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Dear Microsoft, You've Finally Lost My Respect

Microsoft has been hard at work promoting the Xbox One - er, well not promoting it, so much as launching campaigns to tarnish the PS4's name.

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Smoovekid3951d ago

They lost my respect with Windows 8.

Genesis53951d ago

I know I do my gaming on Pc and on PS3. Windows 8 is a horrible mess. They really need to fix it somehow.

dedicatedtogamers3951d ago

It doesn't surprise me to see articles like this (gaming sites simply reflect the general feeling of their readers, typically).

What surprises me is how long it took.

None of Microsoft's recent behavior is new, it's simply more pronounced. Why people respected Microsoft in the first place is beyond me. They've always expressed their goal of being in the gaming market to take over the living room.

dark-hollow3951d ago

I liked windows 8.

Its faster, way more efficient and organised.

The metro layout sucks on pc, but for laptops with touch, hybrids its awesome.

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gamer78043951d ago

I don't see why all the hate on windows 8, even if you don't like the tile interface, there is no denying it is a much faster operating system, so if you like windows 7, you should inherently like windows 8. there is still the desktop experience you can customize to your hearts content , blue 8.1 will add built in features to do what you can already make windows do outside of metro.

papashango3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

Windows 8 is the OS where they try to push their own agenda. Windows 9 is when they go back to what the consumer wants.

It's a pattern that continuously repeats itself.

Hello_World3951d ago

I used to think it was just Sony fanboys hating competition when I was a 360 gamer, but it took me seeing what they tried to pull with the Xbox One to realize MS is a cancer.

kreate3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

The thing is... we don't need windows 8.

Xp and win7 pretty much got everything covered.

Hopefully google makes a os for desktop pc so I can switch to something other than windows.

If not, they gotta stop making windows for a while.

Lets stay with 7 for a while longer.

I don't want to hear news about windows 9 next year

badz1493951d ago

I just don't like it!

for tablet/smartphones...sure it looks different from Android and iOS but on laptops and pcs, it's just a mess and a resource hog at that too! if your laptops and pc monitors aren't touch type, which consist of the MAJORITY of Win users out there, Win 8 tiles are nothing more but over-sized desktop icons which in itself is annoying!

sure, you can revert back to the natural Win look with the Start button...so why didn't just stick with that in the 1st place?? Win 7 is all you need and seeing how so many are against Win 8 - hey don't flame me, the decline of laptop/pc market is proof of this! ask Dell, Samsung and any other manufacturer if you like and they will tell you the same thing, but M$ is starting to limit Win 7 with Win 8.1 (& Xbone) exclusivity of DX11.2...they are 'forcing' people to upgrade and #dealwithit!

mewhy323951d ago

Micro$oft lost my respect with the DRM issue. Even though they've done a 180 it's too late. It showed what they really thought of the gamers out there and how low their opinions were of us. Shame on you Micro$oft, shame on you.

-SIXAXIS-3951d ago

@kreate: Google already has a desktop OS called Chrome OS. The reason it hasn't really taken off though (IMO) is because it relies heavily on having internet access. All your applications and files live on their servers, basically making your computer useless unless you have an active internet connection.

Braid3951d ago

I can't understand the hate towards Windows 8. It's not as innovative as XP, and Windows Vista was a total disaster in terms of performance, I can agree with those. But Windows 8 looks well, works well, performs well on games.

I'm using 8.1 user preview right now and it's quite stable. It finally boots up quite fast, which was a major drawback when compared to Mac OS X (which I believe is still superior). But is it something to "hate"? I don't think so.

I mean the "start button" controversy... really? There are softwares that bring your mighty start button back if you're so missing it.

Cueil3951d ago

@badz149 now you're just showing your butt... Windows 8 is actually smaller and less resource intensive then Windows 7. Not only that it's memory management is better

DragonKnight3951d ago

How many of you read the article? There are plenty of stupid comments in the article to talk about. Like the continued idea that Microsoft were bringing us into the future with their DRM and Sony are bad because they don't have DRM. What?

kreate3951d ago

@sixaxis

i know they got os for phones/tablets but i didnt know it was for a pc. hopefully they make one so that its similar setup as windows.

malokevi3951d ago

Microsoft: "Dear Nolan Albert: We care?"

