PS4 & Xbox One sales now 'around 60 million' units, says Mad Catz

PS4 and Xbox One console sales now stand at "around 60 million" units, according to Mad Catz' chief financial officer David McKeon, 5 million more than the figure quoted by EA at the end of January.

[DarkOcelet]

Damn!

These current gen consoles are doing pretty good.

Most likely 39-40 million PS4 and 19-20 million XboxOne.

[MasterCornholio]

That sounds pretty reasonable to me. People predicting 22 million for X1 are probably way off though. I honestly don't see the X1 selling 3 million consoles outside of the holiday season in one month.

[miyamoto]

I don't these rumored sales they are one of Microsoft's PR tricks using the PS4's official figures to make it look like they sold more than they actually have.

M$ is still pretty embarrassed by reality.

Those sleazy sneaky

[skratchy]

Yeah. Gotta be about 39 to 21 by now. Nearly 2:1

[XanderZane]

I don't have any idea. As long as they keep selling millions every year, I'm happy. The more they sell, the more support they will keep getting. More great games for everyone.

[ShadowKnight]

I can't even imagine how many PS4 consoles will sell after SFV and Uncharted 4 comes out. Their number one franchise hasn't even came out yet. I really believe PS4 will catch the PS2 in sales. I took the Delorean back to the future and Sony was over 60 million in December 2016. The power of the force is definitely strong with Sony.

[deafdani]

You aren't implying their number one franchise is Uncharted, right? Because if you are, you're wrong. :P

Sony's biggest franchise is Gran Turismo.

Anyway, your post is right in the fact that the PS4 is only bound to shoot itself even further up in sales once its "biggest franchise" releases. :P

[ShadowKnight]

I never said Uncharted was their number 1 franchise. I just said their number one franchise. And their number one franchise hasn't been release yet.

[Jmanzare]

@saywat
Im the only one with an Xbox😮

[Fatal-Aim]

Sony announced 35.9 million jan 3rd. That means Microsoft was 19.2 and Sony 35.7 Dec 31st 2015. Microsoft averages ~10 million a year with the holidays being their biggest month, that's about 9.5 million a year, 1.5 million in November and another 1.5 million in December. So without any exclusives, they are probably averaging around 650,000k to 700,000k a month. In 45 days, Sony was able to sell through 5.7 million units to consumers. There's no stretch to say they probably sold about half that just this pass January with the new bundles and exclusives that just landed an others to follow.

[subtenko]

What is up with people on here? The ps4 is outselling the xbox one but people are disagree with facts. It doesnt mean the xbox one sucks, it just means the ps4 is the fan favorite. That shouldn't affect u and a good time

[candystop]

Why does it matter who disagrees? Just be happy for Sony and move on. Obviously it's not everyone's fan favorite and nothing wrong with that.

[jznrpg]

Its actually good to disagree or we are just a borg hive

[subtenko]

@jznrpg yea but Im saying with facts in this context. disagreeing that that one needs to eat food and drink water to live is just..not right. That why I was wondering wats up with top dudes post.

With that kind of attitude, how can a great discussion carry out between gamers no matter the platform?

[MazzingerZ]

I don't recall a single article last generation that put together sales number as a whole...this gen is pretty often I see this kind of articles. I wonder why?

Reminds me of when my older brother suggested that we put our allowances together so we could split 50/50...I was younger but not stupid :-)

[Angeljuice]

^^^Because its from Mad Catz who are a third party hardware manufacturer. They don't care who sells the most as they sell peripherals for both companies.

They band the figures together because they are their potential customer base.

[jznrpg]

They are trying not to hurt the weaker selling companies feelings?? Hehe

[Automatic79]

@DarkOcelot

Sony announced 35.6 at or around PSX and EA announced around 55 by end of January. At this point and time Sony can be at or around 36 to 38 million and Xbox One around 20 to 22 million. Either way congratulations to both.

