Seriously Nintendo, Where Was The Detail?

For all the excitement around the Nintendo Switch console, it seems that we're left lacking finer details about key services and the launch period.

[maybelovehate]

Very confusing. From what I have read it will have a Tegra x1 chip. The display is 720p. The controller is 70 dollars. Battery life will be between 2 to 3 hours. So 370 dollars if you want to use it like a console "that has mobile graphics".

Edit: Appears it does come with a dock. You would only need to pay the 90 dollars if you have a second tv you wanted to connect it to.

[FunAndGun]

Are you saying it doesn't come with the dock for $300?

[maybelovehate]

It does, I was wrong.

[Erik7357]

It's 50 dollars more expensive than a ps4/xbox one......are people really that stupid to think it will have a tegra x1?

I really want this rumour to die, from a business stand point and a technical standpoint it is just ridiculous.
First lets look at the timelines involved. Nvidia announced the Tegra X1 in March 2015 and released the shield tv in May 2015, Nvidia were probably manufacturing these chips a few months in advance so lets assume that manufacturing started in March 2015.
Now it makes sense that early dev kits would contain this chip, early reports on the dev kits also state the fan was very noisy, doesn't sound great for a mobile device does it? Nintendo would of most likely been looking to several companies, explaining their requirements, then it would of been up to the companies to win the contract. Nvidia would of already started research into the next iteration of tegra before the x1 was even announced, this is how business works, you have to keep moving to stay competitive.

Now with the timeline out of the way lets look at what is important when manufacturing a mobile device. There are three factors, Size, Power Consumption and Heat. Performance is important but performance is limited by the three factors described.
Lets have a look at how a 20nm Maxwell chip performs in comparison to a possible 16nm variant in these three categories.
Power consumption.
This one is easy, lets go to the website of the company actually handling the manufacturing for these figures.
http://www.tsmc.com/english...
"Comparing with 20SoC technology, 16FF+ provides extra 40% higher speed and 60% power saving."
So a pascal tegra would be 60% more power efficient in theory, why would Nintendo use a maxwell chip?
Moving on to heat, the article by venturebeat says that pascal runs too hot to be used in a mobile chip. So lets look at the thermal performance of Pascal.
http://www.anandtech.com/sh...
We can see here clearly that the gtx 1080 runs 2 degrees hotter but gives 80% more performance. A 2 degree increase over an 80 degree operating temperature is an increase of only 2.5%, for 80% extra performance. Therefore it is safe to assume pascal also runs cooler. Thats another tick in the box for pascal. Though this should of been assumed anyway looking a tthe power consumption piece above, as these two are linked.
Now the final piece of the puzzle is die size, when making a mobile chip this is very important as a manufacturer will try and squeeze as much as possible onto a tiny PCB. Again I will use the GTX 1080 vs 980 as a comparison.
http://www.pcworld.com/arti...
In the attached we can see the difference between the two cards, the 1080 takes up 314mm2 with 2560 CUDA cores, the 980 takes up 398mm2 with 2048 CUDA cores. I estimate the tegra chip in the Switch has 512 CUDA cores and clocks very low in portable mode so lets use this as a point of reference.
2560/512 = 5, 2048/512 = 4
So to compare a 512 CUDA core chip on each process we have.
16nm Pascal - 314mm / 5 = 62.8mm2
28nm Maxwell - 398mm/4 = 99.5mm2
Quite a difference huh? The problem is the maxwell tegra would be a 20nm chip so the die shrink would not be so drastic but we can also calculate the size of this chip by looking at the difference. 20nm - 16nm is a 4nm movement, 28 - 16 is 12nm movement. 4nm is 33% of 12nm so.
(99.5 - 62.8)/3 = 12.23mm2

[ABizzel1]

$300 for the bundle
$40 for 128GB microSD for download storage (games are getting bigger)
$60 for games

Puts you at $400 off top. If you want the pro controller that $70.

This has Vita written all over it for the West at least.

@Erik7357

If they wanted that rumor to die, they should have ended it today and reveal the spces for the Tegra processor it's using since they revealed just about everything else hardware wise.

[KimikoGaming]

Comes with the dock and controller. Battery life will be between 2.5-6.5 hours depending on the game and whether you are playing with max volume and online or not. They made that stuff clear during the presentation.

