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Pachter: Xbox 720 Won't Launch Until 2014, Rumors for 2012 Are Just Plain 'Silly'

Xbox 720 rumors have been circulating quite a bit in recent weeks, with multiple sources claiming that the next-gen console might even launch by the end of next year to give Nintendo's Wii U a real challenge. The most recent report stated that Ubisoft Montreal is currently working with 'target boxes' and "all signs point to the finalized console arriving at retail in late 2012." If you ask Wedbush Securities analyst Michael Pachter, however, it's all hogwash.

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donniebaseball4547d ago

I think I might actually agree with Pachter for a change. 2012 seems way too early given the sales rate for 360 still.

gamingdroid4547d ago

Yeah, I think the Xbox 360 is in it's prime right now with a very strong momentum. Not sure if releasing a console in 2012 would make sense although one can wish.

I certainly want the next generation to start as soon as possible.

RememberThe3574547d ago

I feel torn between wanting new consoles and wanting them to wait a little longer so that we can get an even bigger jump in tech.

I can wait a bit longer for the next consoles. I don't think Sony or MS want this gen to be over quite yet.

RBdrift4547d ago

It really woudent make since from a business standpoint to replace a product that sells a ton for Microsoft, and Sony just a couple years ago started making profit from each PS3. So I doubt they want to release anything too soon.

stevenhiggster4547d ago

I agree with RB, as much as gamers and devs might want the next gen of consoles, Sony and Microsoft don't.
They are still making tons of profit from 360 and PS3 and lets not forget that neither company is really making ends meet just now.
They aren't gonna go for the risk of launching new consoles just yet.

ApplEaglElephant4547d ago

I wont be upgrading my Xbox 360...

It is clear that MS wants to go the casual route. and i am quite frankly disapointed with how MS just practically dropped hardcore in the middle of a cycle.

They will prob have few exclusives at the launch of 720 to lure core gamers, but i wont fall for it. They will just go back to printing money with Kinect after a year or two.

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ApplEaglElephant4546d ago (Edited 4546d ago )

You are comparing games for 10 million user base(kinect) vs 55 million user base(360)...Games like Dance Central sold 2+ million. How much do you think that game cost to make? a milion bucks tops?

How about games like Halo? you are looking at 50 million bucks. 50 times bigger budge, but i dont see 50 times bigger sales.

Which has bigger profit margin? Dance Central. I am not sure whether you are blindly denying or just dont understand how this works.

gamingdroid4546d ago

I have never had any issues finding games, and MS keeps delivering big AAA exclusives every year with plenty of third party games to mix in. So what is the deal?

I don't mind third party games, nor do I mind playing some casuals games. Kinect Sports and Dance Central are both awesome games. The former which sold over 3 million copies and the latter sold over 2.5 million copies.

http://www.joystiq.com/2011...

Yet, we are getting Halo 4. We just recently got Gears 3, Halo: CEA and Forza 4.

Projekt7tuning4546d ago

So, since Michael Pachter said that. Does that mean it's coming out this Christmas? lol
j/k

tehnoob34546d ago

When the ps3 came out the ps2 was still the best selling console for many months

Mustang300C20124546d ago (Edited 4546d ago )

Yeah but the PS2 didn't go for 6 years before new consoles came out either. This generation is completely different then the last.

I have been in the camp that it will arrive around 2014 due to how the 360 has been doing. I just don't see them launching Halo 4, GTA5 and other games due out next year, and then advertise a new system. What game are they going to advertise with the new system as Halo 4 is being released in the same time frame? On top of that the 360 hasn't seen a price drop in 2 years. They still have that as an advantage. Nothing points to why they would need a system to come out in 2012(Wii U is not a reason IMO lol). Even if devs are getting kits today, I don't see any game being ready for a day one launch by next Fall. I don't see Nintendo repeating their success at the beginning of this generation with what they have currently showed. Nintendo doesn't have the same demographic players that MS and Sony do. They don't have the online infrastructure to compete with either Live or PSN. Those are factors that to think of.