What a slanted spiel. In spite of this guys... eherm... "opinions"... the XB1 is going to be an awesome gaming console. Period.

"Respect" is going to mean less and less to this fool when there is epic amounts of fun to be had, and he's still clinging to his half-baked principals.

Utalkin2me3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

They lost my respect with the Xbox360. And thats why i do not let people or a companies take advantage of me. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

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Swiggins3951d ago

Can't wait till Windows 9 when they fix everything and then act like you should be happy that they're charging you for it.

I swear every other window's OS is a beta test for the next one.

Eddie201013951d ago

Everyone by now should know that every other windows operating system is a cash grab for Microsoft. ME, Vista, Windows 8.

Autodidactdystopia3950d ago

I think ME is closest the the complete garbage that windows 8 is.

performance may be better but you'll be needing that to navigate their hyper confusing new
"way"

truthteller3951d ago

Windows 8 was made for tablets. MS said that Win 7 is for PCs...stop complaining

Smoovekid3951d ago

Then why did they put it on PC?

jmc88883951d ago

No, they've been selling Windows 8 as an all in one type of OS.

See...you can link your smartphone with your PC.

Yeah, but I only tolerate the horrible versus PC interface because it's a phone.

My PC isn't a phone. It isn't a tablet.

When are people going to hit them that their Xbox 180 and their Windows 8.1 still doesn't address most of their complaints.

Kinect2 is still required for the Xbox One
Windows 8.1 still doesn't have all the Windows 7 features

What truthteller doesn't realize is that to M$, it doesn't matter that your PC isn't a smartphone. They said that their metro ui and interface was THE FUTURE. (why is that everyone that wants us to backtrack talks about THE FUTURE...because its propaganda)

People are catching on that their potential console has been botched. They focused their precious time creating unnecessary casual features that most casuals don't care about.

You mean I can surf through cable better using a voice interface?

NOPE. Good luck screaming at your xbox to cycle through a guide. You know where you hit the button that goes up five channels on the guide at a time since you can scan it and move on.

The remote control will still be much faster in perusing and selecting a channel.

It's stupid stuff like this that Microsoft has done. Not focus on the actual hardware and games, but worrying about how to reinvent the remote control....in an inferior fashion, a completely useless feature.

Again what if my fantasy football league isn't through NFL.COM? What about people in other countries? What other sports are they doing it with?

Their so called new features they spent all this time on, are worthless. Now they are scrambling to actually get the console out, and RRoD part 2 I see ahead.

buckley3951d ago

Well that's a classic example of an apologist.

MarkusMcNugen3951d ago

@jmc8888
So hate Windows 8 and Kinext 2.0 and dont purchase them if you dont like them. Kinect 2.0 being mandatory isnt necessarily a bad thing. One of the main reasons devs didnt utilize it and people found it a gimmick was because it was an optional add-on. Where is the motivation to develop features for something the majority of your audience will not use? What features is Windows 8.1 missing that Windows 7 has? A start menu? Dont like Metro? Get the free software for a start button, or better yet learn some shortcuts in 5 minutes and you never have to use the Modern UI again. Or dont purchase Windows 8.

Talking about the future or your products is not propaganda. They were trying to unify the experience for all their devices into one coherent ecosystem. Apps developed for modern UI would be available on your Windows 8 phone, Surface tablet, Xbox One, and PC. Its a noteworthy attempt and a great idea for deving purposes, however it probably could have been done in a better way; resizable metro apps pinned to parts of the screen on the desktop is one example for the Windows desktop environment.

You think the features they developed was a waste of time. Thats a personal opinion. Judging by the number of Kinects sold last gen and users of Skype, Im sure plenty of people will find enjoyment from these services. Perhaps just not you.

Yeah, it may be easier to use a remote control for naivgation. Although its possible that with a flick of your arm or hitting the right bumper on the controller will do the exact same thing. They are a software company after all... this doesnt seem like much of a stretch. Also seems a lot more convienent to just say "Xbox Watch Fox" or "Xbox Watch Family Guy" rather than having memorize the numbers for every channel or scrolling through the guide trying to find one channel. Considering the voice recognition of the first kinect, I have to imagine kinect 2.0 will be even better at it considering the hardware and software improvements that have been made.