[YinYangGaming]

Yeah january-february not many consoles are sold so I doubt Sony jumped that much, I imagine its around 38 to 22 or around that

[Eonjay]

Why would Xbox jump more than PS4? Ever?

[uptownsoul]

I'd have to agree with @Eonjay...Not sure how Xbox would have had a larger jump within that timespan. Not saying its impossible, but its highly improbable.

[skratchy]

Sony was at 38 million two weeks ago, so I expect it to be closer to 39. I doubt the Xbox One somehow sold equal or more in the same time. 39 to 21?

[Hitoemi]

A lot are sold in the US during tax refund season.

[jb227]

@eonjay

Haven't you heard? The XBO got RDR BC...that's a megaton from what I understand, I'm sure there were at least 4-5 million holding off on a next gen console for the announcement of compatibility for a last gen game!

The 55 million figure from EA & now the 60 from Mad Catz is all conjecture really. Fairly certain that if consoles aren't required to give numbers to the public that they also aren't required to give them to publishing partners. These places have in house analysts for those figures which is equivalent to someone making a very optimistic guess, overselling consoles in order to drive more sales for the platforms, ultimately resulting in more sales for these companies.

I honestly think PS4 is closing in on 40 & MS is closing in on 20, that would make for a +/- swing of around 5 million consoles, and these in house analysts are always going to take the highest possible number. I just wonder if they are basing this off of units in homes or units sold to stores.

[Errorist76]

Just quoting VGChartz for week of January 9th:

---------USA------EU-------JP -------Worldwide
PS4 -- 95,837 - 98,738 - 37,474 - 278,250

XOne - 50,301 - 26,528 - 216 --- 86,305

[Black0ut]

@Errorist

Stop citing VGchartz, they have been proven to be incorrect on their estimates time and time again. Who knows what influences them to inflate one side or the other, it's unreliable.

Good to see both brands going strong with PS4 going super strong! We all need competition for the gamers benefit whether y'all like it or not.

[nitus10]

@Black0ut

Assuming VGChartz is not that accurate if you know of another site that give out statistical figures for console sales then I sure we would be all ears.

Collecting information from all sources over time and creating a graph is fairly straight forward and pretty much dead accurate. The problem is that it is ridiculously time consuming to do this so the most efficient way is to collect a sample and extrapolate on that sample. Of course this does lead to errors.

Statistics is can vary from being very simple to extremely complex and if you look at a University statistics paper you will see what I mean.

[johndoe11211]

There is nothing on this green earth that can convince me that the xbone has sold 22 million systems at this point.

[YinYangGaming]

@johndoe and 2 users above, I wasn't saying that Xbox jumped more as we all know that's not probable but I'm saying PlayStation released their official number in January and I was saying I doubted it has jumped 2 million in January - February because these are small months and since we didn't get official numbers from MS (just a guess from EA predictions) it would logically put them at 21 or 22 million

[DJustinUNCHAIND]

Not even logic or math?

[Pongwater]

@Justin - Logic and math say johndoe is most likely correct.

[divinealpha]

How much they sold in your mind ? Cause it seems everyone is getting disliked when they put up there estimation

[freshslicepizza]

do some people actually not want the system to sell well? that would be very curious if true.

[butchertroll]

LOL! MS sold more consoles than Sony between mid January and Feb 10th? How so?

So, from 19 mil. to 22 mil. 3 million in 4 weeks.

[MasterCornholio]

Amazing sales!!!!!!

:p

[badz149]

Not even RRoD can generate that number for Xbox LOL!

[Geobros]

EA told about 55 million before 2 weeks, now Mad Catz say 60. Ok, I am confused.

[Eonjay]

I'm pretty sure they are just estimating. EA's figure was at the end of last year. They probably sold about 2 million since then and 60 million is probably a rounded figure.

[Christopher]

Possibly shipped vs sold through?

[skratchy]

That would make a bit more sense.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Companies count shipped to retail as sold because retail buys those consoles anyway meaning that the company is counting their sales sold in general.