Mustang300C20124546d ago

Yeah but the PS2 didn't go for 6 years before new consoles came out either. This generation is completely differe then the last.

I have been in the camp that it will arrive around 2014 due to how the 360 has been doing. I just don't see them launching Halo 4, GTA5 and other games due out next year, and then advertise a new system. What game are they going to advertise with the new system as Halo 4 is being released in the same time frame? On top of that the 360 hasn't seen a price drop in 2 years. They still have that as an advantage. Nothing points to why they would need a system to come out in 2012(Wii U is not a reason IMO lol). Even if devs are getting kits today, I don't see any game being ready for a day one launch by next Fall. I don't see Nintendo repeating their success at the beginning of this generation with what they have currently showed. Nintendo doesn't have the same demographic players that MS and Sony do. They don't have the online infrastructure to compete with either Live or PSN. Those are other factors to think of.

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Game4life4547d ago

I've been saying it for a while but there really isnt a need for new consoles right now. The price of consoles (except the wii is still about mass market price (200$ or less) I know alot of tech geeks want new consoles with all this stuff but with evrything that they want the console would cost a fortune. The consoles are also just starting to take off in my opinion. Try again in 2013 or 2014

ATi_Elite4547d ago

M$ gained a huge portion of Sony's market share by releasing early. M$ will continue with this strategy.

Releasing a new console now while the 360 is still selling pretty good is the right thing to do. The 360 will still bring in revenue while the 720 is sold at a lost until the 720 can be made cheaper and sold at a profit just like Sony did with the PS2 to help the cash flow while the PS3 lost money until it could be made cheaper.

M$ has already given out system specs to many Devs for next box games.

Halo 4 releasing for the Next box sounds logical (with a 360 version as well)

Xbox 360 is basically on auto pilot right now as M$ has no in house studio making games for it BUT i'm sure devs are working on Next box titles.

I think many gamers are ready for a next box.

dirtrider4547d ago

sorry, but i logged into say im getting tired of seeing m$

sony right now are the ones nickel and diming btw. so ill type this

$ony

morganfell4547d ago (Edited 4547d ago )

Hate to bust your bubble but it has been confirmed that HALO 4 is a 360 title. I am glad because I do not want to wait.

Microsoft isn't going to release a new Xbox next fall and at the same time release their flagship title for the last generation of consoles. How much sense does that make?

Releasing two versions means most players will just buy it for the current 360 which means the punch from a top title is nullified.

More info here including links to the confirmation:

http://n4g.com/news/890984/...

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gamingdroid4547d ago

Why not release it on both consoles?

Early adopters don't adopt early because they can play current games on current systems. They want cutting edge now....

PS2 was still selling when the PS3 was released. I think it would be a great strategy to move forward with dual platform release especially if you get both versions as an incentive to upgrade to next generation console.

That said, there doesn't seem there has been enough leaks to substantiate a 2012 release. Who knows, maybe MS doesn't even know....

DiRtY4546d ago

"The 360 will still bring in revenue while the 720 is sold at a lost until the 720 can be made cheaper and sold at a profit just like Sony did with the PS2 to help the cash flow while the PS3 lost money until it could be made cheaper"

We all know how this turned out.

Financial year 2006: 2 billion USD loss
Financial year 2007: 1.1 billion USD loss
Financial year 2008: 584 million USD loss
Financial year 2009: 890 million USD loss
Financial year 2010: 429 million USD profit

stevenhiggster4546d ago

Gotta lol at people sayin "the PS2 was still selling when PS3 released." Yeah it was, and look how the PS3 sold for the first year or two.

They'll wait till the current console well is dry.

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otherZinc4547d ago

Pachter is absolutely correct!

Reason:
M$ is launching their best selling exclusive Halo 4!
They wouldnt confuse the market.

