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Vivendi tests appetite for Activision, Microsoft Included

(Reuters) - Vivendi, the French media-to-telecoms conglomerate, has started testing the appetite of possible bidders for its video game business Activision Blizzard, five sources close the situation said on Friday.

Gorilla_Killa_X4307d ago

If Microsoft were to buy Activision it would be a huge move on their part, it would give them a few more console exclusive games that they need, and really put the hurt on Sony and Nintendo. However, I don't think Microsoft will end up doing it. Ten billion dollars is an awfully lot of money even for them. Plus, who wants a kinect version of COD or WOW.

NYC_Gamer4307d ago

MS or any console brand owner buying Activision would be bad for the gamer

Gorilla_Killa_X4307d ago

I agree 100% with you. It would be bad for the gamer and the industry as a whole, but we will see what happens.

HammadTheBeast4306d ago

Once phrase that can accurately describe it:

Mother of god »_«

MrBeatdown4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

Exactly. I didn't want EA buying TakeTwo, and I sure as hell don't want MS (or any other game company for that matter) buying Activision.

Not only does this cut down on competition in the industry between publishers, but if Activision becomes exclusive to Microsoft, it cuts down on consumer choice as well.

I'd much rather see them acquired by a company outside of the gaming industry. Maybe one that can pull Activision away from their "run it into the ground" approach to sequels.

joab7774306d ago

Yeah, but I don't want China buying it either. And a French company that owns universal music? No. Microsoft may b the best option. I don't think they would claim exclusivity on cod, they would simply make money on every sale.

gaffyh4306d ago

TBH though, it would be $10 billion well spent. It would mean that MS would win the next gen console race completely, and they would make their money back quite quickly with the popularity of COD. If I was in charge of any one of those companies, I would bid on them. It doesn't matter whether it's bad for the gamer, if they can afford, they should totally go for it.

Persistantthug4306d ago

Activisions whole business structure is predicated on selling as many games on as many platforms as possible.

You even imply that Call Of Duty would become exclusive to Microsoft's console(s).

Ok.....well lets do some quick math:
For every 10 million COD units they sell, that equals approx $300,000,000 gross to the publisher. You could even argue that they'd sell 15 million easy....but then that's approx $450,000,000.....and I'll even spot you another 50 mill, for half a billion $ gross.

While that's not nothing to sneeze at, it certainly isn't what ACTIVISION is used to. They'd end up having to downsize and layoff, and their value would be cut drastically.

Not only would what you are implying be bad for gamers, but it would be bad for Activision themselves. It would also be bad for Microsoft, and it would be bad for the entire industry as it would show a substantial decline for overall revenue and growth.

With what you are implying, gaffyh.....no one would win.....no one.

gaffyh4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

@persistantthug- No one would win, except Microsoft, and that is all that MS care about. Even if they had to downsize, having COD exclusive would be massive, and that's not the only franchise that Activision and Blizzard have that is worth millions. Fact of the matter is, if MS own the controlling stake, they could do whatever they wanted to do.

Whether or not they would be allowed to buy Activision due to monopoly/competition laws is a completely different matter. But if MS buys Acti, they will instantly win the next generation console race.

I'm not saying that this is a good thing for gamers, absolutely not, but it is a good thing for MS, DEFINITELY.

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Ryo-Hazuki4307d ago

MS won't buy Activision. They already make money off them without it being exclusive so why take that big of a risk when it might have reached it's ceiling and there next-gen console is close to release. It's not worth it from a business perspective

MrBeatdown4306d ago

Yeah, I don't see it happening. Of all the things MS can do with that kind of money, buying Activision doesn't seem like the best move.

For example, making Live free seems like it would entice a whole lot more people to jump ship than Call of Duty exclusivity. And it would probably be far less costly.

Plus a huge portion of Activision's business is in licensed games... Marvel, Transformers, and Bond games. Are Marvel and Hasbro going to want to let Microsoft have exclusive rights to those games and miss out on sales on PS3, PS4, Wii U, Vita, and 3DS? I doubt that. Or how about Bungie? They clearly intend for Destiny to be a multiplatform game and opted to leave Microsoft in the first place. Think they'll stick around? MS won't be getting the full value of Activision's current business.

When you get right down to it, a Microsoft-owned Activision wouldn't be much more than Call of Duty, some unsuccessful IPs like Singularity and Blur, and Blizzard's stuff. I don't know why MS would want to spend $10 billion or so on that, when you consider what else that money could be put towards.

I see a company like Disney being more interested in Activision. They can take full advantage of Activision's multiplatform business, and publish their own games.

nukeitall4307d ago (Edited 4307d ago )

For $10 billion, MS could almost buy the entirety of Sony and get rid of a competitor!