The NFL fantasy football feature isnt for you. Are you really making the argument that because a software feature doesnt appease every single user that its worthless? You sir would do well to stay out of the software industry, you can never appease all customers.

RROD part 2 eh? Its possible, then again so is manufacturing problems for the PS4. The possibillity exists that not every single console has been manufactured and tested perfectly and some will get YLODs. This is a normal part of manufacturing, and has some complex formulas that accompany it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Now you may be saying to yourself, this guy must be a microsoft fanboy. Hell no. They have made a lot of crappy products and services throughout the years. Windows Vista was worthy of the hate it recieved, and Windows ME is the worst OS to ever exist period. Hotmail has always been a crappy email service, and Windows Messenger was crap for the last 8 years. Their windows mobile OS was an atrocity that never should have been made (No I am not talking about Windows Phone 7 or 8, I mean Windows Mobile OS.

Every company takes risks and produces some crap products. Sony fills their laptops with tons of useless bloatware, and for the longest time was putting rootkits on their own laptops.

Its clear from looking at your previous comments that you absolutely hate microsoft and want to manufacture as much artifical hate for the company as possible. You dont like their recent products, I get it and that is fine. I dislike Apple products and really hate the company, but I respect what they have accomplished and dont dog on them every single chance I get because I hate some of their products.

DragonKnight3951d ago

"Kinect 2.0 being mandatory isnt necessarily a bad thing."

Yeah it is. Name one reason why a console should be unable to function without a camera add on?

"One of the main reasons devs didnt utilize it and people found it a gimmick was because it was an optional add-on."

No, people found it to be a gimmick because it was Microsoft's answer to the Wiimote and devs didn't use it because it sucked. It's as simple as that. The only games the Kinect would function well on were dance games.

"Where is the motivation to develop features for something the majority of your audience will not use?"

What makes you think people will use the Kinect 2.0 anyway? Just because it'll be on doesn't mean it'll be used.

"Judging by the number of Kinects sold last gen and users of Skype, Im sure plenty of people will find enjoyment from these services. Perhaps just not you."

How many of those Kinect sales were bundles again? Skype is free and unnecessary on a console that already had a good enough chat system. How many people do you know that said "gee, I wish I could Skype while watching tv?"

"Also seems a lot more convienent to just say "Xbox Watch Fox" or "Xbox Watch Family Guy" rather than having memorize the numbers for every channel or scrolling through the guide trying to find one channel."

What? For starters, it's painfully obvious that the Kinect 2.0 will have problems with the voice command. I predict many a video of people showing how many times they have to yell to get it to work properly. Secondly, memorize numbers? You act as though that's such a difficult inconvenience. People memorize phone numbers for goodness sake.

I understand that you're trying to play Devil's Advocate, but some of your points are pretty terrible. Just before Microsoft's console reveal, most were going into it with an open mind hoping that MS would make the console gamers would line up to buy. But since their reveal up until this very day, they've proven that their interest is not in the people that built the Xbox brand from nothing to nearly 100 million total console sales across 2 generations.

Microsoft are doing it wrong this time. Sorry, but it's true. The 360 is more of a gaming console than the Xbox One right now. And that's pretty sad.

MikeMyers3950d ago (Edited 3950d ago )

@DragonKnight,
"The 360 is more of a gaming console than the Xbox One right now. And that's pretty sad."

Sad for who, you? The same person who continued to trash the Xbox 360? Most people would have simply moved on, started talking about things they are interested instead of meddling with Xbox fans on daily basis telling everyone what trash game systems Microsoft releases. You know who does that? Trolls and fanboys.

We've already witness a bunch of games for the Xbox One yet you've somehow come to the conclusion the Xbox One is less of a game system than the Xbox One because it has Kinect? Why would anyone take your input seriously when you've done nothing but bash the Xbox 360 and carried that ignorance to the Xbox One?

