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Xbox One: Why We Can't Trust Microsoft

NowGamer: "With two major policy changes for the Xbox One, can we trust Microsoft and it's next-gen console?

You might’ve heard? Microsoft has, once again, u-turned on its much-criticised policies in a bid to make the Xbox One seemed like a more promising platform.

But can we trust a company that can so easily flip-flop on its previous strictly enforced? A company that can just as easily undo a concept the Xbox One was supposed hardwired to do as it can switch the lights on and off again?"

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NewMonday4357d ago

losing the next gen market share is inevitable, nothing they say will stop that unless they do a radical price drop to $350, or they can stay the course and try to slowly regain the market with a steady stream of exclusive games like the PS3 did.

MariaHelFutura4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

Flip flopping in the business world has serious consequences. The people running the show aren't impressed by all this, at all. It doesn't reflect well on their company and makes them look weak.

As for gamers... considering what MS tried to pull and considering how the PS4 matches up against the Xbox One, I see no reason for them to deserve your support right now.

mewhy324357d ago

I don't think that we can trust micro$oft in the long run. They tried to screw the gamers and treat them like they were stupid and couldn't do what they wanted with a product that they purchased with their hard earned money. I mean if I wanted sell the game, loan the game, give the game, then I should be able to. The only reason that they changed was because of money. NOT because it was the right thing to do. Dont be forgetting that xbone fans.

Hatsune-Miku4357d ago

no need for mass explanation. windows vista, windows 8 is ,xbox, xbox 360 and now xbox one. xbox was abandoned. xbox 360 with rrod, lack of exclusives, error messages disc read issue. xbox one with drm first then back tracking, abandoning the family share plan

MariaHelFutura4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

Yep. The FACT they took away the 'Family Share' when they didn't have to... is enough for them to not deserve to be trusted or supported. The took their ball and went home.

And let's be real about something.... Why should you trust them? They didn't trust you, that's what those policies basically broke down to. .

Cmk01214357d ago

nintendo started last gen awfully and still beat out the beloved ps3 and the evil xbox product..folks simmer down theres 8 years to go

hankmoody4357d ago

So let me get this straight. When Sony "listens" to their customers, it's a good move. When MS does the same, it's considered to be a sign of weakness. Am I correct?

And seriously, what exactly was this huge wrong that MS was trying to pull? The DRM thing? I think people had a problem with it because of the way it was presented. Everyone was confused. MS definitely dropped the ball in assuming that everyone would take to their new gaming enforcements, I'll admit that much but now they're taking all the necessary steps to make sure that gamers AND devs get what they want out of their next console. In my opinion, Sony also did a flip-flop on DRM, it just didn't happen in public. Having the advantage of presenting after MS at E3 gave them the leg up they needed to steal MS's thunder and make sure these policies were at the forefront of their presentation. It's all PR games.

Diver4357d ago

when ms wants to do something no matter how ridiculous they do it. lawsuits don't stop them either.

anybody that thinks they won't reimplement DRM is crazy for supporting them.

an any gamer that supports them is a threat to every other gamer.

Animal Mutha 764357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

Oh Maria

Your pro Sony self is going to love the RUMOR just up on Eurogamer regarding the amount of PS4 memory available to devs.

Karma

@Ron and Ezz2013 below - Yes chaps a rumor and I have edited my comment to reflect as much. Fair point. But it would be one in the eye for all those idiots who felt the need to rubbish the Xbox Ones memory allocations.

Ron_Danger4357d ago

@Animal

You mean the euro gamer article labeled "rumor"? The one who's source is an unnamed person? The article that goes against everything Sony and 3rd party / indie devs have been talking about since the reveal?

Ezz20134357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

@Animal Mutha 76

so i looked at that (RUMOR) article your talking about
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
this rumor say that the ps4 will use 5.5GB of ram for games and the rest for OS

Xbox1 Confirmed to use 5GB for games and the rest for the OS
http://www.gamesthirst.com/...

so it's about the same use of ram for both consoles THAT IF THE RUMOR TRUE

with ps4 have more use of ram for games
also ps4 still have the stronger/better/faster ram

so what karma ?!
and it also not confirmed yet from sony
it also just Rumor

gaffyh4357d ago

This is the bit here that is key:

"Self-publishing will happen, but not at launch. The ability to turn an Xbox One into a dev kit also won’t be available until a later date.