People were saying Halo 4 would launch to the 720? Why & lose 60million XBOX 360 opportunities? When the 720 would only sell about 5 or 6 million? That's horrible business logic!

I said this before & received a bunch of disagrees! Hay, M$ wont even announce a new XBOX next year with the sale of Halo 4 next year. You can bet on that!

llMurcielagoll4546d ago

I agree as well, I don't know if this is a solid reason but I think 2012 is way too early for next-gen of gaming generally.

We still have games to come on our PS3s 360s Wiis and PCs in the current gen. So for that reason I personally think, nope not gonna happen in 2012 at least.

I think later 2013 or 2014 would be reasonable for the coming of next-gen-gaming.

JsonHenry4546d ago

I can't wait to laugh at Pachter this time next year. :)

frostypants4546d ago

Problem is, Pachter is ALWAYS WRONG. I mean seriously, how this man is still seen as credible by anyone is shocking to me. I guess he knows just enough to fool a bunch of stock traders who know next to nothing about the video gaming industry, but geez...

The 720/PS4 WILL be out by late 2012/early 2013. Period, end of discussion, rock beats paper, etc.

Dno4546d ago (Edited 4546d ago )

Actually you are wrong.

Pach guess at a wii HD... that happened

pach guess at a Call of duty online paying service and that was right.

He gets a lot of things right. (some wrong also)

Also your wrong. they announce new consoles at E3 a year and a half before they release (case in point Wii U). That means THIS YEARS 2011 e3 Would have new systems. It did not. No new system till 2013/14 thats the only end of discussion.

tehnoob34546d ago

Xbox 360 announced e3 2005 and released holiday season 2005

damnyouretall4546d ago

yeah i agree. competing with the wiiu is bs. if that thing cant atleast run unreal engine 4 then its not in it for the long haul. gamers are smarter now cause of these last 2 generations. fanboys of the more powerful console far outweigh fanboys of mario and shit

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Rahim924547d ago

So the 4th Xbox would be called Xbox 1440? Right..

3GenGames4547d ago (Edited 4547d ago )

This isn't about the xbox after the next though. Your logic=flawed. 720 would be a good name, after that they can worry about it. And who really cares? It's not hard to make a name for a system. I'd worry about getting a prototype working first.

Rahim924547d ago (Edited 4547d ago )

My comment was basically supposed to be a reply to Lugia 4000's comment. I forgot to press ''reply'', so partially my mistake

Lucreto4547d ago (Edited 4547d ago )

2014 seems to be a good timeframe.

Developers need time to work with the new hardware, then make an engine to work with it and then develop a game with it and they expect them to do with before next year while they are releasing games this year.

With the economy as it is at the moment a new machine is not what we need around now.

hennessey864546d ago

microsoft could release a new console next year and suprise us all, I think the main difference from last gen is that they have the install base to continue to support the 360 like sony did with the ps2. I think they will probably release in 2013 but we wont have to wait till 2014 thats way too long. 2012 will be the last big year for the 360.

ForROME4547d ago (Edited 4547d ago )

They are launching HALO 4 in Dec 2012 why would they have their "new" system out in 2012?

They Wouldnt

They might announce it; and get people into Halo 4 and say the only way to play Halo 5...

Is on the "new" Xbox

See how that works

Jdrm034547d ago

Or they followed through with their "forward Compatibility" research and for gamers that are actually dedicated to the hobby, they can purchase the xbox 3 and Halo 4 and play halo 4 with better graphics/fps/performance.

hennessey864546d ago

was confirmed for next year but it wasnt announced what system it would be on, microsoft could throw a huge spanner into sonys machine if they release a new console next year with halo 4 as a launch title can you imagine

Wikkid6664546d ago

@hennessey86

Look at the Halo 4 art work on xbox.com. Sure looks like Xbox 360 to me.

