It's fair to say that Microsoft's E3 2013 conference did not go as well as the company had hoped, thanks to its focus on far more than gaming.
Microsoft Chief Executive Officer Satya Nadella shared a bullish report on the performance of the Xbox gaming business also on PlayStation.
I'm kind of hoping they drop most hardware support here with a 'good enough console' next generation and focus more on being a publisher. Obviously that is doing well for them and they can still push cloud gaming since it's going to tons of smart TVS and devices. They're now the largest video game publisher in the world, if they aren't doing the most sales and pre-orders, then they would be in trouble. They aren't.
They're gonna try again with a new gen console. If they want to compete they need to actually be competive. Say games like Halo, Blade Elder Scrolls or whatever big game it is. Needs to only be on Xbox and PC. If those games go multiplat it needs to be after a few years or at least a year later definitely not 6 months as a good portion of ppl will wait. Knowing MS they'll probably try and compete, then when things don't go there way they pivot and change the metrics again.
I don't think you're reading the tea leaves here. Leadership hasn't used the word "exclusive" in quite a while, and they're now boasting about PS sales. They're probably done with consoles and exclusive at this point.
I don't think they'll try. They have been beating a dead horse for so long now and they have finally realized it isn't going nowhere.
MS is going to drop being hardware exclusive, they are going publisher and subscription. You will be able to buy a Xbox, but you will be able to play on any platform, that's their new goal. After the hit with Oblivion remastered and major sales on PS5, no more Xbox/PC exclusives long term..
I think with the latest price hike on their console, they’re well on their way to axing hardware.
Hardware axing entirely is bad news. They've sold most of their hardware on the Series S this generation. I think if they capture a lower hardware market that can still buy games (especially on sale), they'll actually hit a good market considering how the economy is going. Especially in the U.S. People are going to want to keep gaming and streaming isn't that good for online gaming at all.
@crazy they've stated multiple times they're going another gen. The next gen Controller even got leaked.
Tired of repeating myself whenever it comes to this subject of Xbox having another gen.
Xbox consoles are done, all we gonna get is some branded 3rd party shite at best, ms aint interested in being a console manufacturer no more, this much is obvious.
Microsoft has too much money for that. They are rumored to release a PC/console hybrid in 2026. They will push all you hope as a publisher while having new hardware next year, so the games will appear on their platform and every other platform which is good to me if the goal is to sell software. If that is where the money is why would anyone fault MS for that? The prices are going to be insane for the next PlayStation and console from Microsoft, though, but it is what they voted for, so this is what we got.
I think they have to at this point I'm sure they are developing new hardware because they still have to team on payroll but it's absolutely a hail mary play.
They want to try and shift the console to be more like a PC so development costs are drastically reduced you don't need your trams to develop a Xbox version if the PC version will already run jon your console ust have it preconfigured with the graphical settings to make it seem less PC like and job done using uwp apps.
I can see it working for a few years but eventually there will be problems like with the series s as pc hardware typically ages out faster than console hardware I guess the jury's out on how it goes when your console is forced architecture will it still be a development target 5 years later will it slow PC hardware growth if games have to account for such weak hardware 7 years on
“We continue to transform the business and focus on margin expansion as we bring our games to over 500 million monthly active users across devices. We ended the quarter as the top publisher by pre-orders and pre-installs on both Xbox and PlayStation Store.”
Amazing news!
Xbox reigning within rival territory.
Big slap in the face of haters who used to crap on Xbox´s games and its quality.
One minute he says that they will NEVER go third party
Now he's all for it like this was Microsofts grand master plan all along.
@-Foxtrot
"One minute he says that they will NEVER go third party"
Fact.
"Now he's all for it like this was Microsofts grand master plan all along."
False.
Never said it was Microsoft´s master plan all along. But it is REALLY working for us, as the fact that you´ll be able to enjoy Xbox gamers isn´t killing us. Rather the contrary, we are happy that everybody is funding our games on Gamepass.
Specially now with the imminent new $80 price tag for Xbox first party games.
It is what it is.
So xbox division can't afford to fund new xbox games on GP subscribers alone?
ooooh your in trouble imma tell papa phil and he's gonna take away your xbox card
He loves it. Now he gets to support the trillion dollar company even more by giving them more of his money.
I agree.. great news for Microsoft and tbe xbox brand. Your Playstation is now a xbox. Microsoft wasn't kidding around when they said xbox will be everywhere. Now they are laughing all the way to the bank. Imo sony needs to do similar things. They're putting their biggest titles on PC. Might as well bring them over to other consoles too. They aren't making much on console sales.
