Arthur Bruno, CEO of Crate Entertainment, talked with Lou “herobyclicking” Adducci in his rural home office about his success with Kickstarter, being an indie developer, and action-rpgs.
Herobyclicking: Crate Entertainment had a successful Kickstarter followed by a strong Early Access period. What do you do to ensure this success?
Arthur: I can’t say that we were experts going into the Kickstarter, it was kind of a new thing. It was really good timing for us. I was in a position where I worked on Grim Dawn largely out of my pocket for a number of years. After Iron Lore closed down I just got some people together to see if I could get a studio off the ground.
It was after two years, the people I had previously worked with were volunteering their time. But they were getting pulled away by life and work was slowing down and I couldn’t keep doing it out of my savings. We had started looking at publishing deals but the terms offered are just brutal. They make it so you can get off the ground quickly with all the capital you need to develop and to hire a team, but it puts you in a precarious position in that once the project ends and you have this team and as soon the game is complete, the paychecks stop coming in. I think most people are starting to become aware that most games never earn out on their advance on royalties.
Kickstarter came along at the perfect time. We needed something to revitalize the project and keep it going. Seeing the success of Double Fine and those other successful Kickstarter campaigns I scrambled to see what they had done right. In retrospect I look back and see that there a lot things I missed, but launching the campaign early in the week so the information can percolate through the press worked. I think the way your tiers are set up matters. If someone drops $20 on the initial reward and the next reward they want is another $20 it’s hard to make that decision. If it’s only another $5 or $10 I think the psychology of it is not looking at the full amount, you’d think, “oh, it’s only another $5 or $10.” I have fallen victim to this all the time with Kickstarters I’ve followed. I get excited about rewards.
The other big thing is the stretch goals. Once you start getting towards the end, you need goals that are enticing, in that they are going to keep people coming back. I think if your early stretch goals don’t have a lot of broad appeal I think there is a risk that people will look at them at some point and think, “that’s really for” and then they go away, not caring how the campaign ends. I have seen other Kickstarters where some of their stretch goals were very narrowly focused. It makes it hard to justify spending money or maintaining interest.
We had to keep coming up with updates. There were some days when I got like four hours of sleep and then I would get up start working on the next thing we were going to show on the Kickstarter. Spare yourself some sleepiness and plan out your events, don’t scramble like I was while the campaign was going on.
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Herobyclicking: How much of the game did you have planned out prior to the Kickstarter?
Arthur: I tend to not plan things down too much detail, because I have found that as you go through you learn more about what you’re making and where you want to take it. . As you complete one thing it generates new ideas, features or story. Then the plan changes. I feel that if you spend too much time getting down to the nitty gritty of what you’re going to do early on that at some point a lot of that planning time is going to be wasted as you alter your course. Or if you stick to your plan you might have the best product because you didn’t take advantage of some of the new ideas that generated in development. I think that tends to happen a lot more with publisher funding products. You are required to get down into what features you’re going to have what your deliverables are at a given milestone. Trying to put in something that is not involved with given milestone in that situation is not anything anyone wants to get involved with.
You do want to have a vision. What’s the scope of it, what the generals are; hours of play, core gameplay, what types of content will be included. It’s probably more important to feel out what your team has in terms in experience so they know what they are getting into, more so than having a very detailed plan. For somebody outside of game development it would difficult to evaluate some of these plans. If somebody who was inexperienced game developer had a very detailed plan it might look great to an outsider or Kickstarter pledger. But with an experienced developer they would be able to see that they are trying to do too much.
I don’t want to say don’t pledge on Kickstarter to campaigns who don’t have a lot of experience developing, but I would say think about what people are proposing This even goes for professional development. If someone is pitching bigger, better, more features than anyone else has ever done, there is probably a reason why it hasn’t been done. I think that’s a trap that younger designers will fall into. To be fair, I don’t think we had a perfect plan. Not matter how experienced you are, you are going to come up against challenges. Even with the most experienced developer and the most complete plan, people pledging on Kickstarter have to understand that nothing is guaranteed.
