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Microsoft's Kinect Launch Lineup Reveals Imitation, Not Innovation

Ex: Earlier this evening USA Today officially broke the news (which as of this writing has been pulled from USA Today's Game Hunters section) that Microsoft's Project Natal's final name is Kinect. Most likely a play on the words 'connect' and 'kinetic,' the Xbox 360 peripheral is expected to make an impact with its controller-free, motion sensing technology.

Then why is it so easy to draw parallels to the Wii when analyzing the Kinect launch lineup?

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Sunny_D5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

So true. So true. Same thing with the MOVE. Motion controls are jsut a gimmick trying to copy Nintendo's style.

-Alpha5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

But even MOVE is imitating Wii Games. These games are expected to demonstrate the technology. They are easy to make and demonstrate the concept and use of the product in a way that everyone can relate to. That's why they exist. However, I surely expect more to come out of the products.

I don't like articles like this that try to start unnecessary controversy. People shouldn't be surprised seeing these early demo titles. The title of this article makes it sound as if Kinect has to be either innovative or imitative. Frankly the word "innovative" gets tossed around way too much for my liking, but the point is that these titles are completely expected and the title makes it sound like Imitation or Innovation are the only options. So either do something that gamers have never seen or GTFO? I hope no one has endorsed that attitude. I know MS tried to hype it as innovative but that's like believing Sony's PS3 really does "Everything". I have expectations for Kinect but I'm not going to deem it a failure if it doesn't "innovate" gaming, especially based off these demo titles. What kind of journalism does that? The idea is to see the technology and to build off of it. You can't expect complex games to form. Even Socom 4 isn't using MOVE exclusively, we've yet to see a game use the features of motion control more exclusively and we shouldn't today. The following week will change all of that.

I would withhold judgment until the 17th when MS reveals everything else about Kinect.

Remember, tomorrow is not about Kinect at all, just the 360. There is a separate day for Kinect.

deadreckoning6665065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

@Alpha- Bubbles up!

@sunnyd- LOL at ur stealth edit dude.

Aquanox5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

He's jealous because he wasn't invited to Kinect conference.

Watch the damn live blogs and know there's a lot of stuff apart from what LA Times revealed. Double vader's light saber included =)

Conloles5065d ago

Anyone who honestly thought these were gonna be for the hardcore market is delusional, these are such a blatant cash grab for the casual market. I'm pretty disappointed as now we're going to see hardly any hardcore games.

jack_burt0n5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

@alpha

"I would withhold judgment until the 17th when MS reveals everything else about Kinect. "

The natal conference just finished.

@alpha
LOL thats the broadcast of the jungle circus show which just finished.

-Alpha5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

@jack

No, it didn't. This was a private viewing: http://www.e3expo.com/

Look at the right side. They actually changed it, but now it seems Kinect's conference is going to be Tuesday, and today (Monday) will be about the Xbox.

@Conloles

First of all, I just understood your name. Consoles= Con"lol"es. Clever.

Second, motion controls are not going to take over traditional gaming. I do not for a second think a majority will adopt motion controls. As for hardcore games, what makes us so hardcore? Is it the fact that we play complex shooters? RPGs? I mean, I enjoy the Sims, Flower, Rock Band, etc. but apparently these are casual games. I don't care about calling myself a hardcore gamer. I don't care if Move or Natal doesn't have hardcore games. I just want what is appealing to me, and if something appeals to me then I will be interested in purchasing it.

ARBitrator5065d ago

Can anyone name ANY video game that doesn't draw a parallel form something else that they have hear or seen. What is this guy's point, he sound like a crybaby little biotch looking for something to draw hits to his site.

Overall, this article was lame to me.

Bnet3435065d ago

good read alpha male, you'll have 10 bubbles while we all have 4 lol. very good points man.

beardpapa5065d ago

well the guy writing the article is talking about the games MS is pairing with the Kinect.

He's not really saying the device itself is imitation, but that the presented games are really just stuff that the Wii already has and not games that really reflect the potential of the device.

The same can be said about the Move, but hey at least Move showed RE5 and Socom can be done. MS just has to show us that a non-casual game can be done on the Kinect.

