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Xbox One: Why We Can't Trust Microsoft

NowGamer: "With two major policy changes for the Xbox One, can we trust Microsoft and it's next-gen console?

You might’ve heard? Microsoft has, once again, u-turned on its much-criticised policies in a bid to make the Xbox One seemed like a more promising platform.

But can we trust a company that can so easily flip-flop on its previous strictly enforced? A company that can just as easily undo a concept the Xbox One was supposed hardwired to do as it can switch the lights on and off again?"

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NewMonday3934d ago

losing the next gen market share is inevitable, nothing they say will stop that unless they do a radical price drop to $350, or they can stay the course and try to slowly regain the market with a steady stream of exclusive games like the PS3 did.

MariaHelFutura3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

Flip flopping in the business world has serious consequences. The people running the show aren't impressed by all this, at all. It doesn't reflect well on their company and makes them look weak.

As for gamers... considering what MS tried to pull and considering how the PS4 matches up against the Xbox One, I see no reason for them to deserve your support right now.

mewhy323934d ago

I don't think that we can trust micro$oft in the long run. They tried to screw the gamers and treat them like they were stupid and couldn't do what they wanted with a product that they purchased with their hard earned money. I mean if I wanted sell the game, loan the game, give the game, then I should be able to. The only reason that they changed was because of money. NOT because it was the right thing to do. Dont be forgetting that xbone fans.

Hatsune-Miku3934d ago

no need for mass explanation. windows vista, windows 8 is ,xbox, xbox 360 and now xbox one. xbox was abandoned. xbox 360 with rrod, lack of exclusives, error messages disc read issue. xbox one with drm first then back tracking, abandoning the family share plan

MariaHelFutura3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

Yep. The FACT they took away the 'Family Share' when they didn't have to... is enough for them to not deserve to be trusted or supported. The took their ball and went home.

And let's be real about something.... Why should you trust them? They didn't trust you, that's what those policies basically broke down to. .

Cmk01213934d ago

nintendo started last gen awfully and still beat out the beloved ps3 and the evil xbox product..folks simmer down theres 8 years to go

hankmoody3934d ago

So let me get this straight. When Sony "listens" to their customers, it's a good move. When MS does the same, it's considered to be a sign of weakness. Am I correct?

And seriously, what exactly was this huge wrong that MS was trying to pull? The DRM thing? I think people had a problem with it because of the way it was presented. Everyone was confused. MS definitely dropped the ball in assuming that everyone would take to their new gaming enforcements, I'll admit that much but now they're taking all the necessary steps to make sure that gamers AND devs get what they want out of their next console. In my opinion, Sony also did a flip-flop on DRM, it just didn't happen in public. Having the advantage of presenting after MS at E3 gave them the leg up they needed to steal MS's thunder and make sure these policies were at the forefront of their presentation. It's all PR games.

Diver3934d ago

when ms wants to do something no matter how ridiculous they do it. lawsuits don't stop them either.

anybody that thinks they won't reimplement DRM is crazy for supporting them.

an any gamer that supports them is a threat to every other gamer.

Animal Mutha 763934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

Oh Maria

Your pro Sony self is going to love the RUMOR just up on Eurogamer regarding the amount of PS4 memory available to devs.

Karma

@Ron and Ezz2013 below - Yes chaps a rumor and I have edited my comment to reflect as much. Fair point. But it would be one in the eye for all those idiots who felt the need to rubbish the Xbox Ones memory allocations.

Ron_Danger3934d ago

@Animal

You mean the euro gamer article labeled "rumor"? The one who's source is an unnamed person? The article that goes against everything Sony and 3rd party / indie devs have been talking about since the reveal?

Ezz20133934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

@Animal Mutha 76

so i looked at that (RUMOR) article your talking about
http://www.eurogamer.net/ar...
this rumor say that the ps4 will use 5.5GB of ram for games and the rest for OS

Xbox1 Confirmed to use 5GB for games and the rest for the OS
http://www.gamesthirst.com/...

so it's about the same use of ram for both consoles THAT IF THE RUMOR TRUE

with ps4 have more use of ram for games
also ps4 still have the stronger/better/faster ram

so what karma ?!
and it also not confirmed yet from sony
it also just Rumor

gaffyh3934d ago

This is the bit here that is key:

"Self-publishing will happen, but not at launch. The ability to turn an Xbox One into a dev kit also won’t be available until a later date.