Herobyclicking: Where did the concept for Cairn, the world of Grim Dawn originate?
Arthur: It’s a combination of various things. I started out thinking I was going to major in biology, but then I ended up getting derailed. I left my junior year of college to go work for this game company called Stainless Steel, that made the game Empire Earth. I ended up going back and finishing my degree but I ended up getting a degree in ancient history, which I always loved. By the end of college I came to the conclusion that I was going to end up with a career in game development so I figured it just mattered that I finished a degree. Ancient history and mythology has always influenced my and I have read HP Lovecraft, I love his work with gothic horror. Also over the years I always wanted to write a book so I have been building different fictional worlds. When it came time to work on Grim Dawn I started pulling these different places and tried to fuse something together into something cohesive that would feel distinct and compelling for people.
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Herobyclicking: Why choose to make another ARPG?
Arthur: It was a marriage of interest and convenience. I have always loved ARPGs and had some experience building them with Titan Quest. That gave me some confidence when I started this project. Ultimately it was shaped out of a deal I was able to work out with the owners of Iron Lore for Titan Quest’s code base. That had had essentially been set up already to create an ARPG. That would allow us to produce something without a lot of initial investment. At the same time, the genre was wide open, there had been only a handful of ARPG releases prior to Titan Quest and up until Torchlight I don’t think anything had followed it. I looked at the environment and thought that since Titan Quest went on to do very well. Initially however, due to internal politics and complications, largely because a new Vice President had come into THQ and decided that PC was dead, a lot of our marketing never materialized in North America. However in Europe it did, it actually outsold the North America 4 to 1. Because of that the reps from THQ anticipated that sales were just going to trail off into nothing and that the game would lose all support. The game plateaued and just kept going, even up until 2010 where it had a spike on Steam. Last I had heard it sold over one million copies and THQ had made a profit. There is an audience who wants another Titan Quest, another ARPG. There were no ARPG coming out. I thought we could get the code base and we could put together something small and rough, but there is not a lot of competition and I think people want this. I hoped we could get some money to do this and make it happen. But that’s really not how it happened. The market is quite competitive now and it is part of the reason that development for Grim Dawn has been going on.
Our initial plan had been relatively modest. By the time Torchlight had come out, I thought, well, we could bump things up a little bit. Then Diablo 3 came out and then Path of Exiles came out of nowhere and that’s free to play and that’s difficult to compete with. Then there has been a slew of other ARPGs; Van Helsing, Victor Vran, Sacred 3. It was unbelievable. I don’t think there has ever been more ARPGs on the market. The Kickstarter was an attempt to boost up what we were doing. Diablo 3 was coming and my initial fears were “ oh my god, it’s going to be everything in Diablo 2, but better. We aren’t going to be able to compete with it.” While I think Diablo 3 is a great game in it’s own regard, they diverged a lot from Diablo 2 and it leaves us with some opportunity to differentiate what we are doing. Nonetheless it is larger scope offering so we had to keep increasing our efforts. Part of the reason it has taken a while (to release the game) not only have we have added on to the game and gone back and looked at some of the crude of early development. In the very beginning I was creating art assets, I am designer. I don’t have any art training, I can’t say I make the best 3D assets. We went back and replaced a lot of those things. We added more things to the game to make it more interesting experience for our audience. As nervous as I was a few years, I think we have created an experience that stands on its own and offers something different for fans of the genre.
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The atmosphere looks amazing from the pictures I've seen. I think the developers did an awesome job with capturing vastly different styles of atmosphere such as the two shown in the pictures above. Although Arthur says he hasn't had any training in art, he did a great job with both character models and scenery.
I was one of the initial KS backers, and I have to say that Grim Dawn is what Diablo 3 should have been in many ways. In fact, it was my disappointment with D3 that led me to find Grim Dawn.
Nice read
Great interview. I'm hooked, going to read part 2 right away!
I'm glad Kickstarter has been a useful tool to help get these games made. Really interested in checking Grim Dawn out.