In Space We Brawl Initially Ran at 680 FPS on PS4; “Maybe it’s Too Powerful”

In Space We Brawl developer explains how the PS4 was a tad too powerful for his game.

[Neonridr]

That's it, 1080p/680fps standard.

you heard it here first.. ;)

[CARROT180994]

they should have made it 4k/60fps, a lot of these indies could run at 4k on next gen

[one2thr]

I remember reading something that Trine 2 can be played at native 4k resolution, but that was some time ago when I seen that comment/article.

[lameguy]

They can't. Both Xbox One and PS4 only have HDMI 1.4 out - not 2.0 (for 60fps)

So right now, with the current hardware iteration, which will change as new models show up most likely, both will be limited to 4k/30fps. Also, 4k 3D isn't supported with version 1.4 either I think.

[Outthink_The_Room]

I think this was mentioned at the reveal, but PS4 doesn't output a native rendered 4K image, aside from playback.

I can't find the exact article, but Cerny said something like 4K isn't really what this generation was built for, so they decided against 4K native rendering capabilities.

Maybe PS4 could upscale to 4K on the software side, but from what I remember, it won't be native.

::edit:: Found the link http://ps4daily.com/2013/04...

[XanderZane]

It could probably run on the SNES at 120fps. Sounds like it's just a weak 2D shooter. They should have. The XB1 can output at 4K. It's HDMI cable is 4K ready. I think the it's the same with the PS4 as well. Once you're over 60fps anyways, the eyes can't tell the difference.

[mikeslemonade]

I don't understand how in theory 680 frames would make it unplayable. Try using a 600hz TV maybe??

Real life is infinite frames and it's not unplayable lol

As long as you got a screen that match the frames then it's fine.

[pyroxxx]

no one has the tv big enough where 4K would make sense,..

[bmf7364]

@lameguy

HDMI was something Microsoft didn't implement until later in the Xbox 360's lifecycle, and PS3 never had HDMI in the 20GB launch model. People haven't generally complained about Xbox though like that because they kept breaking anyway.

[mark3214uk]

i think they both support HDMI 2.0 xbone shipped with 1, and i have a hdmi 2.0 in ps4 now but the ps4 does not have the software on there to enable upscaling, they said (i think) that both consoles with support 4k for movies ect just not gaming

[Guwapo77]

PyroXXX - you comment doesn't make sense.

[Sandy_Claws]

mikeslemonade - lol what? 600hz TVs don't exist. The fastest ones are 240, and most of those are still truly 60hz but with interpolation and frame smoothing.

And please don't say Plasma. 600HZ Plasma is NOT its refresh rate and not the same.

[UltraNova]

Putting aside HDMI's limitations thats a "Unlimited Framerate" box I would surely like to tick on a game that could run at 6_wtf!!!_80 FPS !!!!

[Perjoss]

"no one has the tv big enough where 4K would make sense,.."

I do, and I'd be very surprised if I was the only one :P

[Jaqen_Hghar]

lol a man wouldn't have the TV for anything above 60 frames or 1080p anyway so it may just make him depressed he couldn't see the game for what it was. It would be like playing Uncharted on a CRT TV

[DarXyde]

@mikeslemonade

Real life is not "unlimited frames". How does that even make sense? "Frames" are literally limited by human sensation (input) and perception (output). We can perceive a lot, but only under artificial settings that don't resemble reality at all.

Try waving your hand in front of your face and notice the afterimage it leaves. That's not unlimited. Not even 60fps.

[UltraNova]

@DarXyde

Its not that we can perceive anything faster than 60fps man, its knowing that your system can actually achieve very high framerates thats enticing (to that minority at least which I belong too). Thats why ultra high end PC gaming will always be overkill, especially when 4K 60+FPS becomes somewhat standard for the power userbase.

[uth11]

I hope not, it's hard enough to count pixels when they bump it up to 60fps, how the hell are we supposed to count them at 680??

[Clunkyd]

Over 60fps is just too much for me. It feels like im moving a camera at high speed, which ruins the gameplay. 50-60 FPS is the sweet spot

[starchild]

Hahaha I bet you have never played a game at 120fps. It only makes things better. Controller response is excellent and the clarity of the image while in motion is on a whole different level. 60fps is great, but 120fps is a lot better.