In other words, this is a panic move by Microsoft. It never planned for this sort of arrangement, it wasn’t part of the vision - in spite of what Whitten might say. It’s damage control and nothing else.

Mark Whitten told ShackNews that “this is a fundamental shift that needs to happen”, but if that was true surely Microsoft would have considered it from the start?"

MS are only doing this because of the backlash. Which would mean that everything we don't like from MS, we would have to continually get up in arms about it for them to do anything.

The difference at the moment is that they NEED you to buy their system. What do you think they would do when you've already bought the system? That is where the mistrust comes, it's been almost 4 years and MS has released hardly any exclusive titles for the 360. This is an example of when the DON'T NEED you to buy the system any more, and feel they can get away with doing the absolute minimum.

cleft53934d ago

Absolutely. I hated what they where trying to do and that disgusted me to the point of canceling my Xbox Live account. The thing is they are now planning on implementing those same restriction, just on digital content instead.

It's like they truly don't get it. They have a closed platform so they can actually afford to be a lot more consumer friendly without the fears of piracy that happens on the PC. Yes people pirated games on the Xbox 360, but that was such a small number of people that it hardly hurt anyone. Piracy is wrong, absolutely. It is equally wrong to treat everyone who is buying a Xbox One like a thief when maybe less than 5% of people where pirating games.

Truly Microsoft just doesn't get it. I can only hope that Julie Larson Green understand from a business perspective what all of Microsoft gaming execs like Marc Whidden failed to understand from a gamer perspective. If they ever come around than maybe a few years from now I will buy a Xbox One.

YNWA963934d ago

Maria, I did not see you post on the article about only 5.5g available on PS4. Whats going on?? Flip flops are not good you know. Also,I am sure MS would never want you on Xbox, it would severely impact credibility.

MariaHelFutura3934d ago

^^^

I just did and how is that relevant to this?

YNWA963934d ago

Oh, I am sorry. But why are you here on every MS story, but never on the Sony Story that kind of shows them backtracking, though unproven. It is relevant when you go everywhere and shoot your mouth, on every MS story you have thrown your PS4 specs, but now this is different? Your being responsible???

DoubleM703934d ago

I don't see that way. I think they introduced some policies the gaming public is not ready for that's all. When the next generation of Consoles come around and Sony implement these policy I wonder what you guys are going to be saying than.

miyamoto3934d ago

I say let 'em get the console they rightly deserve and learn from experience if they will ever learn, that is.

These die hard MS Xbox fans are supposed to be adults who knows what good and bad, right from wrong, there is no baby sitting these gamers who are gluttons for getting screwed.

They have been warned so many times so don't say no one cared.

Its their money they can spend on Xposed 720 all they want.

This public service message is for the open minded gamers out there who thinks rationally.

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dark-hollow3934d ago

Well they reversed their DRM rules and that was the major issue for me.

I went from "no way am buying it" to seriously considering getting it day one

RytGear3934d ago

This may be true but just because they have reversed it now doesn't mean that it could never come back. If the issue is fixed by a day one patch then the issue can be brought back just as easily.

dark-hollow3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

After the huge backlash and the pr disaster why in the hell they bring back the DRM?

It makes no financial sense at all. It's like sticking your hand in a fire ants hole, gets bitten, then try to stick your hand again expecting different results.

Blaze9293934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

@RytGear

Now you are just being paranoid. That has nothing to do with actual trust in someone/something. What you are saying doesn't even make sense and is just a "what-if" possibility based on nothing but fear...because you are paranoid.

"What if Microsoft increases Xbox LIVE fees again!?"

I mean, that could happen too. But you see where I'm going with this? We can list what-if situations that could happen next gen on Xbox One ALL NIGHT

I mean honestly people, the fact that you all REALLY think Kinect' purpose is to spy on you. hahaha oh lord. We've really come that far now!

ravinash3934d ago

It didn't make any sense to begine with, so I have no idea why MS thought it was a good idea.
It must have been a case of someone high up saying this is a good idea then a bunch of yes men agreeing with him.

