Don't Pre-order Until Dawn Just Yet

Wait before pre-ordering Until Dawn. It's the smart thing to do.

[Walker]

I just pre-ordered this game and i believe its going to be the most unique experience this year just like Quantic Dream's titles

[Eddie20101]

If you want to pre order a game pre order it. People telling other people not to pre order based on nothing is stupid.

[Bigpappy]

Agreed. Don't get people telling others how to spend their money. Because he has an issue with the game or pre-orders in general, doesn't put him in charge of other people's choices.

I refuse to go to the site to read his point based on the headline.

[crazychris4124]

Cant pre order anything these days. Even games with multiple delays like Project Cars and Witcher 3 have experienced some major bugs and performance issues at launch. Just Cause 3 with its physics based destruction is my most anticipated game this year and Im nervous about pre ordering that too. Been let down so many times that I cant get as excited about new games and going to pre order like I used to cuz I know major problems are almost inevitable. Cities Skylines was the only game this year (bought 2 games so far) that had very minor problems that didnt hurt the game at all. I'll just let everyone else be the guinea pigs this time cuz I'm tired of being a beta tester for fully released games.

[Thatguy-310]

Are you really trying to compare open world games to this? Those games were bound to have a few problems because of their scope and what they aim for. This game just has to have an intriguing narrative that will invest the player in which at the end of the day will be subjective.

[crazychris4124]

Its not just open world games. Driveclub, Project Cars, Halo MCC, COD AW, BF4, and many more over recent years have had major launch issues. Nothing wrong with waiting it out and letting other people test it out before you drop $60.

[jb227]

I'd say the amount of branching paths in Until Dawn could be pretty taxing on resources as well, and seems to me from prerelease that the amount of content would be on par w/ open worlds, especially through multiple playthroughs. Bugs are bugs at the end of the day, the open world nature is no real excuse, most of Rockstars output typically comes off w/o a hitch on every single release. Devs should never ship a game w/ frequent game breaking bugs, I don't care what they are shooting for. Do you not criticize a singer for screwing up while trying to sing in a key & timbre that's out of their range? I'm all for pushing your boundaries but mistakes are mistakes, and the quality of open world titles is exactly as subjective as the quality of any game in any genre. Open worlds have been done a thousand times over, but games w/ pathways as far reaching as this one is a whole helluva lot more rare, and if anything that's a much bigger scope & a harder target than just another open world title

[_-EDMIX-_]

Depends on the game, "these days" games have always had issues, not game just launches perfect, hell I'll take a patch fixing it vs back in the day when your stuck with a broken game for life lol. I buy many games knowing they will need to get patched, its life, it happens.

Got GTAV day one on PS3, needed a patch weeks later, for issues I didn't even know about. Getting SW BF day 1, will it need patches? Sure...but I go into it very much knowing that. Even the very best games, by the very best teams will still need to be patched to fix performance, performance is not perfect day 1.....its perfected over time, hell TF2 is STILL being patched til this day and I love the publisher and team for that, Red Dead got patched legit like a year ago for an online issue lol. It happens and I'd rather have a bunch a fixes then a bunch of issues for LIFE that never get fixed.

Its merely the nature of gaming. They will get patched and any piece of software will get patched and will be better day 750 vs day 1.

This can be said about ANY piece of software, don't buy it day 1 if you don't want bugs. No team is perfect.

Even Smash and Mario Kart got patches soon after release. Am I mad? HELL NO! Brawl for the Wii got ZERO and the game's online is literally unplayable as it has a constant delay that makes the game unplayable at almost any game level.

We can sit here and say "these days" all "days" but the reality is, where were you last gen? Did you not know Motorstorm was patched? GT5 patched? GT6 patched? Every Halo got PATCHED not too long after release, Witcher 1 and 2 got patched too. I'm sorry but this isn't some huge discovery, its in the nature of gaming.

What do you suggest? Delay the game for years and years? (again, TF2 still getting patched, Red Dead got patched a year ago, 4 years after its release)

Again don't buy day one, thats not based on "these days" thats based on every gen. Hell, like I stated, you could be dealing with a situation like on the Wii with NO PATCHES to fix games....at all....for LIFE! I buy day 1 on certain titles because I choose to. You'll be playing a better version later on like many others, but hell...someone will be playing a BETTER version then you if they wait 4 years after release lol! How patched do you want a game?