And 50 to 60fps is the sweet spot? That's ridiculous. Variable framerates like that result in stutter, which is very undesirable. Even if you locked at 50fps it would still produce judder on a typical 60Hz or 120Hz display because 50fps doesn't divide evenly into those refresh rates, therefor the frame cadence will be irregular.

On a 60Hz display a solid 60fps is the best. A solid 30fps is the next best.

[Clunkyd]

Not everybody likes what you like. I've played games up to 90 fps. I feel motion sickness with frames that high.

BTW, Look at all the butthurt PC gamers X'D

[yezz]

@Clunkyd

I'm a console gamer who plays most games with 30fps but even I know that higher the frame rate, the better..

You get motion sickness from a SMOOTHER picture?? That doesn't even make any sense. If anything, it should be the other way around.. Maybe you're sitting too close to the screen or something¿

[tee_bag242]

Just stop digging. Starchild told it like it is so you should start learning rather than being so defensive. Less FPS gives motion sickness, not higher FPS. It's not a matter of opinion either, it simply a fact.

[Why o why]

Starchild is right but some graphics engines can invoke motion sickness is some people. It wasn't down to the fps. No increase in fos would of stopped that.

[SPAM-FRITTER-123]

Dualshocker comment's make N4G seem like heaven.

[Future_2015]

What is in space we brawl? never heard of it. If any of you delusional people think that a ps4 can do 4K games you have another thing coming

[DanteVFenris666]

"Face palm" you've never seen the game so it's funny you say that. Think of it like a nes game. Yes if the ps4 had 4 k it deffinatley could with it's power to make a ness game 4k. Like seriously maybe you should have seen the game first...

[ABizzel1]

@Future_2015

The only reason PS4 can't do 4k is because of the HDMI 1.4 limitation, it has been said multiple times that some developers could get their games running in 4k on the PS4 if they wanted / could.

[purpleblau]

this is kinda a lame selling point. I'm pretty sure if you write a DOS quality game and try to run on a PS4 it'll give you more than 680fps. Pointless article anyway.

[frezhblunts]

But its not, a lot of games aren't hitting those numbers constantly

[Neonridr]

lol, clearly you didn't read my comment closer..

I said 1080p / 680 FPS (not 60).

It was a joke to relate to the FPS numbers the game was hitting when they first ran it.

[Kribwalker]

With a meta score like this you'd think they'd try to make a decent game instead of tryin to max out FPS. 58 meta score....ewww

http://www.metacritic.com/g...

[Snookies12]

Hey, 680 FPS is the future of gaming... Lol, honestly, I'm fine anywhere above 30 for most games. 40-60 is the sweet spot, when it starts going over that it's a little too smooth. I dunno how to describe it really, it just kinda feels odd to me.

[Neonridr]

it's like watching movies on newer TV's that have like 240Hz refresh rate. Those fancy post-processing effects that interpolate the image by adding in extra frames can create an awkward experience when watching stuff. It gives it a sort of "sped up" look to it. The soap opera effect is what it is commonly referred to. I would imagine that gaming could suffer from that same effect if the FPS were too high.

[starchild]

That's because those TVs are adding extra frames that aren't in the source material. As you mentioned, they use interpolation to guess what the extra frames would be and this results in an unnatural look.

Games and movies/video are very different. I have never felt that games at a high framerate feel unnatural. Quite the opposite actually; the animation and camera movement becomes more natural and believable.

It might feel odd at first for those that have spent their entire lives playing console games, but once you get used to the lack of blur and the smoother motion you realize that it actually approximates real life more closely and thus feels more natural.

Human perceptivity varies from person to person, but most evidence supports the idea that most people can perceive progressively smoother motion well beyond 200fps. I can easily appreciate the difference between 60fps and 120fps, but I've never had the chance to really compare framerates above that.

[GarrusVakarian]

In my experience, you get used to it, then end up preferring it. I remember seeing my friend play Skyrim on his PC at 60fps after playing it for hundreds of hours on the 360 at 30fps and I thought it looked 'fake' and way too smooth.

I'm fine with a solid 30fps, like in Forza Horizon 2, but I'd choose 60fps every time if I had the choice.

[Neonridr]

yeah, I was more or less referring to say something like 120FPS.