What retail is able to sell off isn't really tallied by individual companies as it's difficult to track such a thing into them it's almost irrelevant.

They track sales faster merely due to how quickly retail needs more shipments.

If it's taking longer for them to order more it means they're not leaving faster thus they're not buying more shipments thus the company gets less sales.

So consider being shipped is their goal to make money. Those companies make money before the system is even sold to a consumer. So I would sort of see shipped vs sold as pretty irrelevant to a company because it's virtually the same thing.

[DragonKnight]

@EDMIX: It's not difficult to subtract numbers and find totals. Here's how easy it is.

Gamestop orders 100 PS4's

Sony ships them.

A month later Sony calls up and asks how many are left.

Gamestop says 25

75 consoles have been purchased at that Gamestop.

The idea that sell through numbers are difficult to track assumes that both console makers, and retail stores, only keep loose track of stock and transactions. That is an absurd notion.

[Rookie_Monster]

Great news. GLAD both consoles are selling like wild fire. Can't wait for Quantum Break and uncharted 4!

[MrSugarholic]

We don't know if both of them are selling like wild fire, maybe just one.

[Fez]

How fast is wild fire actually sold? Evidence please to back up this claim!

Hot cakes, I could understand... but wild fire? Where can you even buy that anymore? Health and safety gone mad I tell ya.

[Bathyj]

PS3 was no failure. It sold very well from the get go. But the big buzz word last gen was Marketshare. PS3 was doomed they would cry, because PS2 had so much marketshare which PS3 did not, basically down to the fact that Sony actually finished their hardware before they started selling it and we're unlikely to see a console dominate a generation again to the extent that PS2 did.

Now XBOne is matching (more or less) PS3 numbers which people want you to think MS is happy with (yet we were supposed to be disappointed with those numbers last gen) but what of their marketshare? After 2 years on the market last gen they enjoyed a healthy lead, maybe 2:1 given PS3 was a year behind in sales (and about 18 months in Europe) but now its PS4 with a 2:1 ratio and they launched at the same time. So are we to pretend that loss of marketshare doesnt bother them.

The reason XBOne numbers arent that impressive thus far is because its clear that the pie that is console gaming is alot bigger this time round. MS might have a bit more actual pie on their plate, but when they see how big the pie on the table is and how little a slice of it theyre getting theres no way they would be satisfied with that. And given their history I dont expect them to support XBOne has long as Sony will support PS4. They will look to get the early lead next gen and try to resurrect the only real advantage they every had sales wise.

[Automatic79]

@Bathyj

"The reason XBOne numbers arent that impressive thus far is because its clear that the pie that is console gaming is alot bigger this time round. MS might have a bit more actual pie on their plate, but when they see how big the pie on the table is and how little a slice of it theyre getting theres no way they would be satisfied with that. And given their history I dont expect them to support XBOne has long as Sony will support PS4. They will look to get the early lead next gen and try to resurrect the only real advantage they every had sales wise."

Bathyj you and many here act as if Xbox numbers are bad and instead move goal post for some absurd agenda you have "by saying "I dont expect them to support XBOne has long as Sony will support PS4" only shows your ignorance as to how you fuel fanboy agendas let me school you once and for all. I won't repeat this in the future because this is getting old.

Sony is in 123 Territories

http://www.prnewswire.com/n...

Xbox One launched in 13 markets

and a year later added 29 new markets.

http://bgr.com/2014/09/03/x...

While Sony had a year head start in over 80 markets they probably have no competition in other markets.

Before you and many others start to say I am using this as an excuse. I am the first to own up to it and say this is no excuse. Nor is it Sony's fault for the Xbox delay in many markets. What I am going to say is that PS4 has incredible worldwide market share for a good reason 1) there are markets were there is no competition from MS 2) Sony had a year or in other territories up to two years head start.