Hell, I'm getting Fallout 4 DAY 1 even with the history of the team and its buggy games. I mean...you can wait till its $3, 6 years later and has "less" bugs if you like though.... With that logic...why even play anything this gen? Just help yourself to those last gen games that are patched to perfection lolz.

[Rookie_Monster]

Nothing is a sure thing these days like The Orders 1886. $60 for a single player interactive style game really needs to be legendary to worth my money.

[EvilWay]

If you have a problem with the order, this will be the same. Quantic Dream makes interactive movies. Heavy Rain was good but I paid $9 for it and that is about all it's worth in my opinion. The games have great story lines but no gameplay, unless you include pressing a button prompt gameplay

[TricksterArrow]

You just defined gameplay: button prompts.

[johndoe11211]

And yet The walking dead is on many a GOTY lists. The hypocrisy is real.

[Baka-akaB]

It is not a quantic dream game , even if it seems to follow its formula . And Heavy Rain as a gameplay besides button presses . The choices are part of its gameplay , just like it is for stuff like Walking Dead and GoT .

You dont have to like it , but let's not pretend it's as linear an experience as the mentioned The Order 1886 , at least .

[-Foxtrot]

I feel like it's going to get the same criticism directed at it like Heavy Rain did...YET once again it will be the same stuff they praise TellTale games for.

Heavy Rain - Criticised

Walking Dead - GOTY

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[Heyxyz]

Yep, I've told people this for years, and when I do everyone thinks I'm the crazy one....

[Baka-akaB]

Well to be fair , amidst the trolls , Heavy Rain was still a massive success .

WD and telltales stuff get away with it , because it's apparently cheap with its episodic system (wich in fact ends up costing a bit with seasons and all) and because it feature many more choices than HR , and a plotline defined by your choices lasting multiple episodes , seasons even .

So yes it's doing the same thing , but at a bigger scope . Even if double standards abounds

[-Foxtrot]

Thing is at least Heavy Rain was original

TellTale gets all their success and head starts with reviews because of the huge franchise they base their games off

Walking Dead
Game of Thrones
Minecraft
Back to the Future
Wolf Among Us (decent cult following)
Jurassic Park
Borderlands

etc

[_-EDMIX-_]

@Fox- I wouldn't say all that. Walking Dead isn't really even about...well the Walking Dead IP, only 2 characters from the book are on the first game and only briefly and don't really have much to do with teh over all concept.

It might have gotten marketing based on being the Walking Dead in terms of IP branding, but it legit has nothing to do with The Walking Dead and I've read all the books and watched the whole show.....played BOTH Seasons and 400 days and can legit tell you, it has almost nothing to do with The Walking Dead as an IP other then name, zombies....thats it.

Thats like having a Vampire game with the Buffy name and Buffy isn't in it and one of her friends shows up for less then a scene and we attribute its success due to Buffy lol.

Walking Dead is a great game based on TellTale being a great team. ie as to why that other Walking Dead game failed, give credit where its due, folks don't just praise a game and say its GOTY JUST based on IP, that is not only silly, it makes very little sense.

Every Star Wars game isn't great, every Transformer game...isn't great, ie every Walking Dead game isn't great.

TellTale clearly did something based on actually creating a great game. The praise is very much deserved, they could have made an IP with JUST zombies and called it something else and I assure you, I would have still praised it. I often even forget its about the Walking Dead as in my mind, the IPs are not even the same. They merely share the same name.

[Rookie_Monster]

Heavy rain scores a 87 in Metacritics of over 100 reviews. What are you talking about? The criticism is mostly about the one and done nature of a $60 single player interactive game as oppose to the episodic nature of a similar game thy is $5 per episode or $25 for a full season of TWD. I. It is not about how good the game is but value. I played Heavy Rain and fully enjoyed it but I didn't buy it but rented it because I don't think it is worth $60 or even $40 for that matter. Many people feel the same way. Of course there will be trolls on both sides but don't judge a few bad aple from the rest of the fruits on the tree. That is the bottom line.

