Neoninja3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Wow! That is freaking cool!
I'm gonna try my hand at this and see what I can do.

Pisque3946d ago

Wait until it's released, with Microsoft you can't trust

Electric-flamingo3946d ago

No matter what ms does you won't be happy.

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Gazondaily3946d ago

Ugh really?

This is HUGE news. In fact, it's setting an industry standard. Not only are Indies getting the self publishing they wanted, the fact that every Xbox One can be used as a dev kit is simply astonishing.

THIS is how you prove naysayers wrong and shoe your commitment to indies.

Hats off to Microsoft. They got off to an awful start but they sure are striving to take all the right steps.

This, ladies and gentleman, is the beauty of competition.

Root3946d ago

Don't see why your getting disagrees, it's the truth. It's MS, after everything they've done lets wait and see what the catch is or how good it is. People are just learning from their mistakes with trusting MS before.

I just don't get it, they treat us like crap after Kinect, became a greedy horrible anti consumer company, give the new Xbox horrible policies, revert them because of the negative reaction then all of a sudden after a few things here and there all is forgiven.

If Sony did that you wouldn't hear the end of it.

ABizzel13946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

This is good news for them, and news they definitely need.

But that leaves a lot of questions.

What about coding overheads, and will they prevent us from accessing the full power of the Xbox1 (even after the 25% CPU, 3GB RAM, and 10% GPU deductions from OS, Kinect, and Multimedia)?
Dev Tools?
Publishing?
When will it be ready?
Will this cause a flood of shovel-ware?

Great news, but we need more answers at Gamescom. They still haven't sold me on anything Xbox 1 related, but now they're at least trying to win back my graces.

cytricks3946d ago

I have to admit...after hearing this...I am getting an Xbox One.

I am a software engineer and I think it is a cool especially for indie devs. I would say I am a little skeptic and worried it might be a press move or fallacy. Also the Sony no longer supporting OtherOS comes to mind...only difference people might actually use this for homebrew games.

iamnsuperman3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

@ABizzel1

Spot on. There is too much guessing on how this would work and we need more information on it because it could mean:

1. Every console is able to develop any games (which I do doubt as it would be a nightmare to control piracy and have a ton of crap on the store like the App store).

2. You need a developers account (that costs money) to limit everyone having it (this falls in line with the always on thing they used to have).

3. It could just be Project Spark (it does fit well with them saying that Project Spark is free and can be used to make games).

Too much unknown

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lgn153946d ago

I just can't handle it when people can't trust Microsoft but then trust Sony. I mean their not a cooperation right? And Sony's sole purpose isn't just to profit, right? Just like Microsoft? Oh wait...

NegativeCreepWA3946d ago

I believe it, it's a great replacement for the XNA program, which put hundreds of indie games the 360.

WrAiTh Sp3cTr33946d ago

How will sony fans top this...or spin this?

BitbyDeath3946d ago

Very brave, let the Kinect hacking commence

JokesOnYou3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

@iamnsuperman, I don't know details but just from reading it, this might help you:

1. YES Every console will be capable of developing games. Standard security features will be in place, then its something you have to sign up for but I'm not sure why this would create alot more piracy since its just a process only to create and submit indie games, not really alot of valuable stuff to steal because YES 99% of it will be a bunch of buggy, boring crap just as you said "like on the store App store"= but hey people were crying about freedom to self publish so here it is wide open. That said Whitten said there is of course going to be a certification process for obvious things like mature content and IP infringement, plus he mentioned "top listings" and "discoverability" so that tells me it will have its own area.

2. "Whitten only shared the basics with us today. He says that it will be a simple process of visiting a website to sign up as a developer to set up your console as a devkit."

-Of course there will be some associated fees indies don't get free dev kits and tools today, self publishing or not, why would they or us get them free now? They have Project Spark for free but this is separate game creation from the ground up, no training wheels. Also what does that have to do with the always on thing they used to have?

3. Whitten said "You'll be able to download the devkit and edit source code on your PC to transfer over to the Xbox One".

-Why announce this if its just Project Spark, they sound similar but I'm sure its a seperate platform because with Spark you are confined to making any game with spark assets, yeah with spark you can make any game but the charachters, the environments, the actions will all have a spark feel to them, that would hardly appease current indie devs who want to self publish and make totally unique looking games that are not based on sparks design.

Delive3946d ago

Great news. Question though. Are there any additional fees?

showtimefolks3946d ago

Pisque

see how you got 55 disagrees for stating a fact, MS can not be trusted till they deliver

go ahead disagree

it was that long ago they had all sort of DRM policies and were targeting casuals now a lot of sudden they care about the core gamers again? They want us the core gamers to buy their system at highest price point but not many casuals will buy a gaming box to connect their cable box into

right now they need us but 3-4 years from now they will forget about us just like they did for xbox360

tuglu_pati3946d ago

@WrAiTh Sp3cTr3

"How will sony fans top this...or spin this?"

simple, "MS sucks this wont be available at launch".

wait for it.