[FunAndGun]

So for $300 you get the tablet part, the dock, the joy controllers and a standard controller? Or do you have to buy the pro standard controller separate?

Thanks Vegamyster

[maybelovehate]

You are right it does come with the dock. I don't think it comes with the console controller though. Doesn't list it. As for the battery life, they are saying a game like Zelda will get 3 hours.

[Vegamyster]

FunAndGun

Pro controller is separate, it also includes a attachment for the joycon controllers that add bumpers so you have two controllers for games like Mario Kart.

[jaycptza]

2 and half hours is shit

[TenkoTAiLS]

The Nintendo Switch box specs will include the main console, Joy-Con (L) and Joy-Con (R) controllers, a Joy-Con grip (to which two Joy-Con are attached and used as one standard controller), a set of two Joy-Con wrist straps, a Nintendo Switch dock (which holds the main console and connects it to a TV), a HDMI cable and an AC adapter. Two versions of the console will be released: a version with a set of grey Joy-Con, and a version with one neon blue and one neon red Joy-Con.

Everything you need to play like a home console is in the box. Unless the full controller made from the two Joy-Con units connecting to the controller base isn't sufficient for you, then you will want that Pro-Controller yes.

[maybelovehate]

Kind of funny they call it a pro controller. It is just a normal controller.

[Lonnie18]

Battery life 2-3hours wow lol and no console controller epic fail

[EddieNX]

You get a joycon with the console, so you don't have to buy a spare.

[Erik7357]

Tegra x1 was based off old leak and old dev kit but whatever dude

It's 50 dollars more expensive than a ps4/xbox one......are people really that stupid to think it will have a tegra x1?

I really want this rumour to die, from a business stand point and a technical standpoint it is just rediculous.
First lets look at the timelines involved. Nvidia announced the Tegra X1 in March 2015 and released the shield tv in May 2015, Nvidia were probably manufacturing these chips a few months in advance so lets assume that manufacturing started in March 2015.
Now it makes sense that early dev kits would contain this chip, early reports on the dev kits also state the fan was very noisy, doesn't sound great for a mobile device does it? Nintendo would of most likely been looking to several companies, explaining their requirements, then it would of been up to the companies to win the contract. Nvidia would of already started research into the next iteration of tegra before the x1 was even announced, this is how business works, you have to keep moving to stay competitive.

[maybelovehate]

Do we know that Digital Foundry and Eurogamer are 100% right? No, but it seems that we know what the actual speeds will be. Even if they are using X2 it will be running more at an x1 level based on what has been examined

[Wallstreet37]

Fight that good fight but the presentation was rubbish and that price point is too much for the weak hardware they are offering and now paid online. 200 would gave been fair given we know Nintendo hides specs bcus they know ppl will be upset about the hardware.

Nintendo being Nintendo smfh. Keep on fighting soldier Reggie is pround of you lol

[rdgneoz3]

It should come with the dock in the bundle and 1 controller as well. If you wanted a 2nd dock or your first dock, then you'd be another (if your warranty is expired). Though like every other console, if you want to play 2 player couch co-op, you'll need a 2nd controller. The battery life though is pretty crappy.

[Gemmol]

specs digital foundry and other gave was specs of July Dev Kit, I am pretty sure you a troll because you love for that to be the spec......the dev kit they gave in October said that it was much stronger, and none of the smaller developers have it, so the specs were not leaked for October dev kit yet

[hirobrotagonist]

I absolutely does not have "mobile graphics"

[maybelovehate]

It is confirmed to use Tegra chip, mobile gpu. I mean it is a mobile device lol. Graphics look very dated. I feel sad for Zelda devs being held back

[Articuno76]

The slot-in controller comes in the box, you don't have to spend an extra $70 to use it as a console. They had a segment where they went over everything one by one (down to AC adapter and HDMI cable) and showed that.

By slot-in controller I mean this thing (not the Pro controller):
http://i.kinja-img.com/gawk...

But you aren't the only person who's been misinformed on this. I've come across this misunderstanding repeatedly today, so perhaps Nintendo's messaging in that area needs work.