In other words, this is a panic move by Microsoft. It never planned for this sort of arrangement, it wasn’t part of the vision - in spite of what Whitten might say. It’s damage control and nothing else.

Mark Whitten told ShackNews that “this is a fundamental shift that needs to happen”, but if that was true surely Microsoft would have considered it from the start?"

MS are only doing this because of the backlash. Which would mean that everything we don't like from MS, we would have to continually get up in arms about it for them to do anything.

The difference at the moment is that they NEED you to buy their system. What do you think they would do when you've already bought the system? That is where the mistrust comes, it's been almost 4 years and MS has released hardly any exclusive titles for the 360. This is an example of when the DON'T NEED you to buy the system any more, and feel they can get away with doing the absolute minimum.

cleft54357d ago

Absolutely. I hated what they where trying to do and that disgusted me to the point of canceling my Xbox Live account. The thing is they are now planning on implementing those same restriction, just on digital content instead.

It's like they truly don't get it. They have a closed platform so they can actually afford to be a lot more consumer friendly without the fears of piracy that happens on the PC. Yes people pirated games on the Xbox 360, but that was such a small number of people that it hardly hurt anyone. Piracy is wrong, absolutely. It is equally wrong to treat everyone who is buying a Xbox One like a thief when maybe less than 5% of people where pirating games.

Truly Microsoft just doesn't get it. I can only hope that Julie Larson Green understand from a business perspective what all of Microsoft gaming execs like Marc Whidden failed to understand from a gamer perspective. If they ever come around than maybe a few years from now I will buy a Xbox One.

YNWA964357d ago

Maria, I did not see you post on the article about only 5.5g available on PS4. Whats going on?? Flip flops are not good you know. Also,I am sure MS would never want you on Xbox, it would severely impact credibility.

MariaHelFutura4357d ago

^^^

I just did and how is that relevant to this?

YNWA964357d ago

Oh, I am sorry. But why are you here on every MS story, but never on the Sony Story that kind of shows them backtracking, though unproven. It is relevant when you go everywhere and shoot your mouth, on every MS story you have thrown your PS4 specs, but now this is different? Your being responsible???

DoubleM704357d ago

I don't see that way. I think they introduced some policies the gaming public is not ready for that's all. When the next generation of Consoles come around and Sony implement these policy I wonder what you guys are going to be saying than.

miyamoto4357d ago

I say let 'em get the console they rightly deserve and learn from experience if they will ever learn, that is.

These die hard MS Xbox fans are supposed to be adults who knows what good and bad, right from wrong, there is no baby sitting these gamers who are gluttons for getting screwed.

They have been warned so many times so don't say no one cared.

Its their money they can spend on Xposed 720 all they want.

This public service message is for the open minded gamers out there who thinks rationally.

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dark-hollow4357d ago

Well they reversed their DRM rules and that was the major issue for me.

I went from "no way am buying it" to seriously considering getting it day one

RytGear4357d ago

This may be true but just because they have reversed it now doesn't mean that it could never come back. If the issue is fixed by a day one patch then the issue can be brought back just as easily.

dark-hollow4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

After the huge backlash and the pr disaster why in the hell they bring back the DRM?

It makes no financial sense at all. It's like sticking your hand in a fire ants hole, gets bitten, then try to stick your hand again expecting different results.

Blaze9294357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

@RytGear

Now you are just being paranoid. That has nothing to do with actual trust in someone/something. What you are saying doesn't even make sense and is just a "what-if" possibility based on nothing but fear...because you are paranoid.

"What if Microsoft increases Xbox LIVE fees again!?"

I mean, that could happen too. But you see where I'm going with this? We can list what-if situations that could happen next gen on Xbox One ALL NIGHT

I mean honestly people, the fact that you all REALLY think Kinect' purpose is to spy on you. hahaha oh lord. We've really come that far now!

ravinash4357d ago

It didn't make any sense to begine with, so I have no idea why MS thought it was a good idea.
It must have been a case of someone high up saying this is a good idea then a bunch of yes men agreeing with him.

All it would take is someone to suggest a small change, then think it would all be OK and then return the DRM it all kicks off again.

I don't expect them to...hopefully the people responcable have now gone. but thats not to say they might try other stuff.