Edit johndoe below:

Hey, I am just following the creator, David Cage's advice of playing it once and done with it.

David Cage:"I would like people to play it once … because that’s life. Life you can only play once … I would like people to have this experience that way"

Hey, if you want to go against the creator of the game's advice, that is your choice. :D

[johndoe11211]

The fact that you said heavy rain is a one and done game shows you never played it or know anything about it so you have ZERO credibility when criticizing that game. that game has over 20 different endings and countless decisions that drastically change the story and direction. So you can keep that one and done nonsensical statement.

Edit:
"Hey, I am just following the creator, David Cage's advice of playing it once and done with it.

David Cage:"I would like people to play it once … because that’s life. Life you can only play once … I would like people to have this experience that way"

Hey, if you want to go against the creator of the game's advice, that is your choice. :D"

If nothing else proves that you are full of it and never played that game it is this. You just read a couple negative user reviews and a random comment by the game creator and came here pretending to have played the game.

[lemoncake]

Telltale are very clever with their pricing.

[BitbyDeath]

Until Dawn is also said to be a much bigger game than Heavy Rain.
It is said to have hundreds of endings and thousands of choices in the game.

http://www.playstationlifes...

HR had around 20 endings.

[TricksterArrow]

Since all characters can either be saved or killed and they all most likely have their own solo ending as well as an ending with each one of the remaining survivors, there's already A LOT of room for replay value.

[rainslacker]

My only hope is that the different endings aren't just brief changes to the main ending. I hate replaying games just to see what amounts to 1 scene which amounts to 1 minute of time.

[generic-user-name]

It's a Sony exclusive so it's automatically going to have a huge portion of online dwellers hating on it.

Even when it's a game like Bloodborne, with universal critical acclaim, they'll tell you it's the worst of all the soul's games, they'll focus on the pre-patch loading times, that combat is too fast or that it's too easy etc etc.

[johndoe11211]

Here's my problem with this article, and it's a HUGE one. This author is telling people to not pre order this game, even though he found it to be interesting and entertaining, because he thinks it will have limited replay value because of the type of game it is. He is telling people to wait until it hits the bargain bin then to get it.

Now, does anyone see something severely wrong with his line of thinking? He's telling people to not reward a company that takes its time to make an entertaining and worthwhile game, no, instead let a few people buy it, play it, turn it in so then you can get it, cause the company to loose your sale and eventually cause the game to flop and the company loose millions and maybe even end up out of business.

In other words, the reward for a company that tries to do something different and make a good game is to be put out of business by gamers. Then this same guy will be writing in the next couple months why we NEED to buy the buggy, redundant and drawn out messes that are COD, assassins creed and battlefield.

Sometimes it hurts to be a gamer.

[LostDjinn]

It's a she, but yeah.
Last week she did a piece on why preorders are okay. Seems a little weird wouldn't you say.

[johndoe11211]

Hence the reason "gaming journalists" are the joke of the journalist industry.

[Baka-akaB]

Yeah it's a malicious article . For starters no if you play HR only once or even twice , unless you use savestates according to faqs and guide , you wont see and experience everything .

And the people looking forward to those sort of adventure games , DO look forward to that , experiencing the choices , and not just for multiple endings and trophies

[johndoe11211]

Heavy rain has more than 20 different endings, so that alone should show the variety of choices in that game. If she states that heavy rain has little replayability then I have no respect or care for her opinion as a gamer.

[Baka-akaB]

Well that exactly what she did when she mentioned Heavy Rain . Of course like most cautious writers , she initially praises it , then proceed with that argument .

And even enter some irrelevant tangent about how quickly those games (and other solo and/or short gaming experiences ) come back used and loses value at retail .

Personally i dont care , if it's true ... but if that's the sort of things people focus upon , under the ridiculous veil of "hey games cost alot" , well it's sad ... that's how games like Vanquish die . But i guess more power to them ...

[pompombrum]

Generally speaking, it's best not to pre-order anyway. You just know that these publishers are carefully monitoring pre-order stats to the amount of information they drip feed us to see just how much they can get away with.

Having said that though, Until Dawn is my sort of game and I'm 99% likely to be buying it day one. Maybe it will be shorter than most games on a single play-through however I'd rather play something that's short and sweet than 15+ hours of dull filler to pad out the experience.