Saigon3946d ago

This is great news for all indie devs and wannabe devs. 150$ a year is not that bad to access developer tools on the console. My only question is how will they limit the junk that is created?

Also though this is good news i notice a lot of individuals talking about how either MS or Sony does something good or bad certain individuals respond with their odd remarks. i look at it like this, from a gamer perspective I feel that Nintendo is always judged as childish, when they do something wrong its like its Nintendo; when they do something right its like its Nintendo. If they do something right or wrong its always the same remark. However with Sony and MS its completely different. when MS does something wrong, I see comments like greedy tards, that's what they get, oh M$, don't worry they will fix it, oh its not that bad, you need to look at the bright side of this decision, etc. When MS does something right its all praise regardless the implication. With Sony man when they do something wrong, its like the end of the world along with massive hate from every which end; grant it they do get some spin but not as much as MS. When Sony does something right, to some it looked at as positive to gaming to others, oh...its not that big of a deal. Some say its always mediocre and then massive hate for the positive news.

No Fanboy bs but this is something I see across the internet. From my perspective MS has done nothing but copy, steal, pay, and act like they came up with the idea. They do this all the time and gamers overlook this fact. the biggest example is the Kinect and the PSeye. Sony has had the tech for years and no one cared to even notice it, but as soon as MS applies the same tech its the best thing ever. this is starting to happen with the cloud service they announced. MS has all these claims of what it can do, but yet there are no proofs it can occur and some gamers have already started defending this claim, heavily. The sad part is that most devs for one stopped talking about the addition of the cloud functions and MS also posted something yesterday that did not state anything on the capabilities. But all I saw was MS getting a pass. No one said anything about the cloud service that was suppose to be on N4G to challenge the speculations. Sony doesn't get a pass either but i see most of the hate, flip-flopping, and defense force from the MS camp. Why can't we just get along as gamers and praise the success for each console.

I just hope at GamesCom all companies come prepared and the hate for each system get diminished, which I know will never happen.

slampunk3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

@saigon

Are we on the same site? MS get hate for everything on N4G, even the good things they do.....i agree that MS should've got some stick for some of their initial messaging and policies with XB1....

But on the other hand should MS get some credit for trying to push forward more than Sony? IMO yes...

And as for MS copying sony? Sony have mirrored MS launch philosophy from this gen with the PS4..... developer friendly console, better controller design, headset with every PS4, x game and party chat, paid online service and look at the next OS sony is using.....if you put Xbox content in there i would think it was the XB1 OS.....etc......

Sony i feel have borrowed more from MS than the other way around in the leadup to next gen....is that a problem.....no not at all....

If MS implement something similar to what MS have is that a problem....no IMO

I'm getting both next gen systems so no FB here. Both companies have and will continue to implement similar features.....this only leads to better features on both consoles....

hazardman3946d ago

Man all i gotta say is that its gonna be a cool feature for those who like making games. I cant wait ! Not to make games but to see what other gamers (non professional developer)can come up with. Def. a cool promising feature. I wish MS had come out with all this from the get.

Also waiting on them to tell us that the family share is back.

JokesOnYou3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Saigon I see what you're saying I really do but I feel more like its the other way around with sony getting more of a free pass than micro and its unquestionable that micro gets hated on more than sony and Nintendo combined x 4. I won't bother to go into long winded examples to keep this short but how do two rational people end up with two different point of views I think because there's two sides to every coin and we(humans) conveniently only see what we want to see with our bias, for example just reading your comment this stood out to me:

"From my perspective MS has done nothing but copy, steal, pay, and act like they came up with the idea. They do this all the time and gamers overlook this fact. the biggest example is the Kinect and the PSeye. Sony has had the tech for years and no one cared to even notice it, but as soon as MS applies the same tech its the best thing ever."

-To be blunt what I see right there is tunnel vision, "copy, steal, pay" come on seriously again I'm not going to bother with the tit for tat for each of those suffice it to say that strikes on the side of fanboyish talk but lets examine your emphasis on Kinect because there's a BIG difference between having (similar) tech and what you actually do with it. Even sony admits they haven't done enough with ps eye/move, and with them publicly saying its suited for the casual market obviously they are not putting much support behind it. Its sort of like the Wright Brothers being well known for the pioneers of flight, NO they are not the first to fly, but they hold this reputation because they are ONE of the early ones who committed to MAKING IT WORK, making it practical, which lead to what the industry is today, don't get crazy on me, I'm not saying Kinect is in anyway close to what they did, my analogy just suggests that, some guy in his garage that drew a picture, made prototypes, tinkered with projects in his backyard, and made headlines but never followed through by making it accessible, commercial, worthwhile for the public, doesn't get to stand on the stage just because he was one of the early ones with an "idea". Sure there were cameras before, and actually Nintendo with the wii was more inspiration/responsible for micro/Kinect because it was only their COMMITTMENT TO MOTION CONTROL AND EARLY SUCCESS that pushed Microsoft and sony to come up with something better. Again, micro committed to Kinect from the start, sony just wanted a comparable product, further micro has made it a part of their entire brand/functionality of the system, and at least trying to establish it as a viable gaming device for ALL gamers, sony now with the ps4 just gives you an optional add on experience(there is nothing wrong with that). I'm not declaring which is better as that is based on preference but even you should be able to understand why they are looking at both devices differently.

