are going to be heard with no Ballmer to protect the division.

It's already speculated that the reason Ballmer is stepping down was due to ValueAct looking to force him out otherwise. I wouldn't write off the impact they could potentially have on the company, especially when they aren't alone on the board in thinking that something better could be done with the money currently being invested into the Xbox.

Edit below: Are any of you even listening? This has nothing to do with Xbox not being successful. You all forget, they're being measured against the rest of Microsoft's divisions which are making obscene amounts of profit while they aren't. That's what this is all about. Microsoft getting the most bang for their buck.

thetruthx13899d ago

@darkride66 you sound silly Xbox ain't going nowhere except a bigger user base in near future

kewlkat0073899d ago

All the Xbox brand has seen is growth from one gen to the next..No longer in the red year-on-year.

What board member would not be happy..

tokugawa3898d ago (Edited 3898d ago )

edit forget it

gamer20133898d ago

Here's someone that wants to see MS leave the gaming industry.

Prophet-Gamer3898d ago

The amount of people disagreeing with you is insane. seems a lot of people put their fingers in their ears and refuse to listen. Apparently, some of the people on this site know better than top business analysts and billionaire investors.

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jukins3899d ago

whenever some investor with a lot of shares wants to sell off a division its always for the quick payout instead of trying to have money constantly trickling in over a long period. its sad thats how things work.

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7217h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle4h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18811h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio1h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga3h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21832h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga1h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1016h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos5h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac5h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1014h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos4h ago(Edited 4h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic2h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 13h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 11h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 8h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 1h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 3h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies23h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 11h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic21h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9020h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 12h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 12h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 9h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 11h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 11h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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