All it would take is someone to suggest a small change, then think it would all be OK and then return the DRM it all kicks off again.

I don't expect them to...hopefully the people responcable have now gone. but thats not to say they might try other stuff.

I'm not saying that Sony have never made mistakes. But I do find their decisions are usally a little more customer focused rather than playing up for the business partners.

DigitalRaptor3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

@ dark-hollow

MS had to reverse the policies because of the consumer backlash they received and the negativity surrounding them. So what they learned was that consumers are strong willed when they want to be. All of this was such as strong vision of theirs. It's not difficult to suspect they'll try this again, when they hope we're all less cerebral about our consumer rights, when things have moved on in the digital space.

Trust goes both ways. When MS are treating you like a criminal and a fool before you've even bought their product, it shows they don't trust you and are punishing you before you've done anything wrong. That's the imbalanced basis behind any and all piracy prevention methods.

That is why they cannot be trusted.

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@ Blaze929

Sony didn't try to screw over their entire demographic. The hack was an attack on their services not a conscious decision.

Also, why would I trust a company that is going to be using the Kinect to listen in on conversations, and use other analytics to provide me with personalised dashboard ads, to no-one's benefit but MS's bottom line? http://www.sticktwiddlers.c...

Not to mention the disparity in focus on a gaming console.

DoubleM703934d ago

The DRM is not coming back unless Sony adopts the same policies Damn*. People are forgetting how much bad Press they got for it. Just relax and buy both systems.

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Blaze9293934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

Microsoft makes a product with visions and ideas they thought were great - turns out they weren't great, and they gave the people (consumers) what they wanted...twice.

Conclusion: Microsoft can't be "trusted"

Sony's network gets hacked across multiple services, a lot of private information leaked - was originally denied/kept on the low before news broke out.

Conclusion: Sony are teh GAWDS of gaming! I trust them with muh soul!

huh? Do you all see how silly this sounds? Gamers talking about TRUSTING a corporation? What does trust have to do with anything lol? They don't know us, give a damn about us, thus have no reason to trust us as consumers. But we trust them? Why?

To the people who trust Sony, why? Trust them in regards to what? What is trust? Trusting that they will deliver good games? But we can't trust Microsoft in regards to what again?

Maybe i'm missing the point but I just find this whole trust thing pretty damn funny. I mean really, how old are some of you "people"? I'm 21 and don't even think this naive about BUSINESSES.

MetalProxy3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

Trust?...Its funny you compare sony being hacked to Microsoft forcing DRM on you and not letting you sell your used games to anybody. Two different things but hey why bother explaining anything with a guy that really is a huge fan of MS...smh
Oh btw Microsoft is zGOD! Right?

McScroggz3934d ago

Honestly, we don't even need to start comparing incidents, compare vision. Microsoft wants an entertainment device whereas Sony wants a game console. Plain and simple. That is why, at the end of the day, a gamer should trust Sony and not Microsoft.

Obviously Sony wants to offer good entertainment value besides games just like Microsoft invested a ton of money in games, but as a gamer do you want a company focusing on games or one that is focusing on entertainment as a whole?

But as far as incidents, Sony got hacked. Certainly it's understandable to be concerned. But Microsoft tried to enact anti-consumer, restrictive policies. Sony's main problem came from an outside source, and honestly if somebody really wanted to hack Xbox Live I bet they could. Microsoft was the company behind their issues. So again, I'm much more willing to trust Sony over Microsoft.

So even without going into depth I ask you how you are missing the picture?

hankmoody3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

Here's my question:

Let's say this whole thing with the DRM never happened or both parties were down with the DRM program for the new consoles and gamers around the world accepted the new rules... whatever. My question is: Then what exactly would be the case to get a PS4 and what's so special about the PS4 that makes it the system to get? I haven't seen anything in terms of games worth getting excited about on the PS4 yet I keep hearing about how "Sony is all about the gamers!" Really? If I had to go on the case of games alone, I'd go with the XBox One most certainly because as far as I can tell, they have the better game lineup and that's not including multiplatform games.

pompombrum3934d ago

"Honestly, we don't even need to start comparing incidents, compare vision. Microsoft wants an entertainment device whereas Sony wants a game console. Plain and simple. That is why, at the end of the day, a gamer should trust Sony and not Microsoft. "

There.. nothing further needs to be added in the Sony vs Microsoft console war debate in my honest opinion.