hazardman3946d ago

@ Abizzle and iamsuperman

Are you guys MS supporters or trolling? I mean you guys act like MS cant pull it off. I remember them having the XNA program for indie devs. So im pretty sure they can get this going.

gaffyh3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

This announcement reminds me of the following line in Enemy of the State:

"You're either incredibly smart or incredibly stupid."

It should mean more games, and technically everyone could be a developer. However, this IS going to be hacked, and potentially could be hacked without the need for any third party hardware. A custom firmware flash could unlock an Xbone into a console that allows you to play debug code, which essentially would mean you can play copied games.

Hackers are going to be really happy with this feature, it will make their lives sooo much easier.

With that said, who says competition isn't a good thing? Microsoft is feeling pressured and it's working out better and better for the gamers.

miyamoto3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

LOL!
Whoa! Look at em go!
They actually believe this flip flopping and copying?

Another reversal from Xposed 180

When will M$ ever make its OWN mind?

Makes me wonder who are they ripping off Sony PS4's right off the bat Independent developer self publishing initiative or Nintendo Wii U SDK given away for free?

LOL!
What a joke this is turning out to be.
No amount of damage control can undo your dick move.

Catch up if you can M$.

PS:
Oh well let them just get as many Xposed 180 cable box they rightfully deserve. I am stopping no one.

Let them have fun developing AAAA games for their Skynect box.
They deserve it.

NegativeCreepWA3946d ago

miyamoto, Ms has been saying for months that they'll release their plans for indie games later on, do you think the idea to making every console a dev unit just appeared in the last month?

This is obviously something that's been in the works long before they announced XNA wouldn't be coming back next gen.

badz1493946d ago

@tuglu

it's true that this feature will not be available at launch!

nukeitall3946d ago

This really shows how mis-informed the journalists are and how far back the industry really is.

MS has been doing this since XNA- For $100 anyone and their mother could developer a game on Xbox 360 and self-publish it.

This is just an extension of that. Journalists now write a blog telling the world that so the industry can be updated.

moparful993946d ago

@Jokes
"indies don't get free dev kits and tools today, self publishing or not, why would they or us get them free now?"

False. Sony actually lends out dev kits to indie developers at no cost for a year.. So most indies can take their time developing on the pc, borrow a dev kit from Sony, and publish said game right on PSN.. Sony even offers free help, they run promotions and advertising for indie games as well..
http://www.polygon.com/2013...

awi59513946d ago

@Septic

No its not atari and Ouya consoles did it first you can use the consoles to develop your own games.

nveenio3946d ago

This is a great feature, and might just entice me to pick up a One after all. The only fear I have is that opening up the console as a dev kit to everyone might just enable piracy since always on is no longer an issue.

DonFreezer3946d ago

If I hear again about the 2005-2009 era I'm going to explode.This site has been the epitome of pro-Sony from the moderators to the masses who comment on here and cry to their lives.Name one source that says that every ps4 can be used as devkit or shut your freaking mouth delusional ps fanboys.

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indysurfn3945d ago

See! The masses DO forget in 6 months. Remember the PS2? Yeah it announced the same thing. Remember the xbox(original), yep. Remember the xbox360 development kits for starters? The devil is in the detail. How much will it cost? No really, it may be free to make the game(as if that is special). How much to get it to market place, and tested by Microsoft, or a approved testing company? What you going to do when they ask you how many people tested your game. Have you tested it on a server. And a million quality questions that require multiple independent individuals? What security measures you have in place? Do you have a Kinect version of the game. Who reviewed your game for sexual content, sensitive issues. Do you think all those Indie devs that complained about hoops, and red-tape where just kidding? You think they are going to treat you better than several Indie developers making a game? If so why would you do business with a company like that?

This is just a PR stunk because they know the masses forget, which is why they brought up the CLOUD as if it was a new gen concept.

kupomogli3945d ago (Edited 3945d ago )

@Septic

Hats off to Microsoft for doing something they should have done in the beginning?

Let's praise a company that tries to take away our ownership rights, which forces indie devs to have a publisher, etc. But hey. After all the backlash, let's praise them and say they're better than the competitors because they've changed all this stuff.

They shouldn't have taken as long as they did to announce all these changes. There was constant backlash towards the company and the first 180 took over a month.

Xbox 180 is right though. With all the reversing of their policies they've been doing, the name fits perfect with the console.

jimbobwahey3945d ago

It's funny seeing how many people are being blinded by Microsoft's PR machine, and now think that they'll be able to download a free update for their Xbox One to turn it into a dev kit and start making games.