-Alpha5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

Sony really didn't show anything exclusive about Move technology. I mean, even the Wii can do the Resident Evil and Socom motion that Sony demonstrated. Would you really notice the difference of the motion technology? This was thrown out just to show hardcore gamers they have Sony's support. I'm still waiting for the games to focus entirely on Move's technology. This was very easy for Sony to do and once they did it it allowed people to ask "Where's Natal's hardcore support?" Smart move by Sony (do I even need to tell you I'm making the pun purposely?) Sony revealed Socom with MOVE a long time ago but I didn't need to see it to know it could be done. I of course wasn't expecting to see complex uses of MOVE all those months ago, but of course, what better way to feed the war than to show a hardcore game with motion support. It was a clever move, regardless of Sony did it intentionally.

Most of what we saw from MOVE focused around those games that no one wants and from what this article is complaining about-- Wii Sports games, that are purposely designed for ease of demonstration purposes. Sony even used that mature fighting game, but again, it doesn't show anything about hardcore games, just outlines, very simply, the technology behind the motion. That's all MS is doing here. Frankly I think the problem is that MS has shown the technology all year and at this point people just want to see the actual retail games.

EVILDEAD3605065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

All year BOTH Move and Natal showed NO innovation.but now it's an issue because of the launch games?

The Natal approach was smart..show the red balls again and again..get bashed by the haters..and watch them huddle by their computer as the news rolls in

Move showed nothing that hasnt been done on the Wii..ever..Sony is just donig something that the Wii can't which is bring better graphics and control..

But Games..ALL have been done on the Wii..
Every demo has been a game from Wii Sports and Wii Sports resort..

They say it appeals to hardcore..but they showed a light gun game..but can they top House of dead Overkill on the Wii?

They use what was a really cool Game Trailers dedut in Socom 4..

But the Wii has been doing shooters forever..
Metroid Prime..like 3 Call of Dutys..Medal of Honer..Conduit..

Hell people sleep on the fact that it was the PS2 using Guncon with the pretty cheesy Redsident Evil: Dead Aim games that tried to innovate the FPS shooter with aiming techniques..

I've said it from day one..Move and Natal need to do exactly what the Wii did to be successful..pack-in a bowling game and some other mini-sports that the family can enjoy in the holidays and show off to other people..and watch the sales pour in.

The author of the article obviously doesnt know much about the games..because there really hasnt been a volleyball game where you set and hit like you would in real life..I honestly think that's a great one..on paper (watch it suck..hard in real life though)

I salute what both Sony and Microsft are doing..but don't sleep on the giant wall of games that the Wii has at your local gamestop..because they have done it all with motion controls ad nauseum..but the differences will ANY of the new motion controllers have a game like Zelda, Mario, or the new Metroid..

That what makes this gen so special..you got so many choices..for fans of ALL systems

Evil

Dark_king5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

well technical the boxing game is just a move game alpha.Then Socom may use both controller or the move with Zipper stating move players had an advantage over DS3 players.But the game I am waiting to hear have Move support is elder scrolls.Cloud got me excited thinking about using it for a game like that.Actully controlling your sword and shield,using voice commands to cast spells.Just got to love the possibilities.And of course any hard core natal game is not going to be ready to show yet.It takes years to make those games and they haven't had that long yet.Actually they probably haven't had six whole months with the final build specs to work with. originally the cam was suppose to do all its own processing when that changed so to would any game counting on using the 360 processor to its fullest.Better games will come,it just takes time to make them.

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niceguywii605065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

"Lame
The author has no idea what's really going on over there.
Who?Disagree(2)Agree(0)Nike | 18m ago"

examiner.com is suddenly PS3 fanboys favorite site again?

Blaze9295065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

examiner.com for ya. Quick, someone turn the event into a tweet so they can understand what's going on.

killyourfm5065d ago

Take a look at my article list and you'll see tons of pro-360 coverage.It's an opinion piece folks, everyone has them.

Nike5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

All you did was look at an ad and summarize that MS is imitating the Wii with Kinect.

No mention of video chat. No mention of Star Wars or Disney. No mention of Track and Field. No mention about the yoga and Tai Chi. No mention about what was actually happening on the floor. You just looked at every one else's rumours and decide to paste your own condescending opinion about it.

If I sound bitter, it's because I find it sad how Examiner's abuse of reporting tweets as news stories caused a legit Tweet feed by a journalist who snuck into and took pics of the event to get failed, while this tripe got passed.

It's not about you being pro-Microsoft or pro-Sony. It's about you being a complete and utter tabloidist only looking to stir controversy for the greatest number of views, passing quick judgement for the sake of some short-term hits.

@Parapraxis: Look at the statement that completes the paragraph -

"You just looked at every one else's rumours and decide to paste your own condescending opinion about it."