MS won't buy Sony (SNE) so relax, besides the FTC probably wouldn't allow that nor would MS want all of Sony's liabilities of a unprofitable business in the last half decade.

MS buying Activision doesn't make sense either, because they would be buying a huge portion of a business they don't want to support i.e games on Sony and Nintendo consoles. Also, it is far cheaper to create your own IPs than buying a studio. I think MS learned that lesson well with Rare!

They are far more likely to have bought Epic than ATVI anyhow. They would have then gotten a business in tools and engine, and technology assets. Makes far more sense, but even that seems a little unlikely.

I don't know who of the current publishers have the resources to buy up Activision Blizzard or at least Vivendi's half which is worth more than EA!

@NYC_Gamer:

It doesn't make sense for MS, Sony can't afford it, and Nintendo likely doesn't care about those types of games. So we are safe!

@creatchee below:

I think the FTC would, because technically Sony is the only direct competitor at this time. Two competitors are hardly enough, but then we have stupid stuff like only 1-2 Internet Service Providers in areas so why the hell not? It's not like the government is actually looking out for the citizens best interests!

So you are probably sadly right!

creatchee4307d ago

I don't think the FTC would ban a Sony to Microsoft sale, simply because Nintendo is a large player and Sony is a Japanese company.

extermin8or4306d ago

The FTC might block a Activision to Microsoft sale I can't see Sony,EA etc sitting on their arses and not at least kicking up a fuss? then again I'm thinking of actual ground breaking innovative activision games past COD4 and coming up a blank? sure there are plenty of good ones but none good enough to make me buy a new console atm; at the start of a new generation it would come down to who I think had better exclusives last gen (and i'd have to count COD etc as an exclusive for xbox) but I can't see it happening :p also at nukeitall; thing is the gaming section of sony and I believe the computing (vaio) sections were profitable on their own or at least not quite as bad as the other departments. TV's was/is their main issue

ddkshah4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

One thing is obvious for sure gamers don't know much about economics as demonstrated by B1663r and other microsoft and sony fanboys.

Sony is the worlds largest music record company. It alone is worth $10 billion.

Sony's financial business is alone worth another $20-$30 billion

Sony Pictures is also worth another $10 billion on its own.

Sony Computer Entertainment (playstation) is worth another $20-30 billion.

Sony has a huge library of patents that are worth another large billions of dollars to american corps. who like to sue or are getting sued for patents.

Sony's market value is low because of bad management nothing else. Also to you "economists" market cap/value is determined by profits and is completely different from assets which microsoft would need to buy in order for them to shut them down.

Also sony can't go bankrupt. They employ more people than microsoft does over 100,000 vs over 90,000. If Sony does go bankrupt expect a major crisis worldwide.

Honestly if microsoft did MERGE, not acquire, Sony then gamers benifits. A more unified gaming experience with MS software and Sony's first party gaming talent.

nukeitall4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

@ddkshah:

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but the fact is Sony is worth (i.e. it's market cap) $12.92 billion.

Anyone with a half brain can read that here:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?...

Hint: It's listed under market cap!

No amount of making up random numbers will change that!

This is well covered by respected finance news sites.

"Honestly if microsoft did MERGE, not acquire, Sony then gamers benifits. A more unified gaming experience with MS software and Sony's first party gaming talent."

Do you know that MS has more than 3x the cash on hand than the value of Sony in it's entirety?

It wouldn't make sense for MS to acquire Sony, because Sony is in a dire situation. Why do you think their value is the lowest it has been in like 30+ years?

raytraceme4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

Take economics you idiot. You do know market cap doesn't determine how much it would take for a company to be acquired right? Assets do. Market cap is the value of a company towards shareholders in terms of the profits a company makes. Sony hasn't been making a profit thus it has a low market cap.

Also I use Google thank you very much. Not that pos yahoo.

Dante1124306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

How the heck did ddkshah get all those disagrees? Micheal Jackson songs (which Sony owns) alone are worth 5 billion. Market cap/value is determined by profits and is completely different from assets which microsoft would need to buy in order for them to shut them down.

Sony Music Entertainment (Worth 11 Billion)

"In 2005, Jackson's defense attorney, Thomas Mesereau, revealed that the song catalogue had been valued at between $4 billion and $5 billion.[37] The company's song catalogue is believed to generate up to $2.5 billion a year; The Beatles' hits alone bring in $30 million to $45 million a year.[38] Jackson's other publishing firm, Mijac, which publishes songs written by Jackson himself and which used to be administered by competitor Warner/Chappell Music, is valued to be worth at least $450 million.[39] Since 2011 Mijac is administered by Sony/ATV. It is reported that Sony Publishing EMI is value to 11 billion dollars."