Here's a hint: that's not going to happen. For a start, you'll need your own tools to develop games on a PC (that's running Windows 8). All Microsoft are doing is releasing a small update enabling developers to test their software on a retail Xbox One console (once you sign up and pay a yearly fee for the privilege).

Anybody who seriously buys an Xbox One at launch thinking they can use it to make games is a fool, and you're buying into Microsoft's PR machine which is never a wise thing to do.

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AngelicIceDiamond3946d ago

"Our vision is that every person can be a creator. That every Xbox One can be used for development. That every game and experience can take advantage of all of the features of Xbox One and Xbox LIVE. This means self-publishing. This means Kinect, the cloud, achievements. This means great discoverability on Xbox LIVE. We'll have more details on the program and the timeline at gamescom in August."

Now that's whassup MS.

Gazondaily3946d ago

Respect to MS in doing this. This is such a big announcement. Self-publishing is a bit of a double-edged sword in terms of the quality of apps/games we'll see but I think its the right step forward.

But every X1 as a devkit....that is just megaton.

rainslacker3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

This has piqued my interest in the system from not really liking MS at all to at least ready to hear what they have planned. Doing game contract work for indie stuff, I love to play around with these kinds of things, and if they allow full(or at least a subset) of the dev kit software for it then I'd be hard pressed to not get the console sooner rather than later. Even if it is a subset of the devkit, all but the most talented individuals would be hard pressed to use all the X1 hardware to it's fullest on their own, so it's probably a wash.

I still don't care for MS much right now, and don't trust them much, but this is a pretty good move on their part. Hopefully it's not some stunted lame implementation. This is one thing I hope that competition forces Sony(or even Nintendo) to implement their own version as well. PSMobile is cool for Vita, but pretty restrictive on the use of hardware, some more dev kit like would be very warmly welcomed in my house from any of the big 3.:)

unicron73945d ago

Thing is, they keep changing their "vision" every five minutes. Wonder what their vision will be a couple months from now? I guess we'll have to watch what Sony does and MS's responses.

Gildarts3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

man they should have one-upped sony with this at E3!

Every X1 can be converted into a dev-kit AND Selfpublishing?

HOLY CRAP!

Looks like X1 will be a paradise for indie devs. I mean come-on, a $500 dev-kit? that is so sick. And it comes with Kinect, I can already imagine the awesome stuff some of the indie devs can come up with for Kinect.

As an aspiring Game-developer this is very exciting for me.

Neoninja3946d ago

I agree with you. I hope people take advantage of this.

Godmars2903946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

"man they should have one-upped sony with this at E3!"

They would have needed a plan at E3 to do that.

Obviously its what Project Sparks is there for though.

Edit:
Do have to wonder if this will turn into MS's "Other OS". Something which will only become a backdoor for piracy.

bicfitness3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

They never said it was a "dev-unit" they said it "can be used for development". PR speak needs to be combed through for understanding. I've heard that these are debug units, meaning you still need a PC and development environment, but that you can test on the X1. Probably need Windows 8 too, I would imagine, so that you have committed to their ecosystem.

Great initiative, but let's wait for all the details.

EDIT: NOT available at launch. Aiming for a "1st year window".

Bigpappy3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

This is a new development, not something M$ had intended from the start. The software to enable development will not be free, but it will still encourage more people to just download the software rather than having to go through the process of trying to acquire a full kit.
If you stand to make money, this along with self publishing is very, very attractive to upstarts.

Edit: I am sure M$ will have an anti-piracy plan in place. The fact that they even confirmed this means that has already been considered.

sourav933946d ago

This is all good and dandy. But making every Xbox One a devkit...hmm, I don't know. Feel like it opens a big door for piracy. Lets hope they'll have ways to stop this from happening.

rainslacker3946d ago

It's a cool initiative, and I give them props, and will give them more if it's a robust package. However don't expect full dev-kit compliance. Dev kits have extra hardware to allow for things that the regular system can't do, mostly debugging, which will likely still have to be done through a PC interface of some sort. It is extremely unlikely that you will be getting the full dev-kit tools and full developer access to the hardware and tools used for making games on the system. However, for an individual, or even a small group of individuals, the need to get that close to hardware isn't as important, since very few individuals could utilize it to good effect.

I'm imagining something like PSMobile, or XNA, but hopefully more than just a runtime environment. I'm certainly ready to hear more though, and may mean I get an X1 a lot sooner than I had planned.