We all know MS's strategy for appealing to the casuals with their games, and it's obvious they'd imitate the Wii's library of instant hits. The issue is this guy's reporting. I highly doubt this guy went any where near those demos and tried them out. I'm questioning his credibility and urge to stir controversy just for the sake of N4G hits. That's obvious in the omitted details - you'd think some one who was actually there would mention light saber dueling with Darth Vader in Star Wars.

Parapraxis5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

"No mention of video chat. No mention of Star Wars or Disney. No mention of Track and Field. No mention about the yoga and Tai Chi."
MS is imitating the Wii with Kinect, if you don't realize this...wow.

http://yfrog.com/0y79qhj

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pain777pas5065d ago

Remember the Wii is a response to the eyetoy and that was Sony's baby though I can say that Nintendo is the most successful and will remain the most success full unless Move has a hardcore shooter/horror game that makes use of all the tech. Kinect seems to smell of fail but I want Kameo to succeed so I might get this thing at somepoint at a much lower price point.

Parapraxis5065d ago

So all casual games.
Awesome =D

MostJadedGamer5065d ago

Casual, and Non gamers already got a Wii, and are not going to buy another motion control console while hardcore gamers are not going to touch this crap with a 10 foot pole.

RememberThe3575065d ago

I think it's time for MS fanboys to drop this illusion that Kinetic will offer much in terms of a hardcore experience.

I personally don't see anything wrong with it. There will always be hardcore games so I don't see the casual movement as a threat. The more the merrier. I sure in the future there will be some games that incorporate Natal with the controller but I don't see it being a significant enough addition to warrant the purchase.

epoxy795059d ago

Im tired of debating

http://stanford-online.stan...

watch for yourselves. Sony has been reseaching and perfecting this tech for years before the wii came out. and kinect being innovative give me a break.

open your eyes!!

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-Alpha5065d ago (Edited 5065d ago )

Of course the early games are Wii-like. I am fully expecting these games to exist, they are pretty much games that demonstrate the technology. Even MOVE has it

I'm sure this is not all MS will offer.

@Kill

Natal's official conference is on the 17th. Hopefully they can make a final impression as it is the last major chance MS has before launch

killyourfm5065d ago

I know it's not all they will offer, and I know the software will improve greatly. But this is NOT a good first impression.

dktxx25065d ago

add to that - when they introduced it, they showed off milo, the super ai that you could have a conversation with. that, turned into river rafting.

not exactly what they led people to believe it was huh?

SOAD5065d ago

What do you mean? They completely scrapped Milo in favor of that river rafting game? If that's true then I'm really disappointed.

Milo's potential was pretty big. Imagine Wolfram-Alpha in human form. That could be Milo.

dktxx25065d ago

okay im not going to say they scrapped milo for river rafting, i dont know. i dont think milo was ever going to be a game actually, it was a tech demo of what it was capable of, so ms said.

im trying to say that ms led gamers into thinking natal was capable of truly impressive, innovative things. and it looks like they have absolutely nothing to show for it that is even remotely unique or innovative. maybe they have more to show for it, but i doubt it.

Unicron5065d ago

Indeed Alpha. But considering how much the media and MS have hyped Natal to be the next big innovative thing... well, this feels remarkably subpar.

I still think the best uses will be in tandem with controllers for games like those in the RTS genre (Halo Wars 2 anyone?). But as it stands, this is a personal "nail in the coffin" for my total NOT caring of motion controls this year, on any system. Until I see something that really is amazingly innovative from Sony or MS on the GAME aspect of these motion controls, that's a resounding MEH from me.

Tony-A5065d ago

I thought they would've thrown a hardcore game in there to steal some of that Sony commitment when they said they'll have things for the hardcore.

Instead, they did what I should've know they would do all along.

Ivan Drago IV5065d ago

"Only $149.99 US dollars" Riiiiver Rush! oh and this http://www.youtube.com/watc...

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Microsoft’s Surface and Xbox hardware revenues take a big hit in Q3

Microsoft just posted the third quarter of its 2024 fiscal financial results. The software maker made $61.9 billion in revenue and a net income of $21.9 billion during Q3. Revenue is up 17 percent, and net income has increased by 20 percent.