[BenRage3]

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. I remember playing Skyrim on the PS3 for hours upon hours and I kept thinking how much I was missing out in higher resolution and frame rate. After buying the PC version, I wouldn't even go back to the console version.

60fps makes all the difference. Too smooth? Bullocks. It far more realistic with a higher frame rate.

[bouzebbal]

killzone: SF and FIFA feel very odd to me at 60fps. i know what you feel.

[GarrusVakarian]

Play Fifa for an hour, then go back and try the last-gen versions. You'll more than likely go running back to the current-gen version.

[bouzebbal]

@Lukas_Japonicus:
yeah man, i regret my purchase. i hope there is someone ready to trade in with PES2015 :/

[dcj0524]

200FPS is the most I can go until I stop noticing changes. So silky smooth

[xTheMercenary_]

@lets_go yeah their is, if you could find a monitor that is 200hz, then that monitor would display 200fps if your machine is capable. Well i know i've seen 200hz monitors.

[Guwapo77]

Plasma TVs were at 600hz.

https://www.youtube.com/wat...

[Sandy_Claws]

Guwapo - no, they aren't. That's not the same. It's just a number that manufacturers advertise, but it's not a true 600hz refresh rate.

[JP1369]

Technically, 30 and 60 are the sweet spots, as anything in between opens you up to screen tearing or judder.

[Patrick_pk44]

It feels odd for console owners, but everyone adjusts to it easily. Games are suppose to be smooth, anything below 60fps is terrible to play.

[TWB]

Why though ?

Ratchet and Clank series, Jak n Daxter series and Dragonball Z Budokai series are the first 3 series that come to my mind and are 60 FPS. I dont know about the spinoffs but all the main games were 60 FPS.

Before that many NES games (and I suppose SNES games too) were 60 FPS too so I dont see how its suddenly a new thing to the console crowd.

[Hellsvacancy]

"While you’ll be able to watch the full interview quite soon"

So you thought you'll squeeze another article out of it, knowing that the title alone will draw the crowds in

[Dudebro90]

Gotta get those clicks somehow.

Add em to you're ad block.

[MegaRay]

Haha. Why dualshockers get so much hate? That website isnt that bad

[Angeljuice]

It actually has a much better standard of journalism than most sites. Definitely one of the better ones. Plus Abriael's spelling and grammar puts a lot of native English speakers' to shame.

[spacedelete]

they already have your click as you entered the article giving them hits.

[GarrusVakarian]

I don't get this hate towards Abriael and his article habits. So what if he's squeezing another article out of it? It literally harms no one, and he makes his living from this.

I'm sure that all the people who bitch and moan about what he does would do it the exact same way if they worked for a gaming site and it was how they earned a living.

Seriously, ask yourself, why does it offend you?

[Hellsvacancy]

I didn't say it offended me, I just pointed out an obvious fact, what's wrong with wanting to read the entire interview?

Are we now to expect more of these "teaser" type articles? maybe future interviews should be episodic

[TheWatercooler]

It is the most powerful console in the world!

[Hanuman]

Here we go again.. http://rs1img.memecdn.com/m...

[scark92]

I feel like as the PS4 and Xbox are fighting, the PC is trying to gain their attention rather to show its power than laugh at the 'war' xD
well from reading the PS4 V Xbox comments you see lol

[Software_Lover]

Why is the heat going up on this?

[TheTwelve]

Hilarious. FPS for days...and to spare.

[uth11]

Downgrade confirmed

[Scatpants]

This is bullsh!t if it's not at least 800 fps I'm boycotting it.

[OMGitzThatGuy]

When the game looks like it uses flash sprites of course it will run at ridiculously high frame rates.

[BeefCurtains]

Wait... What? I feel like my head is going to explode.... Ps4 is too powerful to play this game? So like, current Gen consoles can't play 2d games, or pong, or old school Street fighter? That's weird... Also, what's the fastest commercially available refresh rate on a TV, maybe 240Hz? So at most, you'd only see 240 FPS no matter how fast the game plays. So on a TV with 60 HZ (which is very common) you would only see 60 FPS anyways.

Or am I totally wrong here? Something about this article is screaming *click bait* to me. Please educate me!