Machiavellian3946d ago

I am guessing that MS want to trickle info going up to release which is much better than spilling your load to early. With positive talk going to release, it will make people think about getting the X1 at the time you want them to which is when the console release.

moparful993946d ago

Its all well and good they are doing this but it costs more then just paying for the system.. There is publishing fees associated with it and they wont advertise on your behalf..
Sony has allowed self publishing on the PS3 for 5 years now and according to this article...
http://www.polygon.com/2013...
They even lend out dev kits at no cost for a year. Whats more they offer support, advertising, and even run promotions just for indie games.. Sony is killing it on the indie front and Microsoft is kind of playing catch up.. But at least they are making an effort..

jimbobwahey3945d ago

bicfitness is correct, it's just debug functionality. Tragic to see so many people in this comment section thinking Xbox One's will turn into development kits that they can make games with. Still, kudos to Microsoft PR, they know how to spin things and con people like the best of 'em. Bravo.

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Anon19743946d ago

This is great news for developers! No question about it.

GameCents3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

That's it? No backhanded criticism disguised as a compliment? Who are you and what did you do to my friend Darkride?

Kanzes3946d ago

If Indie devs can access the Kinect and clouds too, it would be awesome! There will be a lot of Kinect apps... for me, I'm waiting Surgeon Simulator released for Kinect soon

Anon19743946d ago

Give credit where credit is due. :) There's always going to be room for improvement, but this is a huge step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned.

PSVita3946d ago

This is great news but its suspicious that they wouldn't have mentioned this at the announcement or at E3.

whoyouwit043946d ago

nothing suspicious at all they were obviously saving this for Gamescon or TGS.

PSVita3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

^I disagree. Trust me there's something fishy about this that they aren't telling us yet. It's going to COST I'm calling it.

ExCest3946d ago

@PSVita

Of course it's going to cost money. Probably a licensing fee as you're going to need root access and full hardware/software access to be able to make a game with your x1 as the station.

Still, this is pretty cool and even after the possible fee(s), it'll most likely still cost less and be easier than getting a devkit from MS.

PSVita3946d ago

@excest- I agree with you. There needs to be more info. Nonetheless great move from MS.

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bicfitness3946d ago

I'm pretty sure you can use them as "debug" units - to test PC code. Not DEVELOPMENT units. At least that's what the fine print over at Neogaf reads. Still pretty cool initiative. How much of the Hypervisor access and GPU resources you get access to are another matter entirely. I expect this will be a PSM style (or WIN RT) environment.

MicDude3946d ago

Isn't debugging part of the development process? But I understand what you are trying to say. I guess we will have to wait for more news.

hazardman3946d ago

I commend you for trying man! Go ahead with that nonsense!!!

PSVita3946d ago

I can't developer a level in LBP lol so doesn't mean much to me honestly BUT if you could make apps that'd be revolutionary. Especially with kinect.

theWB273946d ago

So I'm not the only one. I tried for hours and hours to create a level and nothing. It was infuriating to see a level in my head and not translate to onscreen. -_-

StoneyYoshi3946d ago

You guys really think they are just going to give this to us?? You guys know how much a devkit can cost?? I don't know how much the XB1 or PS4 are but the OUYA costs 800 bucks. Imagine how much M$ is going to charge...

And it says devkit FUNCTIONALITY. Meaning it will work with the devkit that you pay out the arse for.

PSVita3946d ago

Well it's for indie games but there might be a charge to use it too.

StoneyYoshi3946d ago

No you still have to pay for the devkit if you are a indie developer. its the self publishing that you are talking about.

FamilyGuy3946d ago

This is huge news, I wonder how they'll limit the shovelware though. Pretty crazy announcement.

Finally some note worthy positive news coming about the X1. Ugh, my friends that are 360/X1 fans are gonna so rub my face in it about this though -_- lol

greenlantern28143946d ago

I am not going to say anything until more of the information is available, but i do have to question the fact that xbox1 much like ps4 dev kits coast developers thousands of dollars. So wouldn't this be kind of a slap in the face to the devs who already paid them.

2v13946d ago

But not at launch. Microsoft's Marc Whitten just told us that devkit functionality will be added at a later date."

SilentNegotiator3946d ago

How did Xbox One go from indie-repellent to indie no-brainer without even launching?

moparful993946d ago

Ehh I wouldn't say that.. The indie environment is still better with Sony.. I can link you to proof if you want..

http://www.polygon.com/2013...

MazzingerZ3946d ago

like the guy in Heavenly Sword would say...I smell something fishyyyyy haha

Release the update first so this becomes fact...lots of magic stuff that updates will do all of the sudden

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DiRtY3946d ago

Even N4G can't spin this into something negative. Even though some are already trying...

Veneno3946d ago

This sounds great, but too good to be true. You would obviously need a pc to do this. And if this is what we all hope it to be, then why wasn't it shown at E3?

This is a huge advantage over PS4. In all the xbone negativity, why hold back a feature that you could wave over the face of Sony?

If you ask me , this is just another mess up and a golden opportunity missed by Microsoft to propel the xbox One. This may be their one ticket out of the dumpster and they are letting it drown in all of their negativity.