Microsoft has more games in development now than at any time in the Xbox history. I think Sony fans feel threatened otherwise they would just ignore it. They dropped DRM for disc based games so they don't even have that angle anymore to hold onto that it will somehow affect the PS4. What's left, Kinect 2 will be so popular that Sony will be forced to make their camera mandatory? Must be some reason to keep trolling Xbox One articles because the choice is clear, buy the PS4 if you hate the Xbox One so much.

DragonKnight3950d ago

@Mike: Are you ever going to understand that I don't give a damn what you are saying to me because as soon as I see your name replying to me the first thing I'll ever think of replying to you with is the question you're afraid to answer? That being why do you persist to follow me around everywhere seeking only to oppose everything I say like an immature child after you were restricted for commenting for 2 days?

Or is that question simply too complicated for you to understand? Pay attention: You are wasting everyone's time here. I will never reply to any question you ask, any jab you make, any troll attempt you spew because you are too afraid to answer a simple question yet continue to follow me around like a lost puppy. Any other person would understand what "wasting time" is except you.

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fermcr3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

Another article by a Sony raging blind fanboy !!!

Seriously!!! Enough with these stupid fanboy articles. How do these articles always get approved ?

So Microsoft launched campaigns to tarnish the PS4's name ? Seriously !!! Every company launches campaigns to promote their product, and many times they compare their product to the competition's products, saying, GOD FORBID, that their product is better then the competition... every company does this, and yes, even Sony does it.

EDIT: Aren't you the smart one! If it's not to be read, then don't put it on N4G. These articles just show how low fanboys can go.

Smoovekid3951d ago

If you think that they are stupid then don't read or comment on them.

nolander643951d ago

Yes. But most companies also try to say why theirs is a better product, not just why the other product isn't actually as good as you think it is. And if N4G didn't allow opinions, I don't think they'd have an "opinion article" category.

fermcr3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

Yes, N4G has a "opinion article" category, but this is a "article" about a fanboy raving about. If you consider this a valid "opinion piece", then why don't we put on N4G all the "opinion articles" made by raging fanboys we encounter in the internet. N4G is going to be full of lovely "opinion piece's"

YNWA963951d ago

Not a Sony lover, but his profile at bottom contradicts.... Sony not interested in money it seems, just want to see how many people release commandos every time they speak...

karl3951d ago

c mon m8.. sony is to busy talking about the ps4 to waste time talking about the xbox one.

i totally agree with u.. but if there is anything positive about the console why not talk about it?

they keep talking about ps4 and changing policies cuz they have nothing to show for that brick.

they have to equal the xbox to the ps4 as much as possible before launch and since its an inferior piece of tech... they can only keep advertising the amazing power of the cloud.

besides .. they are the pricks that tried to push DRM on us... why not let them be burn till launch by this articleS?

seriously i wouldnt normally approve..but they kinda deserve a hundred articles about how they suck every week .. just soo no one misses it

creatchee3951d ago

@karl

"c mon m8.. sony is to busy talking about the ps4 to waste time talking about the xbox one."

Did you miss the part of their E3 conference where they went out of their way to announce no DRM, no check-ins, and no used game restrictions AKA to say that they wouldn't be doing what Microsoft was doing (at the time)? Or perhaps you missed that video about how to share PS4 games with your friends?

karl3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

tsss

u got me there..
i was totally trolling in that first sentence..

ok, you are right.. but since MS is in the shitty side of things right now, it kinda looks as a desperate move to save themself and it only makes them look worse

SONY has made a direct attack to MS during E3 but i believe it was justified ..

it won them E3.. and the advantage they got was huge..

i dont see the point in MS mentioning sony and comparing themself to the ps4.. it wont do them any good ... they should focus on TV, sports, the exclusives they have, kinect and well...

appeal to those who are interested in that.. they may replace millions of gamers with ppl who want those things... and sell even better than the playstation.. who knows?

they need to just shut up and keep doing what u did during E3...

