USA Weekly, 5th July 2014

XOne 39,025 (-3%)
PS4 38,044 (-7%)
3DS 33,105 (-2%)
WiiU 26,217 (+11%)
X360 14,780 (-5%)

Mario Kart 8 (WiiU) 44,862
Sniper Elite 3 (PS4) 30,504
Minecraft (X360) 28,630
Minecraft (PS3) 27,292

[Ezz2013]

i always trust Lolchartz with those real,always right numbers than both Sony/MS WorldWide and NPD Official Numbers

[NewMonday]

last month VGC were off by a full 100% from NPD numbers.

[Ezz2013]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-l...

[Ausbo]

Hey could you post links for vgchartz and npd?

[morganfell]

Look at the online sales for the top retailers:

Gamestop: The X1 is not even in the top 100 and is being outsold by 2 different PS4 systems, 2 different Vita bundles, and 3 different WiiU setups. As well as countless console refurb bundles, none of which are X1s.

The top X1 at Gamestop is sitting at position 107 and is actually the X1 Forza bundle - a Kinect version. This is the first month an X1 has not been in the top 100 the entire month to date. The Kinectless SKU is at 137. A drop of over 100 places from last month.

Best Buy: X1 was constantly in 3rd last month and this month has been at 5th or below with the PS4 still in 1st.

Amazon: PS4 has been averaging 12th for the month but currently is in 10th. The White PS4 is in 48th for the month but 37 this hour. The Kinectless X1 is in 65th for the month and 55 and dropping away as of this writing. This is the worst the X1 has ever performed at Amazon.

vgchartz is nothing but lie after lie after lie and N4G is betraying it's visitors and those that submit legitimate stories by allowing a site that has never been right, not even close, in continuing to produce FUD.

[bleedsoe9mm]

what were the NPD numbers last month ?

[bicfitness]

And assuredly, they'll be off for June and July. They're always off, use no measurable scientific methods, and clearly skew the numbers in favor of certain brands. Its a completely unreliable and useless site, considering there are much better resources from which to draw.

Edit: @ bleeds, VGCs LITERALLY over-tracked the X1 by 100%, or more. There's a margin of error, and then we enter the realm of pure fabrication. VGCs lives in the latter category.

[amiga-man]

And yet again the PS4 has a bigger minus score than the xone, I can honestly say I have never seen the PS4 with the higher trend

Strange when it has been outselling it's rival by a large margin.

[Death]

@Morgan,

Why do you feel online retailers are representative of actual sales? Amazon sales are very specific in the fact they only indicate Amazon's sales trends. If we all shopped on Amazon exclusively, citing their sales trends may be relevant. The only thing Amazon trends represent is Amazon's sales. NPD is a much better source for overall sales trends, but it is still an educated guess since the worlds largest retailer does not share their sales data. The only reliable source we have are from the manufacturers and those numbers are shipped numbers no matter how much denial you drink in the morning with your Cheerios.

[morganfell]

Because I have used online retailers and almost nailed exactly the last 6 months whereas vgchartz...what a pack of lies. Have you ever seen them in the ballpark without adjusting the numbers AFTER they see the real figures. No, not even close yet you choose to believe them anyway? Now who is drinking denial.

Online sales are fairly indicative of the overall picture and they are a part of the overall numbers. I have been nailing it. Go look it up. I have a post history but do not have the time to do it for you.

Next Thursday you may want to avoid N4G altogether.

I have this thread marked and when the July NPD comes out in August I will be looking for your remarks there as well. But you probably shouldn't comment. You are setting yourself up for a huge serving of humble pie, do you realize that?

[Jrmy84]

So many disagrees when stating a fact.

[Prime157]

If only I had the time to create a spreadsheet to compare each week with npd...

[SpinalRemains138]

Ezzz,

Hahaha when I saw that Chihuahua, all I could hear was a Nazi voice at Nuremberg.

LIES.....ALL LIES!!!

LOL!

[KillerByte23]

When does the June NPD get released

[brew]

Next week - Thursday

[Jury]

Thank you Virtual Guess Charts for your random guesswork. What a great idea for a website!

/s

[HaveAll3]

Popcorn time!!!

[greenlantern2814]

Just down vote/ disagree and move on

[shinrock]

I know i might get ripped for asking this,but is any hard proof that vgc are intentionally overtracking xbox, and undertracking sony #'s? I keep seeing this posted every time i come on this site.

[marloc_x]

I know right? *Good job N*

[wynams]

Well it is widely reported (google it) that Microsoft uses UNITS SHIPPED where Sony uses UNITS SOLD

[Wikkid666]

NPD data is units sold.

[n4rc]

And it should be widely known that sold to customer numbers are estimates based on reorders by retailers.

The only number any of them reliably know is what they sold to those retailers.. You think every chain and store on the planet is reporting back to every supplier they deal with? No.