Cuzzo633946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Ashame how all you guys get excited about something most of you all wont use. To the devs yea I can see it as a good thing. But all the hoopla over something the average gamer wont use? I dont know, of its gonna sell more Xb1 globally then okay... Lol. Oh. Awsome news lol. Anything they say and the crowd goes wild. Smh. Come on man. Its Microsoft! I woulda just been happy with playing TitanFall on my sister Xb1. Dont rhink the average gamer would be excited about this... But the average fanboy... Look at all the comments. Before a sony fanboy came in the xbox fannies were already in defense mode.

Anyway. I say its a good thing. All the bs they brung to the table is being corrected. Good for the true fans and Devs

Cuzzo633945d ago

Instead of the stealth disagrees, tell me where im wrong... And they say N4G is full of Sony Fanboys. Fooled me lol

avengers19783945d ago

MS saying there going to do something is different from MS actually doing something.
I'd wait till they actually roll it out and make it available, before getting to excited. But if true it could be a cool feature and actually might turn a normal gamer into a well known indie dev.

N4g_null3945d ago

This is big. I really was going to hold off on getting one but we dont have our own dev kit so I might just get one just to test the waters and not have to sign all that damn paperwork.

working on the xbox without the ms over lords is priceless!

Pain3945d ago

Id see how this was "Big News" if MS would has announced it from the start but they didn't .. so its just a 180 feature patch job added last minute to be more so like Sony.

2c

LogicStomper3945d ago

2/10, futile attempt spinning into a negative.

The title of the article is:

"Microsoft: Every Xbox One Can Be Used To Develop Games"

and not

"Microsoft: Is Releasing Good News After Big Events a Good Thing?"

Pain3945d ago

no attempt at anything its a no brainer its a change in policy to compete..

spin spin spin fall over and puke...

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3-4-53945d ago

Great idea..... on paper.

Let's see how it plays out. This could be huge for indie games on XB1.

MechaGear3945d ago (Edited 3945d ago )

Well, if you're a good coder, then why aren't you working on a game right now? There are plenty of opportunities as we type here. And if you're not, do you really believe you can create a game with an xbox one controller??

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MariaHelFutura3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

This is great news for those buying the Xbox One.

darthv723946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

shouldnt you be following up that comment with your usual PS4 remark?

It seems incomplete without that caption.

NegativeCreepWA3946d ago

Wow, I can't believe I just read that! What, no negative spin?

MariaHelFutura3946d ago

I generally don't dislike gamers or developers, I dislike Microsoft.

Cherchez La Ghost3946d ago

Maria with a positive X1 comment?!!! I'm must be dreaming!!!! LoL!! No offense, Maria!

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JokesOnYou3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

Wow, no sarcasm? Maria is that you?
OK credit where credit is due, nice comment.

btw, Thank sony because its the competition that pushed microsoft to do this.

GameCents3946d ago

First Darkride and now you too?
Am I being punk'd? Or did I wake up in the twilight zone?

Kanzes3946d ago

This is the alternate universe

"There's always Maria, N4G, and PlayStation."

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cl19833946d ago

So 500.00 for a dev kit isn't such a bad price.

Muerte24943946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

I guess even Microsoft like the direction Sony is taking with the Indie community. But You know Microsoft's method going to have to seriously try to combat hacking and piracy.

Edit: "After the purchase of a $150 Xbox One development kit, automatically set to renew annually."

Let's hope everyone will be able to get their game up and running within the first 2-3 years.

Gildarts3946d ago

It looks like you have to go through some kind of process first. Probably to prevent piracy.

If we had the 24hour check, that wouldn't have been a problem in the first place.

Yes I am one of those who supported Microsoft's first vision of the X1.

n4rc3946d ago

Me too.. This is still awesome news tho..

Less and less for the haters every day

N4g_null3945d ago (Edited 3945d ago )

No worries half my tools are on the cloud yay! Hope sony follows suit but who doesnt have a ps4 dev kit these days?

First dev and publisher to get mod support wins.... no game hardwareetc can compete against a good mod ccommunity!

Minato-Namikaze3946d ago

Its good if its implemented correctly. But if this is truely the case why would devs need actual 5k devs kits (or how ever much they cost) definitely need to read the fine print. But it sounds really cool in theory.

gamertk4213946d ago

Probably for those wanting their hands on a devkit prior to launch.

rainslacker3946d ago

If I had to guess it'll be some sort of development environment similar to XNA or PSMobile. Both are runtime environments, and don't allow the same level of access to the actual hardware that an actual development unit would provide, although at a much higher price.

It's not a bad thing i describe. But it is obvious that many people don't understand the difference in application. What I describe is still a pretty big positive. If by chance they give you full, or mostly full dev kit functionality though, I will be floored and give them huge praise for what they are doing. For now I'll just wait and see what they have to offer, and say "good move MS".

mark134uk3946d ago

your forgetting the $300 dev liciance once a year

you dont think ms will let you do something for free do you?

dont forget to opt in to give feedback to nsa,i meen ms via kinect ;)

ape0073946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

hmmmmm Mod support?