Note: I am using the same analogy many have when the Xbox 360 and PS3 generational lead was in effect. Many have stated Xbox 360 did well with one year lead. Guess who is doing very well in many markets with One or two year leads or in the alternative no competition in other territories.

So while you and many see Sony's lead as amazing and it is. You should also see Xbox One numbers amazing as well for the markets they are in. At this point they are 40% higher then 360 and are relatively higher then PS3. PS4 lead is incredible and so is Xbox One's numbers for the relative time frame since launch and markets they are in. Overall Kudos to Sony and MS. Both are doing respectively good for the markets they are both in.

Note: Both launched at the same time frame in US and 13 markets around the world. PS4 had an incredible strategy by launching in as many territories relatively fast. By up to one year or two in many markets around the world. Did many of you know that Sony had over 20 markets in Europe compared to MS only having 2 markets at launch. Hence the reason for the Big market share in Europe by PS4.

Xbox One is going to get supported in the future because it is doing incredibly well compared to its predecessors within the same launch to two year mark time frame.

One last thing I am going to get disagrees or a sensible conversation out of this. I prefer sensible please n4g reply if you do have something to discuss.

[Bathyj]

Michael, Im happy to discuss things sensibly.

For starters, nowhere did I say, and I dont think Ive ever said (but pour through my comment history if you like to prove me wrong) that XBOne sales were doing bad. Please dont listen to raving rhetoric of XBox hating fanboys here and act like I was the one who said it when replying directly to me. Thanks in advance, I appreciate that.

I'm merely saying simply selling as well as a last gen console that was allegedly selling poorly is not THAT good, considering THIS Gen is on fire, there is no Wii to compete against cannibalizing Sonys and MS's sales, and most gamers are buying to proper current gen systems and by all accounts this gen will outsell last gen. Again, I'm not really factoring the Wii in because no one ever does. Sony and MS console WILL sell more than last gen and rather than pretty much breaking even MS will be in a huge deficit. This is pretty much set in stone now. They are still selling good, but no where near as good as they would like to be. Its like saying I get a 2 minute lap time in my Honda Civic, then I buy a Ferrari, still get a 1.58 lap time, and Im ok with that because I'm doing slightly better but the conditions suggest I should be doing a lot better.

Second, youre right, the whole number of countries thing is getting old. One of the richest companies in the world cant get their act together to launch a proper world wide launch, but a supposedly broke company can. Why not? Because theres not much demand? There no demand in Japan either but MS is there, why cant they be everywhere. Youre saying Sony had a 1 or 2 year lead in countries like Switzerland or Kazakistan or where ever. MS had a 1 year lead in the USA the worlds biggest market, and 18 months in Europe, Sonys biggest market. Its not even close to the same thing. Plus I dont see that Sony launched late, MS launched early, thats pretty obvious judging from the hardware failure rates. If MS are not in the same countries Sony is in, its only their fault. You say its not an excuse but youre putting it up as one.

Anyway, I dont really care that much about sales, Im just adding my two cents. Like I said my main concern is whether MS will support a console they know is losing because 2 generations say they wont. This is concerning especially for me because I will be a late adopter (Quantum Break) and may only get a few years of use from it, but I guess thats my own fault for joining the party late and at least I'll have a good back catalog to go through. Game on friend.

[jznrpg]

@MichaelLito79 maybe they didn't release in those territories because they wouldn't sell much anyways? Just a thought

[Shakengandulf]

You need to lay off the dough.

[Free_Fro]

Third parties view them as ONE platform..

[Eonjay]

That isn't true. You made that up.

[xHeavYx]

@Free_Fro
Yeah, that's why they do exclusivity deals for DLC and stuff like that.

[_-EDMIX-_]

I mean it's not as if those deals are for life I've yet to really find any dlc deal that was permanently exclusive. Lol

And I'm sure he actually means in regards to multiplatform publishers they might view both as one huge install base to make money on with certain IPs

[KwietStorm_BLM]

If that were the case, why would publishers specifically note how much revenue they receive from platform X vs platform Y in their quarterlies?