I'm not saying that Sony have never made mistakes. But I do find their decisions are usally a little more customer focused rather than playing up for the business partners.

DigitalRaptor4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

@ dark-hollow

MS had to reverse the policies because of the consumer backlash they received and the negativity surrounding them. So what they learned was that consumers are strong willed when they want to be. All of this was such as strong vision of theirs. It's not difficult to suspect they'll try this again, when they hope we're all less cerebral about our consumer rights, when things have moved on in the digital space.

Trust goes both ways. When MS are treating you like a criminal and a fool before you've even bought their product, it shows they don't trust you and are punishing you before you've done anything wrong. That's the imbalanced basis behind any and all piracy prevention methods.

That is why they cannot be trusted.

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@ Blaze929

Sony didn't try to screw over their entire demographic. The hack was an attack on their services not a conscious decision.

Also, why would I trust a company that is going to be using the Kinect to listen in on conversations, and use other analytics to provide me with personalised dashboard ads, to no-one's benefit but MS's bottom line? http://www.sticktwiddlers.c...

Not to mention the disparity in focus on a gaming console.

DoubleM704357d ago

The DRM is not coming back unless Sony adopts the same policies Damn*. People are forgetting how much bad Press they got for it. Just relax and buy both systems.

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Blaze9294357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

Microsoft makes a product with visions and ideas they thought were great - turns out they weren't great, and they gave the people (consumers) what they wanted...twice.

Conclusion: Microsoft can't be "trusted"

Sony's network gets hacked across multiple services, a lot of private information leaked - was originally denied/kept on the low before news broke out.

Conclusion: Sony are teh GAWDS of gaming! I trust them with muh soul!

huh? Do you all see how silly this sounds? Gamers talking about TRUSTING a corporation? What does trust have to do with anything lol? They don't know us, give a damn about us, thus have no reason to trust us as consumers. But we trust them? Why?

To the people who trust Sony, why? Trust them in regards to what? What is trust? Trusting that they will deliver good games? But we can't trust Microsoft in regards to what again?

Maybe i'm missing the point but I just find this whole trust thing pretty damn funny. I mean really, how old are some of you "people"? I'm 21 and don't even think this naive about BUSINESSES.

MetalProxy4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

Trust?...Its funny you compare sony being hacked to Microsoft forcing DRM on you and not letting you sell your used games to anybody. Two different things but hey why bother explaining anything with a guy that really is a huge fan of MS...smh
Oh btw Microsoft is zGOD! Right?

McScroggz4357d ago

Honestly, we don't even need to start comparing incidents, compare vision. Microsoft wants an entertainment device whereas Sony wants a game console. Plain and simple. That is why, at the end of the day, a gamer should trust Sony and not Microsoft.

Obviously Sony wants to offer good entertainment value besides games just like Microsoft invested a ton of money in games, but as a gamer do you want a company focusing on games or one that is focusing on entertainment as a whole?

But as far as incidents, Sony got hacked. Certainly it's understandable to be concerned. But Microsoft tried to enact anti-consumer, restrictive policies. Sony's main problem came from an outside source, and honestly if somebody really wanted to hack Xbox Live I bet they could. Microsoft was the company behind their issues. So again, I'm much more willing to trust Sony over Microsoft.

So even without going into depth I ask you how you are missing the picture?

hankmoody4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

Here's my question:

Let's say this whole thing with the DRM never happened or both parties were down with the DRM program for the new consoles and gamers around the world accepted the new rules... whatever. My question is: Then what exactly would be the case to get a PS4 and what's so special about the PS4 that makes it the system to get? I haven't seen anything in terms of games worth getting excited about on the PS4 yet I keep hearing about how "Sony is all about the gamers!" Really? If I had to go on the case of games alone, I'd go with the XBox One most certainly because as far as I can tell, they have the better game lineup and that's not including multiplatform games.

pompombrum4357d ago

"Honestly, we don't even need to start comparing incidents, compare vision. Microsoft wants an entertainment device whereas Sony wants a game console. Plain and simple. That is why, at the end of the day, a gamer should trust Sony and not Microsoft. "

There.. nothing further needs to be added in the Sony vs Microsoft console war debate in my honest opinion.