Of course MS wants PlayStation owners, their is literally twice as many of them.
Theres been one game in the last few years that's been good. Indy. Long way to go before you start talking about their games and their quality
Xbox gamers really are the strangest demographic. Not so long ago you are all saying PlayStation isn't the competition Amazon is because Phil said so. You love to parrot what your corporate talking say. That wasn't actually true Xbox and PlayStation were in direct competition but because Xbox was losing so badly Phil had to act like they weren't.
Cut to present day and Xbox and PlayStation aren't competition because Xbox has no hardware presence it's zero. In fact Microsoft is now a third party publisher and they need PlayStation they don't need Xbox or Xbox gamers they need PlayStation gamers and PC gamers and mobile phone gamers and switch gamers.
You're here cheering for the fact you've become irrelevant because you think it's important that your uncle Phil is making money. You think PlayStation gamers are upset if Microsoft releases more good games in a year than sony does. when Microsoft makes a good game you shout take that playstation!
PlayStation gamers simply say thank you I will third party publisher that makes me games
I think you're confused. Microsoft never saw Sony as their biggest competitor. They've reiterated it for years. Sony is doing the same thing by putting their biggest franchises on PC, which is OK with Microsoft. Their will be more playstaion games coming to Microsoft ecosystems. Maybe not to xbox consoles but playstation won't be the only place you can play their games. Kind of how it is now. I would bet that they are making plans to do just that but they probably fear the backlash from their fanbase which is silly because noone is gonna stop playing games just because it's on on another platform.
"Cut to present day and Xbox and PlayStation aren't competition because Xbox has no hardware presence it's zero."
If that was remotely true you wouldn´t be so mad about Xbox gamers getting day one games on Gamepass that you have to pay full price for.
"PlayStation gamers simply say thank you I will third party publisher that makes me games"
And we´re thankful for Playstation gamers supporting Xbox games funding our day one games on Gamepass.
Like I said: Everybody wins.
We brought two of the biggest publishers in the world, cost thousands of people their livelihoods and consolidated a huge part of the industry, look how successful we are at gaming!
Top Secret Strategy for How to Become the Biggest Publisher in the World:
1. Buy everybody
And this has been standard business practice in every industry. Don't hate the player hate the game! lol
I have no doubt that the vast majority of developers and studios will be looking at Microsoft as far job security is a concern.
Microsoft will allow its studios to release their games to every single platform, which means more investment on new games, more money, more jobs positions, better payment, benefits and recognition among gamers worldwide.
You though MS would crash and burn
You want MS to leave gaming forever but GAMERS clearly wants otherwise.
You said MS doesn´t know how to make great games but Xbox games dominating sales on Playstation clearly says otherwise.
Now you also have Playstation gamers to blame for helping the rich to get richer.
I warned you. You were on a fool´s errand all the time.
Now all you can do is watch as MS and Xbox gaming grows bigger and better than ever and release games for everyone!
At the end of this road, Bethesda, Activision, etc, will still be releasing games for everyone and Xbox consoles will be no more.
If that's what you claim to have foreseen, then congratulations, you win.
You think three major publishers no longer competing and thousands fired to feed the piggies at MS is a good thing, I don't.
More and more owned by fewer and fewer is what you're cheering for, all that leads to is $80 first party games kid.
In a new interview, the Microsoft CEO talked about how a huge catalogue of Xbox games will soon implement Muse and was blown away by the AI model.
Gaming is one area where AI can give people jobs instead of taking it away.
Let’s level up games with actual contextual and intelligent enemies
Full explorable city interiors
Unlimited dialog with npcs
Xbox is terrible, but I can’t wait to see what AI brings to gaming.
That's fair. *If* used correctly, as a tool, it can aid in development. That would give devs more time to focus on the important stuff. But we have yet to see any major devs use AI correctly.
@porkChop
Can’t agree more with your statement. The trend always starts out small (like micro transactions) then the money flows and it takes over. I just hope it stays in the realm of helping developers, not take over their jobs.
@Keeper
I agree with you on how AI can benefit gaming by adding consistent content or enhancing the formula of random objectives in games especially open-world and live service games (gone are the days of the repeated side mission over and over and over).
However, the problem is you’re trusting shareholders who care primarily about brand and maximizing profits, and CE level employees who primarily care about their own income and maximizing profits for shareholders by either growth or reducing expenses.