[_-EDMIX-_]

It's likely because they still need to know specifically performance-wise how well the game does on one platform vs. Another clearly they need to know where the game is favored.

No I don't a hundred percent agree with OP I can see financially in business wise how a publisher could view both consoles as a single huge install base to make money from.

Not saying that they view them the same but merely that their viewing them for the same reasons to make money.

I may count all of my investment properties in one lump monthly payments, that actually doesn't mean I specifically see a duplex just like I see a condo or single family home just like a townhouse it actually just means they're different property types but for the same goal to generate revenue so in some strange way I sort of see with the OP might be referring to.

I would just say try not to take his statement so literally.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Lol I'm not saying in some strange way that's not true but it's clear they view the install base as a single install base.

it just depends on the genre and the region some publishers it wouldn't surprise me if you them as being closer to each other in terms of how they're going to make their returns.

For example with very Japanese games they may not put them on a platform that doesn't perform well in that region but in games that are more geared towards the west the publisher may view both platforms as being a tallied up install base for their sales.

So in some strange way for certain titles specifically yes I could see a publisher sort of viewing both platforms like that

[Free_Fro]

You're the only one who seems to understand what I was trying to say..

[_-EDMIX-_]

lol, I think I have a general idea of what you mean and it could have been explained a bit better.

I think many took your comment very literal in assuming they see the consoles as 1 thing ie the same specs etc.

I think they merely see it as the same revenue stream depending on genre, region etc.

I can see how Activision, EA, Ubisoft can see some of their series as being on one platform in terms of types of revenue in titles like Assassin's Creed, Call Of Duty, Destiny, Battlefront etc.

Where for other publishers they might see it differently on titles like lets say Yakuza or Star Ocean. I actually can see how they might interpret it like that regarding revenue streams.

[Black0ut]

I will personally sell more consoles than both brands combined.

...See, I can make stuff up as well :)

It is very important to publishers to see how well console are selling; even though PS4 is closing in on 2:1, it's still good to see that Xbox isn't out of the race. Still has plenty of support from the owner and from the publishers alike.

Great to see the PS4 selling so much.

[Tsunade]

Remember the keyword here..

Estimates!

This by no means are official numbers. It is a company making an estimate of other companies sales. We know official numbers, at least by Sony, and there is an obvious reason why Microsoft is embarrassed of talking about their numbers.

[kduplessis07]

Probably ps4 38 and xbox at 22 like it our not the xbox is selling well!!!

[butchertroll]

Like it or not, MS didn't sold 3 million Xbones in 4 weeks.

[butchertroll]

So, by your logic, Sony sold 36-40 million PS4 between mid January to 10th Feb. 4 million PS4 in 4 weeks. Not bad.

Dude, it's highly unlikely that either MS or Sony sold that amount of consoles at that time.

MadCatz's estimates are OVERESTIMATES.

[cyber_daemonx]

@kdup if xbone was REALLY on 22 PS4 would more likely be on 44 (2:1 worldwide pretty much from day 1). Tbh its more likely PS4 is on 41 to 42 (60 minus 18 to19). It probably won't be long till Sony announce 45 the rate that PS4 is selling .

@boba, that statement may be truer than you think lol.

[Pillsbury1]

Healthy console sales equate a healthy games industry which is good news for our medium.

[_-EDMIX-_]

Agreed this is a great thing for all developers publishers it's a nice healthy install base for everyone to make lots of money in.

More games for gamers more money for developers publishers, especially independent that now have both PlayStation 4 and Xbox along with clearly PC to make money off of.

This is a great time for startup developers that now get all the major install bases to view there content and be able to experience and give them a chance something that was for a very long time only on open source PC.

Most times to even get a console game you had to make a deal with a publisher possibly sell your IP and lose lots of rights to your game just to make money on multiple install base, now it's so common to have publishers as developers self-publishing their work on all platforms.

