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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly of the Halo 5: Guardians Multiplayer Beta | Hardcore Gamer

The latest creation from 343 Industries is frenetic, fast, and fun; it’s modern and innovative, yet it still pays homage to the legendary roots of the vaunted Halo franchise. Those who still have their Kinect attached will find themselves constantly shouting, “Xbox, record that,” as there’s no shortage of epic moments to be had in every 4 vs. 4 arena battle. Still, with all of the good that Halo 5: Guardians has going for it, there’s one glaring issue consistently slapping me players the face during every match:

Halo 5: Guardians doesn’t really feel like Halo anymore.

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annoyedgamer3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

I went onto a Youtube channel and complained about the changes but got beat up by fans. I think Halo fans are making a big mistake and are risking becoming apologists.

343 has not been very respectful of Halo. After messing up the release of MCC, the jarring lack of large maps to play and the atrocious live action series they made to introduce Lock we should be worried. I even got shouted out of Waypoint forums for ranting about matchmaking being broken.

I still remember one of the developers from Bungie stating that Halo was an arena shooter at its core and if the ability to ADS was added it would be broken.

If fans do not stand up for Halo, nobody will and 343 will run it to the ground..and they already have a head start.

Heyxyz3411d ago

Finally someone who shares my opinion (and I thought I was the only one)!!

Gazondaily3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

What is this nonsense about Halo apologists? Halo fans have continously ripped into 343. Yes you tend to get some apologists who accept everything but by in large, the community has bashed 343 hard and now 343 are definitely feeling the pressure to deliver, as they should.

The Halo 5 beta however was really good minus a few balancing issues. You can't please everyone though and the things some people are complaining about are contentious points among the Halo community :

* Sprint
* ADS for autos

Other than that, the limited beta was impressive. Some latency issues aside, it was great.

So we need to weed out the genuine concerns from the concern trolling from people who obviously don't have a clue about Halo.

ChrisChambers3411d ago

@Septic

"So we need to weed out the genuine concerns from the concern trolling from people who obviously don't have a clue about Halo"

That is not a job I'd want. Just reading comments on this site gives me an aneurysm most days

ChronoJoe3410d ago

Every major preview I've seen so far has had similar concerns to Hardcore Gamer, and HCG has been publishing I think for something like 8 years? you can perhaps assume that their remarks are 'genuine concerns' rather than attempts to troll.

gamer11383411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

Have your opinion. End of the day you can't please everyone. The majority seems to be happy with the direction Halo is going. It always sucks when you're in the minority about changes to something you're passionate about.

I've been playing Halo since 2001 and have to say I really enjoyed the Halo 5 Beta, the campaigns in MCC and the H2 Anniversary maps...when I could find a game.

EDIT ...and on topic to this post. I agree about the ground pound. I haven't seen anyone use it because it's just too clunky and slow to line up in a game where the pace is incredibly fast. ALSO doesn't feel like Halo anymore? I can only speak personally, I feel like I am playing Halo but a more...evolved one. GET IT! Seriously, it feels like the next step the franchise needed to take. We have MCC and classic Halo MP...when it works. 343 are giving us both. The old Halo we can enjoy and a new fresh Halo. But it is Halo without doubt.

Gazondaily3411d ago

The ground pound is really really useful. I've got a few kills with it already.

http://xboxclips.com/SEPTIC...

annoyedgamer3410d ago

Did you notice that it is very easy to get kills now? Read the article it explains it well. ADS is nkt the only thing mimicking COD now.

Enyxodin3411d ago

What do you mean by lack of large maps to play? 343 is not the best but better than bungie would be making halo 5! Just look how reach turned up...and destiny! Both of these games lack depth and bungie have lost its touch after halo 3 (which is my favorite in the series)

r1sh123411d ago

I dont have the xbone, but I got to play on a friends xbox.
I like the game so far, its still in Beta so there will be changes.
This is only 1 game type too

I know 343 have not had the best of times releasing the MCC but since the platform changed there must have been some rewriting in code for the multiplayer.
Both 343 & MS have kept everyone up to date by the minute, and have offered something due to the broken launch.