There’s a rightful big concern for AI, primarily around maintaining employee to AI balance. Shareholders and CE officers have less of a need for employees IF a single computer/kiosk and a single automated robot can do the job without the need for an annual salary, medial benefits, 401k, etc…, and as AI and robotics grow that single computer/kiosk and automated robot ends up taking the job of 10s - 100s of people. Automakers, Restaurants (make sushi places already have little robots bringing food / drink / and self orders kiosk), Fast Food, Manufacturing Warehouses, Coding, and more are all fields that can and will have mass layoffs once AI is established enough to take over those roles.
It’s hard to become a multi-millionaire or a billion/trillion dollar company and not do everything you can to maintain or grow it.
Business 1
100 coders * $100,000 salaries = $10 million per year + benefits + 401k + etc…
Business 2
(10 AI coders * $150,000) + (100 AI PCs & Robotics * $10,000 each) = $1.5 million per year + benefits + 401K etc,… + A one time charge of $1million in robotics + $100,000 per year in maintenance = $2.1 million to get the same or similar output.
If Activision was independent they’d be the first company to jump on something like this with all their games except maybe Call of Duty until they can prove it works (outside of in-game content being controlled by AI). But over time even ethical companies like Insomniac Games have to look at this and say that’s $8 million per year in savings (including additional savings on benefits and 401k) and not only that since they’re computers they can code 24/7 and get 2 - 3 years worth of work it would take those 100 coders to do in just 3 - 6 months.
That’s where the fear of AI comes into play for people.
In the specific application actually discussed in the article, might have a use. Past that though, still highly suspicious.
Looks like you struck a nerve with Reaper22_. Been on a trolling roll all day when it comes to PlayStation.
@Reaper22_ yeah that's usually what happens when Phil logs on to PSN 🤭
They had Peter Moore who was undoubtedly the best executive Xbox had ever had but the rrod caused him to forced out simply because someone had to pay. In retrospect I wonder if they regret that call I legitimately think Xbox could have been great if they stuck with him.
He's the only exec that has lead the Xbox console in a positive direction every other executive caused an inevitable downward trend
I agree, and Peter was passionate about the Xbox gaming division. Don Mattrick was too corporate and had the One box idea with less than impressive hardware. Phil had passion for the Xbox division, but became too corporate after the launch of XB1x. I knew it was downhill when Phil introduced Gamepass trying to adopt the Netflix strategy to Xbox. Snatch up a bunch of studios, lie to the fanbase about 1st party software. All to become third party publisher with dreams of getting Gamepass on Playstation.
@Jingsing
This Muse AI probably have something similar to Prime Directives of Robocop:
1. Somehow preserve older games
2. Blow away Microsoft CEO
3. "Optimize" development staff
4. *CLASSIFIED* Any attempt to replace a senior officer of Xbox or Microsoft results in shutdown
I am curious to see how this will be implemented. If used right as an aid to developers rather than replacing them and producing inferior content, we could see the development time between games shorten with less bugs.
Let us see if they take the sensible approach.
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella and CFO Amy Hood provided more color about the performance of the company’s gaming business.
Do you always have to glaze so hard, dude? There's enthusiasm for a brand and then there's... this.
Yall noticed he wasn’t in the article stating MS gaming revenue and hardware revenue was down lol
He turns blind to does news, never exist lol
Obscure_Observer You get an upvote from me. I’m beginning to respect your exquisite level of trolling. 🫡
Maybe he gets off on it?
tires to have sexy fun time with lady but can't get it up, Viagra don't work so he hop on hear to get degrade and downvoted
Wait so 4 million PLAYERS when everyone with Gamepass can play it is good, but you and your like claim a Sony game SELLING 10 million is a failure?
SMFH
Something something single percent of PS5 owners bought astro bot, wow what a flop.
4 million Indiana Jones *players* with access on GP on Xbox consoles and hundreds of millions of gaming PCs out there, omg what a massive success, congrats MS.
Calm yourself, man.
Understand that "failure" is in the eye of the beholder.
Every company has their own particular expectations and metrics for games to achieve success based on development cost and marketing expenses vs ROI.
So don't ask me why a company would lay off people and cut budgets for a studio that has reached the milestone of over 10 million sales. Only the said company can provide you answers for that.
Obscure_Observer today:
"Understand that 'failure' is in the eye of the beholder.
"Every company has their own particular expectations and metrics for games to achieve success based on development cost and marketing expenses vs ROI."