[Blu3_Berry]

The presentation made me cringed at times especially in the beginning with those two games 1, 2 Switch! and Arms. Like nobody asked for those. It felt like the Wii all over again for a bit there

[eagle21]

It did, but Arms looks fun for family. I liked Zelda myself. lol

[Summons75]

1 2 switch is a fun party game and so is Arms. Only cringe part was EA getting up and being boring as usual.

[Lonnie18]

Nope nobody asked for gimmick games lol.

[EmperorDalek]

Yeah why the hell does EA think anyone cares about Fifa on the Switch?

[Wallstreet37]

No the presentation was cringe worthy and Nintendo being Nintendo. Switch is too much and of course Nintendo hiding specs bcus they don't want consumers to know they are buying weak hardware compared to competition.

[OzzY-waZZy]

@Summons75

Jesus man, when did you become this Nintendrone? I don't recall you being on that monkeyman level. Call it for what it is, 1-2 switch is a complete BS phone app with a $50 price tag... Arms could be fun if it has that Rocket League depth. Stop this damage control. I want it to flop, so it can be reasonably priced. Then maybe it would be easier to jump on board.

[Lonnie18]

They trying for a gimmick again, this is the Nintendo gimmick box!

[RosweeSon]

Get back in your box. Cardboard.

[Irishguy95]

Did you see the Wii sales figures? A gimmick here or there is fine just ask Sony with move

[bolimekurac]

you are right, this isnt the wii gimmick, this is trying to replicate some of the wii features but trying to sell it to 20 something year olds. it just doesnt come off right at all.

[Legion21]

I was hoping to see them return to a more traditional console, with a traditional controller. Then release 2-3 big Nintendo IPs at launch like, Zelda, Mario, and Metroid. Nintendo at this point is trying to hard to cater to the family setting. Not every game needs to be cutesy

[HarrisonMode]

Totally agree, Nintendo is so utterly out of touch that the meme material was flying left, right and centre. Stuff like "share the joy" and the incredibly odd lead designer showing us that the joy con allows us to "feel" if it has 1,2 or 3 blocks of ice in a glass...umm huh?? Very disappointed in everything other than Zelda obviously but after tax and after buying the game - $400 is an absurd amount to spend on a system that is already looking like it's lacking any real games until next Christmas. Wow Ninty, I had real hope this time too.

[light69]

Dude the point of the ice example was to explain the new feature it has, I believe they called it hd rumble feed back, this is a game changer, if you can feel differences with in the game by using the controller as that sensor that opens up world of possibilities, just like n64 introduced the widely used rumble feature for feed back. Please don't post shit like this it's getting sad and annoying hearing bitching from people that think they know gaming. No one is forcing you to give your opinion soooo there's the log off button

[NotoriousWhiz]

@light

"No one is forcing you to give your opinion soooo there's the log off button"

Lol

[conanlifts]

I actually thought 1, 2 switch looked fun. Gimmicky but fun. My issue is only 2 games confirmed for launch, and then a few more for the rest of the year. Most are 2018-2019. I can't believe how many games were talked about without footage.

[maniacmayhem]

It's funny to read how people say what they never asked for. Exactly what did you know before hand to even ask?

[NextGenCeo]

299$ for a mobile tech! I'm just sayin.
(ESL guy here.)

[EddieNX]

Nvidia Tegra is cutting edge mobile tech bud.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Regardless of how they're trying to Market this it is still there portable and I think maybe 249 would have been The Sweet Spot.

I'm completely fine with 299 though

[EddieNX]

Yh its £280 here on Amazon £250 would be sweetspot... Still going GAME to pre order one with Zelda today.

@wallstreet, Nvidia tegra chips are industry leading mobile chips, cutting edge. Am I wrong? They're not cheap, you expect it to have the same specs as PS4 even though its a small,portable tablet.

[Wallstreet37]

Just stop it cutting edge my %ss. They are once again selling a weaker console at a premium price and hiding specs as to not alarm consumers.

Embarrassing!!!

You die hards never give up and put a positive spin on everything.

And yeah we know you would prefer order even if it was 500 lol your obsession wouldn't allow you to do otherwise. This systems looks to be medoliocre at best. What a shame. It should be 200 to 250 no more.