I would say this is one of the biggest takeaways from this generation is independent developers now having multiple sources of revenue I feel many might be overlooking this in gaming history.

[Gamist2dot0]

Since Madcats manufacture fight sticks and Street Figther V is releasing soon, 40 million+ PS4s is the probability for me.

[DLConspiracy]

Hey look an important gaming article to hate each other over. This is everybody's chance to prove their love! Don't waste this opportunity!

"I hate you because this Corp is doing more/less than the other. I love corporations so much. They do nothing but make the world an amazing place. How can I help a corporation who is rolling around in money? I will be your corporate slave and worker ant to conform non believers into followers. I dont need money... in fact let me donate more money to you greedy corporation because i know how that makes your happy corporation"

[iTechHeads]

False.

[FallenAngel1984]

This sounds like a shipped number. I just can't imagine that PS4 and XO sold 5 million combined in one and a half months.

[BitbyDeath]

Bingo.

Sony was at 37.7m shipped as of end of December, Sony would ship around 1.5 million a month (sales are usually at or just under 1m per month).

37.7 + 1.5(Jan) + 725k (Feb) = 39.9m PS4 shipped

60 - 39.9 = 20.1m XB1 shipped

Not 100% accurate but likely ballpark figures.

[Realms]

People getting bent out of shape over unofficial numbers, unless Sony has some sort of complete meltdown this trend will continue this whole generation. Sony out selling MS is old news but it's fascinating seeing fanboys and armchair analyst try and spin things one way or the other.

[Subaruwrx]

We have no idea how accurate Mad Catz's or EA's estimates of PS4 and XB1 total console sales are. The only factual data we have to work with is that, per Sony, the PS4 had sold through 35.9 million units as of Jan 3 2016. That said, people really shouldn't use these estimates to guess how many PS4's and XB1's have been sold rather; they should wait until Sony and MS provide them with factual data. I'm pretty sure Sony will continue to provide us with regular sales updates for the PS4; the same can't be said for MS with XB1 sales.

[nitus10]

Quote "Lies damned lies and statistics".

With regard to consoles sales the only sure way to know is to be given the sales to the retailer which in hindsight is really easy since the vendor should know. Of course that is assuming that the vendor is not lying and is willing to give that information to an unbiased reporting group.

Err .. ok lets assume the vendor is willing to give out sales to retailers figures and we can really trust the vendor. Now we have a huge problem. How do we determine how many consoles have been sold to the consumer?

Easy we just need to get this information from all retailers (good luck with that) or a reliable sample of retailers to tell a reputable person or group that will analyse and report without bias.

Can anyone see were this is going? If not I refer you back to my original quote.

[DivineAssault]

40/20 ratio at best

[BlakHavoc]

Who gives a flying fiddle! The Ps4 is dominating in sales and the X1 is also doing well but not quite as good. Either way we're all going to get our games, idk, it seems like some of you want the other console to seize to exist. If that's the case you're basically looking at a monopoly which is NOT good...ever.

[Bathyj]

Why do people keep saying that? I mean I know it sounds right in your head, but its like the PSOne and PS2 generations never existed.

Can anyone really say Sony dominating those gens was a bad thing because all I remember was it being awesome with fantastic games and gaming itself growing hugely from a pastime for kids to a billion dollar industry that overtook Hollywood.

No small thing. I think people underestimate how much impact those gens had and how much gaming owes to them.