[johndoe11211]

@narc

You do know that based on your logic, if sony were to start using sold to retailers numbers that they would have an even bigger lead on the xbox one and it would literally make the xbox's presence in the market seem irrelevant right?

[Pogmathoin]

Johndoe, based on your logic, any crap can be twisted to suit your agenda......

[johndoe11211]

Ok pogmathoin, seeing as logic eludes you, let me put this another way. We both know that there are tons of xbones on store shelves. And based on what you xbox guys say, there are tons of ps4's on store shelves. Now, if Microsoft uses shipped numbers and they are at 5mil sold to retailers then that 5mil also includes the ones we are seeing on store shelves correct? Sony uses sold to customer numbers and they are at almost 9mil which does not include the ones on store shelves. If we were to add the tons that are on store shelves now, how much do you think the sold to retailers would be?

Edit:

And contrary to the crap that narc said they do have a very good idea as to how many have been sold to customers. Are you guys so clueless as to not know that every ps4 activated online is registered on the ps network? In fact using sonys method they probably sold more to customers because their network would not pick up the ones that are used by people without Internet.

[n4rc]

So what? People don't need to be online.. What about demo units or returned units?

You even said as much...

So... Please inform all of us how anything I said is incorrect.. I've worked in supply chain management for years.. Suppliers don't care how many you've resold, and retailers aren't very willing to disclose their sales info, especially on a monthly basis..

Sold to customer numbers are estimates.. Sold to retailers are definitive.

[SuperBlunt]

Not proof but when the official numbers come out this website seems to undertrack the ps and overtrack the xb. I think april was pretty bad

[True_Samurai]

Nawl basically if Ps4 beats Xbox in a week it's true

If Xbox beats PS4 it's a lie VG is unreliable etc.

They're too bias to accept a loss

[Funantic1]

So true.

[Infamous298]

Even in VGcharts articles putting PS4 on top, we playstation fans still discredit VGcharts sales numbers, you can check the articles if you dont believe me.

Man, xbox fanboys are always trying to prove that playstation fans are hypocrites, xbox fanboys love to play the victim role haha.

[MysticStrummer]

Naw! You see more PS fans downplaying vgchartz even when PS wins than XB fans doing the same.

But by all means keep spreading that myth and playing the victim!

[bicfitness]

Except that there has NOT been ANY week where the X1 has IN REALITY beaten the PS4 in the NPD, except for maybe January. Even in that month, the PS4 was severely supply constrained and the total difference was like 10K units or something.

So any other week, in any other month, on VGCs, where the X1 is miraculously selling more in the US, has been utter and complete fantasy.

[morganfell]

True_Samurai,

Do you really believe the X1 outsold the PS4 this past week in the US. Do not dance around the subject, be straight forward. Yes or no.

[Brim]

idk how people are disagreeing because it's so true when its in favor of PS4 they talk about how xbox lost and they told you so ... when its xbox it's "oh no not VGC making numbers up again" you cannot have it both ways you have to either believe the numbers or don't ... simple as that

[MRMagoo123]

oh right so when the ps4 is ahead the sony fans agree with vg huh ?

http://n4g.com/news/1541560...

http://n4g.com/news/1541560...

http://n4g.com/news/1541560...

http://n4g.com/news/1541560...

http://n4g.com/news/1541560...

thats just one article where the PS4 is ahead and owners of the PS4 have said the charts are crap, that took me about 5 mins and there are waaaaaaaaaaaay more going on in the same thread, maybe instead of pretending the sony fans like vg when they are ahead just down vote the site like we sony fans do every week?

[Bzone24]

@MRMagoo123

Not a lot of VGCharts negativity in the current charts. Must be why you went back to the previous charts instead of posting links to the current topic.

http://n4g.com/news/1547497...

[MRMagoo123]

@bzone

Wtf does that even mean?? Go back to any VG chartz and the PS4 is ahead every time and you will still see ps4 fans saying VG chartz is crap, thats the whole point, it doesnt matter if the ps4 is ahead or the xbone is ahead, there are sony fans saying the charts are rubbish and not worth even putting up. You showing the most recent doesnt change that fact and all it does it make you look silly, my reply was to True_troll who said sony fans love the charts till they say xbone is ahead, which I just proved to be entirely false.

I must say try reading once in a while instead of jumping on the xbone defense wagon, you could have saved that bubble for something that actually makes sense.

The worse thing is your proof is one article from today, I can back all the way back to the first VG chartz with PS4 and Xbone sales on and everyone proves what I say to be true.

[Bzone24]

It means that the current global chart didn't have the ammo you needed to make your point so you went back to the previous chart to make it. Which proves your ANY argument wrong.