[garrettbobbyferguson]

No, the developer is saying words that mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. The Playstation 4 isn't too powerful. If that was the case, when I was getting 500+ FPS on minecraft my computer would be too powerful to run that. Which makes no bloody sense.

[Coach_McGuirk]

ever heard of vsync?

[Whirlwind_Fanfare_08]

WTF? 680fps? is this 4 real?

[Software_Lover]

This is f'n ridiculous. Why did this gain heat so fast and how in the hell is this to news?

[Spotie]

What does it matter to you, anyway?

[Silly gameAr]

A lot of articles gain heat fast out of nowhere. Sucks that it's this one that bothered you so much.

[xtheblackparade]

Lol you can't even see the diffrence between 60 fps and 600 lol.

[DoomeDx]

Actually.. You can see a difference between 60FPS and 120 FPS if you have a 120hz monitor

[Sy_Wolf]

It's not a demanding game in terms of hardware, of course it ran at stupid framerstes.

[Hold_It]

170fps X PS4 = 680FPS

[ATi_Elite]

As is ps4 and xb1 can Not render 4k video game output but can only playback 4k media. Both have the vram but both lack the gpu power to render a game at 1080p X 4 to get 4k detail.

GGranted both desktop versions of their gpu are capable one more than the other but we are talking total system watts of 150 where as the desktop version erosion would use 175 just for the gpu itself.

Buh buh but it's an APU ok I know therefore a lower TDP because you have so many transistors on a small die.

Plus it's some low grade graphical wise indie title with virtually no current post processing or lighting effects

Adding ssao lighting and Depth of Field would bring those framerates down a ton

[mysteryraz11]

Ps4 could run certain games in 4k , sure not demanding super graphical games, 4k gaming is far too expensive right now you would talking over 1000 dollars easily

[larrysdirtydrawss]

xone is at 900p and 60fps

[Father__Merrin]

4K = Rubbish gaming....

£400 on a monitor or £600 on a TV just to play a game? oh and add a £300 graphics card lol

[Mithan]

No doubt the original pacman runs well too.

[Kayant]

Sorry I need this in DBZ power levels I only understand that :p

[MultiConsoleGamer]

Looks like a really fun game.

[beereal360]

It's so powerful that it runs drive club flawlessly. Lmao

[IWentBrokeForGaming]

When your console can display games in the native resolution aka industry standard of 1080p... Can you talk about actually owning a next gen console!

[Sandy_Claws]

WentBroke - That reply would ALMOST be clever, if Forza Horizon 2 didn't come out at the same time at the same native 1080P resolution and same fps, with graphics that are just as good (considering the open world, and a little more colorful) and with a perfectly functioning multiplayer component. Not only that, but photo mode, weather, and replays are in the game DAY ONE.

One console plays indies, multiplats, and boring/broken exclusives, often in a higher rez. The other one is bringing the fun and the variety. A perfectly functioning kind of variety :)

[filchron]

next gen nintendo power= 4K3DVR at 100fps. we gotta dream people.

[Tapani]

Am I the only one who thinks that 30fps is actually better because of it's cinematic and dramatic effect?

The reason movies are at 24fps is that it's the tested sweet spot for the eyes to perceive a dramatic, cinematic effect. Everyone knows how The Hobbit looked with 48fps, not very cinematic or pleasing to the audience.

Sure, The Last of Us Remaster was nice at 60fps, but I felt that the game was designed to be 30fps to begin with. Would have appreciated if it actually had received a similar treatment as GTA V did. Also, the same goes for the Master Chief Collections games. I feel the dramatic effect of enemies plunge on the back when you shoot them is reduced with the new FPS. Multiplayer is another story, though.

Because of this talk about controller responsiveness and 1080p/60fps, developers are changing the games' gameplay drastically with the 30fps ---> 60fps change. Don't get me wrong, I get the idea that the responsiveness is technically and in real life better, but I just feel it's not meant for all games. Sure, Bayonetta, fighting games, some racing games or even FPS Multiplayer is good for 60fps.

I hope the standard would be 1080p/30fps or 900p/30fps for single-player AAA games. For example, I'd love to see what PS4 could do with Uncharted 4, 900p/30fps compared to 1080p/60fps.

I know I'm going to get disagrees for this... But it's my opinion.