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darthv7220h ago

Xbox content + services up 62% while hardware down 31%... seems about right with the way they tout you don't need the hardware to play. People can play on their phones or smart tv or other means. I don't hardly play on my consoles directly since getting devices like the logitech g-cloud and ps portal. Which is to also say I have been playing more digital than physical because of these devices.

solideagle7h ago

you should apply in MS PR team buddy, I think you will do a great job in my humble opinion :)

Sonic18814h ago

I thought darthv72 and Obscure_Observer already work for Microsoft 🤔

dveio3h ago

MS: "Xbox services and content without AB up 1%, with AB up 62%. Hardware down 31%. In total a loss of 350 mill."

darthv72: "Seems about right."

MS: "Excuse m ..."

darthv72: "I don't hardly play on my consoles directly."

MS:

Cacabunga6h ago

I can tell people like you are an absolute minority..

If service is up means their fans and fanboys accepted this model and subscribed to it. The near future you will see a big decline because the service is saturated.

shinoff21835h ago

But that's been ms for years. When things aren't going their way they try to change the way things are said. For instance console sales are down, they stop telling how many sold instead telling us how many hours spent in halo or headshots. So it makes sense console sales down just say people are playing on more devices then previous. What they won't say is how many xbox players jumped ship to ps5.

Cacabunga4h ago

Hardware sales are so bad that Sony and Nintendo are blowing the sales off the water with their hardware.

If Xbox are losers, others aren’t..
Xbox already tried everything with Xbox live then subscriptions went down so much that they had to find something else. Their fans subscribed then reached saturation rather quickly.

Hardware and exclusive games is where it’s at! Keep gamers excited, announce decent software and people will support you

itsmebryan24m ago

@shin
Well keep it simple Sony 's operating income is down 26% and Microsoft's is up 32%. No MS spin there, just facts. 😉
Cheers

purple1019h ago

Xbox hardware revenue tanks to lowest point of Xbox Series generation

Profchaos8h ago

I'm not surprised surface is struggling they aren't relevant anymore

XBManiac8h ago

Too expensive hardware when others offer the same or more for less? Good work, Green Team.

SimpleDad7h ago(Edited 7h ago)

"Despite some early successes for Xbox games on rival platforms, Xbox hardware is down by a massive 31 percent this quarter."
"Without Activision Blizzard, Microsoft’s overall gaming revenue would have actually declined this quarter."
"Xbox content and services would have only been up a single percent without Activision Blizzard..."
"It looks like next quarter is going to be a similar story for gaming at Microsoft, too."

That is crazy... so A/B/K is carrying the whole Xbox gaming.
Oh and Microsoft will be fine. Windows, Office and Cloud are growing with each pc purchase.

purple1017h ago

Activision: "we gonna need a bigger rucksack/backpack please"

Microsoft: "why's that"

Activision: "to carry yo' weak ass'

Profchaos6h ago(Edited 6h ago)

Top brass have also wanted to start seeing returns on the 100 billion they have put into various Xbox related moves so seeing more multiplatform games is highly likely especially from abk

It's basically saying that PlayStation is the reason Xbox is afloat right now thinks to Ps5 versions of COD

Kornholic5h ago

So basically PS and PC gamers' money is keeping Xbox on life support.

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Microsoft Seemingly Closes Bethesda France

As part of its plans to cut 1,900 jobs, Microsoft has reportedly shut down operations at Bethesda France, letting go roughly 15 people

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Hereandthere1d 16h ago

Microsoft should have left them stay 3rd party

GamerRN1d 14h ago

If they are let go, they can be whatever they want. They ARE 3rd party now... 🤦

Barlos1d 11h ago

Yeah, they're also jobless.

GamerRN1d 4h ago

They can form a company if they want, they are just as jobless as if "Microsoft had left them as 3rd party".

peppeaccardo1d 6h ago

"MIcrosoft leaves Bethesda do what they know how to do best" ... close! Oh the irony ....
(Citation from a week old article)

ChasterMies1d 2h ago

I think Microsoft and other game publishers are letting people go because they think ai will replace them. Doesn’t matter how much profit they make. They were always going to be let go.

PassNextquestion1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Bethesda France was made up of roughly 15 people... they couldn't of being doing much

Bethesda France mainly did publishing and marketing within the region

blacktiger1d 14h ago

that's a shame for you to say that, i'm sure Elite loves hearing what you just said.

Mr Logic1d ago

What a stupid thing to say. The elites give 0 fucks what we say on an obscure website in the comments section.

Crows9023h ago

You can always reach out and give them jobs at your company man. Don't wait

Profchaos1d 16h ago (Edited 1d 16h ago )

Bethesda France focused on publishing and marketing in the region. And 15 people lost their jobs as part of the closure.