[Ezz2013]

simple really
look for NPD/world wide offical numbers for each month/year from both sony/MS and compare them with Lolchartz numbers and see for your self

[akaFullMetal]

You might see it this month:

June 7th PS4 42,462 xone 22,486
June 14th PS4 39,008 Xone 38,210
June 21st PS4 37,958 Xone 43,426
June 28th Ps4 40,801 Xone 40,104

Totals: Ps4 160,229 Xone 144,226

This is US only with VGchartz #'s, so when NPD comes out you will see. For the last few months, it was showing that the Xone was outselling ps4, but when npd came out, it was the other way around. So alot of people see this over and over, and just see that vgchartz is an estimate that usually over tracks xbox and undertracks playstation.

[johndoe11211]

The proof is if you have been following vgchartz for the past couple years you would see that practically every single month they adjust their figures, which 99% of the times has ms overtracked and sony undertracked, to line up with the NPD results. This is not a secret, this has been going on for years. If you want proof then you can just start taking notes yourself for the next four months.

[SoapShoes]

Uhhhh pretty good proof is in their March numbers. They had Xbone ahead of PS4 every single week that month but NPD showed otherwise and PS4 was #1.

[MysticStrummer]

"any hard proof that vgc are intentionally overtracking xbox, and undertracking sony #'s?"

Just a very noticeable trend.

[FITgamer]

NPD comparisons are available on VGC forums if you care to look. They are pretty consistent about over tracking Xbox numbers. Also for those that have been following the site for at least 2 years would notice they had the PS3 at 81 million for over a year, the PS3 has consistently out sold the 360 WW, and now some how they are almost tied just under 83 million. Makes absolutely no sense.

[Jury]

All that matters is nobody has a clue of USA sales except npd. This website just makes them up. You could easily just make your own site and do the same thing and carry just as much weight.

[SpinalRemains138]

The proof is on the site itself.

He's been doing it for years now.

Just keep track of the numbers, then go back after NPD comes out and watch the shift.

The story is always the same. A MS decrease and a PS increase.

His pre NPD numbers always favor MS. Always.

Death, taxes, VG chart under tracks Playstations.

[OtakuDJK1NG-Rory]

Why isn't there a company like Media Create in the US.

Give us some accurate and 100% numbers.

NPD doesn't cut it or those crappy VGchartz

[SilentNegotiator]

That would certainly be ideal.

[Moonman]

Even though it's vgchartz, happy Wii U went up and still selling well in the USA. Mario Kart 8 doing well worldwide. :)

[eyeofcore]

Mario Kart just keeps rollin and truckin... Amazing legs...

[aaronjohnson05]

It's the happy meal commercial the reason why the sales went up. It's obvious that mario 8 is back on top in sells and hardware sells went up. Nintendo finally advertising there games.

[darkstar18]

nothing is stopping that MK8 magic lol

[corroios]

I dont understand where are the thousands and thousands that didnt bought the console last months because of the price drop???

If they just get this numbers with a drop in price of 100 they are in big trouble...

I thought that they would double this number...

[AceofStaves]

Minecraft is becoming the definition of an 'evergreen' title. Its legs are ridiculous.

[wonderfulmonkeyman]

If those numbers are close to accurate, then the wii u is doing decently now, which is a relief.

[Stoppokingme]

Who gives a shit?

If PS4 sells well than it's "well deserved" but if the XB1 sells well then it's "BS" and if the Wii-U sells well "it still won't save the Wii-U".

Leave the BS sales figures at the door, The games will determine the winner.

[MSBAUSTX]

I love how the Sony fanboys and the MS fanboys argue back and forth about how VG charts rips one and favors the other or which one's fanboys gripe the most about the numbers etc etc etc...but the Nintendo fans sit back and enjoy that the Wii U is just cruising right along and isnt getting the bad press that the XB1 is getting now anymore. We Nintendo fans really do not care about what the charts say because we are to busy playing kickass games with our friends to worry about VGC and who is winning the console war. You could learn from our content and honest attitudes really. :-) But you guys continue, we love a good public forum fight.

[TongkatAli]

They all have good games not just Nintendo you zealot : )

[MSBAUSTX]

Then wouldn't it be more productive to argue the software titles weekly sales numbers instead of the consoles? Oh wait, MK8 is at the top of that list. So I am assuming most people won't want to do that LOL. :-) :-P

[OldDude]

Sorry but My PS4 and X1 pale in comparison to the WiiU library. Granted it had a year head start, but still. If you honestly believe that the quality of the games is better on PS4 over WiiU (not if you like the games, just their quality) then you are delusional.

[OC_MurphysLaw]

It's VGChartz... so believe it if you want...or don't. I give it a look more for software pre-order stuff more than anything but even that is a grain of salt. Ultimately I only go by the companies official numbers they put forward in their own financials. Outside of that everything else including NPD's is a bit of speculation mixed with some facts. I say that about NPD's because they only are getting "some" of the major retailers data and not all of them and include none of the smaller stores / chains.