FanboyCrusher3946d ago

Wouldn't that be fantastic for games like Fallout? If Microsoft pulled that off that would be one big feather on their cap.

ape0073946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

yeah, also 3 lovely words that go so well with modding

Grand Theft Auto

AngelicIceDiamond3946d ago (Edited 3946d ago )

@Ape I Think your on to something. http://www.dualshockers.com...

Cherchez La Ghost3946d ago

If they give mod support for games like PC's?!! Its over!! That's the one thing I wish either Sony or MS would do.

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iconic563946d ago

This is really interesting... but sadly the first thought that came to my mind is whether or not this makes it easier for people to "hack" the console?

iamnsuperman3946d ago

Which makes me think you have to sign into a developers account of sorts for it to work (that will cost money to do that). There is no way Microsoft would open the floodgates without safeguards in place

BISHOP-BRASIL3946d ago

It depends on how it's done... For instance, if this means anything to do with Project Spark, basically a create you own game "game" (actually it would need to be a capable enough development tool, more in the lines of Mugen or RPGMaker than Little Big Planet, Minecraft or Mod Nation Racers, but not really development stuff as you won't get to mess with the engine assets and what not) I assume the risk is pretty low. If it is full development kits like pro devs have, than it may be a problem.

I'm leaning to believe this is more about a Project Spark kind of initiatives than full dev kit on every Xbox One, exactly because of how vulnerable to hacking and piracy it would make the system. But to which extent this would actually be self publishing or just PR talk heavily depends on the possibility of making money through the system (i.e. can indies sell their games like that?).

Anyway, as it's said in the article, that's their vision but they'll only be announcing more on Gamescom, so we have no option but to wait and see what exactly they mean for self publishing and dev kit in every unit.

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Microsoft's Absurd Antics Have Me Scared For Dishonored And Arkane Lyon's Future

With Arkane Austin no more and Lyon living for who knows how long, the superb Dishonored is in serious danger; Microsoft cannot be trusted.

Relientk777h ago

I love the Dishonored series so much and really want Dishonored 3. Microsoft better not screw this up.

JEECE4h ago

I mean, I think the fans will probably kill Arkane Lyon by cooking up reasons to hate whatever they do next without playing it. I've never seen a game so artificially disliked as Deathloop.

thesoftware7304h ago

Lol, why don't we just say, we are worried about all studios owned by MS now. They will keep closing studios until they have none left ...🙄

Skuletor1h ago

Just merge them all into a single studio, have it churn out a single Call of Duty every year and call it a day, lol.

Barlos1h ago

Don't be scared, you'll be fine.

Skuletor1h ago

It's exputer, fine is one word I would not associate with them.

Profchaos56m ago

I think it's becoming clear based on matt bootys comments there's no future for any IP that can't sell above 10 million within the launch window. But is also a small game that gives them prestige

/S it's beyond a joke right now

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More Job Losses At Xbox, “There’s More To Come”: Paul Thurrott

Paul Thurrott in a recent episode commented on the on-going Microsoft fiasco hinting at more job losses and that "there's more to come".

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Sonic18812d ago (Edited 2d ago )

There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future . Xbox has to pay Microsoft back. It might take two decades to do that.

sagapo2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

I don’t understand what you’re saying. Xbox IS microsoft so there’s no “paying back “.
And MS gross profit in 2023 was over 140 billion dollars so forget your 2 decades.

Unless you mean the money MS invested in Xbox (acquisitions included) and the time it will take for xbox as a brand to gain that money back on it’s own, then yeah, that could take a while.

romulus231d 23h ago

The better term to use might be return on investment, xbox is simply a division of Microsoft one that MS can easily do away with if profit margins are not met. So in that regard he's right, if xbox isn't showing the expected return on investment the higher ups are expecting than it's unlikely Microsoft will acquire any other studios any time soon, especially if they are spending billions buying developers just to shut them down in the end.

MrBaskerville1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Xbox is a division that they discussed shutting down but doubled down on after Gamepass was pitched.

It needs to make money at some point. Big money.

KwietStorm_BLM1d 15h ago

So you do understand it or..?

rokos1d 13h ago

According to Statista the net income of Microsoft is about $72.4 billion dollars which is a bit lower than last year profit. That is almost as much as Activision's acquisition but I assume that would be a one off since it costs so much plus I see how their focus has been shifted to AI, thus any major future investments will probably be in that area.

Markusb331d 12h ago

i think you are really missing the point

VariantAEC1d 3h ago

@romulus23
That is not why MS buys studios. They might continue to buy because it's about taking that sweet sweet IP out of the corporate husks of their acquisitions.

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SonyStyled2d ago

“There won't be no more acquiring game publishers from Microsoft in the future”

No bro, there do be is for Microsoft not acquiring for what is now if not what it be is 😂

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ChasterMies1d 16h ago

Xbox isn’t a separate company from Microsoft. It’s all Microsoft.