I wonder if this is part of Microsoft's strategy to abandoned physical media or possibly gamepass advertising makes their roles redundant you don't need to market a game as hard when the majority of players get the game as part of a sub which already promoted upcoming games

Tacoboto1d 15h ago

It's France too, there's a high likelihood only 1-2 people on the team even had an Xbox.

Profchaos1d 15h ago

Possibly guven all the leaks we know the Xbox brand is really struggling in the region.

Yi-Long1d 12h ago

Well, if your consoles and games are barely found in any stores any more, of course you're gonna struggle finding consumers ...

XiNatsuDragnel1d 14h ago

Tbh Microsoft I think Bethesda being 3rd party same with Activision would probably more competitive than thus scenario imo

Profchaos1d 13h ago (Edited 1d 13h ago )

I think it would have been better for all parties really especially gamers

TheColbertinator1d 14h ago

The recently purchased Activision French offices might take over all the licensing and marketing for Microsoft in France from now on.

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Xbox's Preservation Step Sets A Much-Needed Example, Especially For Nintendo

Hanzla from eXputer inquires: "If Xbox can care about preserving its games and legacy, what exactly is wrong with Nintendo, trying to kill game preservation single-handedly?"

purple10112d ago

Ahh yes the good old game preservation of saving all your games to a removable hhd on the Xbox 360, taking it round your mates house, setting up multiple tvs to
Be met with “save data corrupted, please re download”

Or how about removing 360 games
From the store
, download them now or else, and, better hope to god that save data doesn’t corrupt, or it’s lost for ever

Nice one ☝️

Zeref12d ago

It's better than what Nintendo and Playstation is doing. It might not be perfect but at least they are TRYING. Unlike the others.

DarXyde12d ago

Trying? Take off the blinders for a moment, mate.

1. A failure to preserve games is just that: a failure to preserve games. Don't try to sugarcoat it: NO ONE is doing it properly. Better than awful is nothing to write home about.

2. At the time of this comment, isn't it the case that you need an internet connection to play Xbox games even if you buy physical discs that are hardly in circulation anymore? I don't have a Series X and I can't verify, but I think that is correct. I'm fairly certain you can at least play PS5 games at version 1.0 (not much of a win really when many games require day one patches). I think Microsoft's all digital, licensing approach is by far more aggressive than anyone else's. They really try to push you to game pass where you lose your entire library by umm.... Skipping a month of payments.

I don't think anyone is doing it right whatsoever. Don't get me started on Nintendo, who goes after anyone looking to preserve their games better than they ever would with extreme litigation.

Don't be a simp for any of these companies. Get it together.

PhillyDonJawn12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

@DarX never speak on Xbox again. You lost all credibility with your internet connection comment. Smh you have 0 clue and misinformed yet speaking on something you don't no squat about.

Einhander197212d ago

What has Sony done exactly? You guys keep deflecting to Sony but I am not actually seeing any results, and ai am certain nothing that you can come up with even comes close to what Microsoft has done and what they have tried and failed to do, like tie all your disks to your account on xbone.

Microsoft removed their whole indie section when they moved to the xbone because they were going to only allow games on the service that came from a publisher, id@xbox started after xbone launched and it only exists because Sony embraced indie and Microsoft was forced to cancel their plans and reverse course.

And every single game that was part of games for windows live including disk games (I have gta 4 on disk that won't work) so hundreds of games that use that DRM no longer work unless the company themselves patched it out which of course very few did.

MrBaskerville12d ago

Not trying. Tried. they killed of the backcomp program years ago. They set something up again, but sounds like it's more of an attempt to save the current library on whatever they are planning next. With luck they save everything and more, but let's see. I could see them killing off parts of the OG xbox and 360 libraries. Can't imagine that they would allow us to play Forza 5-7 in the future.

With that said, I do like what they've done and really wish they could have done more.

shinoff218311d ago

Zeref

So killing off physical media is trying what exactly. Ms don't really give a fk if you think they do your kidding yourself.

Profchaos11d ago

They are not trying this team is established for forward compatability the team is. It interested in preserving Xbox or 360 games.

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isarai12d ago

Is that why Hellblade 2 is digital only?

Zeref12d ago

Just because it's digital only doesn't mean you can't preserve it. Just put it on an external and you have the exact same functionality of what a disc does.

MrNinosan12d ago

Guess you're trolling, but if you actually think that's how it works, I'd recommend buying some braincells.

mkis00711d ago (Edited 11d ago )

Volitile vs nonvolitile data. A disc will not corrupt either. A drive can be corrupted.