XboxFun4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

@ aiBreeze

MS wants an entertainment device that plays games also. That is a fact. Funny that a lot of you seem to think that Sony isn't doing the same thing is hilarious. They also have an entertainment device that plays games and don't think the social/entertainment part won't be a main focus for the PS4.

But since you were spoon fed one ideology from the Sony PR and refuse to accept another you keep fooling yourselves that the PS4 will be for gaming only. They fed you exactly what you wanted to hear.

@Blaze
Agreed, +bubbles

MS corrected their mistakes, why can't they be trusted all of a sudden? After all the PS2 problems and lawsuits, super expensive launch of the PS3, Sony removing BC and half of the features, the hack, the many downtime and insane updates, paid multiplayer for PS+ after they said that multiplayer would always be free, people on this site are more willing to "trust" Sony.

Very funny.

@Hank
There is no reason except for personal preference. It's that some of the fanboy folks here are losing ground because both consoles are becoming more and more similar. They are desperately trying to find anything to hold up and throw in the other face. First it was DRM, then it was Self Publishing, then it was RAM. Now all they seem to have is "forced" Kinect, which is laughable because its one of the main appeals to the system that does separate it from the rest.

People are afraid of change. They complained about the WiiU, no one wanted a controller with a screen on it, they complained about the Kinect 2, no one wants a device that may enhance their gaming experience. Same old, same old...unless of course their trusted company comes out with it.

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Retroman4357d ago

"WHY CANT WE TRUST MICROSOFT"

Cant think of one reason why i should.
x1 is a sinking battleship trying to float with strict policies as a hole. sorry MS your peg is corrupted,this damn thing might have RROD waiting to happen.
nothing they say or do will save x1 now DREAMCAST say hello.

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WarThunder4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

I never Trust M$ and Apple and never brought their overpriced products...

Never Trust Murican companies.

Hicken4357d ago

I don't agree with that. But there ARE companies I have very little trust in. Microsoft is one of them.

Apple is... well, they're full of themselves, but to my knowledge, I haven't heard the type of lies out of them that I hear from Microsoft. Then again, I don't really deal with them at all, so...

Aceman184357d ago

I bought both the Xbox (which I loved), and the 360 which I barely touched these last few years. I won't be buying the X1, they tried to take my consumer rights with their bullcrap and I'm going to speak with my wallet.

NO Purchase.

WarThunder4357d ago

True.. Only a ignorant halfwit can disagree with you...

2cents4357d ago

It's clear most of you will never be happy. No matter what ms change, improve or add you will move onto something else to moan about.

Since E3 there has been nothing but positive things happening at camp MS. Every change and piece of info from MS has been to bring the console in line with what the public are asking for. They still have to retain some control over what the One can and can't do based on the original offering that was so bady conveyed and received.

There are so many repeat offenders on this site crapping over every MS based article that it's getting to the point of complete idiocy.

I want both but some of these Sony loving puppets are actually making me want the PS4 to fail just so that these cancerous fanboys can just shut the hell up.

Your not doing any favours to the real gamers out there who are getting tarred with the same brush as the idiot fanboys who are so blindly spouting hatred towards others.

I hope gamescom smacks you haters right in the face.

greenlantern28144357d ago

can anyone trust any corporation. the only people any corporation wants to please are their primary stock holders. this is not just a gaming industry thing every corporation makes decisions on what they think is best for business.
as far as consoles go ps4 will reclaim its top spot in sales followed by either wiiu or xb1. ms has lost some of its fans and it has nothing to do with xb1 at all. has a lot to do with the fact that some 360 owners fell ms abandoned them after the kinect came out.

3-4-54357d ago

The thing with XB1, if they price drop at any point, Sony still has advantage.

XB1 - $500 - With a $50 price drop is only at $450

PS4 - @ $400 - With a $50 price drop is at $350.

XB1 has to drop price by $150 just to compete with a $50 price drop with PS4.

That is beyond huge in terms of price advantage and how that plays into profit.

If XB1 ever catches up, Sony forces this price drop on them.

They either adapt or risk costing $150 more than the competition.

Sony has positioned themselves well for not only now, but for the next 5-7 years.

XB1 CAN'T overcome that unless they sell at a huge loss. Like they would be losing $100-$150 on every console type of loss.