Abear211d 11h ago (Edited 1d 11h ago )

Let’s be real, this is the media spinning all the acquisitions and liquidations of said developers and spinning it to make M$ the villain.

This was bound to happen, a bigger slice of pie and cut costs, when the games come they stand to make more and that’s their agenda—it was the writing on the wall when the sales went through and legally all those who approved the sale and mergers knew this would happen.

Snowflakes need to realize business is ugly and you can cry all you want but this is how capitalism works. And it works.

That said, M$ needs to steer the narrative and grab hold of all this, make their plans known, hype the hell out of all those dead IP’s they plan to revive, and be honest about the timeline. This is likely to involve mobile and IP on other consoles, and most people realize that.

The problem is this company is incapable of being transparent and seems to often want to dissuade and confuse is customer base. The lack of E3 has hurt Microsoft and I don’t think they know how to properly or effectively market their brand anymore.

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jwillj2k42d ago

There really needs to be a class action lawsuit here. You buy these companies just to put people out of jobs. And it’s not like something happened to derail their plans this WAS the plan. Microsoft has no business in this space at all.

franwex2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Microsoft has been doing this for years. They simply want the IPs. Look at Nokia. Look at Skype. This time it simply expanded to games. Gaming is not as important to Microsoft’s executives as it was to the founders too. Bill Gates was willing to sell the og Xbox at a loss. Steve Balmer approved the red ring of death fiasco. This CEO isn’t really a gamer.

-Foxtrot2d ago

Maybe it's time though to put a stop to it and use a big giant like Microsoft as a huge example to the rest of these big companies.

There has to be a line drawn somewhere.

People like the FTC and the like went against Microsoft yet their Actvision deal was still allowed to go through yet look what's happened...it's not even Acitivisions studios aswell, it's Bethesdas.

VariantAEC1d 3h ago

Years?

Try several decades, and in the gaming space 2.3 decades.

Jon615861d 12h ago

You do realize this happens in ALL industries? Or are you just saying this because it is Microsoft? In any case I feel for those that are being let go but the trch industry is suffering right now.

jwillj2k41d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

This absolutely does NOT happen all the time. Let me know the last time 1 company with a terrible product track record spent 100 billion onto acquire MULTIPLE successful companies in under a year only to shut them down and stop making their products regardless of how successful they were. Not merge them, completely shut them down.

And you can’t use Microsoft in your example.

Notellin1d 7h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

Class action lawsuit? The law is on their side and protects them at all costs. There are no rules to protect the people at the bottom.

jwillj2k41d 7h ago

Not true when it comes to mass layoff do your research.

RNTody2d ago

Ninja Theory, Perfect Dark, Crash Bandicoot, Spyro, Wolfenstein 3, Dishonored, Prey, Doom, Quake... something tells me that bad things are going to happen to these entities under Microsoft.

MrDead1d 21h ago

ID software, the makers of Doom and Wolfenstein that have been with us since 1991 could be gone and MS will keep the IPs.

I hope some of these studios can buy their freedom from MS otherwise this is going to be even more devastating for the industry and gamers.

Yui_Suzumiya1d 18h ago (Edited 1d 18h ago )

That's exactly what I'm worried about. I've been a fan of id since Wolfenstein 3D and I'm honestly afraid.

lodossrage1d 14h ago

Toys for Bob saw the writing on the wall and bought themselves out.

Wouldn't be the first time a company did that under MS either. Bungie and Twisted Pixel did the same. Considering what just happened, I can see some other devs trying to buy themselves out too.

anast2d ago

Good thing the bosses of all those small studios made their money.

glenn19792d ago

they cant do it right now they will get burned

XiNatsuDragnel1d 22h ago

Phil and his team need to be gone

lodossrage1d 14h ago (Edited 1d 14h ago )

Won't make a difference.

The whole structure needs to be overhauled. Anyone that replaces Phil will be no different than him, Mattrick, or anyone else.

Until the company changes how they go about business, nothing will change

glenn19791d 11h ago

I just don't have any idea what they would do , they have done sooo much damage on their xbox brand, they have a show at July or June I think, but will it even matter even they show amazing games, idkn

lodossrage1d 14h ago

True,

But they may as well get it over with. Whether it happens now or later, the burning is going to hit the same.

Reality is the ONE move that can alleviate a lot of this is the one move they can't make. Remove day 1 from gamepass.

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Microsoft Opening Xbox Mobile Game Store in July

The Xbox brand is expanding, as an Xbox mobile game store is opening this coming July where Microsoft will brings its "first-party portfolio."

Jin_Sakai3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

“Bond adds that they will start on the web”

This will go nowhere.

Nice knowing you Xbox. This is what happens when the house never gets cleaned.

MrDead3d ago

The only this MS is expanding is the amount of feculence it sprays on everyone who just want to enjoy gaming and make games.

The best thing MS can do for the gaming industry is leave and never return.

XiNatsuDragnel3d ago

Good luck with this even it might not succeed.

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