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Microsoft Survey Asks About Handheld

A new survey from Microsoft has further hinted at the possibility of an Xbox handheld being in development.

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EasilyTheBest3d ago

This is definitely happening, I just hope they have 2 versions one with a much bigger screen.

GamerRN3d ago

I'll be happy with this, and a PC console hybrid that rivals anything we have power wise

Number1TailzFan2d ago

The problem with bigger devices is playing them on your side in bed, Vita and before that was fine. Since the Switch you gotta have a gooseneck holder & controllers detached so you can lie down holding them, or your arm will quickly get tired.

1Victor2d ago

@thesofware: “A much bigger screen than what?”
A gaming laptop 🤷🏿🤣

Kosic2d ago

Than the screen originally planned...duh... :D

darthv722d ago

it kinda already did... https://www.xbox.com/en-US/...

They are just gauging interest in one of their own.

crazyCoconuts2d ago

A Xbox version of Logitech G-Cloud?
I mean, why bother? Not like the G cloud is flying off shelves and what would Xbox add to make it better?
They're surely not going to create bespoke architecture here and there are already a few Windows handhelds out there. I have little confidence in their ability to put together an attractive UI in the way Steam did. So I doubt anything will come from this.

KicksnSnares3d ago

Day One buy for me if they'll make a dedicated handheld device.

darthv723d ago

i have that logitech g-cloud. Its a sweet little piece of kit. I like that it can also install games from the play store unlike the other android based handheld.

mudakoshaka3d ago

It sure is! Don't understand why you get the down-votes. Whoever does not like the G Cloud must have been dropped down a well, head first, when they were of a younger age.

PassNextquestion3d ago

I wonder if Microsoft will perform better in Japan if they do actually make a handheld since everyone says handheld and mobile are king over there.

TiredGamer3d ago

This looks like the future of the game industry... all three platforms with a handheld option.

I wonder if the Playstation Portal is a technology test-bed/prototype for a future Playstation handheld?

rlow13d ago (Edited 3d ago )

It’s a possibility but I can’t help but think would that be the best way to go about it? Though it would give you data on how much it is used and game type. It’s still not a true portable device and so people approach it differently. I think that data on phones, tablets, and of course the competition would give a better indication.

But I really think if Sony is considering a new PSP that could play ps5 games, now would be the time to dive in. Honestly, if they do this, it would be huge.

Traecy2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

Doubt if Sony PS wants to support a new handheld with first party games. Something they lacked with the Vita. What they should do is have a handheld that is like the PS Portal which can play all games but play those games on the go as well as at home. Something like that is a better investment.

TiredGamer2d ago

Agreed that you will probably never see a separate line of games specifically for the handheld (a la PSP or PSVita). The modern economics and expectations of game development make that cost prohibitive. What makes more sense is if the full-fat game on PS5 or PS6 has a special "handheld" profile that is automatically optimized for the lower spec handheld. There would be some significant compromises compared to the bigger console variant, but it would be the same game overall and would only require a single purchase.... somewhat what the Switch does with a lower resolution when playing handheld versus docked.

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Xbox Games Showcase Followed by [REDACTED] Direct Airs June 9

- Xbox Wire - Mark your calendars! The Xbox Games Showcase followed by [REDACTED] Direct airs June 9. More info inside.

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bionicstar3d ago

Will they show Fable 4, Stalker 2, GoW 6 & Perfect Dark?

PhillyDonJawn3d ago

Crossing fingers for Fable and perfect dark. And State of Decay 3

RaidenBlack3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

And maybe Clockwork Revolution, South of Midnight, Contraband, Project 007 & OD? lol
and whatever happened to Everwild ?
+ that rumored Wu Tang RPG

Sonic18813d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Will they have official release dates and gameplay?

anast3d ago

Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming.

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Lightning773d ago

It's an Xbox showcase that they have every year.

Make smarter comments for once.

anast3d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Tell me what a smarter comment is.