XboxFun3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

@ aiBreeze

MS wants an entertainment device that plays games also. That is a fact. Funny that a lot of you seem to think that Sony isn't doing the same thing is hilarious. They also have an entertainment device that plays games and don't think the social/entertainment part won't be a main focus for the PS4.

But since you were spoon fed one ideology from the Sony PR and refuse to accept another you keep fooling yourselves that the PS4 will be for gaming only. They fed you exactly what you wanted to hear.

@Blaze
Agreed, +bubbles

MS corrected their mistakes, why can't they be trusted all of a sudden? After all the PS2 problems and lawsuits, super expensive launch of the PS3, Sony removing BC and half of the features, the hack, the many downtime and insane updates, paid multiplayer for PS+ after they said that multiplayer would always be free, people on this site are more willing to "trust" Sony.

Very funny.

@Hank
There is no reason except for personal preference. It's that some of the fanboy folks here are losing ground because both consoles are becoming more and more similar. They are desperately trying to find anything to hold up and throw in the other face. First it was DRM, then it was Self Publishing, then it was RAM. Now all they seem to have is "forced" Kinect, which is laughable because its one of the main appeals to the system that does separate it from the rest.

People are afraid of change. They complained about the WiiU, no one wanted a controller with a screen on it, they complained about the Kinect 2, no one wants a device that may enhance their gaming experience. Same old, same old...unless of course their trusted company comes out with it.

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Retroman3934d ago

"WHY CANT WE TRUST MICROSOFT"

Cant think of one reason why i should.
x1 is a sinking battleship trying to float with strict policies as a hole. sorry MS your peg is corrupted,this damn thing might have RROD waiting to happen.
nothing they say or do will save x1 now DREAMCAST say hello.

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WarThunder3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

I never Trust M$ and Apple and never brought their overpriced products...

Never Trust Murican companies.

Hicken3934d ago

I don't agree with that. But there ARE companies I have very little trust in. Microsoft is one of them.

Apple is... well, they're full of themselves, but to my knowledge, I haven't heard the type of lies out of them that I hear from Microsoft. Then again, I don't really deal with them at all, so...

Aceman183934d ago

I bought both the Xbox (which I loved), and the 360 which I barely touched these last few years. I won't be buying the X1, they tried to take my consumer rights with their bullcrap and I'm going to speak with my wallet.

NO Purchase.

WarThunder3934d ago

True.. Only a ignorant halfwit can disagree with you...

2cents3934d ago

It's clear most of you will never be happy. No matter what ms change, improve or add you will move onto something else to moan about.

Since E3 there has been nothing but positive things happening at camp MS. Every change and piece of info from MS has been to bring the console in line with what the public are asking for. They still have to retain some control over what the One can and can't do based on the original offering that was so bady conveyed and received.

There are so many repeat offenders on this site crapping over every MS based article that it's getting to the point of complete idiocy.

I want both but some of these Sony loving puppets are actually making me want the PS4 to fail just so that these cancerous fanboys can just shut the hell up.

Your not doing any favours to the real gamers out there who are getting tarred with the same brush as the idiot fanboys who are so blindly spouting hatred towards others.

I hope gamescom smacks you haters right in the face.

greenlantern28143934d ago

can anyone trust any corporation. the only people any corporation wants to please are their primary stock holders. this is not just a gaming industry thing every corporation makes decisions on what they think is best for business.
as far as consoles go ps4 will reclaim its top spot in sales followed by either wiiu or xb1. ms has lost some of its fans and it has nothing to do with xb1 at all. has a lot to do with the fact that some 360 owners fell ms abandoned them after the kinect came out.

3-4-53934d ago

The thing with XB1, if they price drop at any point, Sony still has advantage.

XB1 - $500 - With a $50 price drop is only at $450

PS4 - @ $400 - With a $50 price drop is at $350.

XB1 has to drop price by $150 just to compete with a $50 price drop with PS4.