Groo3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

@fermcr

Its not about bashing on the competition, its about how you treat consumers. MS has no class, they bash on the people that won't support them just like they do with the competition. I don't hear about Sony going around talking trash about gamers, Sony's stance is to give the Gamers what they want and REALLY listening to consumer feedback as well as Developers, not once have I heard or read MS say that.. MS started out by saying this is how we are gonna do things (DRM) and throwning Publishers under the bus by saying its up to the publishers if they want to use the DRM policies, MS's stance is, This is our product, this is the features it has, if you dont like it FU. Its a shame..

Elwenil3951d ago

@ creatchee

That's funny, I don't remember Sony mentioning Microsoft or any Microsoft product during either of those two statements. Do you? They didn't outright put the competition down, they simply showed an alternative that their product was capable of. Microsoft constantly talking about the PS4 specs and how they don't matter is about akin to a dirty politician talking trash about the competition at election time.

Just my .02

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Lionsguard3951d ago

It'll be a terrible day in hell if games become windows 8 only.

superterabyte3951d ago

If I was a Pc gamer I would probs commit suicide =/. But I'm not so doesn't bother me that much. PC gamers will find a route out of it anyway like they did with Vista.

MarkusMcNugen3951d ago

This wont happen unless game developers choose to make their games DirectX 11.2 only. In which case that is on the devs, not Microsoft. Devs always have the option of supporting multiple versions of DirectX, which can be seen with most PC games today. They let you choose which version to use.

dark-hollow3951d ago

Another fanboish opinion piece. Alright we get it. N4G hates the Xbox one.
Do we need 100000 articles repeat the same thing? It's like an echo chamber.

Hello_World3951d ago

I know you don't believe it's only n4g that hates the Xbone. I suggest you take a look around the web and the cultural shift among gamers and media on IGN, Gametrailers, YouTube, Neogaf and every negative article n4g links from to truly understand the anti-Xbox sentiment the gaming community is expressing.

superterabyte3951d ago

The only people who still like the Xbone are dudebros from 'Merica. People who are irrational and delusional beyond belief.

SkyGamer3950d ago

Keep saying that when all you have left are the big publishers and you have no variety in games as all the smaller studios have gone bankrupt. So what happens to your precious gaming then? Oh and sony respects the gamer? Are you freaking kidding? Go get another job to help us pay for the ridiculous r&d for ps3. Sure sony was thinking about you on that 600 price tag... so lame, I'm going to delete my n4g account. Same old bs. Condemn this site. No take backs.

Mounce3951d ago

They lost my respect at Windows ME, you think Windows 8 was the first shitty Windows OS?

ME, Vista, and then 8, I'll likely feel the same to this apparent 'Windows 8.1 or 8.2' or whatever the hell it is.

buckley3951d ago

This. This this this this this.

I worked in PC repair when Windows ME came out. We called it Windows Migraine Edition.

XP was great. Then Vista was a travesty. Then 7 was great again. Now 8 is crappy but only really because of the Metro interface. And if you load up a 3rd party start menu like classicshell (which is free), you never need to see Metro again. The OS as a whole gets a bad rap because the changes under the hood are quite good.

8 has nothing on ME or Vista

Mounce3951d ago

@buckley - Glad there's another who understands the pains I had to go through with ME.

Don't forget, Windows 2000 was GREAT! When 2000 replaced ME for me? Was like heaven, or at least was so common and basic that in comparison to ME, it made 2000 just look like pure gold at the time.

MarkusMcNugen3951d ago

@buckley

Well said my man. Too many people hate on Windows 8 simply because of the Metro UI. The OS is actually really great, its just Metro that is clunky. Kudos and bubs to you for being one of the more rational and knowledgeable people to comment.

cyguration3951d ago

Even Windows 8 didn't have the respect of Microsoft, which is why they used Windows 7 to power their games at E3, lol

shutUpAndTakeMyMoney3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

windows 8.1 > win8

They did a 180 on that start button.

Red_Devilz3951d ago

They lost my respect with Win Vista

YNWA963951d ago

Just like when PS3 came out, Sony tried to diss the competition, but ended up flat on its face. But it seems Sony is allowed to make mistakes and be forgiven, but MS gets hammered no matter what they say or do? Personally I wish MS stuck to everything it announced at E3, minus the 24 hour check in, but however, turned out to be a bad day for gaming, and a good day for the kleenex generation...