Einhander197212d ago

This is just a scammy PR move to distract from the fact they are going digital only and trying to push streaming and subscriptions only.

No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft.

Without discs there is no preservation, preservation can't be done by the rights holders it can only be done by the consumers, anything else is a lie.

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Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember xblig which Microsoft removed their whole 360 indie section removing hundreds of games from people?

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Zeref12d ago

Do you know you can put your games on an external and preserve them that way? There are no benefits to discs. ZERO. Idk why some of you are still obsessed with them.

DarXyde12d ago

Because games like Persona 5 exist. It's STILL V1.00. On Playstation, that's a win because 1.00 is installed on the disc—no need to download anything.

If a game does not require any updates, it's all on the disc.

Extremely low bar in the modern era, of course. It's not much of a win by any stretch.

But for now, physical media does have a purpose, at least on Playstation.

Einhander197212d ago

That is factually not how game licensing works, try plugging your hard drive into someone else xbox, It's not going to work, and it won't work if the licensing servers ever go down.

Einhander197212d ago

Anyone remember games for windows live.

I have around a dozen games, some on Steam itself that will not work because Microsoft shut off the licensing servers.

BehindTheRows12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

I do. I STILL have games (Gears of War being the big one) I cannot access because Games for Windows LIVE is total garbage and no one has held Microsoft accountable.

Zeref12d ago (Edited 12d ago )

You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership.

Chevalier12d ago

"You don't have an Xbox apparently. Because you can 100 percent plug in your external and play games from it on any Xbox console lol. You just have to be logged in to prove ownership."

Damn how many times do people got to explain your idiocy to you? You can take a copy of Persona 5 like someone used as an example and play that game on ANY console WITHOUT logging in which means I can lend the game to a friend without internet and they can play my game. Can you lend your hard drive to anyone without logging in for them to play? NOPE. That is a huge difference and if you think otherwise then sorry you're an idiot.

Tacoboto12d ago

"No gaming company has pushed harder to remove ownership than Microsoft."

Ubisoft is literally erasing games people bought from their libraries... My PS1-3 discs are useless on modern hardware. Nintendo's re-published and resold almost their entire Wii U library, and the eShop is completely dead with no BC mechanism in the Switch software. Microsoft publishes everything they make today day one on Steam and Xbox/Windows. Sony only brings to PC the titles they think you might want some years later and Nintendo won't even design a functional long-lasting joystick.

You're absolutely trolling and not serious if you think Microsoft today is the worst offender.

shinoff218311d ago

Yay steam

Not everyone fks with computers though. The disc is still the best way as a console player. Period.

Tacoboto11d ago

How do Sony and Nintendo feel about these discs from 2001-2013?

Don't be stupid, you know Xbox is the best at this today.

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Hofstaderman12d ago

Nobody wants this. Sales or the lack of it in the case of XBOX is very telling. I wonder how the adorably all digital series X will fare. Adorably dismal perhaps?

crazyCoconuts12d ago

Only time will tell, but for from someone like me suspecting that Xbox is trying to gracefully exit the console market, that "forward compatibility" team is trying to get Xbox games playing on Windows PCs. I mean, it's nice that they're not planning on exiting with a "enjoy your games while the hardware still works" message, so that's nice. They still have a brand to protect via Microsoft so probably feel obligated to have a better exit strategy.

Xeofate11d ago (Edited 11d ago )

That is not their plan, their plan is to transfer users accounts to the cloud.

Phil Spencer himself said as much a few months back, plans could have changed but I think people are reading way too much into one statement where Phil said he would allow Epic on xbox because he wants to be able to sell xbox games directly on other platforms. Aka, instead of selling Sea of Thives through PSN he wants to have an xbox store to sell his games on PlayStation without giving PlayStation any money.

Again, it's extremely unlikely that Phil plans to put PC on xbox and licensing would prevent them from just giving out other publishers games purchased on xbox copies of thier games on PC, Microsoft does not own their games.

crazyCoconuts11d ago

The thing that doesn't align with the cloud strategy is the giving up on exclusives. You'd still need strong exclusives for cloud streaming - it's still a "platform" , just with a lower upfront hardware investment. I feel like they've learned what PS learned with PSNow long ago. We're not ready to stream games and it's only gonna lose them money to try at this point

FinalFantasyFanatic11d ago

I would love that, I'd buy up some of the Xbox games if they could run on PC, like the Rare Replay, Lost Odyssey and Dead or Alive Ultimate, probably a pipe dream though.

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