No doom and gloom as XB1 will be fine, but it's still something that needs to be looked at.

nosferatuzodd4357d ago

ha ha good luck with that this is microsoft we're talking about have you seen 360 lately no new ip for years

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Ezz20134357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

I will say this and i know some won't like it
a Company that come out in E3 and shove a huge amount of Stupid lame polices and stupid price
and their excuse is "That's our vision and you will love it "
and then Backtrack their so called "Vision" and flip flop on it like that and then tell you somethig like "this was our vision"
That Tell you to never trust a Company like that
something like DRM that you will have to download an update on your xbox1 to remove it
they can easliy put it back again after they get enough sales
and on top of that they give you weaker console than the rival and with higer price than the rival

i don't trust any company BTW
but if i start to trust one of those
MS would be the least i would trust

Ezz20134357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

nice replay /s
so what part in my comment was wrong ?!

blackmanone4357d ago

Ezzz2013, you made too much sense for starters.

Blaze9294357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

"something like DRM that you will have to download an update on your xbox1 to remove it
they can easliy put it back again after they get enough sales "

ahhh I get it. So now gaming has turned into Conspiracy Theories. Perfect.

Sure, MS COULD put it back. Sure, MS COULD instantly stop making games. Sure MS COULD just change the Xbox One into a TV tuner when they get enough sales. Hey, they COULD even be lying about the Xbox One even being an Xbox! They COULD even drop the price of an Xbox One to $299 by December!

Too many anomalies, MS is not to be trusted!

But in the same boat, Mr Conspiracy - why can't Sony just update the PS4 with DRM after they get enough sales? What's stopping that idea from popping up in your head as a "possibility"?

After all, Sony didn't apply for that RFID DRM patent just because they were bored no? Ahhh, mind blown now huh?

WHO CAN WE TRUST!?!?!?! OBAMA HELP! Because if anyone, we can surely trust our government!

Ezz20134357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

"""But in the same boat, Mr Conspiracy - why can't Sony just update the PS4 with DRM after they get enough sales? What's stopping that idea from popping up in your head as a "possibility"?" ""

because they never in first place put it in Ps4 and ps4 is not made with it in mind
while xbox1 was made with DRM in mind which is why you need to remove it with an update

"""After all, Sony didn't apply for that RFID DRM patent just because they were bored no? Ahhh, mind blown now huh? """

sony did that patent before ps3 was out
but never used it and they will never use it on any of it consoles

DigitalRaptor4357d ago (Edited 4357d ago )

Enough with the apologetics.

Sony didn't build and engineer their console around DRM, always-online restrictions, nor did they restrict games to digital, thus having control of your purchases.

Microsoft did. That was and still is their end-goal, but that goal could not be achieved this generation as they would've lost too much market share and profit by not "flipping the switch", at least at launch.

A company that provides their customers with 60+ games a year for less than the price of a new game, I think that deserves my trust over a company with a track record like MS with repeated privacy invasions, charging gamers for free applications and Peer 2 Peer connectivity, the pervasive sense of disrespect shown towards these consumers, and their inability to be upfront about anything. For gaming and as a consumer, Sony deserves my trust. Microsoft deserves no-one's.

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‘I think Xbox hardware is dead’, says Microsoft gaming veteran

One of the founding members of the Xbox team has questioned Microsoft’s multiplatform gaming strategy, and said they believe the Xbox hardware business is effectively “dead"

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Goodguy011d 5h ago

Think that rumor that they'll still make a new console but at a profit at $1000 will be true though. The series consoles will remain their cheap alternative throughout next gen I would say. Keep in mind that game pass and pretty much going 3rd party is their main focus. They want to bring xbox everywhere.

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GamerRN9h ago

If they don't maintain some kind of console presence, I think they will lose gamepass subscribers and just become a 3rd party publisher who eventually sells everything off

Cacabunga8h ago

Xbox games are releasing on all platforms. Who needs this hardware? PS or PC is all you need

Flewid6386h ago

I've never owned an Xbox in my life and I have GamePass.

thorstein5h ago

The only Xbox I owned was the 360. I have gamepass for my PC.

GamerRN55m ago

Majority of Gamepass users are currently on console...

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crazyCoconuts7h ago

Even if they could get it down to $800 for a box that can run with comparable performance to a PS6 (at, say $200 cheaper) the population of people willing to buy such a thing would be so limited.
It would be the worst of both worlds.