[ZerobyZero]

I learn one thing on this site at that is to never trust the VGCchart.

[Jrmy84]

Spot on there('! ' )

[MeliMel]

Stupidass numbers. Swear some of y'all act like you on wall st and sh!t. Then you got that one dude Morganfell who actually follows sales numbers like a religion. I mean how many times do you guys have to tells us the PS4 is outselling the Xbox.

Lol..smh. Dude had Gamestop top 100, Kmart top 100, Costco you name it dude had the numbers.

[Spotie]

Some people are interested in different things. Some people like to know what the hell they're talking about.

Just because you're fine with looking like a fool doesn't mean others are, so they actually do the math. It debunks the BS that some try to spread, since you can't say one thing when the proof for all to see is the opposite thing.

Well, you can SAY it, but everybody sees it for the nonsense that it is.

Here's an idea: AVOID THESE ARTICLES IF YOU DON'T LIKE THEM. I'm sure it's more to do with what companies are doing what- rather than it being about the discussion of numbers, themselves- as to why you're unhappy. But you'll be happier if you accept reality or just avoid the articles altogether.

[MeliMel]

Look dude, say what you will. Im no damn fool for one. And if I look like one to some its ok. Im not hurt by it, lol.

What I dont like is the negativity towards another console just because its being outsold. Like the numbers dont already tell us that. I dont need for every numbers article to become Royal Rumble of how PS4 is superior (btw, which I own and just purchased The Show, which came without a damn manual, not that I needed it but thats cheap) ok where was I?

Yeah, so the Xbox sucks blah blah, look at how far down the list it is at this retailer and that retailer...I mean damn give it break. WE GeT IT!

And your right not everyone is the same. I game on PS4 and XB1 so all the fanboy shit doesnt matter to me.

BTW, Both consoles are doing well and im happy for that. Ill let you guys argue it out. From now on im just gonna sit back and watch you fanboys spew your garbage propaganda, lol...
And make my comment more relevant to the topic.

Hey thanks for putting me in my place I needed that.

[DoggyBiscuit]

Say what the X1 outsold the PS4 ima be honest I am surprise congrats M$

[Father__Merrin]

why does vgchartz always bump up xbox numbers only to be thwarted by npd?

I mean it's a MONTH IN MONTH OUT thing!

[OldDude]

Because the entire world has a conspiracy against Sony /s... wow.

[SpinalRemains138]

The world?

Nope. The world loves PS.

Just VG chart cooks the books for MS. Been doing it for years.

No conspiracy. Just one liar and a website.

[CaptainObvious878]

That's what confuses me a little as well. The cat is well and truly out of the bag. Everyone, including ms fanboys, knows vgcharts makes the xbox numbers look better then they really are.

It's not like anyone believes them at all. And even if they did, they just get proven wrong in a months time.

I really have no idea why vgcharts continue to fudge the numbers. It's the definition of a waste of time.

[sebzhd]

next week after upgrade PS4 will be again above one as every week. look at weeks before.
Every month NPD kill pro M$ dreams or utopy

[Anon1974]

Another VGChartz round of inaccurate guesstimates, another chance to down-vote this scourge of a site.

[Tedakin]

One of my favorite fanboy tropes... Saying VGC isn't accurate when it gives info you don't want to hear, then pulling a 180 and gloating when it does.

[CaptainObvious878]

One of my favorite fanboy tropes... Saying people turn around and praise vgcharts as soon as the numbers as in their favor, when in actual fact they keep bashing on vhcharts (and rightfully so) REGARDLESS of the the numbers.

[TBONEJF]

hate VGCHARTZ they are never accurate. I only listen to the companies only and hear how many units they sold. not every one can't keep up with sales.

[SpinalRemains138]

I can make up numbers too.

PS4 - 200 gajillion. (+500%)

Xbox One - 12 (-700%)

[mochachino]

VGchartz should stop trying to guess weekly numbers and just just keep a tally based on company quarterly reports.

They're not even close anymore.

[Hardcore_gamerxbox]

@johndoe11211 do work for Sony how do u know Sony not lying about it saying we sold blah blah console to consumers it's really hard to be able track consoles been sold to consumers not every retailers gonna have a time to report back to Sony how many console they sold if they would don't u think they would announce it by themselves ? Sony been good at lying so I don't buy a word coming from Sony for a penny either

[cruzngta]

Sony is killin it with overall sales. Almost doubling XB1 consoles sold. I dont know if MS can turn this around. I know they are selling well for what they have but this momentum Sony has built this gen is unbelievable and may get even bigger. Phil Spencer and MS have their work cut out for them. I wonder if Sunset OD and Horizon 2 and MCC will help a little or alot in terms of not just games sold but also consoles cuz MS needs anything it can get right now.