If they don't sell game pass the entire time, then I will be wrong. All of this can be proven once the show gets underway. Let's wait and see.

InUrFoxHole2d ago

@Anast
Anything you didn't type. Good day sir!

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Lightning773d ago (Edited 3d ago )

Wow too easy.

You went from MS going all streaming to selling gamepass content in which we all know they are.

Which one is it?

Pretty clear you don't know what a smart comment is at least you admit you don't know.

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anast2d ago (Edited 2d ago )

"Another game pass event with their plans to go all streaming."

It's both. I would worry about your own intelligence at this point. It seems that there is not enough to go around for you to worry about how smart other people are.

Lightning772d ago

It's just a regular event announcing games. Nice one captain obvious they're gonna mention gp stuff like they do every year what else is new.

The all streaming part is just you, being you I guess. They have streaming options but going all streaming again is just you pulling stuff outta thin air.

anast2d ago

You don't know what a smart comment is or isn't. You're welcome for the help.

Lightning772d ago

No you said something dumb then you tried to back track and mention GP.

Again make smart comments for once.

anast2d ago

And we have broken record syndrome.

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darthv723d ago

Wonder if they will address the handheld rumors....?

jimb0j0nes3d ago

For a brief moment I thought we might get a whole Direct for Gears 6 - seems like it's COD though!

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv728d ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle7d ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18817d ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio7d ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Lightning777d ago

What he said was facts. How he plays games is no concern of you. Don't get too mad about it.

Cacabunga7d ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

darthv727d ago

to you it may seem like the minority... but your bubble is shrinking because more and more are following suit. convenience is a hell of a drug and its also why physical sales only amount to 30% of overall game sales. times are changing, you either get with them or you get left behind.

neutralgamer19926d ago

Darth

30% physical sales: yet Phil and xbox division are in a rush go give up on that 30%. they don't have any right to give up any piece of the pie since the control such a little of the pie to begin with

also, the market is clearly speaking that the model Xbox is pushing isn't working right now the keyword being right now. you are right about freedom to play anywhere so i hope they put their games on steam

shinoff21837d ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga7d ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan7d ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

S2Killinit7d ago

MS is after diminishing consoles as a medium. They want to destroy this market because they couldnt win. MS’s vision is to dissolve console gaming.

romulus237d ago

Odd that a company that touts you dont need the hardware to play is already touting another console in the works.

darthv727d ago

They are not reliant on the HW but still want to maintain a presence (no matter how small) is a good thing. It shows commitment to the craft. It reminds me of SNK and how they made games for their own hardware (Neo Geo) while also making them for others because they knew there was a market to do so. They knew they would sell more to others but also sell to their own niche fan base.

TheEroica7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Perfectly reasonable post down voted by insecure corporation friendly folk.... But not gamers. Real gamer want accessibility and ease of acquisition for all.... Company shills are the only ones still telling us that hardware locking people from games is good for us.

Chevalier6d ago

@Darth

You should stop parroting metrics like an idiot without context.

"Xbox content and services revenue grew 62% in Q3 from a year earlier, “driven by 61 points of net impact” from the purchase of the third-party video game giant, Microsoft said."

61 of the 62% was from their merger so net increase is ONLY 1%

https://www.mesaonline.org/...

itsmebryan6d ago

@chevalier

It looks like made a great purchase. Much better then Sony buying Bungie. 😉
Cheers

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purple1017d ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos7d ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

DOMination-7d ago

In the last two years they've started exiting the consumer market altogether. All of the newest Surface products are business models only. They can't seem to work out what they want to do with it.

XBManiac7d ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1017d ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos7d ago (Edited 7d ago )

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic7d ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

MrDead7d ago

The only growth MS will get out of the console industry is if it supports it's rivals platforms. Xbox is a pointless machine now. I can see them on a big push for live next, and they won't give up on trying to buy Steam.

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