Lets see how they progress the game, but I found it fun.

This article says "you die way too fastt" LMAO
If you play smart you dont.

mhunterjr3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

You need to speak for yourself. I bought the OG Xbox day 1 for Halo:CE. I played it and Halo2 at countless tournaments. I felt like Reach and Halo4 MP were huge steps in the wrong direction.
I care as much about the Halo franchise as anyone else.

That said, I truly feel like 343i has a winner on their hands. The Beta IMO, Felt like the best Halo game since Halo2. And that say a lot. Actually, I have a hard time going back to halo2 and halo2a after falling in love with H5's new mechanics.

Sure, they've got some balancing issues to fix, but Many of us feel like 343i has a has a winner on their hands.

rxl2093410d ago

youre under the impression that hip firing was always intentional. it was actually leftover from a time in gaming where these mechanics werent implemented in shooters. complaining about ads is like complaining to a car company that your automobile isnt powered by an actual horse

Paytaa3410d ago

I've been a Halo vet since Halo CE came out and have been playing competitively since around 2006-2007. With that said, I welcome these new additions because not only does it make sense in the Halo universe it keeps the game from becoming fatigued. 343 in my opinion have brought the series to new heights whether it's the lore or multiplayer. They managed to blend everything from all the previous games and make it work as seen by the reactions to the early access. The Halo skill gap is still very present and that's what separates it from other shooters. Halo in 2015 should not be Halo from 2004 or 2007. I'm very optimistic that Halo 5 will be the next Halo 3 in terms of the community and competitive scene. People just love to bash 343 because they're not Bungie but refuse to see the positive they bring to the franchise.

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iNFAMOUZ13411d ago

they made halo worse yet again with sprint, and this strong focus on competition, its disgusting, what happened to fun team oriented fps multiplayer games

Monstar3411d ago

So you don't want halo to evolve at all? How can u NOT have a sprint feature...Halo should have had one since 3, the game feels way to slow and dated without it.

Sprint is just common sense for todays shooters..besides being a super soldier, that can jump so high in the air but cant sprint...yeah makes sense.

ChrisChambers3411d ago

I love the original Halo games with a passion, but after jumping into the MCC again after the beta the slow movement speed drives me insane. I'll still play it happily, but I never understood allowing a set-up like bumper jumper, where you can move around the entire map without taking a single step, jumping 8 feet in the air, but you can't sprint...

Morgue3410d ago

Ha!! I've been playing MCC and I'm like " I wish I could run " back in the day yeah it was okay I guess but when I played some MP, man it was painfully slow.

Gazondaily3411d ago

What?

Sprint made Halo worse?

But then you're saying the game should be fun and deriding the inclusion of a feature like sprint, which has only been an issue for competitive players?

Come on mate.

No_Limit3411d ago

If human can sprint, then I expect a super genetically enhanced super Soldier with super strength and agility better be able to sprint and leap. last thing I want is a tank.

Beta is awesome and me and many others are glad the adjustments are there to make it that much better.

ChronoJoe3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

Right, I also expect humans to be able to grab ledges, swim, be able to peek around corners... etc.

However, these features are not necessarily required, or do not necessarily make a good game.

spicelicka3410d ago

I really don't see wtfff is people's problem with sprint. I didn't even have a problem in halo 4 and not they've balanced it out properly with no recharge.

Hey guess what, halo 2 added dual weilding, it was never the focus on halo 1! They added usable equipment in halo 3, it was never the focus on halo 2!

They released MCC for a reason, if you really want to play the old halos, then you're free to play the old halos in HD on your XB1. What would be the point of halo 5 if it was exactly the same??

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mhunterjr3411d ago (Edited 3411d ago )

BS. It feels like Halo without a doubt.

In fact, Halo2 made more drastic changes to the halo formula than Halo 5 has.
Remember Halo1 had ladders, health packs, and fall damage. Halo2 replaced that with jump jets, full regen, and a chief that could survive 7 story drops. The outcome: more fluid movement, new combat options, and verticality. Still, the Core battle philosophies remained.