[Sora_1994]

I find this odd first it was the order now it's until dawn with the don't pre order crap...where's the don't pre order assassin's creed? Halo5, battlefield 5?/battlefront? What a joke

[johndoe11211]

No, we NEED to preorder those broken, buggy waste of time games. The same games we play year after year with just a new coat of paint. That's what we need to keep buying. Those are the devs we need to keep making rich. The ones with ZERO innovation and care for their consumer base.

[Germany7]

It's funny how some developers get a free pass from the gaming media. You can't trust these people at all, "professional" reviews mean nothing nowadays.

[Kingdomcome247]

To be fair, I've seen a number of,"Why you shouldn't pre order Halo 5 articles."

[Spotie]

These stupid articles make me want to preorder every game ever, just for spite.

[IamTylerDurden1]

This is a disgusting and disturbing article with obvious motives and serious bias. Who tells ppl not to preorder? "Don't support the developer and even though the game seems good wait for bargain bin so the sales numbers are less and it hurts Sony and puts the dev out of business". Classy stuff lady. Don't tell ppl how to spend their $, i have no problem spending full price and supporting a developer who deserves the support - in fact i enjoy supporting worthy devs and never buy used on games that are worth it. Heavy Rain is worth every penny at full price and is very replayable, anyone that says otherwise has never played it. I really enjoy cinematic experiences with branching choices and multiple endings, of course they are replayable hence the abundance of different choices,outcomes, & endings. Also, i can't dedicate 100hrs to every game like fallout or dragon age i actually enjoyed The order 1886 and don't have any regrets fo buying the LE.

[Germany7]

Pre-ordered it now. ^^

[NeverHeavyMan]

Sorry, it was pre-ordered long ago (and certainly much earlier than this article's submission).

It's that the article is all bad, but these pieces telling people what to/what not to pre-order have already outstayed their welcome, in my eyes.

[IamTylerDurden1]

This article just convinced me that i should preorder Until Dawn and she said "it was really good" and compared it to Heavy Rain. Better not preorder The Uncharted Collection on PS4 either right? I personally enjoy the preorder bonuses and midnight releases and knowing my copy is guaranteed to be there day one. There is nothing quite like Until Dawn on console and i love horror and this is like being inside a horror movie and i love it.

[fad632]

I'll buy this game, day one more than likely, for the soul reason I want an experience.

Unlike most (at a guess) I'll buy it an probably play it through once, just like I did with Heavy Rain, Just like I did with Beyond: Two Souls and Just Like I did with the walking dead... and here's my reason why:

I like a story, to play through a game and at the end have a tale to tell. Games that offer multiple plays are great but for me the story I make the first time around is what I want to remember, that is my experience... I don't want to look back at any of the games I mentioned and have blurred lines of what my story was.

At the end of the day if I end up wasting my money by not getting the full experience then at least its my money to waste and at least I'll have a story to remember and tell.

To tell someone how to spend there money is ridiculous, I go to gaming websites to get the latest news, not to be told how to invest my time and hard earned cash... after all I have a girlfriend whos more than willing to tell me how I should be doing that!

[tigertron]

I'm just about to pre-order it. If the bad reviews hit or if I feel something is a miss, I'll just cancel my pre-order. I've done it with other games.

[Valenka]

I honestly found nothing about that article convincing at all. I originally heard of Until Dawn in 2012 and have been waiting patiently since. I know for a fact I'm going to enjoy it and I know for a fact that I will personally feel like it was worth the money and I will replay it more than once.

How am I so certain? Because it reminds me of Heavy Rain and Heavy Rain was a game my friends and family begged me to stop talking about, because I wouldn't shut up about how much I loved it.

People need to stop acting like preorders are final. If you preorder Until Dawn and decide you don't want it, cancel your preorder. Of course, digital preorders are final once the game launches, but that's beside the point, since anything digital means you're stuck with it regardless.

People should know by now what genres they enjoy and whether or not something is worth giving a chance in their eyes. If Until Dawn appeals to you, but the genre and gameplay mechanics are different from what you're used to, wait a bit and rent the game or pick up a used copy and give it a try.