[NextGenCeo]

I know that but 249$ was really good price. i was expecting 199$ and 249$ 2 sku's from Nintendo but they did not.
32GB good for starter but i really like to see HDD support over USB 3.0 port. But problem is i check Nintendo webside images and i saw 2 USB 2.0 ports and 1 Blue USB port but doesn't call the USB 3.0 port it was writing just "USB port" on the back.

Blue USB port means USB 3.0 i know but ı still have concern for that. Because i have already 500GB 7200RPM USB 3.0 2.5 inc hdd case at home. I stiil keeping for Nintendo Switch :) And yes i'm getting day one i'm looking amazon.com pre order evey hour i'm checking right now :D
(ESL guy here so sorry for English)

[Wallstreet37]

Light....

Here comes the Nintendo aka Reggie defender to shine the force and convince us this garbage is worth the purchase price lol

IMA give you some advice.... Hop off and I don't like stalkers. The presentation was trash and the system is over priced. Its not about specs but also offering new software and diversifying. Thankfully we have Sony covering all front:)

Hmmmm I wasnt planning to buy it you say? I actually have it preordered on Amazon just in case, total came out yo 326 which is way too high but I did it just in case a miracle happens to change my mind. Mind you I also own a Wiiu and if you don't believe me pm me and I'll give you my son and dustvit off (have used it a total of like five times and it was a waste of money).

Not everyone is a blind fanatic. I owe no allegiance to a console manufacturer and if anyone of them continuously screw up I'll drop them fast. This weird allegiance ppl have to Consoles of choice or companies like Nintendo is odd.

[jaycptza]

haha, cutting edge "MOBILE" tech... keyword word being mobile

[arkard]

Considering people pay triple that for mobile tech seems like a good price point.

[badz149]

you honestly just compared the Switch to a mobile phone?

[Gemmol]

show me a handheld better

[MRMagoo123]

so when do you think their console will come out then? cos a handheld isn't a home console.

[Wallstreet37]

Its coming out years after vita and no one else makes handhelds lol how would you find a better one. Its a console first and foremost, a weak one at that and the handheld power is what is expected after vita released many years ago and was powerful. For a portable it's in line with what's expected but not awe inspiring lol

[Protagonist]

@Gemmol

So it is a handheld now... funny because it seems most nintendrones argues it is a console "than can go portable"... make up your damn mind.

[ABizzel1]

Truly depends on what you mean by better, and what you deny us from using for comparisons sake as your counter argument will either say "The Switch cost less", or "it's a phone not a handheld", or some other reasoning, because I can list several that are better.

The selling point here once again is Nintendo's first party, but at $300 for the hardware, practically required additional storage space ($40 for 128GB), $60 per game, and if you want the pro controller $70 on top of that, puts you at $470 for Switch, Zelda, a modest amount of storage space, and a better Pro Controller to play it on your HDTV. $470 + your subscription service for online gaming.

At $300 I can find plenty of mobile devices that game much better.

At $500 I can find plenty of mobile devices that have significantly better hardware, and game much better.

[SojournUK]

£279 in the UK ($340usd)

[pcz]

it is the wiiu all over again.

too expensive, too little software. nintendo have learnt nothing.

mario- great
zelda- great
xenoblade- fantastic.

but am i going to fork out 300+ for those games alone. zero chance.

nintendo blew it again.

[ABizzel1]

I sadly have to agree. And once you factor in the extra memory needed for downloading games, the Pro Controller for better controls you're up to $410, then $60 for AAA games, and a paid subscription service. I just can't.

[Articuno76]

Yep. No way they'll have any other games other than that over the entirety of its lifetime :P

Come on, guys, get real. That's a bigger exclusive line-up than most systems have in their first year. The PS4 went ages before it even had an exclusive worth getting excited for.

[CDbiggen]

£279, with no game included...
It needed something like wii sports at the very least.

[ABizzel1]

It needs a price cut Day 1 with 1 / 2 switch bundled in.

[Concertoine]

@abizzel

It seems massively dumb to not have 1-2 Switch bundled. They described it as an icebreaker for people wanting to get a Switch, and weird party games like that arent big sellers anyway. Just stick in the 299 bundle, it'll win over some casuals. Then have a fancy looking zelda variant with 1-2 Switch and Zelda for 349.

