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The Double-Edged Sword of the Used Game Debate

"We’ve seen a lot of talk over the past few months about the future of used games, especially when it comes to the next generation consoles from Sony and Microsoft. There has been widespread speculation that either one or both of the upcoming consoles could be blocking the usage of used games, binding games to the primary user of said game." | Explosion.com

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JBSleek4093d ago

It has pros and cons and simply dismissing cutting out used games sales seems like a silly thing to do. You have to see the sides and the numbers and understand that used games only serves the retail stores well for money at least.

Both sides have a point and PC has already gotten to this point with no problem.

Used games will die for consoles as well. Maybe not this generation but the inevitable will happen its just a matter if they will let it happen gradually or forcefully.

DragonKnight4093d ago

What makes you think used games will end for consoles? Because PC doesn't have used games? Yeah, there's a legitimate connection. /s

Look, the used game debate is very simple. Stores like Gamestop need them to even exist, gamers need/want them for collection and discount purposes, and publishers hate them because it means they can't make money off the same copy of a game multiple times. That's as basic as it is plain and simple.

Oh_Yeah4093d ago

Yeah, and if they do go all digital and anti used they should do it proper by knocking that 60$ price tag for a new game down to 30-40...I mean without a box, manual, disc,manufacturing and distribution charges,not being able to lend your game bring it elsewhere etc. I see that as fair price.

EVILDEAD3604093d ago

Wow Dragon hit it on the head.

Well said.

Evil

DragonKnight4093d ago

@EVIL: We may disagree on most things Microsoft, but hey it doesn't mean we can't agree on other things right?

Too many people remain ignorant to the basic truths of the used game market and how it has so little an impact on the money publishers make. It's more about what publishers WANT to make.

3-4-54093d ago

So many GOOD used games they none of us would be able to find if it wasn't for Gamestop. Everybody forgets about that.

That is, unless you want to risk buying online and getting screwed over and not getting what you thought you were paying for.

At least at Gamestop I can search through their available selection and when you find a rare gem that just happens to be there it's awesome and makes it that much better.

I love finding random very hard to find games in the used section of DS, PSP, Xbox 360 , 3DS games.

SonyStyled4093d ago

i dont see used games being blocked. however i do see a larger scale integration next generation of the online passes

ACEMANWISE4093d ago

In theory it appears that used games effect the true potential of new game sales. I'm sure it's true to an extent but not nearly as much as the industry thinks.

The article states that remakes and rereleases of old games have received good enough sales to warrant this interest of eliminating used games. Yet they fail to realize that the target audience they are reselling to is largely based on those that have already played the game, collectors, and those a bit more serious about gaming...the same audience they are largely eliminating by changing the market.

They also fail to realize that the industry is strongly evolved into a social based activity. All the sales this generation have been founded on people. It's not about game quality so much anymore. It's more about who has it, who's playing, and where they're playing it. Sales are largely driven by popularity, reputation, competition, social status, and peer acceptance.

Controlling software by making them new is only going to benefit popular titles. Even then it will only be realized in the short term of the title's life.

Controlling software by eliminating the physical format will only drop competition further for the digital format. There will be less need or pressure to drop prices regardless of it's cheaper cost for the companies.

Controlling software by limiting each game to one account will only destroy the family audience as paying 3 to 5 times for the same game will be too much hassle to get a household to play.

PopRocks3594093d ago

I do believe that a profit of a used game sale (some small percentage at least) SHOULD go to the publisher. But that's not the way the market works. What developers/publishers need to do is make buying NEW copies more attractive.

Here are two examples.

1. Club Nintendo codes. Get free stuff for buying new Nintendo games. Works for me!

2. Sony's cross-buy codes. An extra copy of the game for your Vita is a nice little gift. I think I'd spend the full $50 - $60 for that.

Other publishers need to do the same if they want their new copies to sell. They should not take away something and require, say, an online pass for the player to have all of the content. They should offer more stuff should you buy it new.

Steckmech4093d ago

I honestly see consoles eventually moving to this direction. I understand that it is completely unfortunate but if companies are wanting to do this they will eventually do it.

Hicken4093d ago

So they'd do it even if no one was willing to buy it?

It seems likely that they'll try it. And almost a certainty that it'll fail, since the majority of consumers will not likely go for it.

If the console manufacturers are willing to push ahead with blocking used games, and nobody buys into it, how long will they keep it up?

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7212h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

purple1012h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos1h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac55m ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad41m ago(Edited 39m ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple10120m ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

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Sony Patents To Prevent You From In-Game Harassment By Reading Your Emotions

A new patent recently published by Sony wants to gather biometric data of gamers to track whether one is being harassed using AI tools.

Profchaos1d 1h ago (Edited 1d 1h ago )

I hope this is one of those patents that never comes to fruition.

I already dislike the fact you can pay a significant amount for a online service buy associated games and content on said service and get banned from that service over potentially a misunderstanding the bans are already handed out for flimsy reasons

I'd rather see money invested in a ban that simply removes the offensive players ability to communicate with unknown players allow them to continue party chats with friends but not with Joe blow on cod.

exputers22h ago

Agreed. Blizzard recently banned a college Overwatch 2 player who's dependent for saying "shit." Pretty harsh.

Profchaos7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

How rediculas really. You can't say a word that's allowed in most PG films and prime time TV but the game is based around killing the enemy team using guns, explosives etc.

It's just backwards.

just_looken8h ago

What your talking about is called block list

In 2006 a spaceship dropped of the playstation 3/xbox 360 i say that that generation was the last great gen with game functions/tech that has yet to comeback

Anyhow the playstation 3 if you block listed a id they could not talk to you in chatroom with either text or voice. But that was pre mind fucked 2018 when people were more human than sheep.

But hey gta 6 is coming out billion dollar budget without a single player custom character creator and without singeplayer coop off/online something saints row 1-3 had on the xbox 360.

z2g18h ago

Take my social security and bank account numbers too! Here’s a picture of my wife and our address.

phoenixwing17h ago

Cmon where's the pictures of your children. Don't hold out on them.

H918h ago

At this rate I feel Sony will eventually sell a room to play games in it where they can monitor your every breath

jambola14h ago

I genuinely get a bit worried sometimes when a friend says something that could be offensive In a party
Because I have no trouble believing some bans would happen when in a private party for saying something wrong

SegaSaturn66917h ago

I want them to censor erotic content by measuring my groin temperature so i dont get too distracted while playing black ops 2.

Popsicle16h ago

Terrible idea. Not only do I not consent to providing my biometric data, the potential for mishandling biometric data is almost a certainty. Positive stress and negative stress can produce similar changes in biometrics. Interpreting the precise emotion a person is feeling is not only invasive but could be easily misconstrued. I hope this never comes to fruition.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 9h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 6h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 4h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN21h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo23h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies19h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 9h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 6h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic17h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9016h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 8h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 8h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 8h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 5h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 7h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 5h ago (Edited 1d 5h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 6h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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