Source (2012): http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

smashcrashbash4306d ago

You are talking BS man. Sony's copyrights and patents alone cost a bundle. Microsoft can't just buy Sony. They have so many more divisions then they do all across the globe. you are over estimating Microsoft's buying power.Besides after the way they handled what was left of Rare I think they should leave Activision alone.

NoOoB1014306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

@ nuketail..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wik...

Sony is worth more than 12 billion. Maybe you take some economic classes -_-

ALLWRONG4306d ago

I fail to see how Sony fits in a rumor about Activision and MS. Why does Team Sony always make everything about Sony or bitching about MS? It truly is the only thing you guys can do.

DiRtY4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

"Market capitalization (often simply market cap) is the total value of the tradable shares of a publicly traded company; it is equal to the share price times the number of shares outstanding. As outstanding stock is bought and sold in public markets, capitalization could be used as a proxy for the public opinion of a company's net worth and is a determining factor in some forms of stock valuation."

Sonys market cap: 12.86 billion USD.
So for 12.86 billion USD you can buy all the tradable shares. You know what happens when you buy all the shares? You own the company. Sony can be bought for that amount of money.

Btw. Steve Ballmers net worth is 15.7 billion USD. He alone could buy Sony. I know you guys don't like to hear such facts, but sometimes you just havve to face it. Deal with it.

*edit* IF MS really buys Activision Blizzard (I doubt it) MS would have won next gen by default. The funny part would be that Bungie is working for MS for another 10 years :D

raytraceme4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

@allwrong

cool story brah... but ur own xbug nukeitall brought up sony.

@dirty

Sony owns most of sony's shares. Also there is no way ms can buy sony. Motorola was worth $6 billion before google bought it for $12.5 billion. You really think MS would be able to buy sony for $12.8 billion??? Um no.

If Sony was up for purchase, or files for bankruptcy, there would be bids in which google, apple, microsoft, Samsung, conglomerates, investors etc. would place bids in order to acquire its ip's or Sony itself.

If Sony were on Sale then it would have to go for far more than what MS has in cash which is over $50 billion.

I love how you xBugs think that MS can straight up buy Sony. It's way way more complicated than your tiny little brains can handle.

ziggurcat4306d ago

wow, i'm *shocked* to see nukeitall trolling with his usual anti-sony nonsense. /sarcasm

i'd like you to explain exactly how sony's in a dire situation.

Imalwaysright4306d ago

If Acti is worth 10 Billions there is no way in hell that Sony is worth 12 Billions. No way!

Sheikh Yerbouti4306d ago

@nukeitall

Trying to sound smart with very little knowledge? Going to a website doesn't mean you have knowledge. The market cap isn't a price you can take to Wal-Mart and say "Can I have Sony?"

Sony shareholders, out for the most money, are going have to sell you Sony. They, like TakeTwo with EA, are going to want what its ASSETS are worth regardless of how it is performing.

Read more than the Yahoo Finance page, cuz.

Outside_ofthe_Box4305d ago

And now it has been proven that nukeitall is a plain old Sony hater. nukeitall's downfall was his ignorance in economics. LMAO

@AllWRONG

Your fellow Sony hater is the one that brought up Sony first... LOL!

nukeitall4305d ago (Edited 4305d ago )

Looks like I pissed off a lot of people, but that doesn't change facts.

Sony has been deemed to be worth only $12.9 billion on the open market a staggering decline from $20 billion this April. In fact, Sony went from a $140+ billion in 2000 and is worth less than a tenth of that 12-years later.

A graph of Sony's stock history right here:

http://finance.yahoo.com/ec...

A company's dire situation is often reflected in the stock price. Why do you think they ousted their previous president, Stringer, and put Hirai in charge? Because Stringer was doing a great job?

Sony isn't worth more than what people are willing to pay. That is a fundamental how capitalism works!

MS can buy Sony if they want to, they have enough cash to buy Sony 3 times over, but they would be taking over the liabilities too, which I doubt they would be interested in.

Facts are facts!

Sheikh Yerbouti4305d ago (Edited 4305d ago )

Market cap is not a price tag. That's the fact you can't seem to grasp. If the shareholders say they are worth more, and in Sony's case it most definitely is, then they won't sell. If Kaz's bosses don't want Sony to exist, they can sell off everything and earn more than that 12 billion. : D

End. Of. Damn. Story.

nukeitall4305d ago (Edited 4305d ago )

@Sheikh Yerbouti

It's common knowledge you are only worth what people are willing to pay, not how much you want to sell. End of story!