[bluefox755]

Was a bit disappointing. They didn't really show a whole lot that we didn't already know, revealed almost nothing regarding specs, battery life seems pretty lackluster, and the 3rd party reveals were pretty limited as well. Also, I couldn't believe they're trying to push motion controls AGAIN, lol.

[hirobrotagonist]

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[hirobrotagonist]

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[Articuno76]

Where you expecting some kind of detailed spec readout?

Sony and Microsoft don't even do that anymore (only sharing the broadest details), and Nintendo hasn't for two entire generations.

[Deathdeliverer]

Disappointed as hell about no mention of a direct Ethernet port. I play a lot of fighters and shooters. It's simply no substitute to a direct connection. When they started announcing optional add ons I was hoping for a Ethernet adapter and still no dice. Day one for me, like all my consoles, but damn. Not a big deal at the start I guess since no fighters were announced besides Arms which looks pretty fun. But if a new Tatsunoku comes out or a switch version of Tekken...

Mario Kart for Wii U ran great on Wifi so no worries there. Hope there's some kind of discount for previous owners. If not it's understandable. Nobody else does it. Never know with Nintendo though. They showed love for previous virtual console owners.

[Gemmol]

it most likely use lan adapter again like Wii U, but wifi work well on Wii U like you said, and since it use the new technology in wifi, I dont think you will need the ethernet adapter

[Deathdeliverer]

Wifi worked well on Mario Kart is what I said. Smash bros ran unpredictably, which is what wifi is.

[FallenAngel1984]

The console is less than two months away from release and Nintendo still has the nerve to skimp on all of the necessary details

[Wallstreet37]

Too much money for weaker hardware. The conference just killed any thought of me buying it. 200, maybe 250 would have been my purchase price but Nintendo is still behind the times smh and over charging for last gen hardware.

Fanatics defend all you want but its meh.

[bluefox755]

They will never learn I'm afraid.

[BigTrain]

They will never learn because the consumer never learns. People keep buying their products simply because of their 1st party titles.

[MRMagoo123]

plus paid online mp like Sony and MS....le sigh

[Legion21]

I don't have a single Wii U I even play online. Not to mention I don't want a third subscription between the Xbox and PlayStation.

[EddieNX]

How is it last gen? Its completely up to date as a handheld, very powerful even.

[KuroKiko]

Once stuck a Nintendo sticker on a side of a trashcan. Then some dude passed by wanting to buy the "Nintendo product". Was hard to talk to as he kept wanting take it then and there.

[hirobrotagonist]

If it didn't have a screen and the ability to take it one the go I'd agree with you, but that's not the case.

[yeahokwhatever]

This was awful. How embarrassing for Nintendo. Their stock is already down 6%. Tomorrow is going to be ugly.

[hirobrotagonist]

Yeah and it'll go back up if it's a success. Pretty standard

[demonddel]

Boy Sony fans complain all day

[Kaneki-Ken]

You giving an opinion that criticize the system means you are PlayStation fan. You such ignorant. The Launch Line up is sad, Zelda will be the only game that is worth the buy but everything else is disappointment. They haven't mention no specs, and they going to start charging for online; they going to give you Nes, SNes game for free each month but those game only last for a month and if you want play it again then you must buy it. I think you are just a fanboy and people have mixed feelings with the Switch now. I on the other hand, I will buy it even though since launch date fall on my Birthday and I love some Zelda but I will skip on Online since I always play offline anyways.

[demonddel]

The PS4 PRO didn't have no launch games

[Kaneki-Ken]

PS4 Pro is just a PS4 but a premium version that means is not a new Console rather an update and it did had a lot of Pro update First-party/ newThird-party games to offer within the same month while Switch is a new Console and it barely offer much on launch date compare to PS4/Xbone and even the WiiU which is sad. At least WiiU had more than 3 games on launch date that was not as bad as 1-2-switch and arms is not a great game but Zelda is the only thing that helping the Switch on launch date.