Obscure_Observer 1912 days ago arguing that attach rate defines success:
"@MasterCornholio
"100 million console sold is not the definitive metric for success anymore. You need ACTIVE PS4 owners! That´s why MAUs is more important for companies nowdays. If a multiplat game like FIFA sells 10 million copies on PS4 (100+ owners) and only 2 million copies on Xbox (45 million? users), then yes, Xbox is a failure. If the said game sold 10 million on PS4 and 5 million on Xbox, the Xbox console is clearly successful! This is called attach rate!"
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Well I bet Microsoft will be happier with 4 miillion Sales when it releases on PlayStation as opposed to 4 million players.
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I didn't think of it like that, but yeah, out of 34 million GP subscribers (let's be generous and assume it hasn't gone up), and can play the game, 'for free', only 12% (being generous and rounding up) have done so!
What were the other 30 million doing?
@Bathyj
"Well I bet Microsoft will be happier with 4 miillion Sales when it releases on PlayStation as opposed to 4 million players."
Pretty sure Microsoft will be happy with both Gamepass players and PS5 sales for Indie. No sure how well those companies monetize over "players" vs "sales" tbh, but:
Koei Tecmo was celebrating over 5 million *players* for Wo Long: Fallen Dynasty in its latest Q3 financial results, while PS5 exclusive Rise of the Ronin was nowhere to be found..
https://www.koeitecmo.co.jp...
So I guess KT were happy with Wo Long´s performance on Game Pass but not so happy with Rise of the Ronin sales on PS5.
So I guess both Ninja Gaiden games day one on Game Pass this year, comes with no surprise.
This is why I never go by install base. You can spin everything to look like a failure. Even the biggest hits only sell to a fraction.
Is there really not a way to mute you? Your instance on posting everything Xbox related was funny at first and now it's genuinely ticking me off. The bootlicking on display has become super pathetic. You really need to grow out of this nonsense. It's embarrassing
Look at the number 1 post on this site to see how well they're actually doing. Do you ever criticise them like ever? But no you're all over that post with alt accounts.
Xbox demise has to be covered with great pr news. Its like MS paints a turd gold and tells us it smells great. Come one come all, take a whiff of this!
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Since Xbox hardware is dead and Gamepass doesn't progress anymore, the Third Party transition is the best way to go.
while revenue only grew 2%.
you knowz i always thought that Phil is the delusional one, but apparently it goes up the ladder too.
being proud of your products is different than lying to yourself about it ha
Revenue grew only 2 percent because it's leveling out from the huge jumps it saw last year after acquiring Activision. Microsoft is now the number one game publisher in the world, with gamers spending $465 million dollars on Microsoft titles just last month (beating every publisher by over $100 million).
I'm getting tired making fun of anything.
But ... I mean, I don't really know what to say anymore.
How can these earnings reports & calls be allowed to aaalways be so shallow in data when it comes to Xbox?
It's become somewhat of a running gag.
• Again no operating profit/loss numbers
• Noone knows what "+30% PC GP" means
• Noone knows what "quarter record GP revenue" is
• Noone knows the actual GP subscriptions
• Noone knows X|S shipment/sellthrough
But yeah, sure, Microsoft was the No. 1 games publisher in December. Just like ABK was before.
Who would have thought. And that's almost everything we know.
+30% pc gp mean the PC version of gamepass is up 30%. To me this is common sense and knowledge. Figure the rest out on ya own. I'm no special ed teacher lol
@PhillyDonJawn
30% Up from? Did 30% of Xbox console users cancel Xbox GP for PC GP?
Doesn't this guy know hes doing more harm than good with these Statement lately.
don't talk just show please, E3 was a good start. Talking seems to get MS/xbox brand in more trouble even when they are trying to help
the problem is its a little to late hardware is weak and rubbish so even thou they want it to be known as a gaming maching many believe the hardware was built around for tv and not for gaming
I don't care what Nadella says, I still have not forgiven Microsoft for the S##T they did last year. I always liked the PS3 and the Xbox 360 because I trusted both Sony and Microsoft (even after Sony's PSN incident). Then at the beginning of 2013, when Microsoft started to show how full of S##T they were going to be towards their customers, I lost all trust and respect for them.
Phil Spencer is going to have a hard time fixing the absolute muck up Don made of Xbox.
I think he wont let Xbox to be sold to other companies like what other people been speculating.. It seems that he is really committed to support Xbox all the way..