That is beyond huge in terms of price advantage and how that plays into profit.

If XB1 ever catches up, Sony forces this price drop on them.

They either adapt or risk costing $150 more than the competition.

Sony has positioned themselves well for not only now, but for the next 5-7 years.

XB1 CAN'T overcome that unless they sell at a huge loss. Like they would be losing $100-$150 on every console type of loss.

No doom and gloom as XB1 will be fine, but it's still something that needs to be looked at.

nosferatuzodd3934d ago

ha ha good luck with that this is microsoft we're talking about have you seen 360 lately no new ip for years

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Ezz20133934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

I will say this and i know some won't like it
a Company that come out in E3 and shove a huge amount of Stupid lame polices and stupid price
and their excuse is "That's our vision and you will love it "
and then Backtrack their so called "Vision" and flip flop on it like that and then tell you somethig like "this was our vision"
That Tell you to never trust a Company like that
something like DRM that you will have to download an update on your xbox1 to remove it
they can easliy put it back again after they get enough sales
and on top of that they give you weaker console than the rival and with higer price than the rival

i don't trust any company BTW
but if i start to trust one of those
MS would be the least i would trust

Ezz20133934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

nice replay /s
so what part in my comment was wrong ?!

blackmanone3934d ago

Ezzz2013, you made too much sense for starters.

Blaze9293934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

"something like DRM that you will have to download an update on your xbox1 to remove it
they can easliy put it back again after they get enough sales "

ahhh I get it. So now gaming has turned into Conspiracy Theories. Perfect.

Sure, MS COULD put it back. Sure, MS COULD instantly stop making games. Sure MS COULD just change the Xbox One into a TV tuner when they get enough sales. Hey, they COULD even be lying about the Xbox One even being an Xbox! They COULD even drop the price of an Xbox One to $299 by December!

Too many anomalies, MS is not to be trusted!

But in the same boat, Mr Conspiracy - why can't Sony just update the PS4 with DRM after they get enough sales? What's stopping that idea from popping up in your head as a "possibility"?

After all, Sony didn't apply for that RFID DRM patent just because they were bored no? Ahhh, mind blown now huh?

WHO CAN WE TRUST!?!?!?! OBAMA HELP! Because if anyone, we can surely trust our government!

Ezz20133934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

"""But in the same boat, Mr Conspiracy - why can't Sony just update the PS4 with DRM after they get enough sales? What's stopping that idea from popping up in your head as a "possibility"?" ""

because they never in first place put it in Ps4 and ps4 is not made with it in mind
while xbox1 was made with DRM in mind which is why you need to remove it with an update

"""After all, Sony didn't apply for that RFID DRM patent just because they were bored no? Ahhh, mind blown now huh? """

sony did that patent before ps3 was out
but never used it and they will never use it on any of it consoles

DigitalRaptor3934d ago (Edited 3934d ago )

Enough with the apologetics.

Sony didn't build and engineer their console around DRM, always-online restrictions, nor did they restrict games to digital, thus having control of your purchases.

Microsoft did. That was and still is their end-goal, but that goal could not be achieved this generation as they would've lost too much market share and profit by not "flipping the switch", at least at launch.

A company that provides their customers with 60+ games a year for less than the price of a new game, I think that deserves my trust over a company with a track record like MS with repeated privacy invasions, charging gamers for free applications and Peer 2 Peer connectivity, the pervasive sense of disrespect shown towards these consumers, and their inability to be upfront about anything. For gaming and as a consumer, Sony deserves my trust. Microsoft deserves no-one's.

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest3d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN3d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan3d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor2d ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic2d ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv722d ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts2d ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares3d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv723d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka3d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion3d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer3d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow13d ago (Edited 3d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer3d ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar3d ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn3d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast3d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning773d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole2d ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning773d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning773d ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast3d ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning773d ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast2d ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv723d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes3d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv728d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle7d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18817d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio7d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning777d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga7d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv727d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19927d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21837d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga7d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan7d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit7d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus237d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv727d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier7d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan6d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1017d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos7d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-7d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac7d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1017d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic7d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead7d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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