[demonddel]

Oh OK that's what Sony sold you on for $400 console and you bought it

[demonddel]

But you worry about Nintendo and its launch games which one of them could possibly be the game of the century

[Kaneki-Ken]

I only trade in my regular PS4 and only pay 50$ so no I didn't spent 400$. The Switch price is right but no thank on Online Subscription and the 60$ for 1-2 Switch. Like I told you the Launch Line up is very weak and only Zelda is holding up the Switch in day one while other are just Nintendo games are cringy/ boring games. I am not a PlayStation fanboy since I own a gaming PC, PS4 Pro, Xbone, PSVITA, recently I just bought the limited New Nintendo 3DS Mario Bros White Edition so whatever you going to say, you can't call me a fanboy.

[demonddel]

Calling the Xbox One Xbone is a typical fanboy word Sony fanboy to be exact let's talk about launch titles when I 1st got the PS4 Knack and Killzone were my options but nothing on the Mighty Zelda level but I'm sure you didn't say a word but that's typically how it works around here

[Kaneki-Ken]

The difference is that PS4 offer both first party /third party games as well meaning it had mare than just 3 games on launch while Switch have less and barely any good except Zelda. Not everyone like Zelda so that the things, Nintendo should focus on both variety of appealing games on launch date but Instead they going to hide behind Zelda. So spending 300$ for one game doesn't justify the buy day one compare to PS4/Xbone.

[Ninte]

Correct me if I'm wrong but is playing on hand held mode is 2 to 6 hours depending on the game?

[MRMagoo123]

yeh I think someone said 3 hours for something like Zelda......which imo isn't much time really especially considering the game auto downgrades when undocked..

[conanlifts]

More importantly only 2 launch games confirmed. Zelda and 1,2 switch.
ARM likely to follow. Mario kart 8 end of April. Splatoon 2 summer. Elder scrolls and mario fall time. Fifa later in the year.

That's a terrible game line up as far as releases go. Most consoles launch with a dozen plus games to offer variety and choice. This is worse than the wii u announced game schedule. Plus i am aware they delayed most wii u games after launch so there is a high chance mario could her delayed.
Xenoblade 2 and many others are 2018 according to ebgames. Kind of irritated as i wanted to preorder this and there is literally nothing for me to purchase it for as i am not a zelda fan.

Of course they could announce more release titles. If not only zelda fans will buy this and then it will flop more than great grannies buxom once unleashed.

[light69]

To be fair they are announcing more games on trusted game website (I say trusted becaue it seems these days most game news website are just putting shit bait articles) preferably search up mynitendonees.com or Nintendoeverything.com playeressence is another good one. Some of the game a announced are launch as well, I'll agree they didn't really do a good job at managing their time and showing more games specially the launch games but I know for a fact that they'll have announcements in the coming weeks

[conanlifts]

I hope they do. For me if xenoblade 2 and pikmin were out in the first few months i would already have ordered it. As it is i need to see what games they advertise to see if it's worth it.

As for game info i am using a combination of ebgames for release dates and http://www.nintendo.com/gam... for game information. I will check out the sites you linked as well.

[light69]

Actually I forgot about pikmin but like they said it was supposed to be finished so If it is i wouldn't be surprise if they revealed it soon if not today.

Yeah mean just make sure you get the facts and not the biased opinions. Happy gaming

[kevnb]

I hate when people use the word "literally" for no reason.. but anyway. Just dont buy one at launch, it will probably be hard to get one as initial stock will be low (just like psvr).

[Yohshida]

What do you guys think, how will the SWITCH do? Good or Bad? I personally think it will be a success in Asia but fail to get big numbers here in the west. I mean, they only announced 2 Launch Games by now, which is kinda embarrassing.

[ABizzel1]

Completely agree.

It'll do well in JP like all Nintendo handhelds, but the West is almost DOA like the Wii U unless they do another drastic 3DS price drop.

To get the full "console" experience you're paying $300 for the Switch + MicroSD / HSS ($40 for 128GB SD) + $70 Pro Controller + Subscription cost + $60 games. This thing is getting insanely expensive fast.

Meanwhile you can buy a PS4 / XBO for $250 bundled with a game, and pay for their subscription service which gives you 2 - 4 free games per month, with proven libraries of games, and a huge catalog of amazing exclusives for 2017 (for PS4, XBO needs E3 soon).

The Switch has no market here outside of Nintendo fans, and the Wii U and even the 3DS proved that the western market aren't strongpoints for Nintendo anymore.