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Futureshark18h ago

A slow, painful and public death too.

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Looming Xbox layoffs threaten Microsoft's reputation

Even as the company sets out to overhaul the very definition of Xbox, cuts at its studios risk creating a negative image reminiscent of EA's worst era

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Jingsing3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

I appreciate the article but this guy must be living in a delayed universe, The reputation was ruined 10+ years ago and hasn't recovered since. As such people have voted with their wallets and stopped buying Xbox products in large amounts.

YourMommySpoils2d ago

Their reputation was lost way before that. From the moment Microsoft said they entering the console business, we all knew it would be a downgrade.

Bathyj1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

That's not true at all the OG Xbox had drive and they had hunger and they wanted to accomplish something. It was a great console.

they didn't quite reach their goals and they gave up prematurely because they couldn't win. It was halfway through the Xbox 360 when kinect released and that was when they lost their way and we're a rudderless ship ever since

Agent751d 11h ago

In all fairness, Xbox had some great games with online play, Xbox 360 even better. Xbox consoles started to die with the Xbox One. Ditch consoles for the PC and PS.

YourMommySpoils1d 3h ago

@Bathyj hard to compute ay. Xbox was never better than a PC and that's all they ever were. A demo box. Doesn't get more true than that.

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isarai3d ago

What reputation is this threatening exactly? 😂

Lightning773d ago

Rumors of Turn 10 being either shut down or hit with massive lay offs is on the horizon.

The issue is MS will do something right only to do something very, very wrong. And they do this what seems calculative at this point. Doesn't matter what they do the Investors and leadership want more and more money an endless bottomless pit of purr insatiable greed. A company that acts like it's broke or hurting is what really, really infuriates me. They've surpassed apple again well over 3 trillion who acts like they're a million dollar company is fk stupid. Pivots and changes for no reason and can't do things for more than a year with out a pivot or changing their metrics.

Christopher2d ago

That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest.

1Victor2d ago

@christopher: “ That would be really bad since Phil just hyped up next year as a big Forza year at Summer Game Fest”
The key word big can be ether good or bad 🤷🏿only time can tell

DarXyde2d ago

First Forza being generated entirely via AI?

If any company would do it, it'd be them.

Nacho_Z1d 19h ago

Isn't the point that it's irrelevant how profitable MS is, the suits have decided it's time that the Xbox division started making them money. Hence the layoffs, the pivots.

hennessey861d 14h ago

That wouldn't surprise me, as motorsport has been heading down hill since the great number 4. Where as playground have consistently put out better games. I think the two studios will be merged under playground games banner.

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Microsoft planning “major” Xbox layoffs next week

The cuts are expected to be announced next week.

Microsoft is also planning thousands of job cuts that will impact other parts of it businesses

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

MFs has been beating their chests over great quarterly results and big profits to shareholders while firing people by the thousands just like Sony.

I wonder if at the top of those rumored layoffs they´ll also cancel upcoming or unannounced games while shutting down more studios as well.

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pwnmaster30006d ago

Always got to throw shade at Sony smh.
Yes we get it,
MS good Sony bad
MS bad Sony is also bad lmao

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Obscure_Observer6d ago

F* them both!

Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares.

blacktiger6d ago

He was talking about both. Why you getting offended when he's using both names

pwnmaster30006d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Blacktiger

Im not offended , that’s just his formula lol
He can’t help help himself, he needs to bring Sony down when the topic involves MS.
Whether is good news for MS or bad, it some how leads to Sony doing bad lmao.
It’s actually hilarious.

InUrFoxHole6d ago

He's not wrong but im tracking what youre saying. In this case is should just be MS bad. Thats a lot of people fired

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Tacoboto6d ago

"just like Sony"

Gosh you're insufferable, not everything needs to be both-sides'd. Sony's had layoffs, but nothing like what Microsoft has been doing and is continuing to do.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

I mean, no offense, but this is why you’re not some corporate business person running a major corporation. Big profits don’t mean jobs are safe. Do you understand why things like this happen:

Cutting jobs to maintain or increase profitability, especially in underperforming divisions like parts of Xbox like other gaming divisions.

Corporate restructuring and relocating resources for strategic stability in ever changing markets and consumer behaviors.

Investor expectations and optimizing operations to maintain investor confidence. Whatever boosts stock prices and improves future margins.