Halo5 feels like a natural progression of the fluidity brought on by halo2. Yet
the battles are just as 'Halo' as they've ever been. Again, there are new movement and combat options, but it still boils down to that perfect balance between footwork, guns, grenades, and melee.

ChronoJoe3410d ago

Halo 2 is widely regarded as the worst of the main 3, so what's your point? All that evidences is that change is bad, Halo 2's campaign was awful.

mhunterjr3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

Well, this is a discussion of the MP component, not the campaign (no one has played h5s campaign silly) and Halo2 MP ushered in the rapid growth in halo's MP popularity, and the mechanics introduced in halo2 are the ones purists are clinging on to (you don't see anyone whining about the lack of ladders, health packs, or fall damage from CE, or the lack of deployable equipment from H3) so...
By me saying Halo5 MP felt the best since halo2, I'm also suggesting I think it feels better than Halo3, reach and 4... You know the games that are most readily comparable.

spicelicka3410d ago

Are you crazy?? Halo 2 is widely regarded as the best halo for many many people, for multiplayer. If the campaign was awful (which it was not) it had nothing to do with the controls and features. So what's your point?

GearSkiN3410d ago (Edited 3410d ago )

Is everybody that gave comments here played the beta already, do you guys even know what's the purpose of the beta, feedback.
The game is amazing had a lot of fun.
And I'm a huge halo fan, I'm sure I know what halo is like.

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Master Chief Became More Than A Machine In 343's Halo

In Halo 4, 5, and Infinite, Master Chief became a more nuanced, human character.

In spite of the Halo series’ struggles, 343 deserves praise for adding nuance and characterisation to the ever-beating heart of Halo - The Master Chief. Playing through Infinite, it's abundantly clear that the events of the current and previous trilogies have irrevocably changed the iconic hero. He’s no longer the ‘blank slate’ that was previously presented by Bungie. He’s a fatigued, damaged and fallible protagonist, and one who is meandering through currents of grief, while reveling in his newfound agency. Giving the Chief a compelling and meaningful voice was no small feat, and 343 should be proud of that victory.

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This article completely misses part of the appeal of the original iteration of character in the original game trilogy. It was the Chief and Cortana vs an entire alien collective. The blank slate Bungie displayed in their games was genius, he was an mysterious hero a wide audience could identify with because he wasn't as clearly defined as most characters.

The books added a lot of lore and backstory but most Halo players just want a fun game with exposition that doesn't get in the way of gameplay, it's why the Cortana level in Halo 3 was derided.

Not every character has to be a damaged soyboy, a soldier has to suck it up and do his duty.

BandarHub407d ago

A lot of people give the 343 version of Master Chief a lot of slack.
But Fundamentally he is still the same character, he just has a couple more dialogues. He has not changed in terms of attitude.
"Not every character has to be a damaged soyboy, a soldier has to suck it up and do his duty."
And that's what he has done at the end of the day, he did his duty. Watch his partner die, and was ready to destroy the weapon in Halo infinite....he is still the same soilder that everyone remembers

Halo Infintes one was a nice balance between both.

slate91407d ago

Chief and the halo franchise became a joke under 343

Sciurus_vulgaris407d ago

The 343i Master Chief has is based on the books. However, in Halo 4-Infinite, the Master Chief overtime become. gradually becomes more willing to show some emotion.

Obscure_Observer407d ago

"However, in Halo 4-Infinite, the Master Chief overtime become. gradually becomes more willing to show some emotion."

Which is awesome! I love how Master Chief become more John and less soldier.

Sciurus_vulgaris407d ago

I didn’t even notice my typos,lol

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GameStop Kicks Off Four Pre-Owned Games For $20 Sale

Daily Video Game writes: "GameStop is running a new pre-owned game sale on over 1000 pre-owned games that offers four pre-owned ($9.99 or less) games for $20 across multiple gaming platforms right now, including PS3 and Xbox 360!"