They have a horrible uphill battle in NA and EU.

[RAM0N]

Yo, that 1 2 switch game though

[pleasuretokill]

lol. Terrible specs. Don't care for mobile as I do all my gaming at home. Bye Nintendo.... it's been fun.

[Wallstreet37]

If anyone wants to know amazon pre order is up cones out to 326

[Artemidorus]

Told you it's a flop but people don't listen or learn.

Truth is Nintendo need to stop being cheapsakes and start providing premium content and decent games like the N64 days instead of cutting corners and using Mario, Zelda etc as a way of taking money.

[Zikax]

what was the point? sorry but do u really think nintendo show u everything before e3?

[Tussin187]

That's fine but it's coming out in March which is less than 2 months away. So yeah, we need more details.

[Nitrowolf2]

Well it does come out in March so yeah, we kind of do expect them to show off more.

[lellkay]

Wasn't impressed with the conference.

[CrimsonWing69]

Dude why give highlights on the products weakness? I mean take this into consideration apparently Skyrim isn't the latest version but more like something in between the Xbox 360/PS3 version and the remastered version.

Nintendo learned nothing from the Wii U. This again will be hugely supported by brand loyalists and then sales will plateau hard.

[PhoenixUp]

Nintendo doesn't want you to worry about every detail. They want to hype you into a frenzy to not focus on the many shortcomings Switch has within the less than two months before it releases

[kevnb]

I expected better battery life...

[Derceto]

I can hear Nintendo shareholders weeping in their beds already at the money they're going to lose on this abomination. How did this thing get off paper? Much less into production.

[spoonard]

So technically speaking, this is a step BACK from the WiiU it seems. Low-res graphics. TERRIBLE controller. No one wants finger prints all over the screen they are gaming on. 32GB of internal storage is a waste. "Game cards" are slow and expensive. Jeezus Christ, Nintendo. Go die in a dark corner somewhere. Stop wasting our time with bullshit.

[MilkMan]

I hated that presentation and there are questions that needed answering and they weren't.

[Dragonscale]

Does it have a headset and party chat?

[Defiantmac]

Why is everyone complaining about the system being $300? It doubles as a mobile system and a console and is brand new. If you cannot afford to dish out $300 for new tech then maybe this isn't the system for you? The XBOX One was $500 at launch and forced you to buy Kinect. The PS4 (Which I absolutely love) launched at $400 and the majority of games you could play year 1 were also available on PS3/PC.

It's really not that horrifying of a price point.

[Jalapeno]

When the NES, SNES, and Genesis were out, it was all about the games not how much VRAM or RAM or CPU cores your device had. IT WAS ALL ABOUT THE GAMES!

Does those technical specs really impact gameplay? It's still on the software devs to make the game work regardless of platform.

[YoungKingDoran]

Don't know if I'll get one, but one thing is for sure - what nintendo did with the wiiu graphics wise was very impressive technically and with these power gains am interested to see what they can do with it. Furthermore if they do focus on it being their main portable, then there will be some terrific IPs coming to this. I still need to see more though and see how it feels in person

[Pathogenic]

Dude I don't know about you but if you watched that press conference....even if you call that a press conference then I happy to support the plummet is here to stay. This is exactly what the Nintendo Switch is. "All the game consoles made by Nintendo smashed into one" What ever happened to innovation with Nintendo that's what helped keep Nintendo alive. Nothing in this conference says innovation. Nothing new except for hardware upgrades. Basically it's like Playstation Vita. Go anywhere with it and you can even connect it to your T.V.

What the hell is wrong with them. Then they try to preview games which I admit bored me to death. The content was lacking and the price tag does not justify the price of the console. This is a failed project. If I was Nintendo I would've fired every last piece a shit in that building and created a home console to rival the other two platforms. My god what a flop this is going to be. Sorry and I liked Mario but then that's it. Nothing wowed me at all. I passed the **** out and then I finally finished it. So disappointed in Nintendo, I wish they made a Gamecube 2.

[nawaz10]

Here are som details: 32GB ROM, 720P display, but when dock it can stream games in 1080p at 60fps.

[hahaha]

What details? It's just the annoying click sound.