And there’s many other factors at play. It’s never as simple as business doing well, everyone’s safe. That’s just you not understanding at all how corporations work and have been working since the beginning. This isn’t something that’s specific to Xbox, you can bet your ass Sony and Nintendo do this and if it’s not clear by now, game development is not a stable job nor has it ever been for many. A lot of developers are contractors and guess what happens when a project is done?

Ganif6d ago

Nintendo said they have no plans for layoffs, and you can't seriously claim that the scale of Sony's layoffs most of which involved Bungie which is self managed as even close to the same scale as what Microsoft has done since they purchased Zenimax. And that significantly less layoffs would have happened if those publishers had stayed independent. Keep in mind that much of these layoffs have been due to redundancies specifically related to these buyouts.

CrimsonWing696d ago (Edited 6d ago )

@Ganif

Nintendo:

https://gamerant.com/ninten...

Sony:

https://gamerant.com/playst...

https://techxplore.com/news...

I don’t think it’s realistic to treat Sony’s layoffs as somehow outside the norm for the industry right now. Even if Bungie is self-managed, Sony’s cuts went far beyond that like Naughty Dog, Insomniac, London Studio being shut down completely, and multiple teams across the globe took hits. These weren’t just minor adjustments.

Nintendo, I had to look up and you’re right. They seem to be an outlier, but rest assured at some point it happens. And even then there’s been layoffs, albeit a smaller amount and contractors.

Would fewer layoffs have happened if studios from acquisitions stayed independent? Maybe. But even independents have been hit hard and look at what’s happened with Embracer’s fallout, or smaller devs like Digic, Roll7, or Volition. This isn’t just a “Microsoft problem” or strictly tied to acquisitions; it’s a broader correction happening across the whole industry, and unfortunately, layoffs are a big part of that process right now.

Ganif6d ago

From your article:

"According to reports, Nintendo of America restructured its testing operations, leading to layoffs of about 120 contractors, part of a strategy for global integration.

Nintendo of America, publisher of iconic franchises like Mario and Zelda, is shifting some contractors to full-time roles for better development integration."

Contractors are not employees, and even if you want to count them as that, it's 120 people vs around 7500 since Microsoft purchased Zenimax.

In an era of game industry layoffs, Nintendo is hiring more people
https://automaton-media.com...

Nintendo Announces 10 Percent Pay Raise For Devs Despite Lower Profits
https://kotaku.com/nintendo...

Nintendo CEO’s refusal to layoff staff goes viral following industry-wide cuts
"Satoru Iwata took pay cuts to ensure staff didn’t have to be let go"
https://www.nme.com/news/ga...

And as for Sony you're comparing less than 1000 total jobs to an estimated7500

Has the industry faced layoffs, yes, but that still doesn't account for the mass layoffs due to redundancies that was easily predictable, or that fact that at least 1/3 of Microsoft's layoffs and studio closures happened before the industry downturn.

thorstein6d ago (Edited 6d ago )

Take the L, Crimson.

People hate Nintendo, but Ganif proved why they deserve support.

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-Foxtrot6d ago

It's like banging your head off a wall, he just can't help himself.

Microsoft can do no wrong, Sony sucks at everything and Nintendo is bigged up because it's less hassle than trying to defend Microsoft all the time

What's going to happen when Microsoft finally turn completely third party, then what?

anast6d ago

I enjoy Obscure. Obscure does good work.

crazyCoconuts6d ago

Did you know that the first n4g was designed to be a perfect human world? Where none suffered, where everyone would be happy. It was a disaster. No one would accept the program.

Tacoboto6d ago

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if anast and osbcure were both alts for the Admin.

We know how Obscure especially drums up additional comments and clicks with his spam-worthy remarks that somehow never get moderated

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Profchaos6d ago

Thats business present a strong front to your shareholders while your company burns around you.

Keep shareholders happy at all costs andnif not happy keep them numb to the reality of you organisation

Angyobangyo5d ago

" Just for the record, I don´t care about your victim complex crap either. Find someone else who cares. "

Just for the record, you clearly you do if you have to vent this hard.

TheExecutioner5d ago

Basically you think like kids when it come to choose between candy or chocolate.

Sonic18815d ago (Edited 5d ago )

Are you and Anast the same person?

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