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KingKevo3951d ago

Isn't that what MS always does? Alternating between good and bad?

XP = good, Vista = bad, 7 = good, 8 = bad, so is 9 = good?

And also: Xbox = bad, 360 = 'good' (it was ok, but not too good, especially in the last few years (personal opinion)), Xbone = bad, Xbox 2 (?) = good? WHO KNOWS

MarkusMcNugen3951d ago

Windows 8 is not bad. People just hate the Modern UI on PCs without touch monitors. Its actually a good OS under the hood. A lot of improvements were made that werent Modern UI.

The Xbox One isnt even released yet. At least wait till its out before claiming its bad...

MizTv3951d ago

After 2007 I just game up on xbox

2cents3951d ago

I hit my breaking point, though, with their latest foray into “Xbox One advertising.” On June 28, Albert Penello, head of product planning at Xbox, told OXM that hardware specs are “meaningless,”

erm, he said this right after the may launch... fool

Just another wate of space fanboy opinion piece talking absolute trash about Xbox.
Whine whine whine, waa waa waa, boo hoo hoo. Just go and play your PS3 and shutup

RM-TatoTiburon3951d ago

i love windows 8, i don't miss the start button, it's realy fast and stable

RM-TatoTiburon3951d ago

easy, it's fast the boot time are amazing specialy with a ssd disk, all my games plays realy good, it's stable and secure i don't even need an external antivirus or firewall, the metro app are fast and simple and i love how it integrate all my services with my lumia 920...it's a lot better than win7

SDS Gamerfiend3951d ago

Yes you've lost my respect and I've run over to the open arms of PS4!

d3nworth13951d ago

Dude dont even get me started on windows 8. I had to reinstall the damn thing 3 times in less than a year cuz there is always some random issue. My other laptop is 4 years old, run vista and I cant tell the last time I had a problem with it. With windows 8 the first time it crashed then couldn't boot up, the second time it would boot up but wouldn't let me run any apps or open any programs the third time it said it couldnt load Net Framework and a couple of my programs need that to run. The sad part is at E3 MS were showing off xbox one game running on PC with windows 7. They dont even have faith in their own OS.

chrismichaels043951d ago

Unfortunately for Microsoft, articles and opinion pieces like these are becoming normal among the majority of the gaming community. MS has completely screwed up the introduction of the Xbox One and all of their flip flopping and poor communication with the gaming public only continues to hurt their image and reputation.

MS seems very confused right now about what direction they are trying to go with Xbox One and seeing their top executive jump ship didnt help matters any. MS needs to take a step back and focus on getting their act back together.

DOOMZ3950d ago

This article lost my respect!

jaseo3950d ago

As an amiga gamer back in the 80s, dos and windows 3.11 for workgroups seemed so archaic and ugly. It's strange to me that microsoft has generated some cool factor in the eyes of some.

Thomaticus3950d ago

The only way to fix Windows 8 is with a new Operating System...from Android!

Knushwood Butt3950d ago

They lost mine with RROD, not that I had much respect for them in the first place.

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Godmars2903951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

I've found myself becoming horribly surprised at the levels of obliviousness they've displayed. How they seemingly think nothing about exploiting their fanbase, or that their position in the market is as secure as they think it is.

And I wasn't really thinking of them highly in the first place.

nolander643951d ago

They would exploit us all so hard if they could get away with it.

2cents3951d ago

So would Sony, they have done it before, they can do it again.
If you dont agree with that then you know what you are. I dont need to say it.

Cryptcuzz3951d ago

No clue why anyone would be backing up anything related in regards to how they have handled the Xbox One so far.

First its how the console is designed around needing to be always online with restrictions upon restrictions. ("You think it is as simple as flipping a switch?" Then after shortly after E3 they simply announced most of the DRM is no longer needed.

Secondly, Power of the Cloud will make each Xbox One three to four times more powerful then if it didn't have it ("Super computer level of processing") Then the developers are saying it is mainly for dedicated servers.

Indie Games will need to be published by Xbox Studios and patches will cost $10k each to Indie Devs. Then they did another 180 and completely changed all that to compete with Sony and its super Indie friendly policies.