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roadkillers648d ago

I mean, the deal is alright… Unfortunately for me the Serious S doesn’t have a disk drive and unfortunately for Gamestop a lot of those games are on or have been on Gamepass/PSNow.

Sgt_Slaughter648d ago

Given the nature of backwards compatibility on new systems, this is a great sale in case you missed out on some gems from last gen.

Mandingo2020648d ago

Most of the games on Xbox are on game pass. The Switch games in this sale are trash c'mon farming simulator that's laughable. The PS4 games should be cheaper. I can't wait for the GameStop going out of business liquidation sale.

neutralgamer1992648d ago

Seriously man I don't get the hate on GS and I guess you want even less options and give more control to the publishers

And you want thousands of people to lose their jobs because you don't like a company. One thing I have noticed is how most who hate on GS haven't shopped at the actual stores in years. Many who hate on GS have also done so listening to others negative stories or experiences. People on YT want clicks and hating on GS is the cool thing

SurgicalMenace648d ago

It's not people's hate that would lose people's jobs, it's the shady business practices of the company. So what you're saying is that because people work there individuals should just support what they don't want to? Sound advice; Hitler too had supporters, employees, and advocates but people go around hating him too. They only hate because of other people's bad stories or experiences; they only spoke bad about him because they wanted attention. It's been decades; lets give his way another go. With your logic anything could be made to sound good.🤷🏾‍♂️

neutralgamer1992647d ago

SurgicalMenace

Seriously you used Hitler as an example to say company has shady practices

You don't have to shop at GS there are many other retailers. I shop there and vast majority of my experiences have been positive and most of the employees are super nice

SurgicalMenace647d ago

Just having some fun, bro.🤣🤣

Mandingo2020647d ago

There are other places to work besides GS. Plus, their benefits are trash so why not work somewhere else?

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REDGUM648d ago

And none of those game you speak of you actually own as they are digital not physical & would cost more than $20 as the subscription costs more than that.

Mandingo2020647d ago (Edited 647d ago )

You know you can get game pass ultimate codes for the low on cdkeys or g2a right? You don't need to have a subscription 😂. GS is trash and I'd rather support the mom and pop game store here instead.

BlackTar187648d ago

Why are you people so full of hate? GameStop gives people jobs and provides a physical appearance to see things in the flesh and not just some soulless online experience.

Mandingo2020647d ago

You can get physical at mom and pop game stores plus you can get it online. GS is trash

neutralgamer1992647d ago

Because Mom and Pop shops cost two to three times more for the same product Angie the answer

BlackTar187647d ago (Edited 647d ago )

Mom and pop stores cost more and have even harder time competing against the internet. Also lie to me and tell you have a couple mom and pop stores near you selling games then lie and tell me you shop there.

IanTH648d ago

These sales, while potentially great, really struggle to be valuable given you can't easily parse what games are in stock. You can't just say "only show what is online & what are in my nearby stores". Probably 60-75% of these games in these massive lists are out of stock for shipping, and out of stock locally. It makes it a chore to find anything you'd want, much less 4 of them, much less enough if you wanted to get to a free shipping tier. It's a bummer.

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10 Best Halo Games

NoobFeed Editor Joshua Burt writes - There are many games in the famous Halo Franchise that are stellar titles and need to be revered. And some that do not. These games stand out from the crowd and deluge of colossal Halo titles. Games that made Halo great. We do need to iron out what qualifies the game for this list. They have to be in the Halo franchise… Obviously.

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-Foxtrot718d ago

Halo CE over Halo Infinite anyday

Not to mention the impact it had at the time

Flawlessmic718d ago

Halo 3 at the top is correct the only thing id change is swap infinite and halo ce around.

AuraAbjure718d ago

Halo 4 best campaign and multiplayer. Halo 3 best story.

ChubbyBlade717d ago

Are you trying to give people cancer?

AuraAbjure716d ago (Edited 716d ago )

Halo 4 has the hottest Cortana too which explains why the MC is the hardest in that campaign and why H4's multiplayer is the illest. Chief ain't afraid to take on teleporting enemies that can one hit melee kill.

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