Also, it's actually not up to Kaz to sell Sony or not. That is determined by the major shareholders and board of directors, so often times, companies buying will add around 20-50% extra on the stock price to entice stock sales. That puts Sony in less than $20 billion from $12.9 billion, still assuming it doesn't further decline.

It already went from $20 billion in April 12' to $12.9 billion in July 12'. Sony better post some good numbers soon!

Like it or not, MS could easily buy up Sony if they wanted to. However, they already got probably the healthiest business from Sony, namely the game console business and probably isn't worth nearly $13 billion in it's current state to MS. With less than half of that, MS could probably outcompete Sony.

ddkshah4304d ago

Lol Sony's financial, music, and movies division are its healthiest.

The PS brand is worth tens of billions to potential buyers like google or apple.

You really think that MS could afford Sony you are still way off.

Sony is way too big to be worth 20 billion. As assets show Sony is worth over $150 billion. That's how much M$ would need to shell out to buy Sony.

Market Value is bs.

Nintendo has $20 billion in CASH and no debt yet its market cap is less than that does that make it worth $16 billion to buy? NO

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perdie4306d ago

I do not think the games activision publishes would be nearly as successful if they went exclusive. The reaaon they make so much is because its popular across multiple platforms! Thats why I don't think microsoft would invest so much money in them, even though they would get exclusive rights to CoD, I like to think they are smart enough to realize that the sales would drop dramatically without CoD being multiplat

DeadlyFire4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

I don't think it would actually hurt Sony. Nintendo maybe. As Call of Duty might help WiiU sell.

Microsoft has never had a big MMO division, but Sony has had SOE running for years.

Ten Billion though even Microsoft can't front without some concern. Although if you look at this from all angles. We could see Blizzard and Activision becoming two separate companies again. There is also a potential for that 61 percent stake that Vivendi owns to be split up and sold in chunks or in a million small pieces.

Its a chance for a company like Microsoft to buy in a bigger share of the company if they do have interest in acquiring them in the future.

I don't think they would buy all 61% stake though. Its just to big.

WeskerChildReborned4306d ago

Yep, they would probably end up making COD 360 exclusive but then again, Activision would lose sales.

Crazyglues4306d ago (Edited 4306d ago )

If Microsoft was to buy this it would be one huge bad Move, just like buying Yahoo...

At the time it seemed good they offered Yahoo a crazy number, Yahoo being the idiots that they are said, No thank you..

fast forward a few years, Yahoo isn't even worth half of the money Microsoft offered it... Same thing would happen here...

Call Of Duty is Dying not getting better, and Blizzard is far from perfect - yes they are making tons of money now, but gaming is changing..

There really is no real benefit for MS, Call Of Duty is already on Xbox and making it 360 only or 720 only would not hurt PS3 it would just bring down the sales of COD..

Actually I just feel like Vivendi is cashing out while they can, while the pot is hot and they can get the most for the company.

This is a bad Move for someone Like MS they don't need this company, someone else who has no ties to the consoles is who can make this thing work, is who should buy it.

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Gorilla_Killa_X4307d ago (Edited 4307d ago )

Edited: meant to reply to NYC_Gamer

KMCROC544307d ago (Edited 4307d ago )

(Fanboy thinking)Hey MS what are you waiting for, your always stating that you care about the core gamer of your console. here's your chance to show us how much you care about the Xbox gaming core,besides with one swifts signature you can brings us a ton of exclusive games .(P.S bungie would be coming home)
(Gamer outlook) increase your bottom dollar in profits earned from the buy of this venture.

creatchee4307d ago

If MS bought Activision, it might actually make sense to continue allowing them to publish on a multiplatform level. COD sells a ton on Playstation, and there are many Sony supporters who wouldn't buy a Microsoft console just for COD. They could simply continue exclusive or timed-exclusive DLC on their XBOX consoles.

majiebeast4307d ago

Warner would be the best option for gamers and M$ the worst every blizzard game with games for windows live *pukes*.

KMCROC544307d ago

Cause they have done so well w/ thier other IPs (Cough DC COMIC Cough).

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7214h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle1h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Cacabunga1h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff218333m ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

purple1014h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos3h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac2h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad2h ago(Edited 2h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1012h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos1h ago(Edited 1h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic34m ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 11h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 8h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 6h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN23h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 1h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies21h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 11h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 8h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic19h ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9018h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 10h ago (Edited 1d 10h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 10h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 10h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 7h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 9h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 8h ago (Edited 1d 7h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 8h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde11d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197211d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville11d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan11d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde11d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197211d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197211d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier11d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto11d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts11d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts10d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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