Within a very short time frame from when Microsoft has announced details of the Xbox One, they have almost totally throw away everything they have planned for the Xbox One from the get go. Years of planning only to do a complete 180 on everything gamers from all sides have express disgust with.

jmc88883951d ago

With Kinect 2, they'll still be exploiting you.

Multiple ways.

1. Advertising way...imagine arguing with your husband or wife and getting some ad about couples counseling. Oh and this isn't just M$, as the above example actually comes from a smart tv patent.

2. All that data they can sell...like your body structure to your health or life insurance companies. I bet they could sell your info about soda drinking or smoking, or anything. You think it won't see your fast food wrappers?

3. NSA has it's hooks deep inside Microsoft and for a long, long time. Oh and Microsoft can't tell you the truth or they can get in trouble. Microsoft is completely 'compliant' with the NSA and was the first to bend over and help them. But hey, the NSA can gain the info just from hacking into the backbone of the internet, which they do. So on multiple levels, outside and inside of Microsoft do they have the access to screw you over.

So you're use of 'exploiting' is correct, and the vast majority of their exploitation is still a go.

Godmars2903951d ago

"So you're use of 'exploiting' is correct,"

But your use of "you're" wasn't.

:p

SilentNegotiator3951d ago

"All that data they can sell...like your body structure to your health or life insurance companies"

I think that's just about the creepiest, plausible (due to TOS) thing I've heard for possible Kinect abuse, aside from NSA use.

MarkusMcNugen3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

@jmc8888
Nevermind, just had to go a little ways down the page to find your NSA conspiracy theory crap about the Kinect 2.0.

Watch out! Your smartphone, laptop, and tablets have cameras and connect to the internet. And they are probably almost always online. The NSA is hackings thems!

adorie3951d ago

Takes a lot to chip away at the hardened fanboy exterior.

guitarded773951d ago

Yeah, that's a damn shame. I don't understand how some can be so blindly loyal to a company. I game on everything, and I'm critical of each when they so something not to my liking.

I have some friends that are/were MS for life. For some it was because their friends are there, for others it was Halo. Some of them have decided to switch to PS4 next gen, yet some are still loyal to MS.

To some of them it doesn't matter because all they play is Halo and CoD, and their friends/teammates are on Live.They just don't have the time to commit to other games, and they like the ease of access of MP on CoD and Halo. I could never limit myself, but I understand how some have no problem with MS. Even if I think they're crazy.

Sitdown3951d ago

Alright, let’s just get this out of the way right now: I admit that I lean pretty heavily towards Sony, and I have ever since I was a young lad.

Yelp, pretty sure this was a well thought out and unbiased article.

nolander643951d ago

And the next sentence literally starts:

"HOWEVER,"

Hicken3951d ago

Why not finish the quote?

"HOWEVER, I have never doubted Microsoft’s ability as a competent (and often more successful) company, nor have I ever written off the Xbox 360 as an inferior console. And, for the longest time, Microsoft was a company that held my awe as it was able to steal all of my gamer friends away, leaving me with a scant few to play on PSN with, and a strong desire to invest in an Xbox console."

Sitdown3951d ago

Probably because you can't take a "however" serious, when you already laid out where you lean. Dude said he was in awe of Microsoft, watched his friends go to an xbox....and despite saying he had a desire to invest in an xbox, he never did......and now he writes an article on having lost his respect for Microsoft.

GiantEnemyCrab3951d ago (Edited 3951d ago )

So this guy never owned an Xbox and now they've finally lost him? LOL

I always get my advice on a piece of hardware from someone that has never owned one.. /sar

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PositiveEmotions3951d ago

They lost my respect after the xbox conference the may 21 one

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7219h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle6h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18813h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio3h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga5h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21834h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga3h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

purple1018h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos7h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac7h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1016h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic4h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 15h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 13h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 10h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 3h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 5h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 1h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 13h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic23h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9022h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 15h ago (Edited 1d 15h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 14h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 14h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 11h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 13h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 12h ago (Edited 1d 12h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 13h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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