[BlakHavoc]

So you're saying that if the X1 were to crash and burn resulting in MS no longer producing consoles or software, you'd be ok with that? Not even a little bit worried about Sony getting comfy and sitting on their hands? The past is the past and with the PS1 Sony was still dipping their hands in the gaming industry, an industry they were relatively unfamiliar with, so of course they were going to produce like crazy. Monopolies are never good, cause when there's no competition big companies like Sony and MS are going to be thinking about the money they can rake in, idc how in love some of you may think they are with us gamers. I guarantee if one console went down the other would begin pricing their consoles ridiculously high and the quality of their software and hardware would decrease, once companies know they are top dog and no one is competing they'll get complacent. Remember how high the PS3 was priced at launch? Only reason it came down was because the 360 was priced lower and was suddenly competition. Both MS and Sony would care more about how much money they are making then what us gamers want. It's a beautiful relationship now cause we all get what we want, they provide games and we give them our money. Once one company becomes the monopoly all that goes out the window cause regardless of how you feel about whichever company, if you enjoy gaming you're going to buy their product if it's the only option out there. Not saying gaming would totally suck but imo there's no way we'd see the innovations and effort we see today. Feel free to respond, just my opinion.

[Bathyj]

Who said I want MS out of the industry? Youre taking it to the extreme. Theres room in the middle ground you know.

I'm simply saying when Sony has dominated the industry was still good. You could say competition is good and I wont argue, but a blanket "Monopolies are bad" statement is not really true and has been proved. Twice even.

Thats it. I didnt say I only want Sony with no one to keep them on their toes. I dont want that at all. But I'm happy for them to dominate as I think they are the best ones to lead. MS had their period early last gen when they had leverage and they used it to strongarm publishers and developers and tell gamers what they wanted, not ask them. Thats why I'm happy to have them around, but I like them at a distant second where theyre trying harder.

[BlakHavoc]

Its like some of you truly believe Sony does what they do out of love for the gamers, no, they do it for the love of the money we give them. The objective for any company really but especially one as big as Sony or MS is to profit more and spend less, a monopoly contributes directly to that and would give them multiple ways to do just that. Any thing that's considered a risk right now, but necessary in order to steal more consumers from MS would go bye bye. They would cut out any unnecessary spending cause now they know the gaming community has no other option but to support the PS brand. And you keep bringing up their earlier domination even after I mentioned how with the PS1 is was basically the new kid on the block with the fancy shoes, they needed to find a way to catch the eye of the consumer, and they did just that and I'm happy for it. But even in domination you can never get complacent if the competition is still there, and the Xbox brand has been around since the PS2 days providing Sony with enough competition to remain relevant. Look, if all you're saying is that you like Sony dominating then that's ok, I never said that was a problem, I said the problem would arise if they ever became the lone company providing us with hardware and software. Which is true, like I said the key objective for these big companies is to profit more and spend less, you always have to spend money to make money when you're in a position like Sony or MS, but a lack of competition in an industry as big as ours would ensure a profit increase and a spending decrease, and how would that not mean a decrease in quality for us consumers. My original post was for those that seem like they want the Xbox brand to crash and burn, if that doesn't include you I'm not sure why you even replied. When I say monopoly I mean Sony lacking any true competition too, X1 may be doing poorly in comparison to the PS4 but it's still an established brand and more than relevant enough to keep Sony on their toes. If that reason to be on their toes ever goes away for either company...bad news for us gamers. That's all I'm saying.

[Realms]

@BlackHavoc

What are you talking about no gaming company has ever had a complete monopoly over the video game industry. Nintendo is the only company that has ever come close to it and that was a long time ago.

So no even if MS got out of the console business another company seeking to enter the market could take it's place.

[kduplessis07]

If microsoft shipped almost 10 million at the end of November 2014 it probably finished at 11-12 million at the end of 2014. It sold better in 2015 so 22 million isn't to far fetched god sony fanboy's are illogical.

[BitbyDeath]

4 of that 10 million was from 2013.
Adding another 6 million for 2015 is 16 million.
They obviously sold more than that in 2015
but it'd be no way near the doubled figure (12m) you are suggesting.

[jokerisalive]

Propably PS4 38 to 40 Mil and XB1 20 to 22 Mil...just my guess. First EA and now Mad Catz, seems like companies trying to get under MS skin and tell us more than what they want us to know as they have resorted to only reporting 'user accounts' and not console sales...LMFAO.

[illtownNJONE]

sony= sprint
microsoft= marathon

[GrubsterBeater]

Sony = sprinting through a marathon with no signs of slowing down

MS = hobbling through a marathon with one leg that is a tad shorter than the other, and it doesn't help that he's a pack-a-day smoker.

There, I fixed it for ya.

[JRPG-FAN]

Now when were talking about games and not sales, its completely the other way around :)

[GrubsterBeater]

@jrpgfan

XBox is in the dust when it comes to games, as evidenced by quality (subjective, but the majority agrees), overall metacritic rating, and quantity.

Fact.

In what delusional world can you even believe what you just said? Your statement is just wrong on so many levels.

[jairusmonillas]

This is not reliable.

Sony gives PS4 numbers that's the only true fact here.

Every Xbox One numbers are just guess and speculations because MS is too scared to reveal the real number.

I'm not even surprised if MS paid Mad Catz to spread BS lies like that.

[nitus10]

I am not sure about Mad Catz since they have just shed 37% of their work force. See the following: http://www.gamasutra.com/vi...

Read into that what you may.

Sony can only give console numbers that are sold to retailers although if major retailers are willing to give out their customer sales numbers to a trusted analysis group then you can be fairly confident that customers sales figures are fairly accurate.

Of course if it is very difficult to get customer sales information or if you can only get a small amount of reliable information then the uncertainty of your figures will increase accordingly.

[CBaoth]

That 35.9 million number were number of actual units in consumers' hands, not sold to retailers. I'm fairly certain all the console manufacturers have sold through numbers at their disposal. It's not at all like you suggest. Retail vendors are extremely transparent with their sales data to manufacturers. They wouldn't be in business together otherwise. Goodyear tires are no longer sold at Sears because of their corporate subterfuge. Sony doesn't need to know how much Pepsi Target sold but you can rest assure they know how many PS4s they did.

http://arstechnica.com/gami...

Note in the article Sony states shipped numbers were 37.7 million. It's very likey Mad Catz were using shipped numbers (supply chains calculate enough inventory to last roughly 45 days).

As for the fanboy remark, all sane gamers here politely remind you to NOT feed the animals while you enjoy your visit at the zoo. Yes while it's sad that 3 others agreed with him, just know like politics, he doesn't represent the silent majority. :)

[kenwonobi]

Sounds about right. 40million for PS4 and close to 20 million for Xbox.

[xkevmandc]

How stupid can ya people be, unless you woke for these companies. YOU don't know there shipment number, now everybody is taking guesses now WOW! Now ya people believing your own LIES... These company sell to retailer NOT consumers...at the end of the day nobody wants to hear FALSE information.

[corroios]

Who cares. This gen there isnt any kind of console war. Like it or not.

Every single week sony sells double the number of microsoft... There isnt any market where the xbox sells more. Its a done deal.

You cant compare with last gen, because that gen Xbox started with one year before and then Sony. It was in first place and then sony started catching up, months after months selling more and more.

This gen Sony is againg gonna set records.

[FoxyGotGame]

No point guessing the disparity between PS4/Xbox One Sales...

Both systems are doing enough to ensure Console Gaming remains Viable. PS4 is like Usain Bolt (sprinter), and the Xbox One is like Mo' Farrah (long distance runner)...both are great!

However, a 2:1 sales gap should not affect your enjoyment of the platforms respective exclusives. I'm fortunate enough to own both, because sales numbers (amazing or just good) won't stop me from playing the hell out of Uncharted 4 & Quantum Break this April )))))

[IamTylerDurden1]

That 35.9 number is closer to 40 million now. I knew EAs estimate was either old or wrong. I guarantee PS4 is over 38m.

[yomfweeee]

Stop trying to figure out how 5 million were sold in the last month.

These are "estimates" from two completely different companies.

[jznrpg]

Add 1 more ps4 to the total because I must have the Uncharted 4 bundle , it is beautiful